Game of Thrones on HBO: non-book thread (2 Viewers)

[jamny]

Obviously this was another setup episode since there are so many characters. Kind of a part two to the season premiere. Still loved it! The acting continues to be top-notch.

Did we see Catelyn's father die?

They do a great job of making Jaime sounds just like Tyrion in his comments. Great banter between him and Brienne. "I would have noticed your dour head smacking into the archways." Although it was pretty obvious that not killing the old man would turn out to be a mistake.

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

Loved the scene with Sansa, Margery and the old lady (didn't realize it was Diana Rigg) Still not sure if she did the right thing in admitting her true feelings.

And of course the scene with Joffrey and Margery. That kid is such a phenomenal actor. I really got a sense of his nervousness around Margery until she skillfully eased his fears and how he became at ease as he showed her his new toy. Great to see Natalie Dormer get some recognition. Any fans should definitely check out some of her more revealing scenes in The Tudors. She played the same manipulative ##### in Anne Boleyn.

And didn't Joffrey wind up with flowers all over his coat at the end of that scene.

The book readers say this will be the best season yet. Everything seems to be set up so I hope the action kicks in soon but even so it's been a great start.

 

[Slider6]

The book readers say this will be the best season yet. Everything seems to be set up so I hope the action kicks in soon but even so it's been a great start.

The 3rd book is my favorite so far and I've heard they are splitting it over two seasons. I expect this season to be the best so far and next season to surpass it.

 

[TenTimes]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Everyone alive or dead? Robert Baratheon. Anyone still living? Between Brienne and Selmy.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Jaime or barriston. Even now I cut thru you five like cutting a cake.Best move I ever saw.

 

[TenTimes]

How about both? Living tournament and all-time tournament.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

In their prime I am taking ned. Or barriston. Both seem to realize the point is to kil.

 

[Amused to Death]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Jaime or barriston. Even now I cut thru you five like cutting a cake.Best move I ever saw.

I would give Drogo a puncher's chance. Either of those guys would be heavily armored and wielding a heavy sword - Drogo would get three or four strike attempts to every one of theirs.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

Mothers do crazy #### to protect their children. They don't always make logical decisions in such cases. Emotion rules in the heat of the moment.

 

[culdeus]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

agree. Seems so far fetched.

Send someone with demands and find a starbucks out on the beltway to make the swap later.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

agree. Seems so far fetched.

Send someone with demands and find a starbucks out on the beltway to make the swap later.

I have to do a book interjection here because I think the show writers dropped the ball on this. Ignore if you want to, but there are no spoilers. In the book, Robb and Cat are made aware, via raven IIRC, that Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon. So Cat's state of mind at that point is even worse than the show, so that leads to what she does with Jaime and Brienne. She wants her daughters back with her at any cost. I'm not sure what the point is for the show to make it so explicit last season that Robb and Cat had no knowledge of what Theon "did" (remember that the made a point to show Theon having all ravens leaving Winterfell shot down so that word of the boys never got out).

 

[CBusAlex]

I thought the sword fight at the end was awesome. Sure, we knew neither was going to be seriously harmed. However, just seeing Kingslayer get a sword in his hand and his enjoyment of getting to fight again was a thrill. It's going to be a great combo now that they are a tag team. I doubt there is another pair in the realm that can beat them.

I liked that he was giving Brienne tips while he was fighting her. Dude just loves swordfighting as an art.

 

[CBusAlex]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Jaime or barriston. Even now I cut thru you five like cutting a cake.Best move I ever saw.

I would give Drogo a puncher's chance. Either of those guys would be heavily armored and wielding a heavy sword - Drogo would get three or four strike attempts to every one of theirs.

Drogo would have about the same chance as that one Dothraki who tried to take on Mormont in the first season. Which is to say, none.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Jaime or barriston. Even now I cut thru you five like cutting a cake.Best move I ever saw.

I would give Drogo a puncher's chance. Either of those guys would be heavily armored and wielding a heavy sword - Drogo would get three or four strike attempts to every one of theirs.

Love drogo but we have seen the results of similar skill level armor verus non armor fights.

 

[Amused to Death]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

agree. Seems so far fetched.

Send someone with demands and find a starbucks out on the beltway to make the swap later.

I have to do a book interjection here because I think the show writers dropped the ball on this. Ignore if you want to, but there are no spoilers. In the book, Robb and Cat are made aware, via raven IIRC, that Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon. So Cat's state of mind at that point is even worse than the show, so that leads to what she does with Jaime and Brienne. She wants her daughters back with her at any cost. I'm not sure what the point is for the show to make it so explicit last season that Robb and Cat had no knowledge of what Theon "did" (remember that the made a point to show Theon having all ravens leaving Winterfell shot down so that word of the boys never got out).

There certainly is more detail (and significant fundamental differences) in the book that I won't mention here. But for the purposes of the show I find the plot line a bit hokey. Especially since Cat barely knows Brienne. The whole expectation that Cersei (not to mention Joffery) would just hand over the girls because Cat graciously returned Jaime is a leap - even for a grieving mother. So many other ways she could have gone about it without leaving the Stark's position completely vulnerable. Even if they made it to KL, they would just hold the girls hostage until Robb surrendered. All my opinion and speculation, of course.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

How about both? Living tournament and all-time tournament.

I'm taking the little Mexican dude that taught Arya how to "dance".

 

[Evilgrin 72]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Jaime or barriston. Even now I cut thru you five like cutting a cake.Best move I ever saw.

I would give Drogo a puncher's chance. Either of those guys would be heavily armored and wielding a heavy sword - Drogo would get three or four strike attempts to every one of theirs.

Drogo would have about the same chance as that one Dothraki who tried to take on Mormont in the first season. Which is to say, none.

Come on, Drogo was no ordinary Dothraki. When one of his chief lieutenants beefed that he was taking orders from Dany, Drogo dismissed him with such casual ease, it was preposterous. I don't think Mormont would have wanted to tangle with Drogo.

 

[EYLive]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Everyone alive or dead? Robert Baratheon. Anyone still living? Between Brienne and Selmy.

Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer. In a swordfight, I'd take either Selmy or Jaime.

 

[Gr00vus]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

agree. Seems so far fetched.

Send someone with demands and find a starbucks out on the beltway to make the swap later.

I have to do a book interjection here because I think the show writers dropped the ball on this. Ignore if you want to, but there are no spoilers. In the book, Robb and Cat are made aware, via raven IIRC, that Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon. So Cat's state of mind at that point is even worse than the show, so that leads to what she does with Jaime and Brienne. She wants her daughters back with her at any cost. I'm not sure what the point is for the show to make it so explicit last season that Robb and Cat had no knowledge of what Theon "did" (remember that the made a point to show Theon having all ravens leaving Winterfell shot down so that word of the boys never got out).

There certainly is more detail (and significant fundamental differences) in the book that I won't mention here. But for the purposes of the show I find the plot line a bit hokey. Especially since Cat barely knows Brienne. The whole expectation that Cersei (not to mention Joffery) would just hand over the girls because Cat graciously returned Jaime is a leap - even for a grieving mother. So many other ways she could have gone about it without leaving the Stark's position completely vulnerable. Even if they made it to KL, they would just hold the girls hostage until Robb surrendered. All my opinion and speculation, of course.

I think that's basically the point though - she really screwed up/did something stupid, everybody in Robb's camp knows it and harbors some resentment for it, including Robb himself.

 

[Gr00vus]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Everyone alive or dead? Robert Baratheon. Anyone still living? Between Brienne and Selmy.

Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer. In a swordfight, I'd take either Selmy or Jaime.

The Cleganes are both bad ### too (as long as there's no fire around in Sandor's case).

 

[Evilgrin 72]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Everyone alive or dead? Robert Baratheon. Anyone still living? Between Brienne and Selmy.

Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer. In a swordfight, I'd take either Selmy or Jaime.

The Cleganes are both bad ### too (as long as there's no fire around in Sandor's case).

Yeah - as skilled as Jaime is, would he really be able to deal with The Mountain's brute force?

 

[Gr00vus]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Everyone alive or dead? Robert Baratheon. Anyone still living? Between Brienne and Selmy.

Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer. In a swordfight, I'd take either Selmy or Jaime.

The Cleganes are both bad ### too (as long as there's no fire around in Sandor's case).

Yeah - as skilled as Jaime is, would he really be able to deal with The Mountain's brute force?

Bronn needs to be in the discussion as well.

I think I'd take Bronn, Gregor or Jaime. In his prime, Selmy would have been my choice.

 

[Thunderlips]

One on one......Jamie or The Mountain.

Melee................ The Mountain or Thoros of Myr.

 

[EYLive]

Can we nominate Rhaegar Targaryen? He won some tournaments I think.

 

[Amused to Death]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

'There is only one god and his name is Death, and there is only one thing we say to Death: "Not today".' - Syrio Forel

 

[Christo]

This feels like a book discussion.

 

[Mile High]

So what is Margery and her mothers endgame here? They are smart enough to realize that riding the Joffery horse is most likely going to be a short ride and no one is going to set back and let Margery run things while a baby grows up to be a king.

 

[parrot]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

"I hadn't seen him in years, I don't even know how many. " She was talking about her father there.

 

[CBusAlex]

Come on, Drogo was no ordinary Dothraki. When one of his chief lieutenants beefed that he was taking orders from Dany, Drogo dismissed him with such casual ease, it was preposterous. I don't think Mormont would have wanted to tangle with Drogo.

Yeah, but the bards aren't exactly singing praises of Mormont's swordsmanship, either.

Ordinary knight >>> ordinary Dothraki

Jaime Lannister >>> Kahl Drogo

 

[Amused to Death]

I thought the conversation between Catelyn and Robb's wife was great. I never thought too much about her being at fault, or her perceiving herself as being at fault. I didn't know what she was getting at since she clearly never loved Jon Snow but now that makes sense.

During that conversation, did Cat make a comment about not seeing the boys (Bran & Rickon) in years? If so, that accounts for Bran's apparent growth spurt in the off-season.

I do like the story line with Brienne and Jaime, but its the least believable of the series imho. The Stark's most prized possession of the war and Cat sends him off on such a long journey with only Brienne to guard him and trust the Lannisters to just hand over the girls in King's Landing. I know its been discussed, but I just find myself scratching my head at that plot line.

"I hadn't seen him in years, I don't even know how many. " She was talking about her father there.

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Come on, Drogo was no ordinary Dothraki. When one of his chief lieutenants beefed that he was taking orders from Dany, Drogo dismissed him with such casual ease, it was preposterous. I don't think Mormont would have wanted to tangle with Drogo.

Yeah, but the bards aren't exactly singing praises of Mormont's swordsmanship, either.

Ordinary knight >>> ordinary Dothraki

Jaime Lannister >>> Kahl Drogo

Oh, I agree, Jaime would almost surely take him out, but I would give Drogo a puncher's chance against almost anyone based on his speed, movement, strength, and intimidation. You'd also have to chop his head off to beat him, mere flesh wounds, even a pectoral basically slashed in two, have about as much effect on him as a mosquito bite.

 

[rail]

One on One gladiator style sword fight tournament. No magic, no wolves, etc, just a fighter and a sword. Who wins?

Everyone alive or dead? Robert Baratheon. Anyone still living? Between Brienne and Selmy.

Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer. In a swordfight, I'd take either Selmy or Jaime.

The Cleganes are both bad ### too (as long as there's no fire around in Sandor's case).

Yeah - as skilled as Jaime is, would he really be able to deal with The Mountain's brute force?

Bronn needs to be in the discussion as well.

I think I'd take Bronn, Gregor or Jaime. In his prime, Selmy would have been my choice.

I was just going to post Bronn. A good dark-horse candidate with light armor to move well and not be above anything to get the job done.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

I like Syrios chances as a dark horse actually. He seems more likely to be able to use movement to negate brute force and armor while understamding how to penetrate armor.

 

[NIU Kicker]

Sight unseen more or less I'm going with the mountan.

You can tell me all daylong how good the kingslayer is, one good shot and he is going down. I just don't see the mountan as a real under dog in any one fight.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

This feels like a book discussion.

if it is shadyr will be here to let us know

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

You guys should move this discussion to the fun thread.

 

[Christo]

You guys should move this discussion to the fun thread.

Good idea. I couldn't care less about a subject that has not even been a slight issue in the television series.

 

[Gr00vus]

You guys should move this discussion to the fun thread.

Good idea. I couldn't care less about a subject that has not even been a slight issue in the television series.

I don't think anyone's working off anything but what they've seen in the shows. And if you're not interested in the subject, why not just ignore the posts about it?

 

[Doubtingthomas]

You guys should move this discussion to the fun thread.

Good idea. I couldn't care less about a subject that has not even been a slight issue in the television series.

it seems like it is at the right intellectual level for this thread

 

[shadyridr]

lol how is that a book discussion?

 

[Doubtingthomas]

lol how is that a book discussion?

so who is shadyridr taking to defend himself in a trial by Kombat

 

[shadyridr]

lol how is that a book discussion?

so who is shadyridr taking to defend himself in a trial by Kombat

I gotta say its between the Mountain or the Kingslayer.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

lol how is that a book discussion?

so who is shadyridr taking to defend himself in a trial by Kombat

I gotta say its between the Mountain or the Kingslayer.

once you get past his love of killing I'm not sure I get all the mountain love. kill the relative incompetent and then get beat by Loras isn't a stellar resume.

 

[Christo]

lol how is that a book discussion?

When did we see Robert Baratheon fight? How do we know "Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer"? How do we know how well Ned fought "in his prime"? When did we see Selmy fight? When did we see Thoros of Myr fight? How do we know Rhaegar Targaryen won some tournaments?

 

[EYLive]

lol how is that a book discussion?

When did we see Robert Baratheon fight? How do we know "Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer"? How do we know how well Ned fought "in his prime"? When did we see Selmy fight? When did we see Thoros of Myr fight? How do we know Rhaegar Targaryen won some tournaments?

Cosplay

 

[EYLive]

lol how is that a book discussion?

so who is shadyridr taking to defend himself in a trial by Kombat

I gotta say its between the Mountain or the Kingslayer.

once you get past his love of killing I'm not sure I get all the mountain love. kill the relative incompetent and then get beat by Loras isn't a stellar resume.

To be fair, that was a jousting tournament. Chopping his horse's head off with one swing was impressive.

 

[CBusAlex]

lol how is that a book discussion?

When did we see Robert Baratheon fight? How do we know "Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer"? How do we know how well Ned fought "in his prime"? When did we see Selmy fight? When did we see Thoros of Myr fight? How do we know Rhaegar Targaryen won some tournaments?

From conversations the characters have had on the show. Your own inability to pay attention does not constitute a spoiler.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

lol how is that a book discussion?

When did we see Robert Baratheon fight? How do we know "Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer"? How do we know how well Ned fought "in his prime"? When did we see Selmy fight? When did we see Thoros of Myr fight? How do we know Rhaegar Targaryen won some tournaments?

Do you even watch the show?

 

[Thunderlips]

lol how is that a book discussion?

When did we see Robert Baratheon fight? How do we know "Robert was an elite melee fighter in his prime, but that was with a war hammer"? How do we know how well Ned fought "in his prime"? When did we see Selmy fight? When did we see Thoros of Myr fight? How do we know Rhaegar Targaryen won some tournaments?

Do we need to see Robert, Ned, Selmy or Thoros fight to choose them?....Technically couldn't we choose Sam Tarly if we wanted to?...... Not sure how choosing them is relevant to the books.