GnR : Appetite For Destruction (1 Viewer)

[rotohuff]

Anyone digging GNR's new album yet? This could end up truly being a masterpiece."There was a Time", "Better", "IRS", "Madagascar", "Street of Dreams" all just totally rule.

You cant be serious.

100% serious. Have you listened to the album yet?

 

[PIK95]

How is OK Computer not rock? Ok maybe not Fitter Happier but pretty much most of the rest is. Is the Rain Song by Zep not rock?

Again... HUGE Radiohead fan.... HUGE. Moreso than GNR. Now go listen to OK Computer again. It's art rock maybe.... but it's not straight forward Rock & Roll for the most part. Paranoid Android? Exit Music? Let Down? Karma Police? Fitter Happier?Climbing up Walls? No Surprises? There might be 2.5 songs on OKC that rock like Appetite. It's a beautiful, brilliant album. Superior to AFD overall? Sure. But it's not Rock & Roll. Pablo Honey had much more Rock to it and was a fantastic album in it's own right.... but it was no AFD.

Again I think all those tunes rock. The greatest rock band of all time Led Zep CRUSH Guns and they have a ton of "Radiohead paced stuff" Is that not rock? Is Fool in the Rain not rock? Going to California? Battle of Evermore? Thank You? Thats the way? Down by the Seaside? Over the Hill and far away? The rain Song I mentioned earlier. Tangerine? Thats some of the greatest rock of all time. How about Stairway to Heaven? Alot of people think thats the greatest rock song of all time and it is only heavy right at the end for a minute. I was a big Guns fan and even saw them live but I disagree here. And all pre-black Metallica crushes guns also. Your thread so you can make guns win if you want to feel better though.

 

[rotohuff]

Green Day sucks, BTW.

 

[Disco Stu]

Anyone digging GNR's new album yet? This could end up truly being a masterpiece."There was a Time", "Better", "IRS", "Madagascar", "Street of Dreams" all just totally rule.

You cant be serious.

100% serious. Have you listened to the album yet?

There's a thread around here somewhere (this is the spinoff). The consensus seems to be ungood.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Rage Against the Machine is a great call. Guessing that will be disqualified as well for some reason.

 

[Mister CIA]

Do the Black Keys belong in the conversation? Not sure which album I like best.

 

[rotohuff]

Anyone digging GNR's new album yet? This could end up truly being a masterpiece."There was a Time", "Better", "IRS", "Madagascar", "Street of Dreams" all just totally rule.

You cant be serious.

100% serious. Have you listened to the album yet?

There's a thread around here somewhere (this is the spinoff). The consensus seems to be ungood.

I believe that consensus will change in time.I have been listening to a bunch of the songs for like a year or more. It is a great production.

 

[PIK95]

Rage Against the Machine is a great call. Guessing that will be disqualified as well for some reason.

 

[SlimShady]

straight rock and roll is an ambiguous definition presumably set by Icon only in this thread.

bleh. Rock is Rock, you want to get into a bunch of subset arguments have at it, but my definition of rock is music you would listen to at a party loudly or in your car with buddies and crank it up and have a good time, oh and your parents would hate it. For example, I don't personally like Metallica, but And Justice For All is an all time great album, probably as good or better than AFD. But you can just arbitrarily dismiss it as "thrash rock" or "speed metal" instead of 'straight rock'.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

Does anyone even do this anymore?I can think of very little that even qualifies for this as you've defined it. Maybe The Whigs, Lions, or early Kings of Leon.

This is a good point. Every decade that passes exposes rock musicians to new aesthetics.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

Does anyone even do this anymore?I can think of very little that even qualifies for this as you've defined it. Maybe The Whigs, Lions, or early Kings of Leon.

Rock & Roll is dead. Besides all those Aqua Net bands of the 80s, I don't even know what pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL is.

If I wanna jam (that sounds kinda queer), then I put in RATM's self-titled. From beginning to end, no other album jams that hard.

buckcherry

 

[Red Eyed and Blue]

Ten.

Great album, but not Appetite great.

I like Ten better than AFD.

You're insane.

Really? Insane? That's Pearl Jam's "Ten." I could see this comment if I'd said I preferred the Candlebox record, but we're talking about two of the biggest landmark records of the last quarter century. It's a matter of personal taste. Appetite was the soundtrack of my hell-raising days (well, at least the age 16-18 years) but "Ten" was a life-chaning album for me.By the way, the Black Album is Metallica's 6th or 7th best album (if you count the original Garage Days.) Doesn't compare. This is coming from the guy who at the time was the biggest Metallica fan alive. But RTL/MOP, MOP/AJFA are both much better double-shots than Appetite/Lies.

Yes, Rocket Queen is the best song on the album.

I have no idea who Red Eyed & Blue is, but he knows good music. I like you, RE&B. VH1 is definitely in the conversation. DEFINITELY. And I still love Ice Cream Man. For Unlawful... sucked elephant genitals with the exception of "Poundcake", which rocks.

There are my thoughts on teh thread.

 

[commisholio]

Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

"Here Comes Your Man" does kinda drag the album down, but Surfer Rosa comes to a screeching halt with Broken Face. They both have some filler to me.Surfer Rosa has 5 greats: Where Is My Mind, Bone Machine, Cactus, I'm Amazed and the underrated Brick Is Red.Doolittle also has 5 greats: Monkey Gone To Heaven, Hey, Gouge Away, Mr. Grieves and my personal favorite I Bleed.If I had to pick one I'd go with Surfer Rosa, but I think the consensus would probably be Doolittle.

I am also a massive pixes fan and while they have their "rock" songs.. .the fact that the majority of their music is not really in the "Pure Rock & Roll" category that I've clarified about 129 times in this thread all but eliminates it from this debate. Are Dolitte or Surfer Rosa a better album that AfD. Possibly. Are Dolitte or Surfer Rosa a better "Rock & Roll" album than AfD? Not a chance. Are Dolitte or Surfer Rosa a better album than AfD and Ten combined? Put down the pipe, you're trying too hard, hipster. And this from a massive Pixies fan.

They are to me. I can't stand Pearl Jam and I think Axl's voice sucks, pretty much killing AFD for me too. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just stating my opinion.

 

[commisholio]

Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

"Here Comes Your Man" does kinda drag the album down, but Surfer Rosa comes to a screeching halt with Broken Face. They both have some filler to me.Surfer Rosa has 5 greats: Where Is My Mind, Bone Machine, Cactus, I'm Amazed and the underrated Brick Is Red.Doolittle also has 5 greats: Monkey Gone To Heaven, Hey, Gouge Away, Mr. Grieves and my personal favorite I Bleed.If I had to pick one I'd go with Surfer Rosa, but I think the consensus would probably be Doolittle.

Also worth mentioning are Something Against You, Gigantic and Vamos from Surfer Rosa. I also like Broken Face - the only song I could do without is Tony's Theme.On Doolittle, I like Tame and Wave of Mutilation and even La La Love You and Silver much better than Monkey Gone to Heaven. Heresy I know. Hmm. Maybe I do like Doolittle better.

 

[Thunderlips]

NIN The Downward Spiral. That rocks. That's a great album from cover to cover and it was original and a new sound.

RATM's debut was exponentionally better than AoD....particularly in the orginiality of it. GnR's roots are fairly easily traced back. Where did that RaTM sound come from?

 

[Gadabout]

NIN The Downward Spiral. That rocks. That's a great album from cover to cover and it was original and a new sound.

RATM's debut was exponentionally better than AoD....particularly in the orginiality of it. GnR's roots are fairly easily traced back. Where did that RaTM sound come from?

Faith No More and Downset.This guy also deserves some of the credit.

 

[Thunderlips]

NIN The Downward Spiral. That rocks. That's a great album from cover to cover and it was original and a new sound.

RATM's debut was exponentionally better than AoD....particularly in the orginiality of it. GnR's roots are fairly easily traced back. Where did that RaTM sound come from?

Faith No More and Downset.

I'll have to take your word on Downset (but I will see about listening to something)...but Faith No More and RaTM seemed to evolve at the same time with both RaTM and Angel Dust coming out around the same time.

 

[commisholio]

What about Wolfmother? That album rocks, not matter how much they're ripping off Zeppelin, and I definitely like it better than GnR.

 

[The Goat]

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

Does anyone even do this anymore?I can think of very little that even qualifies for this as you've defined it. Maybe The Whigs, Lions, or early Kings of Leon.

Rock & Roll is dead. Besides all those Aqua Net bands of the 80s, I don't even know what pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL is.

If I wanna jam (that sounds kinda queer), then I put in RATM's self-titled. From beginning to end, no other album jams that hard.

buckcherry

Yep.I's also like to submit Airbourne, Seether and Saliva as Exhibits B-D that rock is not even close to being dead.

(As an aside, I cannot think of a band more needed than Airbourne. They may not be particularly good, but they're loads of fun.)

 

[Righetti]

You wouldn't put AfD and Metallica's Black album in the same conversation?

Not unless that conversation was about how one album can be as awesome as another album is bad.

The Black Album is decent but it's not even Metallica's best album.... or second best... or maybe even 3rd best...

do we have a :greatposting: smiley yet?

 

[Wingnut]

Rocket Queen. Its already been said here, but its the best on the CD. Listened to it earlier and it still holds up. It never got its deserved love back in the day.

At 3:25 the song really takes it up a notch.

"I see you standing

Standing on your own

It's such a lonely place for you

For you to be

If you need a shoulder

Or if you need a friend

I'll be here standing

Until the bitter end

No one needs the sorrow

No one needs the pain

I hate to see you

Walking out there

Out in the rain

So don't chastise me

Or think I, I mean you harm

Of those that take you

Leave you strung out

Much too far

Baby-yeah.....

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ok Computer beats AFD and it isn't even close.I'd throw out White Stripes - White Blood Cells \ Elephant out there as well, but that probably isn't going to go over with this crowd.How about Green Day - American Idiot ? That album has to be top 5 at the very least...

I'd argue that The Bends is a better 'rock' album by Radiohead. Basically this is a narrow minding discussion b/c as somebody said, the music isn't the same. There are albums that I would argue for that kick as much as, but people wouldn't put them in the same genre. And Justice, RATM, The Sword are probably "too metal"White Stripes is too "bluesy"The Strokes, Green Day, Pearl Jam, AIC Radiohead are too "alternative"Long story short, this is a pointless discussion b/c we are narrowing it down to just a "rock and roll" record (whatever the #### that means anymore)

 

[PIK95]

Ok Computer beats AFD and it isn't even close.I'd throw out White Stripes - White Blood Cells \ Elephant out there as well, but that probably isn't going to go over with this crowd.How about Green Day - American Idiot ? That album has to be top 5 at the very least...

I'd argue that The Bends is a better 'rock' album by Radiohead. Basically this is a narrow minding discussion b/c as somebody said, the music isn't the same. There are albums that I would argue for that kick as much as, but people wouldn't put them in the same genre. And Justice, RATM, The Sword are probably "too metal"White Stripes is too "bluesy"The Strokes, Green Day, Pearl Jam, AIC Radiohead are too "alternative"Long story short, this is a pointless discussion b/c we are narrowing it down to just a "rock and roll" record (whatever the #### that means anymore)

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ok Computer beats AFD and it isn't even close.I'd throw out White Stripes - White Blood Cells \ Elephant out there as well, but that probably isn't going to go over with this crowd.How about Green Day - American Idiot ? That album has to be top 5 at the very least...

I'd argue that The Bends is a better 'rock' album by Radiohead. Basically this is a narrow minding discussion b/c as somebody said, the music isn't the same. There are albums that I would argue for that kick as much as, but people wouldn't put them in the same genre. And Justice, RATM, The Sword are probably "too metal"White Stripes is too "bluesy"The Strokes, Green Day, Pearl Jam, AIC Radiohead are too "alternative"Long story short, this is a pointless discussion b/c we are narrowing it down to just a "rock and roll" record (whatever the #### that means anymore)

Thinking about this "rock and roll" criteria:Esp. after seeing them live I'd put Queens of the Stone Age in this criteria. Seems like they are about playing some loud ####, pissing you off, and ####### your women. Good albums too.

 

[Ash]

Rage Against the Machine - self titled

I know I'm probably alone on this one, but as time has passed, I look back upon RATM's lyrics as nothing but a bunch of complaining and whining over this, that, and the other thing... much of which I can't honestly say that I can relate to.

Agreed. I always like Rage for the music, I put up with Zack.

 

[Ash]

Rocket Queen. Its already been said here, but its the best on the CD. Listened to it earlier and it still holds up. It never got its deserved love back in the day.

At 3:25 the song really takes it up a notch.

"I see you standing

Standing on your own

It's such a lonely place for you

For you to be

If you need a shoulder

Or if you need a friend

I'll be here standing

Until the bitter end

No one needs the sorrow

No one needs the pain

I hate to see you

Walking out there

Out in the rain

So don't chastise me

Or think I, I mean you harm

Of those that take you

Leave you strung out

Much too far

Baby-yeah.....

Definitely agree. I always saw Rocket Queen as a precursor to the UYI longer, more epic type songs like Locomotive, Estranged etc.

 

[Ash]

What about Wolfmother? That album rocks, not matter how much they're ripping off Zeppelin, and I definitely like it better than GnR.

Don't forget Black Sabbath. They're ripping them off too.

 

[The Goat]

Ok Computer beats AFD and it isn't even close.I'd throw out White Stripes - White Blood Cells \ Elephant out there as well, but that probably isn't going to go over with this crowd.How about Green Day - American Idiot ? That album has to be top 5 at the very least...

I'd argue that The Bends is a better 'rock' album by Radiohead. Basically this is a narrow minding discussion b/c as somebody said, the music isn't the same. There are albums that I would argue for that kick as much as, but people wouldn't put them in the same genre. And Justice, RATM, The Sword are probably "too metal"White Stripes is too "bluesy"The Strokes, Green Day, Pearl Jam, AIC Radiohead are too "alternative"Long story short, this is a pointless discussion b/c we are narrowing it down to just a "rock and roll" record (whatever the #### that means anymore)

White Stripes and Raconteurs are unquestionably Rock bands to me. I feel kinda bad for not mentioning them.

 

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How is OK Computer not rock? Ok maybe not Fitter Happier but pretty much most of the rest is. Is the Rain Song by Zep not rock?

Again... HUGE Radiohead fan.... HUGE. Moreso than GNR. Now go listen to OK Computer again. It's art rock maybe.... but it's not straight forward Rock & Roll for the most part. Paranoid Android? Exit Music? Let Down? Karma Police? Fitter Happier?Climbing up Walls? No Surprises? There might be 2.5 songs on OKC that rock like Appetite. It's a beautiful, brilliant album. Superior to AFD overall? Sure. But it's not Rock & Roll. Pablo Honey had much more Rock to it and was a fantastic album in it's own right.... but it was no AFD.

Again I think all those tunes rock. The greatest rock band of all time Led Zep CRUSH Guns and they have a ton of "Radiohead paced stuff" Is that not rock? Is Fool in the Rain not rock? Going to California? Battle of Evermore? Thank You? Thats the way? Down by the Seaside? Over the Hill and far away? The rain Song I mentioned earlier. Tangerine? Thats some of the greatest rock of all time. How about Stairway to Heaven? Alot of people think thats the greatest rock song of all time and it is only heavy right at the end for a minute. I was a big Guns fan and even saw them live but I disagree here. And all pre-black Metallica crushes guns also. Your thread so you can make guns win if you want to feel better though.

Again. You're using rock as a synonym for "sounds good". I'm referring to straight on balls out rock albums. You can stick to your definition and that's all good. I bet John Mayer rocks too.. but he's not balls out rock and roll. NONE of those songs "Rock" under the definition that has been established repeatedlyin this thread. Are they good songs? Hell yeah they are. Do they "Rock" in the sense we've established? Only if you're used to listening to Zamfir and his panflute. Sorry... but that's that.

 

[[icon]]

Rage Against the Machine is a great call. Guessing that will be disqualified as well for some reason.

Naw rage is rock. Again... falling apart at the seams balls out rock and roll... I think rage fits here. I think Ten is on the fence but has enough "rock" songs (ala porch, once, evenflow, etc) to qualify. Queens of the stone age rock balls at times but sometimes get a little avant garde for consideration.... though I love their stuff. Not quite the same genre though.

 

[[icon]]

I'm opening up a discussion for best Pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL album. Not art Rock... not Metal... just plain Rock & Roll. I have stated this over and over and over again and yet mouthbreathers keep throwing in suggestions like OK Computer and The Cure. Those are not balls out falling apart at the seams rock and roll.

The point of the exercise was to identify other great albums within a particular subset of a genre... not to turn this into another typical "best album ever" debate where the hipsters get in a fight over who can name the most obscure album.

Does anyone even do this anymore?I can think of very little that even qualifies for this as you've defined it. Maybe The Whigs, Lions, or early Kings of Leon.

Rock & Roll is dead. Besides all those Aqua Net bands of the 80s, I don't even know what pure, straightforward ROCK & ROLL is.

If I wanna jam (that sounds kinda queer), then I put in RATM's self-titled. From beginning to end, no other album jams that hard.

buckcherry

Buckcherry puts out some pretty decent rock that is right smack dab in the middle of that mold. Some ballady crap like sorry but most of their albums are exactly what I'm talking about here.

 

[[icon]]

Good point I also think Doolittle is better than AFD and Ten put together. Hard to say which one is better, though I think I like Surfer Rosa better because of "Here Comes Your Man." It's close, though.

"Here Comes Your Man" does kinda drag the album down, but Surfer Rosa comes to a screeching halt with Broken Face. They both have some filler to me.Surfer Rosa has 5 greats: Where Is My Mind, Bone Machine, Cactus, I'm Amazed and the underrated Brick Is Red.Doolittle also has 5 greats: Monkey Gone To Heaven, Hey, Gouge Away, Mr. Grieves and my personal favorite I Bleed.If I had to pick one I'd go with Surfer Rosa, but I think the consensus would probably be Doolittle.

Also worth mentioning are Something Against You, Gigantic and Vamos from Surfer Rosa. I also like Broken Face - the only song I could do without is Tony's Theme.On Doolittle, I like Tame and Wave of Mutilation and even La La Love You and Silver much better than Monkey Gone to Heaven. Heresy I know. Hmm. Maybe I do like Doolittle better.

I prefer Doolittle....especially when introducing someone new to the band.

 

[[icon]]

Thinking about this "rock and roll" criteria:Esp. after seeing them live I'd put Queens of the Stone Age in this criteria. Seems like they are about playing some loud ####, pissing you off, and ####### your women. Good albums too.

Caught this after my post. Yes. Queens is "Rock and Roll" as defined in this thread. Good call. It's tough to lay down a hardened set of rules that defines it... but honestly everyone here should know what I'm referring to. Play dumb if you will but it's pretty obvious what subgenre the discussion focuses on here.

 

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buckcherry

Yep.I's also like to submit Airbourne, Seether and Saliva as Exhibits B-D that rock is not even close to being dead.

(As an aside, I cannot think of a band more needed than Airbourne. They may not be particularly good, but they're loads of fun.)

Bingo. Seether is putting out some solid music and seems to have picked up very much where nirvana left off (between bleach and nevermind). NOt all their stuff... but enough has that edge. Saw them live recently for the second time and was very pleasantly surprised where they're headed.

 

[[icon]]

I'd argue that The Bends is a better 'rock' album by Radiohead.

Most definitely. Hell I think Pablo Honey is terribly underrated and has some fantastic "rock" songs on it (as stated earlier in this thread. I love radiohead but OK Computer is no more of a Rock Album than Kid A or In Rainbows is.

 

[[icon]]

NIN The Downward Spiral. That rocks. That's a great album from cover to cover and it was original and a new sound.

RATM's debut was exponentionally better than AoD....particularly in the orginiality of it. GnR's roots are fairly easily traced back. Where did that RaTM sound come from?

Faith No More and Downset.This guy also deserves some of the credit.

Faith No More "real thing" and to a lesser degree "angel Dust" definitely are rock. There's some gay #### like underwater love on there... but most of the stuff is definitely in the discussion. Real Thing is another of my favorite albums. Easily top 25.

 

[T.A.]

Metallica-Black Album (Self Titled)This came out in 1991 and had a very long shelf life...from Enter Sandman to Wherever I May Roam to The Unforgiven to Nothing Else Matters...this a,bum also launched a very lengthy World Tour where they eventually played with the band you started the thread about. I love AfD and probably listen to that more than Metallica. With AfD, it's the songs that weren't played on the radio like Its So Easy, Nighttrain, Rocket Queen...I'm not sure anything can top it. Just for more conversation, I would also throw Tom Petty, Full Moon Fever...it has some pretty awesome songs, albeit not quite as hard rock as GnR and Metallica, but Running Down a Dream and Won't Back Down are pretty kick ### in my book. I believe almost every track on that CD is very listenable...I played it to death on both cross country trips I have been on.

I'm hoping I am never at an event that MoP has the keys to the DJ booth.

Considering Ive seen both live more times I can count... I think you are off base. GnR has absolutely nothing on Metallica when it comes to performing live. And Im not talking about the show, Im talking about the music. They destroy GnR musically when performed on stage -- and not saved Milli Vanilli style by the studio.

 

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Metallica-Black Album (Self Titled)This came out in 1991 and had a very long shelf life...from Enter Sandman to Wherever I May Roam to The Unforgiven to Nothing Else Matters...this a,bum also launched a very lengthy World Tour where they eventually played with the band you started the thread about. I love AfD and probably listen to that more than Metallica. With AfD, it's the songs that weren't played on the radio like Its So Easy, Nighttrain, Rocket Queen...I'm not sure anything can top it. Just for more conversation, I would also throw Tom Petty, Full Moon Fever...it has some pretty awesome songs, albeit not quite as hard rock as GnR and Metallica, but Running Down a Dream and Won't Back Down are pretty kick ### in my book. I believe almost every track on that CD is very listenable...I played it to death on both cross country trips I have been on.

I'm hoping I am never at an event that MoP has the keys to the DJ booth.

Considering Ive seen both live more times I can count... I think you are off base. GnR has absolutely nothing on Metallica when it comes to performing live. And Im not talking about the show, Im talking about the music. They destroy GnR musically when performed on stage -- and not saved Milli Vanilli style by the studio.

How exactly am I off base? I was merely saying that Metallica's black album and Tom Petty are not what I'd be looking for had I defined this subgenre. Having seen both live I'll agree Metallica is far superior live. Not sure what this has to do with this discussion however.

 

[Otis]

Oasis? uke:

Oh god thank you

 

[Otis]

Anyone digging GNR's new album yet? This could end up truly being a masterpiece."There was a Time", "Better", "IRS", "Madagascar", "Street of Dreams" all just totally rule.

You cant be serious.

100% serious. Have you listened to the album yet?

There's a thread around here somewhere (this is the spinoff). The consensus seems to be ungood.

I'm actually liking it more and more. It's not AFD but more and more sounds like a Guns album.

 

[Wingnut]

buckcherry

Yep.I's also like to submit Airbourne, Seether and Saliva as Exhibits B-D that rock is not even close to being dead.

(As an aside, I cannot think of a band more needed than Airbourne. They may not be particularly good, but they're loads of fun.)

Bingo. Seether is putting out some solid music and seems to have picked up very much where nirvana left off (between bleach and nevermind). NOt all their stuff... but enough has that edge. Saw them live recently for the second time and was very pleasantly surprised where they're headed.

I dig me some Seether. Theyve put together an impressive string of hits that alot of bands today couldnt pull off. Solid. I havent seen them live yet but have been wanting to. Not sayin they compare to G & R in this discussion, but I agree theyre headed in the right direction and are a standout in todays "mainstream" rock bands.

 

[Wingnut]

Wow, after thinking about it, I cant come up with a single CD that can hang with Appetite since its release. A few mentioned here definitely belong in a top 10 discussion, but I think Appetite is pretty much in a league of its own when compared to anything mentioned here. They just dont make em like that anymore.

 

[Tiger Fan]

NIN The Downward Spiral. That rocks. That's a great album from cover to cover and it was original and a new sound.

RATM's debut was exponentionally better than AoD....particularly in the orginiality of it. GnR's roots are fairly easily traced back. Where did that RaTM sound come from?

Faith No More and Downset.This guy also deserves some of the credit.

Had one Downset album...it rawked

 

[Tiger Fan]

The word 'Alternative' was merely something to differentiate the Nirvanas/Pearl Jams/AIC, etc from the hair bands. IMO, all that stuff is still rock n roll.

It's like some of you don't want to call an album "rock n roll" unless it has pump your fist in the air singalong choruses.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I think the moral of this thread is that there are a ton of good albums that have been released since then. Problem is, we are also discussing what a lot of people would list as a top 5 hard rock/rock album. That would be like us having this discussion 20 years ago and the thread being Led Zeppelin 4 - can you name a good rock album since then. (you get the idea)

I understand what icon is trying to get at with his "rock album" discussion. As somebody stated, music doesn't really sound like that much anymore. I would argue that what set that album apart at the time is nobody sounded like that then either. They weren't metal, so they set themselves apart from the Metallicas, Anthraxs, etc. They didn't seem to have ######s, so they set themselves apart from the hair bands like Poison, Warrant, etc.. This album came at the end of this era of music and the sound started changing with the alternative music getting popular, as well as industrial, then emo, blah, blah. To me anybody that tries to sound like that now seem to be kind of a joke (I'm talking to you, The Darkness), are bands that have been around that long and haven't changed their sound much - Ac/Dc, Rush, or are bands assembled from people from the 80s bands - Velvet Revolver.

Looking at my MP3 there are a couple of albums that I would classify as just "rock" records from this decade that I really like:

White Stripes - White Blood Cells or Elephant (start to get too experimental with later albums)

The Stokes - Is This It? (doesn't have the 'edge' that GNR had, and not as heavy)

Wolfmother - Wolfmother (good, but can't get over the Sabbath/Zeppelin feel - not original enough)

NONE of them sound like GnR or are as good as AFD. I think that says more about AFD than it does these bands.

Also, on another note - I looked at GnR on allmusic and these are the bands they listed as "similar artists" (proving more it's really hard to categorize music/ rock)

* Tesla

* Great White

* L.A. Guns

* Cinderella

* New American Shame

* Raging Slab

* Four Horsemen

* Rhino Bucket

* Almighty

* Mother Love Bone

* Marilyn Manson

* D Generation

* The Black Crowes

* Little Caesar

* Circus of Power

* Nashville #####

* Buckcherry

* Pantera

* Red Hot Chili Peppers

* Lenny Kravitz

* Keith Richards

 

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Lenny Kravitz puts out some solid but unspectacular rock. Good note there Karma... oh and at:

They didn't seem to have ######s, so they set themselves apart from the hair bands like Poison, Warrant, etc..

 

[PIK95]

Im thinking Guns n Roses are not eligible because they were pretty much glam rock and this thread is for rock only.

 

[Thunderlips]

I think the moral of this thread is that there are a ton of good albums that have been released since then. Problem is, we are also discussing what a lot of people would list as a top 5 hard rock/rock album. That would be like us having this discussion 20 years ago and the thread being Led Zeppelin 4 - can you name a good rock album since then. (you get the idea)

I understand what icon is trying to get at with his "rock album" discussion. As somebody stated, music doesn't really sound like that much anymore. I would argue that what set that album apart at the time is nobody sounded like that then either. They weren't metal, so they set themselves apart from the Metallicas, Anthraxs, etc. They didn't seem to have ######s, so they set themselves apart from the hair bands like Poison, Warrant, etc.. This album came at the end of this era of music and the sound started changing with the alternative music getting popular, as well as industrial, then emo, blah, blah. To me anybody that tries to sound like that now seem to be kind of a joke (I'm talking to you, The Darkness), are bands that have been around that long and haven't changed their sound much - Ac/Dc, Rush, or are bands assembled from people from the 80s bands - Velvet Revolver.

Looking at my MP3 there are a couple of albums that I would classify as just "rock" records from this decade that I really like:

White Stripes - White Blood Cells or Elephant (start to get too experimental with later albums)

The Stokes - Is This It? (doesn't have the 'edge' that GNR had, and not as heavy)

Wolfmother - Wolfmother (good, but can't get over the Sabbath/Zeppelin feel - not original enough)

NONE of them sound like GnR or are as good as AFD. I think that says more about AFD than it does these bands.

Also, on another note - I looked at GnR on allmusic and these are the bands they listed as "similar artists" (proving more it's really hard to categorize music/ rock)

* Tesla

* Great White

* L.A. Guns

* Cinderella

* New American Shame

* Raging Slab

* Four Horsemen

* Rhino Bucket

* Almighty

* Mother Love Bone

* Marilyn Manson

* D Generation

* The Black Crowes

* Little Caesar

* Circus of Power

* Nashville #####

* Buckcherry

* Pantera

* Red Hot Chili Peppers

* Lenny Kravitz

* Keith Richards

So essentially what is being said is....that a better hard rock album hasn't come out since AoD......but the entire genre of "hard rock" ended right around the same time AoD came out?

 

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Im thinking Guns n Roses are not eligible because they were pretty much glam rock and this thread is for rock only.

The concept isn't that complicated. Lotsa folks are getting it. We can get you some afterschool help to get you caught up if you'd like.

 

[PIK95]

I think the moral of this thread is that there are a ton of good albums that have been released since then. Problem is, we are also discussing what a lot of people would list as a top 5 hard rock/rock album. That would be like us having this discussion 20 years ago and the thread being Led Zeppelin 4 - can you name a good rock album since then. (you get the idea)

I understand what icon is trying to get at with his "rock album" discussion. As somebody stated, music doesn't really sound like that much anymore. I would argue that what set that album apart at the time is nobody sounded like that then either. They weren't metal, so they set themselves apart from the Metallicas, Anthraxs, etc. They didn't seem to have ######s, so they set themselves apart from the hair bands like Poison, Warrant, etc.. This album came at the end of this era of music and the sound started changing with the alternative music getting popular, as well as industrial, then emo, blah, blah. To me anybody that tries to sound like that now seem to be kind of a joke (I'm talking to you, The Darkness), are bands that have been around that long and haven't changed their sound much - Ac/Dc, Rush, or are bands assembled from people from the 80s bands - Velvet Revolver.

Looking at my MP3 there are a couple of albums that I would classify as just "rock" records from this decade that I really like:

White Stripes - White Blood Cells or Elephant (start to get too experimental with later albums)

The Stokes - Is This It? (doesn't have the 'edge' that GNR had, and not as heavy)

Wolfmother - Wolfmother (good, but can't get over the Sabbath/Zeppelin feel - not original enough)

NONE of them sound like GnR or are as good as AFD. I think that says more about AFD than it does these bands.

Also, on another note - I looked at GnR on allmusic and these are the bands they listed as "similar artists" (proving more it's really hard to categorize music/ rock)

* Tesla

* Great White

* L.A. Guns

* Cinderella

* New American Shame

* Raging Slab

* Four Horsemen

* Rhino Bucket

* Almighty

* Mother Love Bone

* Marilyn Manson

* D Generation

* The Black Crowes

* Little Caesar

* Circus of Power

* Nashville #####

* Buckcherry

* Pantera

* Red Hot Chili Peppers

* Lenny Kravitz

* Keith Richards

So essentially what is being said is....that a better hard rock album hasn't come out since AoD......but the entire genre of "hard rock" ended right around the same time AoD came out?