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Frostillicus said:
First time I went to Fenway I was all like oh man this rules Ty Cobb played here and stuff like that and the history and seeing the Green Monster in person (Ian Kinsler jacked one over it for the Rangers) was fantastic for a baseball nerd. The second I went I was like man this place is a dump.
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What makes Fenway and Wrigley dumps?

I have been to Three Rivers Stadium and PNC Park (live in the Pittsburgh area) Old Yankee Stadium, Baltimore's Memorial Stadium and Camden Yards, Cleveland's Old Municipal Stadium, Old Tiger Stadium, Coors Field and Old Durham Athletic Park.

While the old fields/stadiums/parks don't have the newness and updated amenities, they have age, history and character.

 
kevzilla said:
krista4 said:
Out of curiosity, are you TX people in here Rangers or Astros fans?

I'm thinking of buying WS tickets right now in the event the Cubs make it, but will not be buying in Chicago where the current getting-in-the-door price is $2400 per ticket.
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Take your pick, I think. Cos and Ig and I are Astros fans, bentley (and Uni and Stu, I think) are Rangers fans.
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Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, I was cheering on the Rangers when Uni wasn't even a twinkle in his homeless father's eye. I dressed up as Buddy Bell for Halloween one year.

 
GroveDiesel said:
My boss at my previous employer is 86 years old now. He was a vice President of Philadelphia Life way back in the day and started his own retirement business about 40 years ago. Great guy, old fashioned man of his word type guy. Very loyal. His wife left him about 30 years ago even though he not only worked, but came home and cooked dinner and paid for a housekeeper. Thanks to NJ divorce laws back then and a judge who didn't exactly like men, he got crushed in the divorce. His kids took his side through the whole thing.

Anyway, the business has pretty much been his life since then. My MIL works for him and when she had a stroke almost 2 years ago, he kept her on the insurance despite her not working. She's now back part time and he still pays her full insurance premium.

Found out he's retiring and most likely selling the business to his VP (there's 4 employees including the owner and my MIL). His one condition is the VP keep my MIL on the insurance for 2 years.

I've always said that if he ever decided to sell the company that he would be dead within a year. Pretty much all of his friends are dead and all of his brothers and sisters he was close to are dead as well. His granddaughter lives thousands of miles away. Bummed to find out that he's decided that when he sells the company he's going to finish out his meds and then just not refill them. :( Said he is lonely and goes days without talking to anyone if he doesn't go into the office. Getting that old has to suck if you don't have a lot of family around to spend time with you.
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Damn. Seems like a really nice guy.

I shared the story about my old neighbor Tex who died a year ago. He was more than ready to go but wanted to hang on to make sure his wife (who had a severe stroke, breast cancer and a whole host of health issues, but hung on) was taken care of. He was talking to me one day and went through all of life's heartbreaks he suffered. At the end I said, "But c'mon Tex, you'd do it all over again, right?". He said ominously "I.....I don't know that I would". Kind of bummed me out. RIP Tex.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Aerial Assault said:
Also, as someone who's been to every MLB stadium at least once, the remaining five stadiums are all pretty nice, even the SkyDome which needs a renovation. Dodger Stadium and Kauffman are among the class of the league, and Wrigley is Wrigley. I am ambivalent about New Shea but they did a nice job with the Robinson rotunda and the amenities.
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Woah, no ####? That's awesome. I've been to about half I think. but I'm also more minor league park centric. I've been to 50+ minor league parks. :thumbup: (Clearwater is my favorite, Dow Diamond 2nd).

Agree on Doyer Stadium, I think it is at least Wrigley's equal. The new Shea (been there) looks like Nats park, pretty cookie-cutter for me.

Not sure if I want to go to every park but my top five is...

1. PacBell (SF, whatever they call it now)

2. Kaufmann Stadium (KC)

3. Minnesota and Frosty are supergay Stadium (NTTATWWT)

4. Petco (SD)

5. Coors Field

Never been to Fenway, don't care to ever go. I grew up with Tiger Stadium (and went to old Yankee stadium) and I hate the Red Sox, no real draw for me there. Don't care to ever go to Arizona, Miami, Tampa, or Oakland.

Tons of minor league parks I want to see, like 30 I can think of.
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No, no ####. When I was younger my dad and I took lots of trips to see tons of parks and we got really close to all 28, which I think was the number back then . . . and then right after my college years, Camden was built and then of course every place had to have a Camden Clone, so I "lost" loads of the parks on my list. Been making it up ever since and have hit 30/30 twice now, first with Nats Park, then I lost two with the new stadia in Miami and Minny, but I got those in the last couple of seasons.

Stupid stat Frosty might enjoy: I have actually been to the last THREE parks in Minneapolis for Twins games. And I don't live there and am not 120 years old. More of a comment on the stadium-building craze than anything else.

I can see why you'd want to skip the Coliseum in Oakland and Tropicana in St. Petersburg. I went to Oakland years and years ago and I don't think they've done much with it since. As for "the Trop," I usually like MLB parks because they're cathedrals and all that, but that one is unimpressive in the extreme. No atmosphere and just concrete everywhere, including the turf apparently. And the fans.

People saying Fenway is a dump are just not people I'm going to agree with on that point and that's fine. Going there is magical. It's also been renovated.

On your list, DD, I would say go the Kauffman for sure, it's beautiful. The stadium in SF (I just call it Pac Park to take the almighty buck and multiple renamings out of it) is really nice. Walk along the right field section above the Cove during the game to see the characters waiting in boats for a splash hit. Target Field is very nice; I would liken it to Comerica (also very nice) in some ways. Padres Park (again, can't bring myself with the greed and we generally hate Petco) is really cool but despite proximity I have only been there three times and I have a feeling I might get tired of it if I went more often. The location is unbeatable. Rude or whoever mentioned the crap fans is right on. Coors Field did not impress me and I was shocked. I just thought they did nothing with it and built a facsimile of Camden without the character and with a huge frigging outfield. BUT I have not been there in 15 years, so they may have made some changes or I was just wrong. I would like to go back and see.

Some of the top ones on my list that might surprise people are Miller Park and Safeco, both of which I've been lucky enough to go to twice. They are architecturally amazing structures and manage to have a great baseball atmosphere too. And on the second visit to each, about a decade later in each case, I was still impressed, so they're handling upkeep well.

 
Stoneys said:
Frostillicus said:
First time I went to Fenway I was all like oh man this rules Ty Cobb played here and stuff like that and the history and seeing the Green Monster in person (Ian Kinsler jacked one over it for the Rangers) was fantastic for a baseball nerd. The second I went I was like man this place is a dump.
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What makes Fenway and Wrigley dumps?

I have been to Three Rivers Stadium and PNC Park (live in the Pittsburgh area) Old Yankee Stadium, Baltimore's Memorial Stadium and Camden Yards, Cleveland's Old Municipal Stadium, Old Tiger Stadium, Coors Field and Old Durham Athletic Park.

While the old fields/stadiums/parks don't have the newness and updated amenities, they have age, history and character.
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Right, and that's why Fenway was awesome to go to the first time.

 
Aerial Assault said:
Stupid stat Frosty might enjoy: I have actually been to the last THREE parks in Minneapolis for Twins games. And I don't live there and am not 120 years old.
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Rules.

And going to a game at Fenway is a great experience. The park itself is a dump, but it's 200 years old or whatever and I don't think they need to tear it down or anything like that. I just never need to go again.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Frostillicus said:
Oh, and I was surprised how much I liked Dodger Stadium, considering how old it is.
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Dodger Stadium sucks balls because it is full of Dodger fans.
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There's regrettably some truth in this. I try to imagine the stadium as empty or empty of d-bags (may be the same thing) when we go.

GM, they've replaced some of the seats at Fenway, but yeah, if you want a comfortable seat, those aren't the droids you're looking for. :shrug: However, the rest of the park's infrastructure has been substantially revamped and the neighborhood has been revitalized. It stands as a monument to 100+ years of baseball history and a rebuttal to the wailings that "we must have a new park to survive." (As to the latter, Kauffman offers the same rebuttal on a small-market scale.)

 
Frostillicus said:
Aerial Assault said:
Stupid stat Frosty might enjoy: I have actually been to the last THREE parks in Minneapolis for Twins games. And I don't live there and am not 120 years old.
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Rules.

And going to a game at Fenway is a great experience. The park itself is a dump, but it's 200 years old or whatever and I don't think they need to tear it down or anything like that. I just never need to go again.
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We just had friends who lived in the MSP burbs when I was a kid so we visited in what I think was the last year of the stadium in Bloomington (I'm blanking and don't want to look it up - the Met?) where the MOA is now. Then I saw a game at the Metrodome in the early 2000s, and went to Target two summers ago. Just an accident of timing but again all the stadium-building is kind of silly in some ways.

I get what you're saying about Fenway. If you're not a Red Sox fan you may not need to go more than once.

 
Fenway just seems small and intimate so all the seats are really close. Sucks that the beer vendors don't come to you though.

 
I saw the Brewers play in 1996 when they were in the AL. Can't remember the name of the stadium, but it was.....charming. Good sausage, IIRC.

Saw a few Padre games before they played in Petco, I think. Jack Murphy Stadium?

Oakland A's game was cool because I sat behind home plate and enjoyed the fries and local beer (Bierch?), but the stadium is a dump and there is NOTHING around it. Don't stay after dark too long. Kinda Memphisy.

Saw my Rangers play at the Kingdome once. Loudest place I've ever been. Just deafening. Safeco is a marvel by comparison. Gorgeous park.

Comerica in Detroit is really cool. Got to watch Verlander warm up right in front of me for his MVP season.

New BallPark in Arlington is pretty nice, but anything is an upgrade over the awful Arlington Stadium. But, I fondly remember paying $2 for outfield seats and sneaking in warm Miller Lites as a teenager.

Fenway was an awesome experience. So many cool people, great bars, just a great atmosphere.

BASEBALL CHAT!

 
General Malaise said:
I saw the Brewers play in 1996 when they were in the AL. Can't remember the name of the stadium, but it was.....charming. Good sausage, IIRC.

Saw a few Padre games before they played in Petco, I think. Jack Murphy Stadium?

Oakland A's game was cool because I sat behind home plate and enjoyed the fries and local beer (Bierch?), but the stadium is a dump and there is NOTHING around it. Don't stay after dark too long. Kinda Memphisy.
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Milwaukee: County Stadium. I had the same experience you did. Miller retained all of that feel and is structurally amazing. Arguably the most impressive of all of the parks built from Camden (1992) forward. I might even rank it above Camden.

San Diego: Yup, Jack Murphy Stadium. It's still there: it's the park the Chargers are playing in and desperately trying to abandon to come up here to Los Angeles. Qualcomm slapped their name on it ages ago.

Oakland: exactly. My dad and I went to a night game and he's a pretty cool customer but I think he was nervous walking back to the car. That was like 25 years ago. No idea if they've improved conditions since.

 
General Malaise said:
I saw the Brewers play in 1996 when they were in the AL. Can't remember the name of the stadium, but it was.....charming. Good sausage, IIRC.
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Milwaukee County Stadium. It was pretty much a dump, but holds some nostalgia for me. I have the chance to relive some of it anytime Major League comes on, though.

 
Thorn said:
General Malaise said:
Dan Lambskin said:
I assume Fenway is a huge dump like Wrigley?

Both need to be torn down and replaced IMO
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I liked my experiences at Fenway, but those seats were built for small people of the early 1900s and not bloated obese people of the modern era. It's like sitting in a pre-school chair for 3 hours.
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Huh. Never noticed.
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Do your feet touch the floor?

 
Thorn said:
General Malaise said:
Dan Lambskin said:
I assume Fenway is a huge dump like Wrigley?

Both need to be torn down and replaced IMO
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I liked my experiences at Fenway, but those seats were built for small people of the early 1900s and not bloated obese people of the modern era. It's like sitting in a pre-school chair for 3 hours.
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Huh. Never noticed.
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:lmao:

NOT EVERYBODY IS BUILT LIKE A KEEBLER ELF!!!!!!!!!!

 
PNC is just a masterpiece. I'm not sure there's another park that captures the true city, not just a certain neighborhood, from the seats quite like PNC does.

 
Limp Ditka said:
PNC is just a masterpiece. I'm not sure there's another park that captures the true city, not just a certain neighborhood, from the seats quite like PNC does.
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I definitely want to check it out one day. I walked all around the Giants stadium in SFO but didn't get to see a game there. It is spectacular and perhaps captures the essence of its city too.

 
Oh, and of the newer ballparks..... Let's say last 10-15 years, I see Busch as a monumental failure. I found it sterile and boring.

 
Limp Ditka said:
PNC is just a masterpiece. I'm not sure there's another park that captures the true city, not just a certain neighborhood, from the seats quite like PNC does.
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I agree with this (Cleveland does as well as does Camden). I think Pac Park in SF would do the same if it faced the city instead of the Bay, but I understand why they oriented it that way.

 
The brother of a friend holds the Guiness World Record for attending a game in all 30 MLB stadiums in the shortest amount of time. He watched a game in every MLB stadium in 23 days. Wrote a book about the experience too.

 
Aerial Assault said:
Limp Ditka said:
PNC is just a masterpiece. I'm not sure there's another park that captures the true city, not just a certain neighborhood, from the seats quite like PNC does.
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I agree with this (Cleveland does as well as does Camden). I think Pac Park in SF would do the same if it faced the city instead of the Bay, but I understand why they oriented it that way.
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Having batters facing west (especially on the west coast) isn't a great idea.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
I've never met anyone who's been to ATT Park and didn't rave about it.
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it is in the perfect spot and fits the city to a tee. is there anything better than arriving to a game via ferry? along the embarcadero.......trolleys. putting the stadium in the city, downtown and feeling the energy is not an easy accomplishment, but they pulled it off.

 
I went to Anaheim stadium last year and it was the polar opposite of att/PacBell. typical circle in the middle of a giant parking lot, in the middle of nowhere.

very shea-like.

 
Chemical X said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
I've never met anyone who's been to ATT Park and didn't rave about it.
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it is in the perfect spot and fits the city to a tee. is there anything better than arriving to a game via ferry? along the embarcadero.......trolleys. putting the stadium in the city, downtown and feeling the energy is not an easy accomplishment, but they pulled it off.
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My uncle keeps his boat at South Beach Harbor. Their parking lot is maybe 200 feet from centerfield. If any of us are going to a Giants game all we have to do is swing by my Uncle's place and pick up his parking pass. WALA

 
Chemical X said:
I went to Anaheim stadium last year and it was the polar opposite of att/PacBell. typical circle in the middle of a giant parking lot, in the middle of nowhere.

very shea-like.
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Very mid-60s, suburban shopping mall feeling to it. You could almost imagine a Sears Portrait Studio over by the bullpen or a Miller's Outpost in deep left.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Chemical X said:
I went to Anaheim stadium last year and it was the polar opposite of att/PacBell. typical circle in the middle of a giant parking lot, in the middle of nowhere.

very shea-like.
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Very mid-60s, suburban shopping mall feeling to it. You could almost imagine a Sears Portrait Studio over by the bullpen or a Miller's Outpost in deep left.
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the 3 rivers, riverfront, veterans, busch stadium feel.....

 
I used to always want to go to the old Tigers stadium... loved the look of it, even if I'm sure those columns were a little... in the way.

 
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