GM's thread about nothing (51 Viewers)

[Bob Sacamano]

This bull#### just reminds me how people here are iFriends and nothing more. Great to joke with but actually don't give a #### when it comes down to it. Thanks for that. THAT gives me some perspective. Good to know.

Wow, that hurts. I know I'm not alone here.Hope you find peace with your situation soon.

Just don't turn around.

 

[SofaKings]

This bull#### just reminds me how people here are iFriends and nothing more. Great to joke with but actually don't give a #### when it comes down to it. Thanks for that. THAT gives me some perspective. Good to know.

Wow, that hurts. I know I'm not alone here.Hope you find peace with your situation soon.

 

[Abraham]

K4,Take a deep breath. Last night there were 50 conversations going on in here and it is likely some of the responses coming your way were delayed until this morning. A stressful job situation - for any reason - sucks. Life is too short, so we have to find the strength to change things or fix them or at least try. I think it is admirable that you don't want to screw over the people working around you. But I think you might want to realize that they are screwed no matter what. They can either be screwed next week or In two months. Do you really think its going to stabilize for them in two months but wouldn't for you? And I promise you - PROmISe - that as valuable as you are and as good of a worker as you are, the office will go right on if you fall over with a panic attack heart attack stroke nervous breakdown. You need to shorten your notice. Make it a month or three weeks or something where you can mark the days and see the light at the end of the tunnel. You want to be strong? How is this for strong: you owe it to yourself to be sane more than you owe it to some **** smack to keep the ship on course for two more months. He is right, you aren't quoting in two months because he has seen this before: if it were bad enough to quit you would quit now. He's counting on you coming around because he has seen it before. Misery followed by acceptance followed by more of the same. 1. Shorten your notice. 2. Give the people here a chance to react before getting mad and storming off. They DO care about your well being and will offer support. They just need to get some Ebert jokes out of their systems first. 3. Come to Austin. If for no other reason then to meet cos's two adorable and overly energetic poodles.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Hoop Dreams revolutionized the doc gameWouldn't be a Waiting for Superman without Hoop Dreams

SureI guess I'm in the minority here, but after watching Hoop Dreams I don't have the thought "wow, that was incredible". Or "my God, we need to change what we are doing as a society". It's considered one of the greatest movies of all time by critics. Maybe THE greatest doc. Overrated.

You are also watching this film nearly 20 years after it was made, so you've had two decades to watch comparable documentaries, many of which profile inner-city American life or perhaps have more profound and successful conclusions. This movie was groundbreaking stuff back in 1994. White affluent Americans were introduced to a segment of the population that had little to no exposure, save for crime reports or the occasional drive-by with the windows up and the doors locked. This film thrust us into the lives of poor kids whose families made incredible sacrifices so their children could have a shot at a better life and maximize their athletic abilities. This wasn't a Hollywood depiction of race issues, economic division or cultural divide; it was the real thing. Roger Ebert called it the film of the 90s...high praise.

This almost seems written by someone else, perhaps due to the absence of misspellings? In any case,

I was shocked too after googling it turned up nothing. GM hiring a ghost writer now?

GM is a ghost writer/heyyooo

 

[wikkidpissah]

Thanks for the kind words from a few of you. Also thanks to proninja for Facebooking with me last night and being a good friend. To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.I cried for hours last night, but it was only the worst of many such incidents since around Thanksgiving. I've never felt so on the verge of a complete and total meltdown. I'm being held together with tiny bits of string and maybe some well-chewed pieces of gum. I came here hoping for some support.I've lived my life in a way where the worst possible thing you can say to me is that I'm not independent or that I need anyone or anything. Being "needy" is to me the worst quality a person can have. That's not a fun way to live, really, but it's how I'm wired. So, not having practiced a lot of asking for things, it's probably inevitable that when I get to such a point that I have to reach out for help, I do it in the wrong way, or in a way where my need is not evidenced clearly. In that respect I can't blame anyone for not giving support or showing compassion, which they probably assume I don't need.I don't give a flying #### about getting this March 15 bonus. I would quit this morning, but it would screw over a large number of people if I did. I spend a lot more time caring about others than taking care of myself, and despite my many, many bad qualities, selfishness is not among them. My nature continues to be that I'll #### over myself rather than other people. I don't mean that as some martyr shtick--I truly believe it's a terrible, messed-up quality that I have. And so, I'll go along for the next two months, and expect that I have a better than 50% chance of ending up dead or in the hospital before March 31.Before I go (and perhaps I'll post again some day--who knows--and I'll certainly be lurking), I wanted to say that Leeroy Jenkins, who rarely posts here and most of you don't know very well, was the person (along with Mr. krista) who ultimately convinced me to go to coshole (which obviously I no longer intend to do). So thanks to him for being a caring friend as well. He's a great guy who y'all should get to know better.ETA: Sorry for Gustering.

hell, i neither post in this thread nor like you anymore, k4, but i care about you and its because you made me care. Krista, you're a force for interest & excellence and care around here for being the best kind of advertisement for humanity - someone who can go toe-to-toe & heart-to-heart with equal vigor. you're a force for quality because you insist on doing everything with an appetite and that requires more from a world which needs more required from it. you're a force because you care to touch lives so you do, even if some may feel theyve been touched more by a tornado than a person. you're a force who might be happier if she didnt feel the need to be a force so often. a force for equanimity, quietude & gentility is still a force. an appetite for balance, solace & forbearance is just as much an appetite. ABSOLUTELY none of my busines, but there it is. go in peace -

 

[Gadzooks]

Now wait just a ### #### minute. I know I'm not as personally involved with this thread and those in it, but I've read a hell of a lot of it. I've seen plenty of genuine support in here, and if you don't think people like GM, SLB, Cos, etc.. care and would genuinely be concerned for you then 'caring about others too much' isn't your biggest flaw. Maybe people were a little taken aback and didn't know exactly how to react to your post. Tough, independent chick showing emotion is a tough one for most men to navigate. Maybe some of us were offline last night and didn't have a chance to offer support. And yes maybe there is a twinge of truth to Tannerfossil's post that it is difficult for some of us to understand that a clearly talented, marketable, successful person with several apparent opportunities on the horizon might still be going through some serious shlit and need an ear or shoulder. We get it now. I'm sure everyone feels crappy that you feel underappreciated. So for the group I say "sorry". Truly. Now get off your high fooking horse, get your hiney to Austin, give everyone a hug, drink a beer and get over it.Thinking of you,CQ

That almost got by me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

K4,Take a deep breath. Last night there were 50 conversations going on in here and it is likely some of the responses coming your way were delayed until this morning. A stressful job situation - for any reason - sucks. Life is too short, so we have to find the strength to change things or fix them or at least try. I think it is admirable that you don't want to screw over the people working around you. But I think you might want to realize that they are screwed no matter what. They can either be screwed next week or In two months. Do you really think its going to stabilize for them in two months but wouldn't for you? And I promise you - PROmISe - that as valuable as you are and as good of a worker as you are, the office will go right on if you fall over with a panic attack heart attack stroke nervous breakdown. You need to shorten your notice. Make it a month or three weeks or something where you can mark the days and see the light at the end of the tunnel. You want to be strong? How is this for strong: you owe it to yourself to be sane more than you owe it to some **** smack to keep the ship on course for two more months. He is right, you aren't quoting in two months because he has seen this before: if it were bad enough to quit you would quit now. He's counting on you coming around because he has seen it before. Misery followed by acceptance followed by more of the same. 1. Shorten your notice. 2. Give the people here a chance to react before getting mad and storming off. They DO care about your well being and will offer support. They just need to get some Ebert jokes out of their systems first. 3. Come to Austin. If for no other reason then to meet cos's two adorable and overly energetic poodles.

Before doing the whole shorten notice thing, I'd initiate a conversation with your boss about succession planning. It will show that you're serious this time. It will show that you care about how things proceed after you're gone. It might also provide you with some mental and emotional relief. It will make leaving more concrete and real. And if your replacement will come from within the company (which seems doubtful in today's corporate environment, but it's a consideration), it might even provide you with a necessary outlet.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And see if you can get an elliptical machine moved into your office. Stress and peanut butter cracker relief all in one.

 

[guru_007]

Good morning everyone!{{group hug}}Hope you all have a very nice day.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So, Leeroy Jenkins. First of all, how are you?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

 

[phishphan]

Thanks for the support, #######s.

If it makes you feel better, I was going to ask if your tears had gravy in them, but I thought that was probably insensitive due to your fragile emotional state.

White or brown?Sorry, I've been in the South too long.

you mean to tell me that the entire country doesn't have both?!? which one are they missing out on?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Haven't checked in for awhile. Has Krista gotten that bonus yet?

 

[Mr.Pack]

I just sobbed for about two hours straight about my job. HINT: I'm not a crier. I really don't know what to do. Tears about to flow again.I don't know what to do.

:hug:It'll all work out.... Follow your gut. Gut instinct is what you should follow and hope that syncs with your heart.I have no clue if that even makes sense.Sorry, all i got.

 

[phishphan]

It's awesome being an admin and just editing people's posts to say awful things just to f with someone, because you can't really ban them because people find that person entertaining, yet you have to do something to #### with them.

One of my favorite activities to do over there

 

[Abraham]

My updateDRINKING and BOOZE

Spoiler

I've curtailed my alcohol intake substantially. I haven't much missed the drinking and usually need only a bit of willpower between 5 and 7 to shut it down. Last week I didn't drink at all Monday or Tuesday, had 2 glasses of wine wednesday, 2 beers on thursday and 2 beers on friday. Went to a competition BBQ event Saturday so the wife and i both drank quite a bit. Nothing on sunday. 4 small beers at applebees with my brother after work yesterday. The big component for me is having these drinks and then stopping. My old mode would be to drink until I went to bed and I've avoided that on every day but saturday. I feel better when I go to sleep and I'm apparently not snoring as bad either, so that's good. My wife has noticed, which is also good.

COMPANY

Spoiler

Man, it is SLOW. My salesperson knows the direness of the situation and I'm sure she is as stressed as I am. I've talked with colleagues and the entire industry is slow right now...we just don't have the cash runway anymore to see it through. We are trying to book business and have quoted some things but I'm doing one or two quotes a day when I'm used to doing 5 or 6.

JOB HUNT

Spoiler

Finally getting some traction here. A large company where I would like to work already wants to have me in for an interview. I have submitted my resume to 24 open postings. I've been turned down for one, 20 remain "Resume Acknowledged" status, and three are in "Under Consideration." My brother - who is in HR at that company - says that he is surprised I've already been moved to "Consideration" status as their hiring wheels turn slow. i reached out to a recruiter via linked in yesterday and she already wants to have me in for an interview. The position is one that I'd like a lot (technical support of sales, basically being an "expert" on specific products to support inside sales reps instead of carrying my own accounts) but the level she wants to talk to me about is the 2 year experience range instead of the next level up, which is 6-8 years experience. I'm going to email her this morning to make sure we are on the same page as I have 10 years of high tech hardware sales experience to go with two years of marketing and 6 years of sales management. The last thing I want to do (I CAN'T do) is take a job that's $10k/year below where I need to be. The compensation at this company is likely to be 80-85 in a best case. My wife and I have talked a lot about the money and she is very supportive of me. She seems to think (and I agree) that with my resume and vast work history I should try and get a job with a 90k base at least. I know that is hard to find in sales. But my entire professional life I have never made much money. As recently as a decade ago I had W2's with 40k earnings. I have a hard time valuing myself as the kind of person that takes home 100k a year, but I agree with her that I need to give myself a chance to get a job like that. Making that much money would truly be a life changing event for us and I have to remember that this is my opportunity to make it happen. I don't want to get stuck at a job making less and spend the next few years struggling still.

 

[Disco Stu]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

 

[Kal El]

My updateDRINKING and BOOZE

Spoiler

I've curtailed my alcohol intake substantially. I haven't much missed the drinking and usually need only a bit of willpower between 5 and 7 to shut it down. Last week I didn't drink at all Monday or Tuesday, had 2 glasses of wine wednesday, 2 beers on thursday and 2 beers on friday. Went to a competition BBQ event Saturday so the wife and i both drank quite a bit. Nothing on sunday. 4 small beers at applebees with my brother after work yesterday. The big component for me is having these drinks and then stopping. My old mode would be to drink until I went to bed and I've avoided that on every day but saturday. I feel better when I go to sleep and I'm apparently not snoring as bad either, so that's good. My wife has noticed, which is also good.

COMPANY

Spoiler

Man, it is SLOW. My salesperson knows the direness of the situation and I'm sure she is as stressed as I am. I've talked with colleagues and the entire industry is slow right now...we just don't have the cash runway anymore to see it through. We are trying to book business and have quoted some things but I'm doing one or two quotes a day when I'm used to doing 5 or 6.

JOB HUNT

Spoiler

Finally getting some traction here. A large company where I would like to work already wants to have me in for an interview. I have submitted my resume to 24 open postings. I've been turned down for one, 20 remain "Resume Acknowledged" status, and three are in "Under Consideration." My brother - who is in HR at that company - says that he is surprised I've already been moved to "Consideration" status as their hiring wheels turn slow. i reached out to a recruiter via linked in yesterday and she already wants to have me in for an interview. The position is one that I'd like a lot (technical support of sales, basically being an "expert" on specific products to support inside sales reps instead of carrying my own accounts) but the level she wants to talk to me about is the 2 year experience range instead of the next level up, which is 6-8 years experience. I'm going to email her this morning to make sure we are on the same page as I have 10 years of high tech hardware sales experience to go with two years of marketing and 6 years of sales management. The last thing I want to do (I CAN'T do) is take a job that's $10k/year below where I need to be. The compensation at this company is likely to be 80-85 in a best case. My wife and I have talked a lot about the money and she is very supportive of me. She seems to think (and I agree) that with my resume and vast work history I should try and get a job with a 90k base at least. I know that is hard to find in sales. But my entire professional life I have never made much money. As recently as a decade ago I had W2's with 40k earnings. I have a hard time valuing myself as the kind of person that takes home 100k a year, but I agree with her that I need to give myself a chance to get a job like that. Making that much money would truly be a life changing event for us and I have to remember that this is my opportunity to make it happen. I don't want to get stuck at a job making less and spend the next few years struggling still.

Sounds like you're getting your feet under you. I'd suggest cutting back just a bit further on the drinking, but if it's working now, don't worry. The important thing is learning moderation with that sort of thing anyway.

 

[phishphan]

I'm glad Krista tore into Tanner. He's nothing but a big ole bag of ****s.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So, Leeroy Jenkins. First of all, how are you?

I'm not internationally known, but I'm known to rock a microphone.

 

[strykerpks]

Boy that escalated quickly.I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight. I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

 

[phishphan]

Boy that escalated quickly.I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight. I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

 

[phishphan]

Boy that escalated quickly.

I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight.

I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.

I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

seriously, "a-hole" is censored?!?

 

[Gadzooks]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

 

[strykerpks]

Boy that escalated quickly.I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight. I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

for the lower-middle class

 

[Joe T]

I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

 

[Guster]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

It's not the skinny tie that makes you look gay...wait, we look kinda similar. nevermind

 

[cosjobs]

Boy that escalated quickly.

I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight.

I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.

I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

for the lower-middle class

Whether they are assholes or not.

 

[Foosball God]

Happy Tuesday everyone!

 

[phishphan]

Boy that escalated quickly.

I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight.

I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.

I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

for the lower-middle class

Whether they are assholes or not.

I'm only a butthole on the internets.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Thanks for the kind words from a few of you. Also thanks to proninja for Facebooking with me last night and being a good friend. To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.I cried for hours last night, but it was only the worst of many such incidents since around Thanksgiving. I've never felt so on the verge of a complete and total meltdown. I'm being held together with tiny bits of string and maybe some well-chewed pieces of gum. I came here hoping for some support.I've lived my life in a way where the worst possible thing you can say to me is that I'm not independent or that I need anyone or anything. Being "needy" is to me the worst quality a person can have. That's not a fun way to live, really, but it's how I'm wired. So, not having practiced a lot of asking for things, it's probably inevitable that when I get to such a point that I have to reach out for help, I do it in the wrong way, or in a way where my need is not evidenced clearly. In that respect I can't blame anyone for not giving support or showing compassion, which they probably assume I don't need.I don't give a flying #### about getting this March 15 bonus. I would quit this morning, but it would screw over a large number of people if I did. I spend a lot more time caring about others than taking care of myself, and despite my many, many bad qualities, selfishness is not among them. My nature continues to be that I'll #### over myself rather than other people. I don't mean that as some martyr shtick--I truly believe it's a terrible, messed-up quality that I have. And so, I'll go along for the next two months, and expect that I have a better than 50% chance of ending up dead or in the hospital before March 31.Before I go (and perhaps I'll post again some day--who knows--and I'll certainly be lurking), I wanted to say that Leeroy Jenkins, who rarely posts here and most of you don't know very well, was the person (along with Mr. krista) who ultimately convinced me to go to coshole (which obviously I no longer intend to do). So thanks to him for being a caring friend as well. He's a great guy who y'all should get to know better.ETA: Sorry for Gustering.

Now wait just a ### #### minute. I know I'm not as personally involved with this thread and those in it, but I've read a hell of a lot of it. I've seen plenty of genuine support in here, and if you don't think people like GM, SLB, Cos, etc.. care and would genuinely be concerned for you then 'caring about others too much' isn't your biggest flaw. Maybe people were a little taken aback and didn't know exactly how to react to your post. Tough, independent chick showing emotion is a tough one for most men to navigate. Maybe some of us were offline last night and didn't have a chance to offer support. And yes maybe there is a twinge of truth to Tannerfossil's post that it is difficult for some of us to understand that a clearly talented, marketable, successful person with several apparent opportunities on the horizon might still be going through some serious shlit and need an ear or shoulder. We get it now. I'm sure everyone feels crappy that you feel underappreciated. So for the group I say "sorry". Truly. Now get off your high fooking horse, get your hiney to Austin, give everyone a hug, drink a beer and get over it.Thinking of you,CQ

This is a pretty good posting. Sometimes the endless stream of bad things happening to people in this thread can get a little overwhelming. And no offense to K4, but a couple of people just had one of their parents die, so maybe the ####ty job situation got out-shined for a little bit. I also fail to see how Tanner being his normal cockfacing self should prevent you from going to cos' old folks home and drinking wine since he's not even going to be there. Go there, make fun of his goatee and the fact that he looks more and more like Billy Joel every day. Current Drunk Billy, not Young Handsome Artistic Genius Billy.YIC, TRE

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

K4,Take a deep breath. Last night there were 50 conversations going on in here and it is likely some of the responses coming your way were delayed until this morning. A stressful job situation - for any reason - sucks. Life is too short, so we have to find the strength to change things or fix them or at least try. I think it is admirable that you don't want to screw over the people working around you. But I think you might want to realize that they are screwed no matter what. They can either be screwed next week or In two months. Do you really think its going to stabilize for them in two months but wouldn't for you? And I promise you - PROmISe - that as valuable as you are and as good of a worker as you are, the office will go right on if you fall over with a panic attack heart attack stroke nervous breakdown. You need to shorten your notice. Make it a month or three weeks or something where you can mark the days and see the light at the end of the tunnel. You want to be strong? How is this for strong: you owe it to yourself to be sane more than you owe it to some **** smack to keep the ship on course for two more months. He is right, you aren't quoting in two months because he has seen this before: if it were bad enough to quit you would quit now. He's counting on you coming around because he has seen it before. Misery followed by acceptance followed by more of the same. 1. Shorten your notice. 2. Give the people here a chance to react before getting mad and storming off. They DO care about your well being and will offer support. They just need to get some Ebert jokes out of their systems first. 3. Come to Austin. If for no other reason then to meet cos's two adorable and overly energetic poodles.

Before doing the whole shorten notice thing, I'd initiate a conversation with your boss about succession planning. It will show that you're serious this time. It will show that you care about how things proceed after you're gone. It might also provide you with some mental and emotional relief. It will make leaving more concrete and real. And if your replacement will come from within the company (which seems doubtful in today's corporate environment, but it's a consideration), it might even provide you with a necessary outlet.

Good advice. Even though I read the last part as "a necessary toilet."

 

[guru_007]

strykerpks, I just wanted to say that I think you're a good feller.And, fwiw, I remember very, very fondly times when I was younger (say your age), not making a lot of money, with a new wife, a new child (or two), and living literally pay check to pay check, and I'm not going to say those were the best days of my life, but they were AWESOME days of my life.<sniff sniff>

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him.

Dammit - I honda'd mocking Tanner? :headshot:

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Boy that escalated quickly.I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight. I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

Every day I talk with a buddy about quitting our bank jobs and mowing lawns for a living. Thank jebus for bourbon and sports.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

It's not the skinny tie that makes you look gay...wait, we look kinda similar. nevermind

Skinny tie is gay unless you can play the keyboard.

 

[Bogart]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

It's not the skinny tie that makes you look gay...wait, we look kinda similar. nevermind

Skinny tie is gay unless you can play the keyboard.

Keytar acceptable?

 

[Abraham]

Boy that escalated quickly.I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight. I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

this may have been meant for krista, but it helped me a lot. Glad to know that I'm not the only ##### here who doesn't pull big bucks, and now at 40, am realizing that I probably never will.

Every day I talk with a buddy about quitting our bank jobs and mowing lawns for a living. Thank jebus for bourbon and sports.

There are days when I look at how little money I would need to be happy if I didn't have a family. I wouldn't trade them for anything, but it is sort of amazing to realize I could get by VERY comfortably on 35k a year if I were by myself.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

It's not the skinny tie that makes you look gay...wait, we look kinda similar. nevermind

Skinny tie is gay unless you can play the keyboard.

Keytar acceptable?

Keytar means you're bi.

 

[Aerial Assault]

K4,Take a deep breath. Last night there were 50 conversations going on in here and it is likely some of the responses coming your way were delayed until this morning. A stressful job situation - for any reason - sucks. Life is too short, so we have to find the strength to change things or fix them or at least try. I think it is admirable that you don't want to screw over the people working around you. But I think you might want to realize that they are screwed no matter what. They can either be screwed next week or In two months. Do you really think its going to stabilize for them in two months but wouldn't for you? And I promise you - PROmISe - that as valuable as you are and as good of a worker as you are, the office will go right on if you fall over with a panic attack heart attack stroke nervous breakdown. You need to shorten your notice. Make it a month or three weeks or something where you can mark the days and see the light at the end of the tunnel. You want to be strong? How is this for strong: you owe it to yourself to be sane more than you owe it to some **** smack to keep the ship on course for two more months. He is right, you aren't quoting in two months because he has seen this before: if it were bad enough to quit you would quit now. He's counting on you coming around because he has seen it before. Misery followed by acceptance followed by more of the same. 1. Shorten your notice. 2. Give the people here a chance to react before getting mad and storming off. They DO care about your well being and will offer support. They just need to get some Ebert jokes out of their systems first. 3. Come to Austin. If for no other reason then to meet cos's two adorable and overly energetic poodles.

Before doing the whole shorten notice thing, I'd initiate a conversation with your boss about succession planning. It will show that you're serious this time. It will show that you care about how things proceed after you're gone. It might also provide you with some mental and emotional relief. It will make leaving more concrete and real. And if your replacement will come from within the company (which seems doubtful in today's corporate environment, but it's a consideration), it might even provide you with a necessary outlet.

Good advice. Even though I read the last part as "a necessary toilet."

It was even better advice once the toilet was integrated.

 

[strykerpks]

strykerpks, I just wanted to say that I think you're a good feller.And, fwiw, I remember very, very fondly times when I was younger (say your age), not making a lot of money, with a new wife, a new child (or two), and living literally pay check to pay check, and I'm not going to say those were the best days of my life, but they were AWESOME days of my life.<sniff sniff>

Thanks. You're not so bad yourself.I'm content where I'm at. That wasn't meant to be a "I'm poor" post, just an insight as to why someone like myself might not feel comfortable adding advice specific to K4s plight.

because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him.

Dammit - I honda'd mocking Tanner? :headshot:

Yeah but yours was much funnier.

 

[Bogart]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

It's not the skinny tie that makes you look gay...wait, we look kinda similar. nevermind

Skinny tie is gay unless you can play the keyboard.

Keytar acceptable?

Keytar means you're bi.

Doubles my chances. I can accept that.

 

[Annyong]

Boy that escalated quickly.I keep typing these long winded replies but end up going back to square one because Tanner's point has some merit. I simply cannot relate as someone who pulls in a whopping $40k/year, is also miserable at my job, with no prospects on the horizon. I work in a warehouse so I have no point of reference for the type of mega super lawyer problems you are dealing with. Sometimes typing out the obligatory "I'm sorry to hear that" just seems hollow, but I guess it does carry weight. I know I often times deflect by making jokes or snarky comments, and I think we're all guilty of an ill-timed remark. But after 2100+ pages of the some of the highest highs and lowest lows, one thing is certain; there is a tremendous support network throughout this thread as evidenced by the sincere advice in the past 2 pages. CQ summed it up very well.I would also urge you to go through with the plan to visit UrukCoshole, if only because Tanner won't be there and you can say nasty things about him. Who knows you just might have fun. Keep on keepin on K4. Life is too short to be miserable and no one would fault you for looking out for yourself.

Lifes a garden. Dig it.

 

[Annyong]

Go there, make fun of his goatee and the fact that he looks more and more like Billy Joel every day.YIC, TRE

I always thought he looked like Moby

 

[SofaKings]

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

No offense but that's ridiculous. If anything, guys here are guilty of treating you like they would anyone else. For comparison's sake... Abraham is going through some serious #### as well right now. Was the community response more positive/supportive for him? I'd argue the opposite.

We could put more things through our "female filters" prior to posting. But we get the impression you (and YSR, E10, etc?) don't want that. Then we're surprised when things blow up like this. We shouldn't be, but we are.

Anyway, the above was not intended to dismiss your situation or feelings. Just a possible explanation of what's going on here. I do hope things improve for you. It sucks to be that miserable with work (or anything else). Good luck and hope to see you Sunday.

I'm still waiting for the "community response" of whether not wearing a skinny tie makes me look gay. (no offense Tanner)

No, your face does. :tommyboy:

 

[Josie Maran]

33 HOURS TIL hOMER

X 1000

 

[General Malaise]

Thanks for the kind words from a few of you. Also thanks to proninja for Facebooking with me last night and being a good friend.

To be clear, I'm not blaming Tanner; he's just the latest to express sentiment that others have expressed before (though perhaps doing it in a particularly distasteful and ill-timed way). The people in this thread often pride themselves on being a community that is "there for each other". I just don't feel it as it pertains to me, as evidenced not solely by Tanner's thoughts.

My friend, I'm sorry you are going through this. I know others have touched on this far better and more eloquently than I will here, but from where I sit, I just don't understand what you are going through. I mean...I sort of get it, but not really. I've only had 2 jobs in the last 13 years and when I had enough of my last one, I quit and walked out the door. But that's me. So I just can't relate to what you are going through.That said, if you'll recall, there was a time not too long ago where you and Mr. Krista were dealing with some personal problems in your marriage. Now THAT IS something I can relate to and I reached out to you with my most heartfelt thoughts and words of encouragement via PM. So there is some president of support for you from people here. I really like you. You are one of us. You are one of the true good people in the world. I would have offered some more encouraging words on this matter, but I don't feel qualified to say anything. But when it comes to other matters (like marital woes), man...I'm there. THAT I get.

Stay strong. Don't hold grudges. Today's a new day. Tanner's not a bad guy. He's just an old guy bitter about today's national holiday.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Tanner: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/206290_1017011877386_4812_n.jpgBilly Joel:http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2001/dec/joel/billy.joel.jpghttp://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Dec11/Joel1.jpg

 

[Annyong]

Tanner: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/206290_1017011877386_4812_n.jpgBilly Joel:http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2001/dec/joel/billy.joel.jpghttp://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Dec11/Joel1.jpg

spitting image imo

 

[Abraham]

Wait a second...when was the vote for pResident of support? Because I sure as heck would have liked to nominate a few folks....