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Gorilla Rescues Toddler at Zoo, Gorilla Euthanized (1 Viewer)

Sinn Fein said:
RIF

"For Island exhibits"
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Is island defined literally as entirely surrounded by wat3er in that code, or does it mean visually separated off by a moat from public access space?  I would be surprised to learn it is an "Island" in the common parlance, but then I have no idea one way or the other.

I defer to your obvious expertise.

 
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Sinn Fein said:
So, any more questions on accreditation?
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Initial accreditation is half of the story. The other half is upkeep, inspections, maintenance, repair, etc.

Secondhand from another board: the kid initially got through what's described as a "wire fence". IMHO, an intact wire fence (thinking "chain link" for a visual) does not have gaps big enough to allow a small child to pass through. Neither should it be loose enough at the bottom to allow a small child to raise it up and shimmy underneath.

YMMV.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Is island defined literally as entirely surrounded by wat3er in that code, or does it mean visually separated off by a moat from public access space.  I would be surprised to learn it is an "Island" in the common parlance, but then I have no idea one way or the other.
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Cincinnati has an island exhibit - for monkeys - surrounded by a moat that is full of water, so I will assume it is the required depth - for monkeys.

based on that - I think that is a typical zoo exhibit, and is likely the definition being used by the association.

 
The regs also point out that a moat, dry or wet, can be used in lieu of the 8' fence, assuming it is approved in writing.

I don't believe that either the accrediting association, nor the insurers, would be willing to simply overlook that little issue - given that they both could be on the hook.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden, Ohio Accredited through September 2019[also accredited by the American Alliance of Museums]
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Doesn't really matter, but I'll note anyway:

The Cincinatti Zoo is accredited by a different organization than the ZAA (the recommendations I posted above). The Association of Zoos and Aquariums (AZA) -- a much larger organization than the ZAA -- accredits most all major zoological parks in the U.S. The ZAA accredited facility include many smaller zoos, but also a lot of preserves and conservation parks.

 
timschochet said:
Some, but much less. If your point is that the popularity of the animal plays an important part in the reaction, I think you're right. 
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It may not actually be popularity, but how close a relative the animal is to us. A gorilla is in the ape family just like us and can be considered a distant cousin. A snake is quite a ways away.

Which, I suppose, is another way to say "popularity."

 
Doug B said:
Initial accreditation is half of the story. The other half is upkeep, inspections, maintenance, repair, etc.

Secondhand from another board: the kid initially got through what's described as a "wire fence". IMHO, an intact wire fence (thinking "chain link" for a visual) does not have gaps big enough to allow a small child to pass through. Neither should it be loose enough at the bottom to allow a small child to raise it up and shimmy underneath.

YMMV.
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Its not a chain link fence.

Its more like a split rail fence - but with wire.

 
Are we allowed to blame the parents but still think the gorilla should have been shot? Those are not mutually exclusive positions.

 
Good read here:

[Conservationist and TV host Jeff] Corwin told Fox 25 that the lesson is for parents to treat zoos with the respect they deserve.

“Zoos aren’t your babysitter,” he said. “Take a break from the cell phone, the selfie stick and the texting. Connect with your children. Be responsible for your children. I don’t think this happened in seconds or minutes. I think this took time for this kid, this little boy to find himself in that situation. Ultimately it’s the gorilla that’s paid this price.”
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Scroll down further in the same article for good zoo safety tips.

 
Sinn Fein said:
You understand the regs allow for a dry or wet moat in lieu of the 8' fence, right?
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[sigh]

Well, let's see how this all plays out. There have been past cases of kids falling into gorilla enclosures, so apparently the handful of kids that make it in aren't considered an issue. Of course, this will be the first one of the social media era ... let's see if standards change in reaction to this particular incident.

 
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1. The parents are not to blame.

2. The zoo is not to blame. 

3. The gorilla had to be killed. 

Just an unfortunate accident all around. Why is everyone so quick to look for people to blame? 

 
timschochet said:
I doubt it. Just a bunch of very unlucky circumstances. 
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so you dont think a 20 foot high fence would have prevented that 3 yo to get into the gorilla pit? christ there is a 15 foot drop into a moat that could have killed that kid never mind the apes  ...saying it was an accident is crazy talk

 
Buzzbait said:
Here's a link providing some context to how the gorilla facility and how the child got in.

http://cin.ci/1WWSDby
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Finally, after days I am actually able to visualize this tragic event.  Thanks CNN & Buzzbait.  What is the point of the moat if the gorillas can just jump down in it? 

It really does seem like the male Gorilla was rescuing the child.  

 
Daywalker said:
Basically their was no obstacle preventing the kid from getting down there.  Correct?
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There is a fence, 4 feet of bushes, and a moat.

The moat exists to keep the Ape from jumping up on the people side - allows the exhibit to be higher up where the people can see the Apes, albeit across the fence/bushes/moat

 
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