Greg Cosell on RG3, Bears' QBs and more (1 Viewer)

[JaxBill]

Greg Cosell (producer of NFL Countdown) was on with Ross Tucker this morning on Sirius NFL and he was very interesting. They talked at length about RG3 and the Redskins. Cosell said:

• He has it from his sources that RG3 is totally healthy.
• One of the problems is that the passing game, especially the route combinations were too simplistic.
• Called it a college offense with complicated backfield motions but the actual passing game was not complex enough. Said they don’t use common NFL ideas like attacking all 3 levels of the defense. And now teams have learned how to defend the backfield stuff that surprised them last year.
• When asked if the passing game simplicity was the fault of the coach, he didn’t know “dynamics of the room” and didn’t know if the design was that way because of HC, OC, or QB.
• With Kirk Cousins expect: play-action under center, boot action under center, quick throws on 3 and 5 step drops.

He also talked about the Bears’ situation with McCown and Cutler. Said that McCown has looked impressive but you’re always worried about whether it’s sustainable because you’re dealing with a guy with journeyman backup label. Said McCown looked very comfortable in Trestman offense and made several great audibles against Cowboys. Credited Trestman with always starting a play with 6 or 7 man protection (guys could release if no pressure).

Both Ross Tucker and Greg Cosell said that they didn’t agree with either the RG3 or Cutler decision.

Couple other tidbits:

• Re Rivers’ successful year: said he thought Rivers recvd too much blame last year and credited Mike McCoy and thought teams really missed the boat on Keenan Allen because of 40 time. He had Allen ranked ahead of DeAndre Hopkins pre-draft.
• Re Peyton: Said it’s interesting how Payton’s career has reflected the growth and changes of passing game last 15 years. Went from under center to spread to a more vertical game.

Best part of listening to him was the fact that he wasn’t one of these ESPN guys who comes off as condescending or “Look at Me”. He came off as somebody who thinks he has the best job in the world right now and was just talking with somebody about what he saw on film.

 

[spodog]

Greg Cosell (producer of NFL Countdown) was on with Ross Tucker this morning on Sirius NFL and he was very interesting. They talked at length about RG3 and the Redskins. Cosell said:

• He has it from his sources that RG3 is totally healthy.

What kind of a source does he need for this comment? Anyone in the world can simply watch a 2013 WAS game broadcast and see RG3's movement in the pocket when pressured or his scrambling, then pull up a 2012 game broadcast and compare. These are two different players. The swagger is different, his acceleration and burst are way off of last year and he doesn't have the open field break away speed at all this year. The leg (and likely the brace) even seem to bother him when planting for mid to longer throws.

Don't see how anyone can declare him totally healthy.

He may be healthy enough to play, so this isn't a defense of citing injury as the reason to shut him down, I'm just commenting that there is no way that the statement he is totally healthy physically is even close to true.

 

[spodog]

He came off as somebody who thinks he has the best job in the world right now and was just talking with somebody about what he saw on film.

100% agree with this. Cosell is awesome to listen to on the radio. Unbiased, thoughtful analysis.

 

[fatness]

Cosell is a great listen. I get to hear him once a week on my drive home on ESPN980. Each time I learn things I didn't know before. They guy's good.

 

[JaxBill]

Greg Cosell (producer of NFL Countdown) was on with Ross Tucker this morning on Sirius NFL and he was very interesting. They talked at length about RG3 and the Redskins. Cosell said:

• He has it from his sources that RG3 is totally healthy.

What kind of a source does he need for this comment? Anyone in the world can simply watch a 2013 WAS game broadcast and see RG3's movement in the pocket when pressured or his scrambling, then pull up a 2012 game broadcast and compare. These are two different players. The swagger is different, his acceleration and burst are way off of last year and he doesn't have the open field break away speed at all this year. The leg (and likely the brace) even seem to bother him when planting for mid to longer throws.

Don't see how anyone can declare him totally healthy.

He may be healthy enough to play, so this isn't a defense of citing injury as the reason to shut him down, I'm just commenting that there is no way that the statement he is totally healthy physically is even close to true.

I agree with what you say that's why I thought it was interesting what Cosell said. Cosell didn't go into much detail on it, but I took it to mean that there was no reason with RG3's current health to shut him down.

 

[JaxBill]

Cosell article from a couple weeks back about RG3 needing to learn intricacies of pocket passing

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-film-review-robert-griffin-iii-still-003900137--nfl.html

 

[Braktastic]

• When asked if the passing game simplicity was the fault of the coach, he didn’t know “dynamics of the room” and didn’t know if the design was that way because of HC, OC, or QB.

I feel like this whole thing with RGIII is just a lot of saving face with the overlying subtext that he's either unwilling or proven to be incapable of learning how to run an NFL-style offense up to this point.

 

[ryno1980]

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Greg Cosell (producer of NFL Countdown) was on with Ross Tucker this morning on Sirius NFL and he was very interesting. They talked at length about RG3 and the Redskins. Cosell said:

• He has it from his sources that RG3 is totally healthy.

What kind of a source does he need for this comment? Anyone in the world can simply watch a 2013 WAS game broadcast and see RG3's movement in the pocket when pressured or his scrambling, then pull up a 2012 game broadcast and compare. These are two different players. The swagger is different, his acceleration and burst are way off of last year and he doesn't have the open field break away speed at all this year. The leg (and likely the brace) even seem to bother him when planting for mid to longer throws.

Don't see how anyone can declare him totally healthy.

He may be healthy enough to play, so this isn't a defense of citing injury as the reason to shut him down, I'm just commenting that there is no way that the statement he is totally healthy physically is even close to true.

I agree with what you say that's why I thought it was interesting what Cosell said. Cosell didn't go into much detail on it, but I took it to mean that there was no reason with RG3's current health to shut him down.

Except for the fact that he's on a downard spiral and getting crap beat out of him.

 

[Steed]

Cosell article from a couple weeks back about RG3 needing to learn intricacies of pocket passing

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-film-review-robert-griffin-iii-still-003900137--nfl.html

Mark schlereth, who played under shanny for 6 years, said one of the reasons rg3 getting shutdown is performance based. He talked about an interception rg3 made the wrong read on and that it was a simple pass concept. Basic enough where it would be installed on day 1 of camp.

 

[babydemon90]

Might be case where too much success his rookie year led to a lack of film study, thinking he had it figured out. So now we'll see if he's humbled enough to hit the books...

 

[Fat Nick]

Might be case where too much success his rookie year led to a lack of film study, thinking he had it figured out. So now we'll see if he's humbled enough to hit the books...

I think it's more a case of this combined with him being too focused on rehab and his obsession with being ready for Week 1. He's never been accused of being a guy unwilling to learn (i.e. like Geno Smith), but it's hard to prepare for a new season as-is. It's harder for someone new to the league. Even harder for a running QB, and even harder still if you're dealing with a media-spotlighted rehab.

I think his ability to be a pocket QB will improve, and hopefully with the knee brace taken off, his running will too...the question is will he have any help from the defense or the rest of the team...