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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (13 Viewers)

Not so sure if he'd ever leave her side.  
it was subtle, but do you think the writers were planting any seeds during the scene where Cerci comes back from poisoning the sand snake and wants sex from Jamie and he rebuffs her before she basically forces herself on him?

 
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Does anybody else think we'll meet Howland Reed?  I imagine we might need somebody to validate Jon's parentage (aside from Bran).  I know Meera is alive but I don't get the sense that he (Howland) told her.  
I'd like to see the character myself, but it could come off as a pretty cheap reveal this late in the show. They've barely established the guy as a character. Can you imagine the questions we'll get in this thread from @Capella ? ;)

 
it was subtle, but do you think the writers were planting behind the scene where Cerci comes back from poisoning the sand snake and wants sex from Jamie and he rebuffs her before she basically forces herself on him?
Definitely a possibility.  Although I find the writers being more duplicitous than subtle when it comes to her.

On a side note, I sure wish she would force herself on me. 

 
it was subtle, but do you think the writers were planting any seeds during the scene where Cerci comes back from poisoning the sand snake and wants sex from Jamie and he rebuffs her before she basically forces herself on him?
The bigger seed is how he reacted to Euron's taunts. I could see Jamie going bananas on them both if he catches them riding the high seas together.

 
Not so sure if he'd ever leave her side.  I mean, she killed countless people by destroying half of King's Landing with wildfire and he's still with her.
I agree.  I think this is one of the conflicts that the show has slow-played really well.  They've emphasized Jamie as the king-slayer, which involved him breaking an oath to kill the very person he was sworn to protect.  They've also had him cast a few side-glances at Cersei at times to suggest he may be questioning her.  We also know that he helped ferry Tyrion to safety against his sister's wishes.  But at the same time, they've also interspersed several scenes showing that they are together and inseparable.  

He can also come to this realization gradually.  As shown by the Theon torture scenes - which help to explain why Theon watched Ramsey/Sansa for so long without acting, and then later abandoned Yara - the show will go to great lengths sometimes to lay the foundation for a character's behavior.  

What is great about this is that I don't know which way he'd go and I wouldn't be surprised either way.   

 
The bigger seed is how he reacted to Euron's taunts. I could see Jamie going bananas on them both if he catches them riding the high seas together.
Word on the street is that Euron is sporting a huge harpoon.

They really did a good job in writing in Euron and quickly developing him into a character that drips depravity.  Someone it is easy to relate to. 

 
Anybody else think what's left of the humans unite to fight off the white walkers? I could see a final battle between South and north interrupted by the army of the dead, forcing them to form a last ditch alliance.

 
Anybody else think what's left of the humans unite to fight off the white walkers? I could see a final battle between South and north interrupted by the army of the dead, forcing them to form a last ditch alliance.
No way Cersei is uniting with Dany and/or Jon Snow, regardless of what comes down from the North.  

 
I agree.  I think this is one of the conflicts that the show has slow-played really well.  They've emphasized Jamie as the king-slayer, which involved him breaking an oath to kill the very person he was sworn to protect.  They've also had him cast a few side-glances at Cersei at times to suggest he may be questioning her.  We also know that he helped ferry Tyrion to safety against his sister's wishes.   
What you state here echoes with something Lord Varys said... how he doesn't serve any'one', not a king nor queen, no ruler is he indebted to... rather, he serves the realm (or something to that effect)

Who else follows this mold? Demonstrably so, Jamie has... and with his reclamation path, all the more. Kingslayer, disobeying fathers orders to help Tyrion, keeping even cersei in check (poison not torture).  John Snow fits, Lady Mormont. Sansa may be growing into this, but not sure. At heart, Tyrion definitely, as he seems to truly empathize and sympathize with the commoner and downtrodden. 

FWIW, I don't think Daenerys fits this mold. There is a selfishness about her, for lack of a better term. A lack of humility as "she" is destined for the crown, and driven by that... willing at times to relive the horrors inflicted by her predecessors onto others to accomplish this.  As we have already seen, she seems to not be especially keen on governing, but rather good at conquering, and then ruling. Again, ruling is about her, governing is for the good of the realm.

Not sure just how this fits, but I sense it does. 

 
It would be soooo Cersei to promise to help with the WW threat only to have the Lannister army turn around at the last minute so that the WWs kill everyone else.  Sort of like in Braveheart when all the other dudes' armies left Mel Gibson to die on the battlefield.  

 
Anybody else think what's left of the humans unite to fight off the white walkers? I could see a final battle between South and north interrupted by the army of the dead, forcing them to form a last ditch alliance.
I could see this, but could also see someone not following through and taking throne instead.  Maybe LF takes his troops there? Cersei tells everyone to get bent? Euron chills on his ships and takes Kings Landing? Unsullied get there  after everbody leaves? 

Just saying it's wide open for someone to think most of the humans and walkers die in a huge battle so tgey would sneak in uncontested while that battle wages. 

 
I think if they went this way, it would be because having Bran is a great storytelling tool to show us, the audience, the stuff we've seen (and whatever we haven't seen yet) via flashbacks. I agree it might make more sense if he's the one to tell Jon about his parentage, but if it's Sam, it doesn't mean Bran was useless. Because we were able to see it all via flashback in a way that was immersive and wasn't a BS reveal by the writers--it fit the lore of the world they and GRRM created, and created a great dramatic moment we wouldn't have gotten if Sam discovered it first. Bran is a much more effective storytelling tool for the writers to show us stuff, but that doesn't mean other characters can't learn things he has shown us on their own. Plus Bran has bigger fish to fry with the Night King and all that--it was a cool reveal but it's not like his biggest purpose as the Three Eyed Raven was to learn Jon's heritage. 
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Very good points.  Plus we have his warging abilities too.  

 
She might not (unless a Jamie white walker shuffled towards her), but Jamie leading their armies might.
I don't think the show (creators/Martin) would ever put Cersei in a position to voluntarily give up that much power just to be with Jamie.  It would really undercut her whole character, as that is too redemptive to align with Jon and Dany.  Jon Snow has said several times that it doesn't matter who sits on the Iron Throne if they are just ruling over ashes.  I think Cersei would be fine with that.      

 
Finally got to re-watch the episode.

Davos introducing Jon to Dany is the funniest scene this season so far.

Why is Melisandre going to Volantis. She is clearly bringing something back because she talked about returning.

 
I think if they went this way, it would be because having Bran is a great storytelling tool to show us, the audience, the stuff we've seen (and whatever we haven't seen yet) via flashbacks. I agree it might make more sense if he's the one to tell Jon about his parentage, but if it's Sam, it doesn't mean Bran was useless. Because we were able to see it all via flashback in a way that was immersive and wasn't a BS reveal by the writers--it fit the lore of the world they and GRRM created, and created a great dramatic moment we wouldn't have gotten if Sam discovered it first. Bran is a much more effective storytelling tool for the writers to show us stuff, but that doesn't mean other characters can't learn things he has shown us on their own. Plus Bran has bigger fish to fry with the Night King and all that--it was a cool reveal but it's not like his biggest purpose as the Three Eyed Raven was to learn Jon's heritage. 
I'm sure there is something where he can't reveal things that from the past because it would affect everyone's future.  Although it would be cool if he just made an off comment that Rickon should have zagged a bit. 

 
Finally got to re-watch the episode.

Davos introducing Jon to Dany is the funniest scene this season so far.

Why is Melisandre going to Volantis. She is clearly bringing something back because she talked about returning.
And what was the comment to Varys? Something about both of them dying on foreign soil? Looked like it cut him to the quick.

 
Finally got to re-watch the episode.

Davos introducing Jon to Dany is the funniest scene this season so far.

Why is Melisandre going to Volantis. She is clearly bringing something back because she talked about returning.
I'm guessing for bringing reinforcements and that sometime next season we'll see a few boats filled with nice-breasted fire priestesses come help fight the White Walkers.  

 
And what was the comment to Varys? Something about both of them dying on foreign soil? Looked like it cut him to the quick.
She said that she would return to Westeros to die and that Varys would die there too.  I took it as foreshadowing that Varys may bite it eventually, and he seemed to think it too from the look on his face.  

 
Wouldn't word of Jon's death and being brought back have spread to Dany by now, or at least Varys.
The Ravens are the internet.  If they never dispatched one with the info, my guess is that the vast majority of the people who knew what happened in Castle Black are either dead or still in the north.

 
Finally got to re-watch the episode.

Davos introducing Jon to Dany is the funniest scene this season so far.

Why is Melisandre going to Volantis. She is clearly bringing something back because she talked about returning.
crabs, most likely.

 
Finally got to re-watch the episode.

Davos introducing Jon to Dany is the funniest scene this season so far.

Why is Melisandre going to Volantis. She is clearly bringing something back because she talked about returning.
i thought the main Lord of Light Temple (or whatever it's called) was in Volantis. maybe going back to super-charge her necklace? 

 
i thought the main Lord of Light Temple (or whatever it's called) was in Volantis. maybe going back to super-charge her necklace? 
I assumed she was going to go gather the faithful for the final battle with the white walkers.

 
I assumed she was going to go gather the faithful for the final battle with the white walkers.
Would they be doing it to support Daenerys? That would mean that she survives against Cersei. Not that most people don't expect that to be the outcome.

 
And what was the comment to Varys? Something about both of them dying on foreign soil? Looked like it cut him to the quick.
Varys had that interaction with the red priestess Salma Hayek look-alike in Mereen last season, in which she claimed she knew about the voices he heard when his naughty bits were tossed on the fire way back when.  The priestess said she knew what the voices said and who said them, and it freaked him out. Now we have a clue that Melissadre also knows what was said, and it seems most likely it was some sort of prophecy about his death. He hates the religious fanatics and they freak him out, but we know that they are supporting Dany now, so that will be a dynamic to keep an eye on.

 
Varys had that interaction with the red priestess Salma Hayek look-alike in Mereen last season, in which she claimed she knew about the voices he heard when his naughty bits were tossed on the fire way back when.  The priestess said she knew what the voices said and who said them, and it freaked him out. Now we have a clue that Melissadre also knows what was said, and it seems most likely it was some sort of prophecy about his death. He hates the religious fanatics and they freak him out, but we know that they are supporting Dany now, so that will be a dynamic to keep an eye on.
Lord Beric follows the Red God IIRC. has he and Melisandre hung out at all? 

 
I thought Varys said that to Dany after she booted Jon & Davos. Will rewatch tonight to confirm
Varys said our Highgarden and Dornish allies were attacked on their way to blah, blah, blah so the Dornish army is still intact, my bad.

The Maester also said Maester Luwin kept a copy of every raven scroll, not every scroll. Small thing but important.

 
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There is no way this happens. Do you remember his speech to Edmure? All he cares about is Cersei. 
He does care about Tyrion too.

Hence, the conundrum he's likely going to have to confront at some point.

 
He does care about Tyrion too.

Hence, the conundrum he's likely going to have to confront at some point.
Jamie kills Cersei in front of Tyrion and after it's done, Tyrion says something like, "Don't worry, big brother. Let's get you down to the brothel and show you that there is a whole world of ______ out there for you to enjoy."

 
Jamie kills Cersei in front of Tyrion and after it's done, Tyrion says something like, "Don't worry, big brother. Let's get you down to the brothel and show you that there is a whole world of ______ out there for you to enjoy."
Very true.  Jamie is most likely dying for a handie right now.

 
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