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General Malaise "vs." reading comprehension ; also some talk of skyim and the elder scrolls (3 Viewers)

I keep thinking to myself "This gen needs a high-quality Elder Scrolls game so badly" but then I think about how shallow Fallout 4 was and how dumbed-down Skyrim was and I worry that Bethesda isn't going to get the next one -- whatever it is -- right.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I keep thinking to myself "This gen needs a high-quality Elder Scrolls game so badly" but then I think about how shallow Fallout 4 was and how dumbed-down Skyrim was and I worry that Bethesda isn't going to get the next one -- whatever it is -- right.
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How was Skyrim dumbed down? You liked Oblivion more? 

 
KarmaPolice said:
How was Skyrim dumbed down? You liked Oblivion more? 
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Didn't play Oblivion but I think it gives you more specialized character stat choices. Where in skyrim your choices are more race determined. If that is it, there are mods that will allow you to do that.

 
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My biggest issue is the same in every Elder Scrolls and Fallout game. I hit a spot my equipment is the best, and I can kill things easily, and have so much money it becomes meaningless. There are plenty of quests left to do but I don't feel a lot of motivation to do them since the character is kind of stagnant already.

I'm at that point with this Skyrim play through now. Level 47. All of my gear I smithed and enchanted myself. Even with my mod nerfing the enchantments, having dual enchantments beats anything I'll find in the game. Probably 300k gold, probably have another 500k+ in equipment I'm not bothering selling since I don't need the money.

I'm thinking I might raise my level requirement to get dual enchantments, I have it at 40, maybe raise it to 50. And I'm considering making a bunch of dual enchanted magic items that will be better than what I can make, put some in the random loot lists, maybe upgrade some of the quest rewards.

I don't know what to do about the economy. There's just not enough to spend money on. Most things I could make more expensive would mean you earn more selling them too. I guess I can lower the value of enchanted items by a lot which would go a long way. I've also considered making soul gems much more scarce, could also raise the price on them so it's expensive to buy them to improve Enchanting.

Actually, I wouldn't mind just stretching out the level ranges at which things show up. Like I think Dwarven armor/weapons first shows up in random lists around level 15. Maybe make that show up at level 20 or 25, slow down how quickly better equipment becomes available. Though there are these lists of random items where that stuff is held, and it would require editing so many of them to pull that off. Each material and armor/weapon type has multiple lists that would have to be edited.

If anyone else ends up feeling the same and has ideas how to fix it, I'd love to hear them.

 
Stop wearing/making the sweet ### armor and you could now flip around and start doing battle with whatever you are weaker in?  Just go all magic or something?

I thought it was 100 to get dual enchantments? I know I wasn't there in the first game I was playing. 

I get what you are saying though.  I was about to raise up my difficulty in the first game I was at with the archer b/c I was just about one shooting everything. 

I don't know WTF you are doing money-wise, but sheesh.  I think the most I ever had was about 45K or so, and even that was to the point I didn't know what to do with it. 

 
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It takes 100 Enchanting to get the dual enchantment perk, yes. But you can achieve that at any character level. You can probably get that by level 15 or so as a character if you focused on it right away. So I used the Creation Kit to stick a level limit on it so that perk now requires both a 100 Enchanting and the character being level 40.  I put level limits like that on all of the Enchanting and Smithing perks.

Doing it that way accomplished what I wanted for most of the way, where my best items were things I found and my own enchantments just filled in gaps where I hadn't found, say, a helmet with Fortify Archery yet.  But once I hit... well, smithing Glass armor, and Enchantment 80 with 4/5 of the perks, at that point I started wearing mostly stuff I made. Then finally Dual Enchantment at level 40 and now nothing I can find is as good.

 
Chaka said:
Companion Vilja mod.

Trust me.
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I've used this mod and it add a TON of content for just one follower, but I cant help but feel that one day I'm going to log in and it'll have turned into one of those creepy naked waifu mods.  There's something off about her.  

 
Scoresman said:
I've used this mod and it add a TON of content for just one follower, but I cant help but feel that one day I'm going to log in and it'll have turned into one of those creepy naked waifu mods.  There's something off about her.  
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I'm proud of the fact I had no idea what "waifu" meant until I googled it.

 
Finally see what you have to do.  I do love that courtship in Skyrim is "are you interested in me". 

I was feeling like a bad ### with my Orc, but did end up getting in a pinch of trouble where I was over my head.  I think it was Silvermist cave to the NE of Whiterun? The Chaurus were rough, then I couldn't deal with the combo of the Falmer Gloomlurker and Dwarven Centurion towards the end.  Did some other stuff and now can build some Orcish armor and weapons, so that should give me another decent boost.  I might go back in and try again tonight. 

 
Khaleesi spent a fair amount of time yesterday doing missions around Whiterun and selling everything to whomever would buy the junk.  The goal is to get the Whiterun house (I'm about 1000 gold short right now and I think at level 8) so that I have a centralized place for early game stuff.  Putting points into one-handed and light armor so that I can run up and bash stuff in the face with a steel mace.  All of these one-handed upgrades will come in handy when I transition to leveling conjuration later in the game.  Also putting points into Smithing as quickly as I can so I can make some decent light armor.  That'll take a while but after I loot a Dwarven ruin or two, I should be able to level smithing and speech quite a bit.

Don't currently travel with a companion but that will change once I can either A) get Aela from the Companions or B) Get to Riften and find Mjoll.  Pretty sure I'll be marrying Mjoll if I have the opportunity so we can be the lesbian duo that saves Skyrim.

I got a 4k monitor a couple months back and holy crap does Skyrim look awesome on it.  I have the high res upgrade and a bunch of mods to the cities and towns and such that just make everything in the game look stunning.  I don't see why I wouldn't pick up this game in ten years and replay it due to how fantastic the graphics are.

There's a mod out there that gives a wider array of slow motion kill shots.  Might get that tonight.

A few notes:

  • Accidentally hitting caps lock is annoying.  Hopefully I stop that soon.
  • Price-to-Weight ratio is everything early on without a companion.
  • I won't get a carriage to drive me to Winterhold but I will fast travel from the market in Whiterun to the Dragon's Reach.
  • Merchants will only buy certain things.  Forgot about that.  It isn't like Fallout where I can just load down the town doctor with a bunch of junk in exchange for stimpaks.
  • Not having a house sucks.
  • Dragons are hard in the early game.  Another reason to find Mjoll or run through the Companions quests.  I have the More Dragons mod so exploring is a bit more treacherous early on as well.
Probably going to put a few more hours into this tonight.

 
TheAristocrat said:
Khaleesi spent a fair amount of time yesterday doing missions around Whiterun and selling everything to whomever would buy the junk.  The goal is to get the Whiterun house (I'm about 1000 gold short right now and I think at level 8) so that I have a centralized place for early game stuff.  Putting points into one-handed and light armor so that I can run up and bash stuff in the face with a steel mace.  All of these one-handed upgrades will come in handy when I transition to leveling conjuration later in the game.  Also putting points into Smithing as quickly as I can so I can make some decent light armor.  That'll take a while but after I loot a Dwarven ruin or two, I should be able to level smithing and speech quite a bit.

Don't currently travel with a companion but that will change once I can either A) get Aela from the Companions or B) Get to Riften and find Mjoll.  Pretty sure I'll be marrying Mjoll if I have the opportunity so we can be the lesbian duo that saves Skyrim.

I got a 4k monitor a couple months back and holy crap does Skyrim look awesome on it.  I have the high res upgrade and a bunch of mods to the cities and towns and such that just make everything in the game look stunning.  I don't see why I wouldn't pick up this game in ten years and replay it due to how fantastic the graphics are.

There's a mod out there that gives a wider array of slow motion kill shots.  Might get that tonight.

A few notes:

  • Accidentally hitting caps lock is annoying.  Hopefully I stop that soon.
  • Price-to-Weight ratio is everything early on without a companion.
  • I won't get a carriage to drive me to Winterhold but I will fast travel from the market in Whiterun to the Dragon's Reach.
  • Merchants will only buy certain things.  Forgot about that.  It isn't like Fallout where I can just load down the town doctor with a bunch of junk in exchange for stimpaks.
  • Not having a house sucks.
  • Dragons are hard in the early game.  Another reason to find Mjoll or run through the Companions quests.  I have the More Dragons mod so exploring is a bit more treacherous early on as well.
Probably going to put a few more hours into this tonight.
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:lmao:

I do that too. 

 
Curious about the mods.  If I get this on PS4, is it a matter of searching the PS store for mod names, or are there standard ones that come with the games, etc?  

I don't want to putz with a lot of stuff, but some of the things you guys have said seem like it would be a good idea to keep the multiple playthroughs a little fresher - make it harder to upgrade weapons/they pop up more on missions, more dragons, etc..   Never done mods for any games, so I didn't know what was involved. 

 
At least with PC it's just completely mix and match mods on your own. There are a lot of very popular ones that probably most people use. Can't say for sure with PS4 as they could implement any way they want. Could be much like PC or could be they bundle several together, or somewhere in between.

 
Decided I was tired of just churning quests to churn them. Started an Orc swordsman yesterday, but in my heart I'm a long range combatant. Played for a bit but then restarted as a High Elf mage. I normally go Breton for anything but melee, but figure I'll enjoy playing a traitor to the Thalmor this way.

 
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GregR said:
Started an Orc swordsman yesterday, but in my heart I'm a long range combatant. Played for a bit but then restarted as a High Elf mage.
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Yeah my Orc tank was a lot of fun - but it just wasn't "me". I have never finished the main quest or one of the civil war lines (I'm siding with the Empire) and I'm following thieves guild to completion (it glitched on me the one time I played it close to the end) and I'm doing this all as my sneaky archer assassin. I'm not able to one shot kill dragons yet, but I have one shot grounded one while it was sleeping and that was a huge milestone.

 
Yeah, I like killing things before they can get close enough to me to attack. Play the same way in Fallout.

Glad I switched to mage. I forgot how much fun it is to burn people with Flames. Especially with Daenerys alongside as a companion, both of us dual-casting them at the same time.

So, I forgot I have to toggle normal companions to unkillable, or else don't just sprint through swinging blade traps and thinking Faendal is going to survive it when he follows. Took me awhile to realize he wasn't with me and Daenerys anymore. Went back and found him, considered reloading but the truth is... I never really liked you that much, Faendal. 

 
GregR said:
Yeah, I like killing things before they can get close enough to me to attack. Play the same way in Fallout.

Glad I switched to mage. I forgot how much fun it is to burn people with Flames. Especially with Daenerys alongside as a companion, both of us dual-casting them at the same time.

So, I forgot I have to toggle normal companions to unkillable, or else don't just sprint through swinging blade traps and thinking Faendal is going to survive it when he follows. Took me awhile to realize he wasn't with me and Daenerys anymore. Went back and found him, considered reloading but the truth is... I never really liked you that much, Faendal. 
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I always went mage first because you can level it quickly.  Trying a new build this time around.

 
I spent some time last night monkeying in the Creation Kit. One thing I tried was to make Lynly Star-Sung into a follower (turned her into a mage) and also a spouse option with full general merchant inventory instead of innkeeper stuff. She's the one who plays the awesome instrumental at the Ivarstead inn.

Hit a frustrating issue. Spouse stuff worked, but when I got her set up to be a follower, she was picking up the extra companion dialogue options from the Ultimate Followers Overhaul mod. Things like telling them to participate in fights or be passive, or to not attack back if accidentally hit by a friend, etc. But she wasn't getting the basic follower dialogue like the one that lets you tell her to follow.

Finally googled a comment from someone that had a similar issue with a follower and it was the choice of voice for the character that was the issue. So I tried changing her voice and then sure enough it started showing up. I told her to follow, saved, changed her voice back, and the default dialogue choices for an active follower disappeared again, including the option to trade items with her. If she isn't sworn to carry my burdens she isn't much good to me as a follower. And I wanted to keep her with the Nord voice.

So now I'm a bit perplexed because Lynly uses the same voice as Mjoll does, and Mjoll works fine as a follower. Only thing I can think of is that the UFO scripts handle her specifically somehow. But the mod doesn't include the source scripts so I can look at them, just includes the compiled version needed by the game. You can click on a mod in the Creation Kit and get a list of all the forms it changes or adds, and all of the NPC followers are in there as having been edited in some fashion. But just trying to eyeball them in the vanilla file and in UFO, I can't spot any differences. I can understand why UFO's maker might not want to share his script source code for the mod, but man it's nice when people are open source about such things so the rest of us can work around issues like this.

Ah well. Lynly was just going to hold down a spot until I get back to the mage quests and unlock J'zargo. Still married her and now I have lute music to enjoy while I'm at home.

 
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Always hated how the lingering flames completely blind you after you get hit, but NPCs can target you fine while they are burning.  Just messed around in the Creation Kit and figured out how to reduce the lingering flame effect enough to let you see but still give you the impression of being roasted.

Also, was able to put an armor bench, anvil (forge), sharpening wheel and tanning station inside the Markarth house. Wanted a smelter as well and no way it would fit. But I found a nice big brick oven from Hearthfire and made a rewired copy it to give the smelter menu instead of the cooking menu.

 
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I began to be more bogged down by inventory that I had no place for so Khalessi needed to use a bunch of stamina potions to continue a beeline run to Winterhold (running from the More Dragons mod).  Dragon followed and wreaked havoc on the frozen city.  Queue Monty Python's "Sir Robin Ran Away."

Demonstrated enough skill to earn a place at the College.  Sure hope Mirabelle didn't mind me jumping my crotch into her face during the tour but I know how this ends so at least one witness can't testify. Unloaded a bunch of stuff in a secure area and cleared out a couple bandits camps.

Checked my grades from college and realized I could buy a house in Whiterun and didn't need this #### anymore.  As any below average college student, I needed three trips alone to run away from freshman year without my parents finding out.  Fingers crossed.

I didn't realize how crappy the Breezehome is without investment.  It'll do for now but its time to build my reputation in the community as well as level quickly as perks are key.  And upgrade this tiny ####hole.  Must have been a bank foreclosure.

 
I'm preloaded on XB1. 

Yea, different approach - first mod will be the one that allows a different beginning / backstory.

 
I'm on board with the remastered version, but I will not play it until the Macho Man dragon mod gets updated for it.  I cant even remember what the vanilla dragons sound like in this game.  

 
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If it's like the one on the i use on the pc not really a different backstory. 
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I think it's called Alternate Start and yeah there's no new backstory, at least nothing fleshed out.  It's mainly a way for you to skip the opening cart ride/Helgen part and jump into the game immediately.  

 
Scoresman said:
I think it's called Alternate Start and yeah there's no new backstory, at least nothing fleshed out.  It's mainly a way for you to skip the opening cart ride/Helgen part and jump into the game immediately.  
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Yeah that's it. You can start in the thieves guild or Dark brotherhood. If  you are playing as a Breton you can play as a Forsworn. If you start in the Dark brotherhood you can pick up the gear right away.

 
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For the PC Master Race, Nexus has already put up a special edition site for updated mods to get uploaded to.  I have no idea how console users get mods.

The Creation kit is not getting officially released until next week so a lot of mods wont update until then.  

 
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