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Girls HS Basketball Coach suspended after a win -- 161-2! (1 Viewer)

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SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. -- A Southern California high school basketball coach has been suspended and faces accusations of mercilessly running up the score after his team won a game 161-2, one of the most lopsided scores in state history.

Arroyo Valley High girls' coach Michael Anderson was suspended for two games after the victory last week against Bloomington High.

Anderson said that he wasn't trying to run up the score or embarrass the opposition. His team had won four previous games by at least 70 points, and Bloomington had already lost a game by 91.

"The game just got away from me," Anderson told the San Bernardino Sun on Friday. "I didn't play any starters in the second half. I didn't expect them to be that bad. I'm not trying to embarrass anybody."

He says if he had it to do again, he'd have played only reserves after the first quarter, or, "I wouldn't play the game at all."

But Bloomington coach Dale Chung says Arroyo Valley used a full-court press for the entire first half to lead 104-1 at halftime.

"People shouldn't feel sorry for my team," Chung said. "They should feel sorry for his team, which isn't learning the game the right way."

Anderson has served one game of the suspension, a game his team won 80-19 with his son Nick at the helm. He'll return after sitting out one more.

"He's a great X's and O's coach," Chung said. "Ethically? Not so much. He knows what he did was wrong."
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:lmao:

They suspended the wrong coach.

 
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I blame whoever scheduled the game.

I also think the Arroyo coach is sort of a jerk.

If I was the Bloomington coach I would have also done something to get suspended.

However, I don't think that coach should get suspended.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Raider Nation said:
I had Bloomington High +158.
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You musta taken it early. I got em at +159.5 rigth before tipoff. Thank god for that one girl throwing up that one lucky prayer from whereever she threw it up from for those 2 points.
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Free throws. They had 1 point at half.

Which brings to mind...how do they only make two free throws for an entire game where a team is playing press all half? You'd think there'd be more fouls...more free throws made.

As for the score...I guess he could've worked on passing and dribbling but geez.

 
tdoss said:
ghostguy123 said:
Raider Nation said:
I had Bloomington High +158.
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You musta taken it early. I got em at +159.5 rigth before tipoff. Thank god for that one girl throwing up that one lucky prayer from whereever she threw it up from for those 2 points.
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Free throws. They had 1 point at half.

Which brings to mind...how do they only make two free throws for an entire game where a team is playing press all half? You'd think there'd be more fouls...more free throws made.

As for the score...I guess he could've worked on passing and dribbling but geez.
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When I was a kid, some folks started a new youth sports group and I was in the first "class". When we moved up to 10-12 in hoops, we had no 12 year olds - all were either 10 or 11. We played an established club. Not only did THEY have 12 year olds (though I think one of them was 32), they had 12 year olds who were tall and good. We got beat 75-1. They didn't press us, but I bet we didn't get more than a dozen shots off the entire game that weren't blocked.

In HS, we beat a team something like 130-30. We pressed them the whole game (we pressed every team the whole game), which I thought was a #### move even at the time. Our worst player (me) was better than their best.

 
It must have been obvious after 1 minute this guy's starters were not going to get anything out of this game, and he still waits until the half to play his full second string? Imagine being the 12th player and getting 3 minutes in a 161 point win.

 
I can only imagine how uncomfortable that gym was during the last 3 quarters. It's bad enough when it's 30 pts but 100+ is insane.

 
one of the most lopsided scores in state history.
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What were the others?

Even without the full court press, apparently, the 2nd half score was 57-1, which comes to a mere 114-2.

I also think the refs could have called it a forfeit at half, when it was 104-1.

 
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AAABatteries said:
I can only imagine how uncomfortable that gym was during the last 3 quarters. It's bad enough when it's 30 pts but 100+ is insane.
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Closer to 200 than 100... No need for that...

I've coached and there are ways to handle this gracefully that would have resulted in a less one-sided score. Don't press; slow it down; more passing; only take outside shots, etc.

 
DropKick said:
AAABatteries said:
I can only imagine how uncomfortable that gym was during the last 3 quarters. It's bad enough when it's 30 pts but 100+ is insane.
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Closer to 200 than 100... No need for that...

I've coached and there are ways to handle this gracefully that would have resulted in a less one-sided score. Don't press; slow it down; more passing; only take outside shots, etc.
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Screw that. Pound them into submission. Maybe the losing kids will quit and find a sport better suited for them or figure out that their future is more likely to hinge on learning something at school.

 
The good thing that will come from this is that all the girls on the losing team will never play basketball again. I mean if the 91 point loss earlier in the season wasn't enough of a lesson, losing by 159 should pound it home. Go try another activity girls and as for the school, they need to stop scheduling powerhouse non league games. That's embarassing to the school, to the town and the whole school district.

 
During the first half of this game it was more than a bucket every 20 seconds. I've been on both ends of games like this. Just an uncomfortable situation for everyone involved.

 
Coaching basketball at a school for the blind has to be tough.

I sat through a 106-8 game, but how does a score like this happen? I would actually like to see some video from the game.

 
right after the game the coach posted this on his team's Facebook Page along with a photo of the scoreboard showing the final score: "They say hard work beats talent when talent don't work hard! But what happens when "TALENT DOES WORK HARD?" ARROYO VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS BASKETBALL------YOU KNOW!"

 
I have been on both ends of pretty big blow outs in basketball. I have helped coach my sons' teams for years, and you have just got to play your own game. We were up by 30 on a team and tried to slow the pace down, and play not to make it any worst, but in the end it only hurts the team in the lead. Play your own game and whatever happens ... happens. I don't really know what you can tell your team when you are playing your third stringers and they are still better than the other teams starters. Can't ask a kid not to score. Also, the refs can help by using a running scoreboard, even during timeouts and free throws.

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
I have been on both ends of pretty big blow outs in basketball. I have helped coach my sons' teams for years, and you have just got to play your own game. We were up by 30 on a team and tried to slow the pace down, and play not to make it any worst, but in the end it only hurts the team in the lead. Play your own game and whatever happens ... happens. I don't really know what you can tell your team when you are playing your third stringers and they are still better than the other teams starters. Can't ask a kid not to score. Also, the refs can help by using a running scoreboard, even during timeouts and free throws.
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CIF mandates running clock when the lead gets over 40 in the 4th. I don't know of anywhere that runs it for TOs though.

Unless you are one of the most athletic teams n the state (Arroyo is not) and you are going to be pressing everyone, you will need to work on your HC game. If you can't grind in the postseason your run is going to be short.

 
1) Game shouldn't have been scheduled (huge talent gaps in HS, especially on girls teams. The AD's should have known better)

2) Press should have been off after about 5 minutes (it was probably like 30-0 already with the losing team barely getting the ball over half court)

3) starters should have been out after the 1st quarter

Do #'s 2 and 3 and then mandate 7 or 8 passes each time down the court before a shot after half time. It probably would have still been like a 70-80 point blowout (if not worse) but at least you'd have a leg to stand on.

"That's just how we play" and "the game got away from me" is just total nonsense. If you're a decent coach with a team this talented, the "what do we do if we're blowing them out" scenario needs to be part of your mindset after like game # 2.

 
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Losing coach does deserve some of the blame. Still not sure how this score happens. A better strategy would have been to chuck up a shot from half court with everyone hustling back on the shot into a zone defense.

 
DropKick said:
AAABatteries said:
I can only imagine how uncomfortable that gym was during the last 3 quarters. It's bad enough when it's 30 pts but 100+ is insane.
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Closer to 200 than 100... No need for that...

I've coached and there are ways to handle this gracefully that would have resulted in a less one-sided score. Don't press; slow it down; more passing; only take outside shots, etc.
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My daughter is on a bad indoor soccer team that was behind something like 8-0 in a recent game. The opposing coach told his girls they could only score via headers in the second half... it made the girls on the bad team angrier that they were being pitied and losing 10-1 than it would have losing 16-0 straight-up.

 
What does the actual score matter? Blowouts in youth sports are commonplace.

Does anyone expect the backups NOT to try when they get on the floor?

When I was in 7th and 8th grade, we ran a full-court press the entire game. That was true whether the starters or backups were in the game. We did it because that's the style of play the coach favored, not because he wanted to run up the score.

And one more thing: the kids on the losing team will get a lot more benefit out of this than the kids on the winning team.

 
When I was in high school, our girl's team (which was bad) had to play the top team in the state (team was in our division). Friend made a bet with me. I had my high school +60! Thought I was good for getting another hundred off this guy.

For the entire second half of a 81-18 game, all you could hear was me in the crowd yelling SHOOOOOOOOT. The 18 points were lucky. If I remember correctly, they got 12 or so points from the line.

I've never gambled on women's sports since and that includes men's soccer.

 
TLEF316 said:
1) Game shouldn't have been scheduled (huge talent gaps in HS, especially on girls teams. The AD's should have known better)

2) Press should have been off after about 5 minutes (it was probably like 30-0 already with the losing team barely getting the ball over half court)

3) starters should have been out after the 1st quarter

Do #'s 2 and 3 and then mandate 7 or 8 passes each time down the court before a shot after half time. It probably would have still been like a 70-80 point blowout (if not worse) but at least you'd have a leg to stand on.

"That's just how we play" and "the game got away from me" is just total nonsense. If you're a decent coach with a team this talented, the "what do we do if we're blowing them out" scenario needs to be part of your mindset after like game # 2.
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This.

Lots of Neanderthal replies in this thread...

 
WhatDoIKnow said:
Losing coach does deserve some of the blame. Still not sure how this score happens. A better strategy would have been to chuck up a shot from half court with everyone hustling back on the shot into a zone defense.
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When a team is scoring quicker than every 20 seconds it likely means the ball wasn't getting to half court. More likely the losing team wasn't getting the ball past 3/4 court, or even successfully inbounding the ball.

 
"The game just got away from me," Anderson told the San Bernardino Sun on Friday. "I didn't play any starters in the second half. I didn't expect them to be that bad. I'm not trying to embarrass anybody."

But Bloomington coach Dale Chung says Arroyo Valley used a full-court press for the entire first half to lead 104-1 at halftime.

"People shouldn't feel sorry for my team," Chung said. "They should feel sorry for his team, which isn't learning the game the right way."

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Jackass still pressing . Chung seems to get it

 
I'm confused. This is Girls basketball, right? So how is his son starting?

"Anderson has served one game of the suspension, a game his team won 80-19 with his son Nick at the helm. He'll return after sitting out one more."

 
Coach of the winning team may be an ### but he shouldn't have been suspended. Now the coach of the losing team, what are you doing man? What have you exactly been coaching all year? I do feel sorry for your team. Sorry they have such an incompetent fool for a coach. Hr should be fired.

 
I am torn here. I think running up the score is ridiculous, but I also think complete charity is ridiculous. I think the bottom line here is that this game should have never been scheduled. The losing coach has no right to be upset, since he could have easily forfeited if he cared so much about his team not getting crushed.

I think the starters should have been out after 5 minutes. I think the press should have been off after a quarter. Otherwise not much else you can do.

I hate when you have a huge lead and then basically just try to run out the clock and then the other team is still going full tilt. I have had players get plowed over while we were passing it around the perimeter and then forced to miss the next practice because of concussion rules.

You cant have it both ways when you are the losing team. If you expect the winning team to take their foot off the gas, you kind of have to do the same and acknowledge it is charity for the sake of the score not getting out of hand and let the seconds tick away.

 
Insein said:
Coach of the winning team may be an ### but he shouldn't have been suspended. Now the coach of the losing team, what are you doing man? What have you exactly been coaching all year? I do feel sorry for your team. Sorry they have such an incompetent fool for a coach. Hr should be fired.
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It's the Jims and the Joes not the exes and ohs Chief.

 
Insein said:
Coach of the winning team may be an ### but he shouldn't have been suspended. Now the coach of the losing team, what are you doing man? What have you exactly been coaching all year? I do feel sorry for your team. Sorry they have such an incompetent fool for a coach. Hr should be fired.
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Clueless
 
Maybe the losing team gets money for playing the better teams. I never knew this happened until I watched a documentary of a Southern HD football team. They made upwards of 10,000 for getting blown out.

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
I have been on both ends of pretty big blow outs in basketball. I have helped coach my sons' teams for years, and you have just got to play your own game. We were up by 30 on a team and tried to slow the pace down, and play not to make it any worst, but in the end it only hurts the team in the lead. Play your own game and whatever happens ... happens. I don't really know what you can tell your team when you are playing your third stringers and they are still better than the other teams starters. Can't ask a kid not to score. Also, the refs can help by using a running scoreboard, even during timeouts and free throws.
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Except if you have a team totally outmanned, you call of the dogs. In other words, don't do a full court press. That's where he crossed the line.

 
Once it's, like.... 70-0 in the 1st half and the coach is still pressing, I'd let them score without any resistance AND I'd throw it right to the other team when inbounding the ball. Let them win 900-0. That would really make the coach feel special!

 
Raider Nation said:
Once it's, like.... 70-0 in the 1st half and the coach is still pressing, I'd let them score without any resistance AND I'd throw it right to the other team when inbounding the ball. Let them win 900-0. That would really make the coach feel special!
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:goodposting:

The team that won has no concept of sportsmanship - that is supposed to be one of the primary benefits to sports. The game also could not have served as any useful practice as the losing team clearly could not have provided any resistance - would have been a better game if the winning team played against its second string.

 
But is it sportsmanship then to put all the backups in, wind the clock to 7 left before shooting and not pressing in the second half? Yea he could have stopped pressing after the first quarter but would it have made a difference. He could have told his girls to dribble the clock out and hand it to the ref.

What's more insulting? Destroying a team that has no business playing the sport let alone the game or taking "pity" on a team and saying we don't even need to play anymore to beat you still by 70?

 
Insein said:
But is it sportsmanship then to put all the backups in, wind the clock to 7 left before shooting and not pressing in the second half? Yea he could have stopped pressing after the first quarter but would it have made a difference. He could have told his girls to dribble the clock out and hand it to the ref.

What's more insulting? Destroying a team that has no business playing the sport let alone the game or taking "pity" on a team and saying we don't even need to play anymore to beat you still by 70?
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The first. Why the need to "destroy" a team that knows it is not in the same competition level as the winning team?

 
Sinn Fein said:
Insein said:
But is it sportsmanship then to put all the backups in, wind the clock to 7 left before shooting and not pressing in the second half? Yea he could have stopped pressing after the first quarter but would it have made a difference. He could have told his girls to dribble the clock out and hand it to the ref.

What's more insulting? Destroying a team that has no business playing the sport let alone the game or taking "pity" on a team and saying we don't even need to play anymore to beat you still by 70?
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The first. Why the need to "destroy" a team that knows it is not in the same competition level as the winning team?
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I've been on the bad side of those beatings. Way worse when the other team starts back if off and wasting clock. If they keep playing and we can't stop them, it just makes me mad at our team.

 
As many have said, pressing is ridiculous. Offense is a bit tricky because you don't want to just play four corners. The other team wants to dribble and shoot, too.

I'd like to see the Arroyo girls team play the Bloomington boys team. That would be a fun grudge match. Going by nothing other than the results of the girls game, I'd guess it'd be a competitive game with a ton of bad blood.

 
In this Era of everyone gets a trophy generation, I can't believe the parent's didn't pull their kids off the court. My little Sarah will never get over this embarrassment, and she will not play in a game against better competition.

I would have a hard time letting my kid continue to play in a game when they are losing by 50, 75, 100, 125, 150 points.

 
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