Game of Thrones on HBO: non-book thread (1 Viewer)

[belljr]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken... S1E9: Ned diesS2E9: Battle of BlackwaterS3E9: Robb/Kat die The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock. LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl. Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

 

[Amused to Death]

So - generally speaking - how far into book 3 are we with the events of the wedding?

Spoiler

just beyond half way I'd guess, just beginning the awesomeness of book 3

 

[Sinn Fein]

Book readers are a fickle bunch. In the book thread they talk about how shocking this chapter was, but in this thread they are amazed that TV watchers did not see it coming.

Not that they didn't se it coming. It's that they didn't recognize the song and its meaning. I'm impartial as I haven't posted on it and need to watch the last 3 episodes still.

Thats a lot to ask of a tv viewer imo. First you have to recognize the tune - its catchy, but its not getting a lot of radio play these days. Second, you have to recognize that its the Lannisters song. The second might have been easier to do - but you had to be paying attention to some seemingly benign lines going back to the Blackwater episode where Bron said he learned the Lannisters song by fighting with Lannisters to Cersei talking about the meaning of the words.

As others have pointed out, there were enough other visual clues that something was going down - door being closed, Bolten wearing his chainmail, Cat looking around nervously. So, I don't think missing the song as a clue was a big deal.

I did think the show glossed over a big point in Westeros customs and unwritten rules - the bit about hospitality. A couple of episodes ago, Lady Cat warned Robb about making sure they are offered (and take) food and drink as soon as they get to the Freys - and at the beginning of this episode we see Robb eating and drinking and being offered the protection of hospitality by Lord Frey.

 

[renesauz]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken... S1E9: Ned diesS2E9: Battle of BlackwaterS3E9: Robb/Kat die The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock. LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl. Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

Why would you ask a question only book readers could possibly answer?

All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

 

[culdeus]

Stark stock price has to be at near it's 52 week low right? I'm taking my profits in the dragons and trying to buy on the dip here.

I think you have the right idea but its too early for both moves. The dragons only stand to get stronger, and the Starks might have new lows.

Picked up 8.73%.

Update?

Halted in after hours. Futures have it down 54% on open. Still got Bran and his Ambien power and the annoying little blonde kid. Not all is lost. This is a long term stock here.

 

[the moops]

All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

Maybe he thought he just missed something?

You could very easily just say "can't answer without giving something away"

 

[zoonation]

Robb Stark may be the biggest #### up of all time. Every decision he made was impulsive, selfish and ultimately led to the death of his kin and bannermen, as well as the Stark war effort.

Arya and Bran are obviously going to play a huge role going forward. It just can't end this way for that House. My guess is that King J is not long for the world and that he bites it next season. Likely at the sword/arrow of Arya.

You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

 

[renesauz]

All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

Maybe he thought he just missed something?

You could very easily just say "can't answer without giving something away"

TBH....not sure it would be giving anything away to answer, but some Nazis in here would whine about it. The answer to the question isn't really revealed until the latest book, and even the book readers can only speculate the implications.

 

[Christo]

"You know all that by looking at marks on paper? You must be some kind of wizard"

The look on Sam's face was great after that.

It was almost like that scene was poking fun at the readers spoiling this thread,

>All in all...the book readers did an excellent job of not spoiling

this.

Murderers manage not to murder everyone they meet. Doesn't mean they aren't murderers.

Just give it up and enjoy the damn show.

Tell you what. You ignore me.

 

[culdeus]

Robb Stark may be the biggest #### up of all time. Every decision he made was impulsive, selfish and ultimately led to the death of his kin and bannermen, as well as the Starke war effort.Aria and Bran are obviously going to play a huge role going forward. It just can't end this way for that House. My guess is that King J is not long for the world and that he bites it next season. Likely at the sword/arrow of Aria.You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

I don't get why someone couldn't just overrun winterfell at this point and sit at the throne there and be done with it? Isn't how these things normally go?

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

Did anyone expect the kingslayer to show up? I figured there was an outside chance of it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Robb Stark may be the biggest #### up of all time. Every decision he made was impulsive, selfish and ultimately led to the death of his kin and bannermen, as well as the Starke war effort. Aria and Bran are obviously going to play a huge role going forward. It just can't end this way for that House. My guess is that King J is not long for the world and that he bites it next season. Likely at the sword/arrow of Aria.You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

morons, no. but sansa doesn't seem to have a lot of control over what happens to her up to this point.

 

[The Ref]

culdeus, on 03 Jun 2013 - 09:47, said:

CBusAlex, on 02 Jun 2013 - 23:13, said:

culdeus, on 06 May 2013 - 09:26, said:

Steed, on 30 Apr 2013 - 12:20, said:

culdeus, on 30 Apr 2013 - 11:15, said:Stark stock price has to be at near it's 52 week low right? I'm taking my profits in the dragons and trying to buy on the dip here.

I think you have the right idea but its too early for both moves. The dragons only stand to get stronger, and the Starks might have new lows.

Picked up 8.73%.

Update?

Halted in after hours. Futures have it down 54% on open. Still got Bran and his Ambien power and the annoying little blonde kid. Not all is lost. This is a long term stock here. I

Not a book reader, but yeah I'd buy with two hands here. Sure the king of the north died. But way under rated in this episode was Bran being able to professor X someone at any time. Thats a rather big turn of events.Edit: You also got the Imp who hates everything Lanister right now with Winterfells heir on his arm. Thats a second big bullish fact going for the Starks. It is also implied that Arya eventually becomes a killer of sorts.

 

[jplvr]

Tremendous Upside, on 02 Jun 2013 - 21:00, said:Reading that scene was the biggest "Holy ####" moment I've ever had reading any bookAnd damn if the show didn't do it absolute justice...from the band playing "The Rains of Castamere" to Catelyn slowly realizing what is about to happen as the doors are closed and she realizes Roose Bolton is wearing MailPretty sure twitter just blew up

Mine was the next chapter, and how I thought they should've ended the episode. Not complaining, however. It was very well done.I saw the red wedding coming in the books as I read them in February, but only Robb's death. I don't think I would've gotten the significance of the song if I hadn't already read ahead. I didn't even realize it was part of the credits after the one episode, but I made sure to go back and listen later just because I knew how important it would be.

 

[The Ref]

Reading that scene was the biggest "Holy ####" moment I've ever had reading any book And damn if the show didn't do it absolute justice...from the band playing "The Rains of Castamere" to Catelyn slowly realizing what is about to happen as the doors are closed and she realizes Roose Bolton is wearing Mail Pretty sure twitter just blew up

Mine was the next chapter, and how I thought they should've ended the episode. Not complaining, however. It was very well done.

Oh good... a boring episode next week.

 

[Christo]

Do you show only people watch an episode once and that's it?

Yes.

 

[zoonation]

Robb Stark may be the biggest #### up of all time. Every decision he made was impulsive, selfish and ultimately led to the death of his kin and bannermen, as well as the Starke war effort.Aria and Bran are obviously going to play a huge role going forward. It just can't end this way for that House. My guess is that King J is not long for the world and that he bites it next season. Likely at the sword/arrow of Aria.You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

I don't get why someone couldn't just overrun winterfell at this point and sit at the throne there and be done with it? Isn't how these things normally go? Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up. Did anyone expect the kingslayer to show up? I figured there was an outside chance of it.

Cat was bad but not as bad as Robb. She tried talking him out of beheading that guy which ultimately led him to the Red Wedding. The guy was totally ill suited for leadership.He got beat by Tywin without stepping foot on the battlefield.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

FYI, you can't hear a song when you read a book. Us book people heard it exactly the same number of times.

The point is that you knew to look out for it. You knew to pay attention to the songs that involved the Lannister's because you knew the Lannister song was going to be a big deal. To you, a Lannister whistling is "hey maybe that's that Lannister theme song that's going to be involved in one of the biggest scenes of the series". To everyone else it's just some guy whistling. What was the melody of the song that played during the credits of S2E2? If I played it on a violin would you be able to recognize it? Of course not, because it's not important, and you didn't have any prior knowledge that it would be important when it played. It's not like all of the book readers are some super scrupulous bunch that picks up all the subtleties in life while all of the TV viewers are just a bunch of dully fratbros who would be more in their element watching The Kardashians. You know what to look for and you completely lack the ability to see if from the perspective of someone that doesn't. Sorry we didn't literally have it spelled out for us ("The band begins playing The Rock of Castomere") like you did. I'm also skeptical of how much of the whistling thing you picked up on was you actually picking up on it vs reading it in a wiki.

Picking up on the song really isn't a book vs. non book thing, it is a perception/music thing.

What a crraaazzzzzyyyy coincidence that every book reader in this thread is a musical person and every TV only viewer in this thread is not. Right?

It's absolutely a book vs non book thing hence every book reader picking up on it and every non book reader not. Oh, but one non booker reader on the entire internet who does a podcast examining the intracacies of the show picked up on it so clearly the other 20 million of us are just dense.

 

[Buckna]

Robb Stark may be the biggest #### up of all time. Every decision he made was impulsive, selfish and ultimately led to the death of his kin and bannermen, as well as the Stark war effort.Arya and Bran are obviously going to play a huge role going forward. It just can't end this way for that House. My guess is that King J is not long for the world and that he bites it next season. Likely at the sword/arrow of Arya.You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

While a briliant military strategist, Robb was very much his father's son, too noble and honorable to survive when surrounded by scoundrels, liars and people who would sell their souls if it meant their families advancement over another's.

 

[Christo]

yes, i only watch them once and all that renaissance faire music sounds exactly alike to me.

did i know something was going down... you betcha

but i was not like omg they are playing the lannister song...

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day.

If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's.

Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl.

Crazy.

 

[The Ref]

FYI, you can't hear a song when you read a book. Us book people heard it exactly the same number of times.

The point is that you knew to look out for it. You knew to pay attention to the songs that involved the Lannister's because you knew the Lannister song was going to be a big deal. To you, a Lannister whistling is "hey maybe that's that Lannister theme song that's going to be involved in one of the biggest scenes of the series". To everyone else it's just some guy whistling. What was the melody of the song that played during the credits of S2E2? If I played it on a violin would you be able to recognize it? Of course not, because it's not important, and you didn't have any prior knowledge that it would be important when it played. It's not like all of the book readers are some super scrupulous bunch that picks up all the subtleties in life while all of the TV viewers are just a bunch of dully fratbros who would be more in their element watching The Kardashians. You know what to look for and you completely lack the ability to see if from the perspective of someone that doesn't. Sorry we didn't literally have it spelled out for us ("The band begins playing The Rock of Castomere") like you did. I'm also skeptical of how much of the whistling thing you picked up on was you actually picking up on it vs reading it in a wiki.

Picking up on the song really isn't a book vs. non book thing, it is a perception/music thing.

What a crraaazzzzzyyyy coincidence that every book reader in this thread is a musical person and every TV only viewer in this thread is not. Right? It's absolutely a book vs non book thing hence every book reader picking up on it and every non book reader not. Oh, but one non booker reader on the entire internet who does a podcast examining the intracacies of the show picked up on it so clearly the other 20 million of us are just dense.

Not to be a jerk, but I'm not a book reader and I picked up on it instantly. It was kind of a big deal in the show. Of course what really tipped the hand of the whole thing was Cat noticing the guard going and closing the doors. When that was instantly followed up by the song I knew something bad was about to happen, although I figured some actual Lanisters would be there.

 

[Christo]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken... S1E9: Ned diesS2E9: Battle of BlackwaterS3E9: Robb/Kat die The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock. LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl. Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

Why would you ask a question only book readers could possibly answer?

All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

OMG, this has been addressed over and over again. People asking questions doesn't mean they want book readers swooping in to save the day. They're questions that would be asked even if the books didn't exist. Someone might have missed something in a prior episode that would answer the question. And people like to speculate about how something might play out in the future.

 

[belljr]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken... S1E9: Ned diesS2E9: Battle of BlackwaterS3E9: Robb/Kat die The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock. LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl. Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

Why would you ask a question only book readers could possibly answer? All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

wut? i just didnt know why the bird stopped, they didnt show anything so i wasnt sure... eta: i treat this thread with assumption anyone in it has not read the books, which is obviously not the case...if i post a question or thought its to see how other non readers perceived the scene not for someone that knows to tell me...not sure why readers feel every question is wanting a book answer...

 

[CBusAlex]

You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

The jury is still out on Rickon. He seems to have less to say than Hodor, which can't be a good sign.

 

[culdeus]

FWIW I totally read John splitting as he knew Bran was in the tower hiding. He hasn't had the last taste of fire imo.

 

[The Captain]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day. If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's. Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl. Crazy.

Robb put the ##### on a pedestal!

 

[The Ref]

You have to think the Starks have taken the last of their beatings. At least the remaining members aren't morons.

The jury is still out on Rickon. He seems to have less to say than Hodor, which can't be a good sign.

For all I know he is a major character in the book, but if not it's kind of genius writing. Martin cant just conjure up another Stark Kid out of the blue in future books/shows. Now he has a Stark descendant that we know little to nothing about that he can write into the action in the months/years to come.

 

[(HULK)]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day.

If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's.

Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl.

Crazy.

So, you TV watchers think that there are good guys and bad guys in this show? I think its more morally ambiguous, but I'm colored from having read the books.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day.

If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's.

Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl.

Crazy.

lannisters are some Luck SOBs. perfect storm for them, so to say. Robb Stark never lost a battle but lost the war.

I used to like how sometimes Comic books would do a what if - what if Renley Baratheon wasnt killed? would a tyrell/Storms end force taken Kings Landing where as Stannis failed due to the Tyrell/Lannister alliance?

Not sure If robb stark was a virgin, but he got some tail and married it. sealed his own fate there. High borns simply cannot marry for love.

 

[Abrantes]

Robb was as ill-suited to play the game as Ned, but let's not be too hasty in taking the Dunce crown from Cat, who not only sparked the war by capturing Tyrion, but also got rid of the Starks' biggest bargaining chip when she let Jaime go. Utterly indefensible.

 

[belljr]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day. If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's. Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl. Crazy.

So, you TV watchers think that there are good guys and bad guys in this show? I think its more morally ambiguous, but I'm colored from having read the books.

i did

 

[mad sweeney]

Should have known something was up when Bolton (I think it was Bolton) turned down the wine.

He did the same when he had Jaime and Brienne at his table last episode (maybe 2 ago). I think he just doesn't drink.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

FYI, you can't hear a song when you read a book. Us book people heard it exactly the same number of times.

The point is that you knew to look out for it. You knew to pay attention to the songs that involved the Lannister's because you knew the Lannister song was going to be a big deal. To you, a Lannister whistling is "hey maybe that's that Lannister theme song that's going to be involved in one of the biggest scenes of the series". To everyone else it's just some guy whistling. What was the melody of the song that played during the credits of S2E2? If I played it on a violin would you be able to recognize it? Of course not, because it's not important, and you didn't have any prior knowledge that it would be important when it played. It's not like all of the book readers are some super scrupulous bunch that picks up all the subtleties in life while all of the TV viewers are just a bunch of dully fratbros who would be more in their element watching The Kardashians. You know what to look for and you completely lack the ability to see if from the perspective of someone that doesn't. Sorry we didn't literally have it spelled out for us ("The band begins playing The Rock of Castomere") like you did. I'm also skeptical of how much of the whistling thing you picked up on was you actually picking up on it vs reading it in a wiki.

>Picking up on the song really isn't a book vs. non book thing, it is a perception/music thing.

What a crraaazzzzzyyyy coincidence that every book reader in this thread is a musical person and every TV only viewer in this thread is not. Right?

It's absolutely a book vs non book thing hence every book reader picking up on it and every non book reader not. Oh, but one non booker reader on the entire internet who does a podcast examining the intracacies of the show picked up on it so clearly the other 20 million of us are just dense.

I'm so glad that we simple TV viewers who dare to watch episodes only once can give the serious students of GOT (i.e. Leeroy) a reason to feel superior to someone.

 

[CBusAlex]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day.

If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's.

Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl.

Crazy.

So, you TV watchers think that there are good guys and bad guys in this show? I think its more morally ambiguous, but I'm colored from having read the books.

Rob and Ned were pretty clearly "good guys". Jofferey couldn't be more "bad guy" if they gave him a supervillain costume and doomsday machine.

 

[biggamer3]

Ok, no more complaining from me about major character deaths, if they had to kill a few big ones, I'm glad it was kat and Rob, I think I even wished for that.Was pissed we never really saw Rob's hot wife fully nekkid. Her death might have been more brutal than any other death on this show.

Now we have definite proof that some of you pay 0 attention or were looking forward to the Liberace biopic too much.

you realize I said fully, I recall her sex scenes, but we never got clear shots of her if I recall, it was all side boob and butt.

 

[shuke]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken... S1E9: Ned diesS2E9: Battle of BlackwaterS3E9: Robb/Kat die The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock. LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl. Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

Why would you ask a question only book readers could possibly answer?

All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

As has been discussed, we have agreed that this thread should be for non-book readers to discuss/speculate.

As a book reader I am not answering this question.

 

[Christo]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

In a nice twist from the usual, look at how much love changed the world for the worse, instead of saving the day.

If Robb doesn't fall in love with the Chaplain girl, he marries Frey's daughter and has a huge army to crush the Lannister's.

Instead, because he falls in love, he dooms his bride, himself, his mother, and destroys the largest army for good in the world. The entire fate of the evil Lannister family was re-written for the better because Robb fell in love with some girl.

Crazy.

So, you TV watchers think that there are good guys and bad guys in this show? I think its more morally ambiguous, but I'm colored from having read the books.

Rob and Ned were pretty clearly "good guys". Jofferey couldn't be more "bad guy" if they gave him a supervillain costume and doomsday machine.

Silly TV viewer.

 

[shuke]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

I think Rob made it pretty clear last night that this is incorrect.

 

[jplvr]

Reading that scene was the biggest "Holy ####" moment I've ever had reading any book And damn if the show didn't do it absolute justice...from the band playing "The Rains of Castamere" to Catelyn slowly realizing what is about to happen as the doors are closed and she realizes Roose Bolton is wearing Mail Pretty sure twitter just blew up

Mine was the next chapter, and how I thought they should've ended the episode. Not complaining, however. It was very well done.

Oh good... a boring episode next week.

I think I already slipped up somewhere else in mentioning how they ended that chapter. We passed the point of it happening the same way in the show, but they might use that element some other time, so I'll refrain from revealing it.

Haven't all the season finales been kind of boring in comparison to the 9th episode blood baths?

 

[belljr]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken... S1E9: Ned diesS2E9: Battle of BlackwaterS3E9: Robb/Kat die The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock. LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl. Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

Why would you ask a question only book readers could possibly answer? All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

As has been discussed, we have agreed that this thread should be for non-book readers to discuss/speculate. As a book reader I am not answering this question.

so his angry non answer was an answer...

 

[culdeus]

So Brieene is a free agent now. Where does she go? What's her value like at this point? Not coming off the best season ever, maybe she gets a 3year/50Mil offer from Jamie just based on rep? Could she go renegade?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Reading that scene was the biggest "Holy ####" moment I've ever had reading any book And damn if the show didn't do it absolute justice...from the band playing "The Rains of Castamere" to Catelyn slowly realizing what is about to happen as the doors are closed and she realizes Roose Bolton is wearing Mail Pretty sure twitter just blew up

Mine was the next chapter, and how I thought they should've ended the episode. Not complaining, however. It was very well done.

Oh good... a boring episode next week.

I think I already slipped up somewhere else in mentioning how they ended that chapter. We passed the point of it happening the same way in the show, but they might use that element some other time, so I'll refrain from revealing it.

Haven't all the season finales been kind of boring in comparison to the 9th episode blood baths?

dont think so.

Season 1 - ends with Dany and the Dragons revealed.

season 2- the white walker march and Dany escapign the tower of undying and leaving qarth

pretty cool IMO.

 

[culdeus]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

I think Rob made it pretty clear last night that this is incorrect.

Capturing Tyrion and marching him up the hill wasn't the smartest idea ever. Turning Jamie loose was doubly stupid. Both these directly led to the events last night more than Robb getting some Valeryian ### imo.

 

[shuke]

Reading that scene was the biggest "Holy ####" moment I've ever had reading any book And damn if the show didn't do it absolute justice...from the band playing "The Rains of Castamere" to Catelyn slowly realizing what is about to happen as the doors are closed and she realizes Roose Bolton is wearing Mail Pretty sure twitter just blew up

Mine was the next chapter, and how I thought they should've ended the episode. Not complaining, however. It was very well done.

Oh good... a boring episode next week.

I'll explain in spoilers about what he is referring to, although the event has aleady happened so it really isn't spoiling anything.

Spoiler

Arya has a chapter immediately after the Red Wedding. The last line of the chapter is something along the lines of her taking an axe to the head. It seemed at this point she was dead rather than just knocked unconscious. For me and a lot of readers, this was a lot more upsetting than Robb's and Cat's death.

 

[mad sweeney]

Ok, no more complaining from me about major character deaths, if they had to kill a few big ones, I'm glad it was kat and Rob, I think I even wished for that.

Was pissed we never really saw Rob's hot wife fully nekkid. Her death might have been more brutal than any other death on this show.

Now we have definite proof that some of you pay 0 attention or were looking forward to the Liberace biopic too much.

No frontal was shown.

 

[Christo]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

I think Rob made it pretty clear last night that this is incorrect.

Capturing Tyrion and marching him up the hill wasn't the smartest idea ever. Turning Jamie loose was doubly stupid. Both these directly led to the events last night more than Robb getting some Valeryian ### imo.

But Frey was the key to last night not the Lannisters.

 

[culdeus]

Robb was the worst GGRP ever, but I think it was his mom that ####ed everything all up.

I think Rob made it pretty clear last night that this is incorrect.

Capturing Tyrion and marching him up the hill wasn't the smartest idea ever. Turning Jamie loose was doubly stupid. Both these directly led to the events last night more than Robb getting some Valeryian ### imo.

But Frey was the key to last night not the Lannisters.

Disagree completely.

 

[mad sweeney]

Book readers are a fickle bunch. In the book thread they talk about how shocking this chapter was, but in this thread they are amazed that TV watchers did not see it coming.

Not that they didn't se it coming. It's that they didn't recognize the song and its meaning. I'm impartial as I haven't posted on it and need to watch the last 3 episodes still.

Thats a lot to ask of a tv viewer imo. First you have to recognize the tune - its catchy, but its not getting a lot of radio play these days. Second, you have to recognize that its the Lannisters song. The second might have been easier to do - but you had to be paying attention to some seemingly benign lines going back to the Blackwater episode where Bron said he learned the Lannisters song by fighting with Lannisters to Cersei talking about the meaning of the words.

As others have pointed out, there were enough other visual clues that something was going down - door being closed, Bolten wearing his chainmail, Cat looking around nervously. So, I don't think missing the song as a clue was a big deal.

I did think the show glossed over a big point in Westeros customs and unwritten rules - the bit about hospitality. A couple of episodes ago, Lady Cat warned Robb about making sure they are offered (and take) food and drink as soon as they get to the Freys - and at the beginning of this episode we see Robb eating and drinking and being offered the protection of hospitality by Lord Frey.

How did they gloss over it? As you say, they talked about it a few episodes ago and it was a big point that was made the first time they went to the Freys. They showed trays of bread and salt being passed around and Frey saying that now that it's happened, welcome to the Twins in this episode. If they spent any more time pointing it out, it would've been a big red neon sign flashing "NOT SAFE" over and over.

 

[culdeus]

Anyone think Darrio wouldn't be down with a bad kind of 3-way? Could see hbo break some ground in this regard.

 

[shuke]

HFS, these guys do not play around with the 9th episode of the season. If I'm not mistaken...

S1E9: Ned dies

S2E9: Battle of Blackwater

S3E9: Robb/Kat die

The list of people that we want to see get a particularly gruesome death continues to grow. The list of people left that can do it to them continues to shrink. Glad I didn't try to buy low on that Starke stock.

LOL at Jon Snow. Either doesn't recognize or doesn't care about seeing Bran's wolf, then rides away from both it and his girl.

Tyrion as Lord of Winterfell would be an interesting plotline.

Just a guess - but Snow may have seen the wolves and guessed something was up - so he leads the wildlings away by taking off on the horse

iwas thinking this... so the guy that took over the bird, was that temporary until he died?

Why would you ask a question only book readers could possibly answer?All the whining in here wanting book readers to keep their mouths shut....and then non-book readers invite them to comment. I don't get it.

As has been discussed, we have agreed that this thread should be for non-book readers to discuss/speculate.

As a book reader I am not answering this question.

so his angry non answer was an answer...

Not at all.