Game Thread W10 - Washington V Tampa Bay (1 Viewer)

[Number 28]

it may not have been the last drive. it was the one they reviewed. and i don't know if it was galloway.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

And on cue, someone comes in to make every Redskins fan look bad.

 

[zamboni]

...how the hell do you expect the redskins to win even when they totally outplay the other team when they have 6 guys in stripes on the other team? seriously, i thought the purpose of the replay system, which is stupid and flawed to begin with, was to get the call right. and there were 3 plays in that game that were simply not right.

not only does the guy blow the inbounds call on galloway's catch in the 1st half, and not only does he apply the forced out rule, he ####### makes it so that they can't even review the play because "a judgement call cannot be reviewed." what the #### is that? guys can make judgement calls at full speed without replay, but once they blow a ####### judgement call, you can't go back and fix it?! that makes PERFECT sense.

and that catch on the last drive was OBVIOUSLY not a catch, and as for the alstott run, he was obviously not in and we ALL know it. but also, who the #### gets called for DEFENSIVE delay of game on an EXTRA POINT? the redskins, that's who. the only team to get called for LEVERAGING in the history of football two weeks ago gets called for ####### delay of game on an extra point defensively? jesus.

i'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but this happens almost every ####### week and i'm getting sick of it. how can you expect the best team to win if this #### keeps happening?

Wild guess - Skins fan?

sure am. and that explains my emotion about it.but can you argue with the assessment?

I didn't see the game, so I can't vouch for the crew. But I don't think it's just the Skins - the refs have been pretty dreadful in a lot of games this year.

 

[Corn Man]

yeah... ptts and #### dude

 

[Number 28]

#### it. who cares how redskins fans look. we'll get no respect either way, so at least now i get to get this off my chest. folks like you will hate the redskins and their fans no matter if i make this post or not.who's the best team in the NFC east? guess what, i don't know either, but you can no longer discount the skins, can you?

 

[footballjunkie]

...how the hell do you expect the redskins to win even when they totally outplay the other team when they have 6 guys in stripes on the other team? seriously, i thought the purpose of the replay system, which is stupid and flawed to begin with, was to get the call right. and there were 3 plays in that game that were simply not right.

not only does the guy blow the inbounds call on galloway's catch in the 1st half, and not only does he apply the forced out rule, he ####### makes it so that they can't even review the play because "a judgement call cannot be reviewed." what the #### is that? guys can make judgement calls at full speed without replay, but once they blow a ####### judgement call, you can't go back and fix it?! that makes PERFECT sense.

and that catch on the last drive was OBVIOUSLY not a catch, and as for the alstott run, he was obviously not in and we ALL know it. but also, who the #### gets called for DEFENSIVE delay of game on an EXTRA POINT? the redskins, that's who. the only team to get called for LEVERAGING in the history of football two weeks ago gets called for ####### delay of game on an extra point defensively? jesus.

i'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but this happens almost every ####### week and i'm getting sick of it. how can you expect the best team to win if this #### keeps happening?

Wild guess - Skins fan?

sure am. and that explains my emotion about it.but can you argue with the assessment?

I can. The only valid point you have is regarding the supposed Galloway catch in the first quarter. The refs clearly messed that one up, so I won't go there. The catch that "OBVIOUSLY was not a catch" was clearly a catch. At no point in time did the ground cause the bell to even remotely shift while it was in Galloway's possession. It's called the Bert Emmanuel rule. Remember when the Bucs got screwed in the playoffs a few years back?

The delay of game was valid. If the 'Skins players would have just shut up and quit arguing, that would have never been called. It's called discipline and they didn't show it on that play. Remember that there was already the offsides call that the Bucs could have feasibly taken as a half the distance to the goal and been in the same situation (from the 1). So, it's a moot point anyway.

As for the 2 PT converstion, we've all seen the replay now about 20 times. In not one angle is the ball EVER visible. Whether you may think the ball was in or out, doesn't matter a bit. It only matters that in multiple camera angles, there was nothing to give the refs a case to overturn the call. Nothing. It wasn't there. I know it sucks, but that's just the way it goes sometimes.

Finally, let's talk about the leveraging penalty a couple of weeks ago that has only ever been called against your Skins. Remember, the Bucs lost to the Colts in that amazing MNF game a few years ago on the same stupid call. So, don't feel alone. I had to buy a new TIVO remote after that call. Mine somehow ended up in about 40 pieces, so I feel your pain.

 

[Newman]

and that catch on the last drive was OBVIOUSLY not a catch

Which catch, Galloway's? I can't see how you can say that obviously wasn't a catch.

because, when they showed the replay, we could all see the ball hit the ground, and then see that the ball was loose after he bounced.that's how.

No way was it loose. That, unlike others, was absolutely the proper call.

 

[Slider]

Great game. I don't like either team and I wouldn't say the officials did anything to determine the outcome. Definately one of the best games of the year.

 

[Capella]

That was almost a religious experience.After all the prayers I said, I'm into God for the next 5 years.

 

[Corn Man]

That was almost a religious experience.

After all the prayers I said, I'm into God for the next 5 years.

It had nothing to do with you, God hates the Redskins because of their racist nickname.

 

[Capella]

That was almost a religious experience.

After all the prayers I said, I'm into God for the next 5 years.

It had nothing to do with you, God hates the Redskins because of their racist nickname.

Whatever it takes.Guy next to me at RayJay almost had a heart attack. I almost joined him.

Good times. :stillers:

 

[fatness]

And on cue, someone comes in to make every Redskins fan look bad.

Nah, he's just making himself look bad.

 

[fatness]

After all the prayers I said, I'm into God for the next 5 years.

I hope this is platonic.

 

[buster c]

skins missed C.Griff & S.Taylor big time. despite being a little frosty at some of the ref errors, I love how Gibbs has stf up all the naysayers this year

 

[Bailiver]

...how the hell do you expect the redskins to win even when they totally outplay the other team when they have 6 guys in stripes on the other team? seriously, i thought the purpose of the replay system, which is stupid and flawed to begin with, was to get the call right. and there were 3 plays in that game that were simply not right.

not only does the guy blow the inbounds call on galloway's catch in the 1st half, and not only does he apply the forced out rule, he ####### makes it so that they can't even review the play because "a judgement call cannot be reviewed." what the #### is that? guys can make judgement calls at full speed without replay, but once they blow a ####### judgement call, you can't go back and fix it?! that makes PERFECT sense.

and that catch on the last drive was OBVIOUSLY not a catch, and as for the alstott run, he was obviously not in and we ALL know it. but also, who the #### gets called for DEFENSIVE delay of game on an EXTRA POINT? the redskins, that's who. the only team to get called for LEVERAGING in the history of football two weeks ago gets called for ####### delay of game on an extra point defensively? jesus.

i'm not saying there's a conspiracy, but this happens almost every ####### week and i'm getting sick of it. how can you expect the best team to win if this #### keeps happening?

 

[Capella]

Apparently the whiny Skins fans in here had no problem with the kickoff return when the guy stepped out of bounds.Met a lot of pretty cool Skins fans tonight. We all thought it was a great game. How 'bout less and and more thinking that you actually have a damn fine team.

 

[fatness]

It surprised me that Alstott was more able to gain yardage than was Williams. And it surprised me that Portis was able to run so well in the first half.

 

[buster c]

I think the replay on the Betts KO return showed that his heal was not down. he knew he was close so he effectively tip-toed the line. but had they called him out, it was close enough that they wouldn't have overturned it.

 

[bigalgreek]

I think the replay on the Betts KO return showed that his heal was not down. he knew he was close so he effectively tip-toed the line. but had they called him out, it was close enough that they wouldn't have overturned it.

Yep...and I think the Bucs were definitely on the end of the better calls in this game, like the Galloway reception where he was shoved out, whatever. That being said, the Skins should have made 3rd and 2 and ended the game, so they only have themselves to blame.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

the Skins should have made 3rd and 2 and ended the game, so they only have themselves to blame.

Basically my point several posts ago.They had several chances to end the game, but couldn't.

 

[fatness]

I agree too. Not putting the game away near the end, the 3 turnovers in the first half. Those are things that always lose games. Officials' calls in games go each way, and this game was not decided by officials.

 

[jbz]

Gibbs got ultra-conservative on that second to last drive. He did the same thing vs the Eagles too, but the D held that time (but it got too close for comfort). 3 straight runs into the teeth of a D that's selling out for it. After the good gain on 1st down, they had options IMO. I know Gibbs didn't want the clock to stop, but I think the Bucs were primed to be setup for a playaction. Had they called a playaction rollout, similar to the one they used on 4th and 2 on the last TD drive prior, I think they had a real shot at it. Brunell is still mobile enough to get 2 yards and Cooley is money in that situation. Oh well. Another close loss for these cardiac Redskins. On to the beating of Norv next week!

 

[DCThunder]

At least the Giants lost too. Now I got to root hard for the Eagles and three teams at 5-4. I think the Skins have tiebreakers on both the Eagles and Cowpies right now. It looks to me like only the NFC East winner is going to the playoffs.

 

[redman]

God that was painful. I agree the blown calls can't be blamed, but the officiating was about as shaky all around as I can remember in an NFL game. We benefitted from a few calls that I thought were questionable too. It's turnovers (and the lack of them on defense) and giving up big plays again. The defense missed Griffin and Taylor, but even with them in their I don't believe that they're as good as they were last year.

 

[Gargoylez]

The only real bad call was the Joey Galloway call, the 30+ yard throw from Simms. He was clearly out and was clearly not pushed out.Other then that I felt the rest of teh game was ok. The 2 point conversion IMO didnt have enough to tell us either way.Gruden has a set of brass gazinga's I tell you. My heart fell about 2 feet when Alstott hit that wall on the 1/2 yard line. But Corn Fed White Boy came through... PHEW.

 

[redman]

Other then that I felt the rest of teh game was ok. The 2 point conversion IMO didnt have enough to tell us either way.

Gruden has a set of brass gazinga's I tell you. My heart fell about 2 feet when Alstott hit that wall on the 1/2 yard line. But Corn Fed White Boy came through... PHEW.

I agreed with you on the two-point conversion until I saw the replay that was more or less head-on and showed Alstott's elbow down clearly short of the goalline. No single replay showed everything, but when you see that and compare it to the side angle, you realize there's no way that the ball was over the goalline at that point. IMHO the officials didn't study the replays closely enough.

Still, that's only two - albeit the last two - of 36 points given up, so that's why I'm upset at what the team did to put itself in that position. We're focusing on it because those were the last two points scored.

 

[scoobygang]

I agreed with you on the two-point conversion until I saw the replay that was more or less head-on and showed Alstott's elbow down clearly short of the goalline. No single replay showed everything, but when you see that and compare it to the side angle, you realize there's no way that the ball was over the goalline at that point. IMHO the officials didn't study the replays closely enough.

They could have studied the replays until the cows come home. Using three different angles to infer that the ball didn't break the plane doesn't constitute indisputable visible evidence. I was as mad as the next guy, as my wife could attest to last night, but the replay officials can't overturn that call. They would have been breaking their own rules to do so.

 

[DCThunder]

Other then that I felt the rest of teh game was ok. The 2 point conversion IMO didnt have enough to tell us either way.

Gruden has a set of brass gazinga's I tell you. My heart fell about 2 feet when Alstott hit that wall on the 1/2 yard line. But Corn Fed White Boy came through... PHEW.

I agreed with you on the two-point conversion until I saw the replay that was more or less head-on and showed Alstott's elbow down clearly short of the goalline. No single replay showed everything, but when you see that and compare it to the side angle, you realize there's no way that the ball was over the goalline at that point. IMHO the officials didn't study the replays closely enough.

Still, that's only two - albeit the last two - of 36 points given up, so that's why I'm upset at what the team did to put itself in that position. We're focusing on it because those were the last two points scored.

Which Redskins defender hit Alstott in the backfield first but couldn't bring him down? Was it Marcus Washington?BTW, is the defense better, worse or the same since Lavar has been back?

 

[Gargoylez]

I agreed with you on the two-point conversion until I saw the replay that was more or less head-on and showed Alstott's elbow down clearly short of the goalline.  No single replay showed everything, but when you see that and compare it to the side angle, you realize there's no way that the ball was over the goalline at that point. 

IMHO the officials didn't study the replays closely enough. 

They could have studied the replays until the cows come home. Using three different angles to infer that the ball didn't break the plane doesn't constitute indisputable visible evidence. I was as mad as the next guy, as my wife could attest to last night, but the replay officials can't overturn that call. They would have been breaking their own rules to do so.

Actually from the goalline, it appears that Alstott landing on his player, and moved forward bring the ball over the line. THEN landed on the ground. At that point the ball was over the line, or appeared to be. Only when you went to the 5th camera angle did you see the elbow, but because there was no real way to tell where the ball actually was on the line from the angle when Alstott's elbow hit, there is no way they could of overturned the call.Honestly, I don't think he made it. But I can see where the Ref's had a hard time overturning the original call, and Vice Versa if they called it differently.

 

[dickey moe]

this makes tomorrows game even bigger

if dallas wins it they share first with the giants and are a game up on wash.

if they lose - its a f'n mess!

Yep.If Dallas wins tonight, it will have been a perfect week of NFL football for Cowboys fans.

LET'S GO 'BOYS!!!

 

[MSULions]

the bucs certainly are in the good graces of the refs this year....that's two wins in the last minute they've gotten from them

 

[fatness]

Which Redskins defender hit Alstott in the backfield first but couldn't bring him down? Was it Marcus Washington?

BTW, is the defense better, worse or the same since Lavar has been back?

It was Arrington. The defense is steadily worsening, but Arrington is not causing that. Lack of depth to cover for injured players (C. Griffin, the secondary) more than anything else has caused the slide. And other teams are getting more used to Williams's defensive schemes.