Goodbye Rams (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

There's only one problem with that last article. The field proposed for LA is nothing more than a proposal. I don't believe the land has been purchased yet. It will be years before the ever break ground. Look for the Jags to go to London and the Rams to stay put.

No team is going to LA until there is a stadium built. The notion that they are simply going to start as soon as they agree to get a team is pretty funny. If the Rams announce today that they are moving to LA the stadium here would be a ghost town until they finally left town. That means the 2013 season will be crushed with lack of ticket sales. That would likely bleed over into 2014 because I'm not sure if they broke ground right now they could build the stadium in LA in the next 14 months.

All this speculation about LA needs to stop until a feasible NFL facility is built. Because until there is, we have to acknowledge the billion dollar and logistical nightmare of a white elephant in the room...

It would seem like common sense that a team wouldn't be willing to take such a revenue hit as you mention above.

Of course, common sense and reality aren't always the same thing. The Oilers did exactly what you describe. They announced before the 1996 season that they would be moving to Tennessee in 1998. They played both '96 and '97 in front of empty seats at home.

I'm not saying the Rams definitely go to LA. But I don't think what you mention is a deal breaker. If they think it is to their ultimate, long term financial gain, they could still do it.

I forgot they did that. Then again, the owner was a hot headed jerk, so I can see that. Kroenke is smarter than that. He would probably just have it in place and announce the move as the moving trucks roll up to the stadium in order to drain every dime out of this city he could.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The problem being, St. Louis doesn't have that kind of money lying around to sink into an NFL stadium.

A message was conveyed to the Rams by Kathleen "Kitty" Ratcliffe, president of the CVC -- which operates the stadium -- via letter in which she wrote her agency is "not in a position" to pay for a $700 million renovation.

Not long after, Jeff Rainford, chief of staff for St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, told The Associated Press that city leaders were on the same page with the CVC and the Sports Complex Authority, which owns the stadium.

"It was a no-brainer," Rainford said. "There was nobody in St. Louis who thought that the Rams' proposal was a good idea, other than the Rams."

This is a problem.

Basically this franchise is now a free agent.

And so I don't think this is par for the course carousel game of chicken business. Basically given the modern realities of pro footabll the Rams cannot stay there if they do not get a new or renovated stadium.

It doesn't have to be L.A. either (in fact L.A. now mostly just seems to serve the purpose of boosting interest from home cities and other towns), it could be anywhere, London, San Antonio, Portland, Birmingham, Pottsville, wherever, now is the time if your city wants a team make a pitch; and now is the time for the Rams to either find a suitor and a real plan to move or shut up and stay in their tin can and admit Georgia Frontiere took a lot of cash up front while sacrificing the long term health of the franchise.

However, whatever amount the value of the Rams in St Louis might have risen since the move I'd have to guess that moving from the No. 25 market or whatever to the No. 2 market would automatically boost the value by a great, great deal.

As for the example about the Oilers and the fact that the team would be facing empty seats for 1-2 years, well that already happened in St. Louis when the Cards moved. The Cards faced crowds as low as 11,000 their last season, the people were not only apathetic about following a team on the brink of leaving them they did nonetheless care so they were also ticked off and stayed away (rightly). What the Oilers showed was that they could park themselves in Memphis for 2 or so years while a stadium in a whole other city hundreds of miles away was being planned and then built. Actually the Cards more or less did the same thing, hanging around Sun Devil Stadium for many years until they finally got their shiny palace.

 

[jsharlan]

I dunno why a team would want to go to LA anyway, you will just be moving again in 10 years.

 

[TheFanatic]

I dunno why a team would want to go to LA anyway, you will just be moving again in 10 years.

If they actually build a viable stadium there, then they will be fine. Every other venue near there just doesn;t work for an NFL team. If they build the stadium, then teams will be itching to move and will stay there for decades...

 

[TheFanatic]

The problem being, St. Louis doesn't have that kind of money lying around to sink into an NFL stadium.

A message was conveyed to the Rams by Kathleen "Kitty" Ratcliffe, president of the CVC -- which operates the stadium -- via letter in which she wrote her agency is "not in a position" to pay for a $700 million renovation.

Not long after, Jeff Rainford, chief of staff for St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay, told The Associated Press that city leaders were on the same page with the CVC and the Sports Complex Authority, which owns the stadium.

"It was a no-brainer," Rainford said. "There was nobody in St. Louis who thought that the Rams' proposal was a good idea, other than the Rams."

This is a problem.

Basically this franchise is now a free agent.

And so I don't think this is par for the course carousel game of chicken business. Basically given the modern realities of pro footabll the Rams cannot stay there if they do not get a new or renovated stadium.

It doesn't have to be L.A. either (in fact L.A. now mostly just seems to serve the purpose of boosting interest from home cities and other towns), it could be anywhere, London, San Antonio, Portland, Birmingham, Pottsville, wherever, now is the time if your city wants a team make a pitch; and now is the time for the Rams to either find a suitor and a real plan to move or shut up and stay in their tin can and admit Georgia Frontiere took a lot of cash up front while sacrificing the long term health of the franchise.

However, whatever amount the value of the Rams in St Louis might have risen since the move I'd have to guess that moving from the No. 25 market or whatever to the No. 2 market would automatically boost the value by a great, great deal.

As for the example about the Oilers and the fact that the team would be facing empty seats for 1-2 years, well that already happened in St. Louis when the Cards moved. The Cards faced crowds as low as 11,000 their last season, the people were not only apathetic about following a team on the brink of leaving them they did nonetheless care so they were also ticked off and stayed away (rightly). What the Oilers showed was that they could park themselves in Memphis for 2 or so years while a stadium in a whole other city hundreds of miles away was being planned and then built. Actually the Cards more or less did the same thing, hanging around Sun Devil Stadium for many years until they finally got their shiny palace.

What will likely happen is that the Rams, much like a talented FA with some issues, will sign a year to year deal to stay in the Dome. Basically work for a year to see if they can get a deal done to build in the county or tear down the dome and rebuild downtown. Kronke has bought a TON of property around the dome. They could do like the St. Louis Cardinals baseball team and partially build the stadium next to the current one, tear down the dome in the offseason and finish it before week 1 (or play a few games at new Busch until completed).

There are lots of sites around the city that would make a great location for a stadium. The old Chrysler plant in Fenton for 1, except it is right across the Meremec river and there is only one bridge near the site. No way would it handle 50K+ coming in 10 Sundays a year. A second bridge would have to built.

The way I see it, the longer they go the year to year thing, the more likely someone like Portland or wherever is going to make a bid to get them to move. Maybe them going year to year for a couple years will allow enough time for the LA stadium to be more than a proposal...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The London Rams...............

 

[TheFanatic]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

 

[GregR]

I'm crossing my fingers for you Rams fans. I think having a team move away is just gut wrenching to a sports fan. I had just moved to Houston when the Oilers announced they were leaving, so I wasn't a particular fan of team at the time. But I can empathize with what I saw everyone go through here.

 

[cstu]

The London Rams...............

This seems more likely than the LA Rams to me. The AEG plan makes the most sense but seems dead in the water. The fans here are tired of being teased and it's getting close to the point where people are ready to accept LA will never have an NFL team.

 

[JaxBill]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

Didn't you hear? He's moving Fulham FC to Jacksonville.

 

[TheFanatic]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

Didn't you hear? He's moving Fulham FC to Jacksonville.

Swapping "Football" teams?!?!

 

[JaxBill]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

Didn't you hear? He's moving Fulham FC to Jacksonville.

Swapping "Football" teams?!?!

Just messing with you. He's supposed to be buying Fulham FC though. But I don't expect either team to switch locale. Just as I wouldn't expect Glazer to move Man U or the Bucs.

 

[TheFanatic]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

Didn't you hear? He's moving Fulham FC to Jacksonville.

Swapping "Football" teams?!?!

Just messing with you. He's supposed to be buying Fulham FC though. But I don't expect either team to switch locale. Just as I wouldn't expect Glazer to move Man U or the Bucs.

YEah, I heard that. In the same article I heard that he was pushing to make London the home of his NFL team. That Kronke had his eye on it, but backed off and Kahn is sliding in... If that is true then I get where the $700 million dollar request is not even close to in the ballpark (no pun intended) for the city of St. Louis. If he's not moving them to London and the stadium deal in LA is just a proposal, then St. Louis has both leverage and time, something the Rams and Kronke have none of. They have no place else to move the team so they have to stay even if the Dome is not one of the tops in the league.

Now, if the Rams take a year to year lease, and after a couple years they don't have a new stadium or an improved dome, then suiters are going to be lining up or the LA stadium deal will go from a proposal to breaking ground. Should the Rams still be going year to year when they break ground on a stadium in LA, kiss the Rams goodbye.

 

[JaxBill]

La Canfora and Florio are big proponents of the Jags to London/LA/anywhere and don't want to admit they might be wrong.

Khan has spent or is planning to spend 30 Mil in upgrading Everbank Field. He's been in talks to buy up a valuable waterfront piece of land near the stadium and develop it. He has provided financing to a third party to develop a set of downtown historic buildings.

I don't see the Jags moving to London. Instead I see it as a way for Khan to increase his merchandising share and market his team(s) on both sides of the Atlantic.

(Did you know the Jags have exclusive marketing rights in London?)

Frankly, I don't see any team moving to London for at least 5 years. There are too many hurdles from logistical to legal for any team to move there soon.

 

[Wadsworth]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

What "word" is that? Have a link?

 

[SWC]

i hope they send over dawn gabbert as an advanced scout and that his route is via north korea take that to the bank brohans

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

I've been a Rams fan since before Dickerson. I followed them to St Louis, and I would follow them back to LA... or I'd stick with them if they stayed. Either way... it's all about lovin' the laundry.

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

I've been a Rams fan since before Dickerson. I followed them to St Louis, and I would follow them back to LA... or I'd stick with them if they stayed. Either way... it's all about lovin' the laundry.

For me, if there was a team that moved to LA, I think it should be the Rams before the Jags. Make it a true NFCW. Plus, they are part of LA history. To me they only reason they moved was because of that ##### Georgia. I can't think of any other reason why, which I'm sure old school LA Ram fan would agree.

 

[drummer]

People bagging on LA football fans should remember that Al Davis and Georgia Frontiere owned those teams. LA with a new stadium and a winning team would generate HUGE buzz. The Rams look like a tough team to beat in the future. They played SF tough last season. I think LA would welcome them back in a hurry.

ETA: I would take them back in a hurry too. LA vs SF is classic rivalry.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

 

[C-Bound]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

I've been a Rams fan since before Dickerson. I followed them to St Louis, and I would follow them back to LA... or I'd stick with them if they stayed. Either way... it's all about lovin' the laundry.

/thread

 

[TheFanatic]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

What "word" is that? Have a link?

Read it in a local beat writer's article who I believe got it from La Canfora or Florio or both. Seems centered around Kahn's bid for an English soccer team...

 

[biju]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

I've been a Rams fan since before Dickerson. I followed them to St Louis, and I would follow them back to LA... or I'd stick with them if they stayed. Either way... it's all about lovin' the laundry.

For me, if there was a team that moved to LA, I think it should be the Rams before the Jags. Make it a true NFCW. Plus, they are part of LA history. To me they only reason they moved was because of that ##### Georgia. I can't think of any other reason why, which I'm sure old school LA Ram fan would agree.

Agreed. For that matter, I'd be good with both teams moving West just to gain more parity across the league for overall travel. Hell, Portland is within the top 32 metropolitan populations (#24)--put one down there too.

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

 

[TheFanatic]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

So this is a matter of tenure? Or is this a matter of who has the stronger fan base? Because last I checked there was a LOT more factors involved so the question of whether this is relevant is in fact relevant.

 

[Wadsworth]

The London Rams...............

Word is that Kahn with the Jaguars is going to spearhead taking a team to London...

What "word" is that? Have a link?

Read it in a local beat writer's article who I believe got it from La Canfora or Florio or both. Seems centered around Kahn's bid for an English soccer team...

The same people that had the Jaguars moving to Los Angeles for the past four years?

Shad Khan might move the team at some point, but so far nothing he has said or done gives any indication that he plans to move the team anytime in the near future. He is investing heavily in the Jacksonville community, right now he considering a project that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars. No one knows what the future holds, but right now there is no reason to think the Jags will be moving anytime soon.

 

[cstu]

People bagging on LA football fans should remember that Al Davis and Georgia Frontiere owned those teams. LA with a new stadium and a winning team would generate HUGE buzz. The Rams look like a tough team to beat in the future. They played SF tough last season. I think LA would welcome them back in a hurry.

ETA: I would take them back in a hurry too. LA vs SF is classic rivalry.

People also don't remember how bad the early 90's were economically in LA. A team coming here now will be a completely different environment.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

I've been a Rams fan since they moved here. Should I have been one longer? Is your point to prove that they've never got fan support here (Because you'd be wrong)? Again, what's the relevance?

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

I've been a Rams fan since they moved here. Should I have been one longer? Is your point to prove that they've never got fan support here (Because you'd be wrong)? Again, what's the relevance?

It's a relevant question to those who think a team in LA is irrelevant. In this case, the Rams returning.

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

So this is a matter of tenure? Or is this a matter of who has the stronger fan base? Because last I checked there was a LOT more factors involved so the question of whether this is relevant is in fact relevant.

It's a matter of history. It's also a matter of who owned the team when they moved, and why.

 

[heidbrink]

If history is what were going with here they should be back in Cleveland. How many rams fans are there in Cleveland?

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

I've been a Rams fan since they moved here. Should I have been one longer? Is your point to prove that they've never got fan support here (Because you'd be wrong)? Again, what's the relevance?

It's a relevant question to those who think a team in LA is irrelevant. In this case, the Rams returning.

That makes zero sense. Zero.

I'd suggest slipping out of this thread and heading elsewhere.

 

[werdnoynek]

I'm a fan of the Rams wherever they go... This franchise has been transformed into a contender in the last 2 years. I'm all about it and I'm a Packer fan. IF the Ram's move, they do... I'll still be cheering them on. I don't know / haven't heard of this suggested move but if it happens I'm still going to be rooting for this franchise. They have a great core and a great coaching staff. As a Packer fan, I can understand a team leaving the native land but if the Packers wen't to England, I'd still be a fan. The last few pages seems pretty ridiculous to me. If there isn't support, how can you expect the team to just stick around?

 

[Phenix]

A team will be heading to the 2nd largest market in the country at it's first chance. Do you think these owners care about you and if they get your support as fans. It's a bidness they will go where the money is and more fans can be made. LA will bring in cash and personal endeavours are what moved teams in the first place. At the time more money could be made by move to St. Louis and back to Oakland, now LA is the place to make that cash.

 

[Wadsworth]

The total number of <insert team name> is moving to LA rumors over the last 20 years must be in the 15-20 range. So far none have happened. That does not mean it will never happen, but if you are betting clearly the "not moving" side of the bet is the good side.

 

[cstu]

A team will be heading to the 2nd largest market in the country at it's first chance. Do you think these owners care about you and if they get your support as fans. It's a bidness they will go where the money is and more fans can be made. LA will bring in cash and personal endeavours are what moved teams in the first place. At the time more money could be made by move to St. Louis and back to Oakland, now LA is the place to make that cash.

If it were at easy as an owner deciding to move a team to LA it would have been done years ago. However, there's so many things to overcome in order to get a team in LA. Not only building a stadium (next to none of which will be financed by the city) the person building the stadium wants to get partial ownership. How many owners want to lose ownership of their team just to be in LA?

With revenue sharing there's not that much (relatively speaking) to be gained by moving here, at least not when it involves giving up partial ownership. The status of being the owner of LA's NFL franchise is the primary draw for owners - not the money. Kroenke is also friends with Anschutz (the man behind AEG's Farmer's Field) so there's the possibility that they could work something out that's mutually beneficial.

All the writing is on the wall for the Rams to move back to LA but I'll be surprised if it ever happens.

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

I've been a Rams fan since they moved here. Should I have been one longer? Is your point to prove that they've never got fan support here (Because you'd be wrong)? Again, what's the relevance?

It's a relevant question to those who think a team in LA is irrelevant. In this case, the Rams returning.

That makes zero sense. Zero.

I'd suggest slipping out of this thread and heading elsewhere.

I've lived in both SoCal and NoCal most of my life, and being a 49er fan know who the Rams are and what the tradition is between both teams. I suggest either you make your point, or stop biting the ankles.

 

[drummer]

If history is what were going with here they should be back in Cleveland. How many rams fans are there in Cleveland?

Sure, if you want to block out the years between 1946 and 1994.

ETA: just bolding the part of the sentence I'm referring to.

 

[Sake-Bombers]

I've said this before, but the terms the Farmers group are demanding don't really make sense to an owner like Kroenke who wants to stay in the picture. If moving anywhere makes business sense for Kroenke, he'll do it, but it really has nothing to do with fan bases, rivalries, nor how long anyone has been a fan of the team.

This is all a slow dance headed towards a new Kroenke-owned stadium in St. Louis, I think. Similar to Minnesota, if the new stadium falls through, then the team will likely be in the move.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

I've been a Rams fan since they moved here. Should I have been one longer? Is your point to prove that they've never got fan support here (Because you'd be wrong)? Again, what's the relevance?

It's a relevant question to those who think a team in LA is irrelevant. In this case, the Rams returning.

That makes zero sense. Zero.

I'd suggest slipping out of this thread and heading elsewhere.

I've lived in both SoCal and NoCal most of my life, and being a 49er fan know who the Rams are and what the tradition is between both teams. I suggest either you make your point, or stop biting the ankles.

Dude, you spoke first. We're still waiting to hear what your point is. Stop spinning.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I've said this before, but the terms the Farmers group are demanding don't really make sense to an owner like Kroenke who wants to stay in the picture. If moving anywhere makes business sense for Kroenke, he'll do it, but it really has nothing to do with fan bases, rivalries, nor how long anyone has been a fan of the team.

This is all a slow dance headed towards a new Kroenke-owned stadium in St. Louis, I think. Similar to Minnesota, if the new stadium falls through, then the team will likely be in the move.

I think you're right. Kroenke is a pro, and he will play the local jokers around here like a fiddle. Everything he's done has been a strategic move to gain leverage.

Or, maybe he's still gathering info on how well St. Louis fans understand what the 49er/LA rivalry really means.

 

[drummer]

My only question for Ram fans who say they belong in STL instead of LA is how long have they been a Ram fan?

Why is this relevant?

Just answer the question.

I've been a Rams fan since they moved here. Should I have been one longer? Is your point to prove that they've never got fan support here (Because you'd be wrong)? Again, what's the relevance?

It's a relevant question to those who think a team in LA is irrelevant. In this case, the Rams returning.

That makes zero sense. Zero.

I'd suggest slipping out of this thread and heading elsewhere.

I've lived in both SoCal and NoCal most of my life, and being a 49er fan know who the Rams are and what the tradition is between both teams. I suggest either you make your point, or stop biting the ankles.

Dude, you spoke first. We're still waiting to hear what your point is. Stop spinning.

I've already said it. There are no pennies on the ground for you to pick up, so I don't need to grind the music anymore.

 

[cstu]

I've said this before, but the terms the Farmers group are demanding don't really make sense to an owner like Kroenke who wants to stay in the picture. If moving anywhere makes business sense for Kroenke, he'll do it, but it really has nothing to do with fan bases, rivalries, nor how long anyone has been a fan of the team.

This is all a slow dance headed towards a new Kroenke-owned stadium in St. Louis, I think. Similar to Minnesota, if the new stadium falls through, then the team will likely be in the move.

I think you're right. Kroenke is a pro, and he will play the local jokers around here like a fiddle. Everything he's done has been a strategic move to gain leverage.

Or, maybe he's still gathering info on how well St. Louis fans understand what the 49er/LA rivalry really means.

It's win-win for Kroenke - either he gets a new stadium in St. Louis or he moves to LA.

 

[drummer]

I've said this before, but the terms the Farmers group are demanding don't really make sense to an owner like Kroenke who wants to stay in the picture. If moving anywhere makes business sense for Kroenke, he'll do it, but it really has nothing to do with fan bases, rivalries, nor how long anyone has been a fan of the team.

This is all a slow dance headed towards a new Kroenke-owned stadium in St. Louis, I think. Similar to Minnesota, if the new stadium falls through, then the team will likely be in the move.

I think you're right. Kroenke is a pro, and he will play the local jokers around here like a fiddle. Everything he's done has been a strategic move to gain leverage.

Or, maybe he's still gathering info on how well St. Louis fans understand what the 49er/LA rivalry really means.

I dunno, you figure the difference between 28 years in two cities to around 48 in one. Well, in one area if you counted Anaheim.

 

[drummer]

I've said this before, but the terms the Farmers group are demanding don't really make sense to an owner like Kroenke who wants to stay in the picture. If moving anywhere makes business sense for Kroenke, he'll do it, but it really has nothing to do with fan bases, rivalries, nor how long anyone has been a fan of the team.

This is all a slow dance headed towards a new Kroenke-owned stadium in St. Louis, I think. Similar to Minnesota, if the new stadium falls through, then the team will likely be in the move.

I think you're right. Kroenke is a pro, and he will play the local jokers around here like a fiddle. Everything he's done has been a strategic move to gain leverage.

Or, maybe he's still gathering info on how well St. Louis fans understand what the 49er/LA rivalry really means.

It's win-win for Kroenke - either he gets a new stadium in St. Louis or he moves to LA.

If they can build a former St. Louis football team a new stadium in Glendale AZ, I'm sure they can build one for a former LA team in LA.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

 

[drummer]

 

[heidbrink]

You were the one that brought up "history", drummer. Historically, the Rams aren't from LA. This thread is just getting a little silly at this point though and I certainly don't want to get into a fight with you over this topic . I do respect your memories but I think you can understand how football fans here would like to keep our team. It's our team now. We like our rams and enjoy the division rivalries that that brings. You guys are going down!!!

I really don't believe that the Rams are going to move anytime soon. What is really going on here is jockeying for a new stadium. There have been proposals of a number of possible sites for one. Honestly the current stadium is pretty meh. Whoever was the genius to put the silly clause in the contract is just a complete moron. The tough part of the sell for the rams is that the people of the state are still paying for the current stadium. If the Rams can go on a roll and start winning I thinks people's hearts will change.

 

[drummer]

You were the one that brought up "history", drummer. Historically, the Rams aren't from LA. This thread is just getting a little silly at this point though and I certainly don't want to get into a fight with you over this topic . I do respect your memories but I think you can understand how football fans here would like to keep our team. It's our team now. We like our rams and enjoy the division rivalries that that brings. You guys are going down!!!

I really don't believe that the Rams are going to move anytime soon. What is really going on here is jockeying for a new stadium. There have been proposals of a number of possible sites for one. Honestly the current stadium is pretty meh. Whoever was the genius to put the silly clause in the contract is just a complete moron. The tough part of the sell for the rams is that the people of the state are still paying for the current stadium. If the Rams can go on a roll and start winning I thinks people's hearts will change.

Hey I got no problem with the SOSARS ( ) in STL, although I would prefer them back in LA. But LA as a NFL market now is ripe for a team, since they (with the OC) have 2 NBA teams, 2 NHL teams, and 2 MLB teams. To not have an NFL team now is just a matter of getting a stadium built. To me the Rams will always be the LA Rams, (Lambs ). The Fearsome Foursome, Roman Gabriel. Can't discount that just because it's LA.