Greg Little hype train (1 Viewer)

[StrikeS2k]

I hear he's the adopted little brother of Troy Williamson.

 

[cstu]

He'll pan out if the Browns don't give up on him. Problem is that there will definitely a lot of growing pains along the way and Shurmur's job isn't exactly secure. Not sure how much leash Little will have from this staff.It's a confidence and awareness thing right now. Nice to see Weeden kept going back to him though, especially last play of the game even though it was overthrown.

The way I see it this season is just year of practice for the offense. The core of the offense is extremely inexperienced and has a long way to go. Little has some major problems catching the ball but the Browns clearly want him to be a big part of their future. At this rate it doesn't look likely but stranger things have happened.

 

[nxmehta]

I still think the Braylon Edwards comparison still stands... dude is big, fast and strong but can't catch a cold.

 

[MAC_32]

He'll pan out if the Browns don't give up on him. Problem is that there will definitely a lot of growing pains along the way and Shurmur's job isn't exactly secure. Not sure how much leash Little will have from this staff.It's a confidence and awareness thing right now. Nice to see Weeden kept going back to him though, especially last play of the game even though it was overthrown.

The way I see it this season is just year of practice for the offense. The core of the offense is extremely inexperienced and has a long way to go. Little has some major problems catching the ball but the Browns clearly want him to be a big part of their future. At this rate it doesn't look likely but stranger things have happened.

The entire front office is #### canned is this year is being treated as a year of practice. Who knows if new guys will want anything to do with any of these guys.

 

[sporthenry]

He'll pan out if the Browns don't give up on him. Problem is that there will definitely a lot of growing pains along the way and Shurmur's job isn't exactly secure. Not sure how much leash Little will have from this staff.It's a confidence and awareness thing right now. Nice to see Weeden kept going back to him though, especially last play of the game even though it was overthrown.

It goes a lot further than confidence and awareness. If it were just one or two problems they'd be correctable. There's several, so by the time they're fixed he'll be on a different team. Or out of the league.

The one thing in his favor is that everyone else drops the ball too. Cameron had an important drop, Norwood dropped it more than Little and Cribbs is injured. Gordon is invisible so Little still remains a decent stash in a PPR. And as I said before, that TD would have been a top 10 catch. Yes, it is one that we have been accustomed to NFL receivers making but Mayoch is an idiot and made it seem like a normal "Greg Little Drop".

 

[MAC_32]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

 

[plasticman]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

If he actually caught a couple of those balls the Browns would have won. Keyword being caught...

 

[sporthenry]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

If he actually caught a couple of those balls the Browns would have won. Keyword being caught...

Well that is a straw man if I ever saw one. For one, even if he makes the catch for a TD, they are still losing by 3. Secondly, that would have been a hell of a diving catch. Plenty of professional receivers miss those catches weekly (just ask Wes Welker one of the best receivers in the game on an easier ball). Thirdly, I know his other drop was like a 5 yard over the middle pattern where even if he caught it, I'm not sure he would have stayed in and I know it would have still been short for a first. The 2nd drop would have been a 10 yard gain for a first. So lets not blame this loss on Little especially when Norwood seemed to have more drops and Cameron wasn't exactly using stick-um either.

 

[Shawn]

Butterfingers Little. I figure everyone needs a nickname, and he is no Megatron.

 

[Philogelos]

i've heard "littlefingers"

 

[sholditch]

I don't see how you have a 2:1 pass-run ratio when you have the personnel that the browns do.

 

[beer 302]

http://espncleveland.com/upload/Grossi/2012%20Games/Ravens/Greg-Little-Drop.jpg

 

[matuski]

The brutal part is most of his drops this year have been in big moments.

First downs, TDs, etc. His drops alone could arguably be the difference between 2 wins and 2 losses.

 

[DocHolliday]

I don't see how you have a 2:1 pass-run ratio when you have the personnel that the browns do.

I did not watch the game so this is a guess. Maybe the Browns were passing because the Ravens D was geared to stop the run? If I was an opposing team, I would dare Weeden and his crew of stone-handed WRs to beat me. Even if the WRs do get open, they will likely not catch the pass anyway.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Once this guy figures out how to catch he will be money.

 

[MAC_32]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

You can ignore me, it's fine, I only follow the Browns 365 days/year and over analyze everything about this team - because there's something wrong with me. His mental issues go far beyond just celebrating a 1st down, it's just what the nation saw so I cited it. Feel free to queue up every Browns game you can find and you'll see what I'm talking about his routes - sloppy, incorrect, quits halfway through - you name it, he does it. QB's can't trust him because they don't know where he'll be.I did not indict him after year 1, his rookie year went about exactly like I thought it would, but he had to grow coming into season 2 and all of the same problems that plagued him year 1 are still there.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I wonder if the guy needs glasses or there is something wrong physically because his eye-hand coordination looks so off, I mean really really off.

 

[beer 302]

I wonder if the guy needs glasses or there is something wrong physically because his eye-hand coordination looks so off, I mean really really off.

[WesleySnipes]Seeing ain't that important[/WesleySnipes]

 

[Papa Georgio]

Little just isn't that good of a WR. He is a good athlete. He and Norwood looked terrible.I like what Benjamin did with his opprotunities mostly. I am not sure why we didn't see more Gordon but it seems like he can't be much worse. Weeden makes some silly decisions but I think he will be ok and Richardson is a stud. Honestly this team isn't that far off from being pretty good. A couple years of growth and a few additions and they could be right there in the division.

 

[damageinc]

Hes just not a good WR (he is a converted RB I think ?) . Bad hands and runs bad routes. Maybe one day he can be a good possession WR with his size but hes just not any good right now. They said if Massoquai was not injured , little was goign to be benched (also read that last week they were thinking of benching him) . After this game I fully expect it. . For fantasy purposes hes not even worth a flyer. Also I get the feeling that there is something more to it. His celebrating seemed wacky and I saw one time the coaches were holding his hand and swinging it back and forth like they were re-affirming something to him. Nothing against the kld but he at times looked off . Also they kept going to him on the sidelines and he was just starting into space. For full discolsure I drafted Little to be my WR5 but dropped him after what i saw week 1.

 

[helix]

It is painfully obvious to even the casual NFL fan that Little has a difficult time catching balls in pressure situations. The guy is a converted RB that missed his entire senior year in college and then had to deal with a shortened rookie preseason due to the players lockout. Little is not ready for prime time. I believe the coaching staff is to blame for Little's development. Expecting him to be the Brown's #1 is a horrible management decision. He is not effective running the full tree of WR routes at this point. To build his experience and confidence, give him a few short over the middle plays on early downs and see what he does. Maybe one day he could be Wes Welker light-

 

[Time Kibitzer]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

You can ignore me, it's fine, I only follow the Browns 365 days/year and over analyze everything about this team - because there's something wrong with me. His mental issues go far beyond just celebrating a 1st down, it's just what the nation saw so I cited it. Feel free to queue up every Browns game you can find and you'll see what I'm talking about his routes - sloppy, incorrect, quits halfway through - you name it, he does it. QB's can't trust him because they don't know where he'll be.I did not indict him after year 1, his rookie year went about exactly like I thought it would, but he had to grow coming into season 2 and all of the same problems that plagued him year 1 are still there.

Even if I watched every Browns game this season, how many times would they show Little running his full route? Being generous, I would guess that number would be 3-6 times (I think they showed 1-2 times yesterday)? I can't imagine it being a number high enough that I'd feel comfortable making any sort of judgement call on his route running. As for Weeden not trusting him, he sure kept on going back to him against the Ravens yesterday despite the drops. I know Massaquoi didn't play, but Little appeared to be the go to WR for Weeden last night and IIRC he went to him on the last play of the game for the win, which I wouldn't think is something Weeden would do if he didn't trust him.

 

[MAC_32]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

You can ignore me, it's fine, I only follow the Browns 365 days/year and over analyze everything about this team - because there's something wrong with me. His mental issues go far beyond just celebrating a 1st down, it's just what the nation saw so I cited it. Feel free to queue up every Browns game you can find and you'll see what I'm talking about his routes - sloppy, incorrect, quits halfway through - you name it, he does it. QB's can't trust him because they don't know where he'll be.I did not indict him after year 1, his rookie year went about exactly like I thought it would, but he had to grow coming into season 2 and all of the same problems that plagued him year 1 are still there.

Even if I watched every Browns game this season, how many times would they show Little running his full route? Being generous, I would guess that number would be 3-6 times (I think they showed 1-2 times yesterday)? I can't imagine it being a number high enough that I'd feel comfortable making any sort of judgement call on his route running. As for Weeden not trusting him, he sure kept on going back to him against the Ravens yesterday despite the drops. I know Massaquoi didn't play, but Little appeared to be the go to WR for Weeden last night and IIRC he went to him on the last play of the game for the win, which I wouldn't think is something Weeden would do if he didn't trust him.

I have zero explanation as to why he keeps going back to him. All it says to me is Gordon is still very far behind the curve and Weeden can't force feed the diminutive Benjamin. It's a choice between 2 raw athletes that have inconsistent hands and routes in Cameron and Little. He even tried to get Norwood involved last night after Cribbs went out.I imagine you don't want to take the time to look, just like I don't want to go back and find every single case I'm talking about - Little's routes are a disaster. He runs the wrong ones, he rounds off others, he stops some, and he has issues reading the defense to choose the right one so the QB hesitates to go to him. You can either blindly disagree and just wait for it to come out after he's eventually cut or take it fwiw from someone who watches every game, sometimes multiple times, reads everything about the team, listens to every opinion from insiders on the team, and watches the all 22 whenever I can.

Not saying it's uncorrectable, but it was a huge problem last year, and still is this year. Tough believing that it can be corrected at this point given all of his other issues.

 

[DansRams]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

I love these types of comments. Pleave provide multiple examples. Time of game and what he did wrong/what he should have done.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

You can ignore me, it's fine, I only follow the Browns 365 days/year and over analyze everything about this team - because there's something wrong with me. His mental issues go far beyond just celebrating a 1st down, it's just what the nation saw so I cited it. Feel free to queue up every Browns game you can find and you'll see what I'm talking about his routes - sloppy, incorrect, quits halfway through - you name it, he does it. QB's can't trust him because they don't know where he'll be.I did not indict him after year 1, his rookie year went about exactly like I thought it would, but he had to grow coming into season 2 and all of the same problems that plagued him year 1 are still there.

Even if I watched every Browns game this season, how many times would they show Little running his full route? Being generous, I would guess that number would be 3-6 times (I think they showed 1-2 times yesterday)? I can't imagine it being a number high enough that I'd feel comfortable making any sort of judgement call on his route running. As for Weeden not trusting him, he sure kept on going back to him against the Ravens yesterday despite the drops. I know Massaquoi didn't play, but Little appeared to be the go to WR for Weeden last night and IIRC he went to him on the last play of the game for the win, which I wouldn't think is something Weeden would do if he didn't trust him.

I have zero explanation as to why he keeps going back to him. All it says to me is Gordon is still very far behind the curve and Weeden can't force feed the diminutive Benjamin. It's a choice between 2 raw athletes that have inconsistent hands and routes in Cameron and Little. He even tried to get Norwood involved last night after Cribbs went out.I imagine you don't want to take the time to look, just like I don't want to go back and find every single case I'm talking about - Little's routes are a disaster. He runs the wrong ones, he rounds off others, he stops some, and he has issues reading the defense to choose the right one so the QB hesitates to go to him. You can either blindly disagree and just wait for it to come out after he's eventually cut or take it fwiw from someone who watches every game, sometimes multiple times, reads everything about the team, listens to every opinion from insiders on the team, and watches the all 22 whenever I can.

Not saying it's uncorrectable, but it was a huge problem last year, and still is this year. Tough believing that it can be corrected at this point given all of his other issues.

A huge difference between good organizations and bad ones is player development.

I would compare this situation to the Giants and David Wilson.

Wilson is clearly a very talented guy(same as little), but he has had trouble picking up the playbook and is somewhat of a liability. so what do the Giants do? they keep him on the sideline.

as many think that they are destroying his confidence by benching him, who do you think is worse off right now, Greg Little getting the early opportunity, or David Wilson?

You have to protect your investment, I can't imagine Little has much confidence left... even if he does celebrate after every catch... all the drops and headlines about him have to have somewhat of an effect.

 

[MAC_32]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

I love these types of comments. Pleave provide multiple examples. Time of game and what he did wrong/what he should have done.

Watch the games, I don't benefit from making notes for you guys, just post what I see and read.

 

[MAC_32]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

You can ignore me, it's fine, I only follow the Browns 365 days/year and over analyze everything about this team - because there's something wrong with me. His mental issues go far beyond just celebrating a 1st down, it's just what the nation saw so I cited it. Feel free to queue up every Browns game you can find and you'll see what I'm talking about his routes - sloppy, incorrect, quits halfway through - you name it, he does it. QB's can't trust him because they don't know where he'll be.I did not indict him after year 1, his rookie year went about exactly like I thought it would, but he had to grow coming into season 2 and all of the same problems that plagued him year 1 are still there.

Even if I watched every Browns game this season, how many times would they show Little running his full route? Being generous, I would guess that number would be 3-6 times (I think they showed 1-2 times yesterday)? I can't imagine it being a number high enough that I'd feel comfortable making any sort of judgement call on his route running. As for Weeden not trusting him, he sure kept on going back to him against the Ravens yesterday despite the drops. I know Massaquoi didn't play, but Little appeared to be the go to WR for Weeden last night and IIRC he went to him on the last play of the game for the win, which I wouldn't think is something Weeden would do if he didn't trust him.

I have zero explanation as to why he keeps going back to him. All it says to me is Gordon is still very far behind the curve and Weeden can't force feed the diminutive Benjamin. It's a choice between 2 raw athletes that have inconsistent hands and routes in Cameron and Little. He even tried to get Norwood involved last night after Cribbs went out.I imagine you don't want to take the time to look, just like I don't want to go back and find every single case I'm talking about - Little's routes are a disaster. He runs the wrong ones, he rounds off others, he stops some, and he has issues reading the defense to choose the right one so the QB hesitates to go to him. You can either blindly disagree and just wait for it to come out after he's eventually cut or take it fwiw from someone who watches every game, sometimes multiple times, reads everything about the team, listens to every opinion from insiders on the team, and watches the all 22 whenever I can.

Not saying it's uncorrectable, but it was a huge problem last year, and still is this year. Tough believing that it can be corrected at this point given all of his other issues.

A huge difference between good organizations and bad ones is player development.

I would compare this situation to the Giants and David Wilson.

Wilson is clearly a very talented guy(same as little), but he has had trouble picking up the playbook and is somewhat of a liability. so what do the Giants do? they keep him on the sideline.

as many think that they are destroying his confidence by benching him, who do you think is worse off right now, Greg Little getting the early opportunity, or David Wilson?

You have to protect your investment, I can't imagine Little has much confidence left... even if he does celebrate after every catch... all the drops and headlines about him have to have somewhat of an effect.

VERY This is the difference between well run teams and, well, the Browns. Stuff like this is why we're the worst team in the league and there's no reason to believe that changes until Haslam cleans house. All of the pressure in the world is on Little because the regime has not put him in a situation to succeed. You're our #1 receiver...because we don't have other options...because we choose to bypass anything free agent, trade, or early in the draft that would be a better #1 and you can settle into your complimentary role and continue to develop. He has no chance right now.

 

[DansRams]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

I love these types of comments. Pleave provide multiple examples. Time of game and what he did wrong/what he should have done.

Watch the games, I don't benefit from making notes for you guys, just post what I see and read.

In other words...blah blah....blah blah.....blah blah blah blah......translated "I like to play pretend that I know what I am talking about"

 

[MAC_32]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

I love these types of comments. Pleave provide multiple examples. Time of game and what he did wrong/what he should have done.

Watch the games, I don't benefit from making notes for you guys, just post what I see and read.

In other words...blah blah....blah blah.....blah blah blah blah......translated "I like to play pretend that I know what I am talking about"

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[cstu]

I can't imagine Little has much confidence left

From what I have seen Greg could use a little less confidence.

 

[DocHolliday]

I can't imagine Little has much confidence left

From what I have seen Greg could use a little less confidence.

He could use a lot more stick em.

 

[Dought Man]

10 cent head, 5 cent haircut, 2 cent game

 

[Time Kibitzer]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

You can ignore me, it's fine, I only follow the Browns 365 days/year and over analyze everything about this team - because there's something wrong with me. His mental issues go far beyond just celebrating a 1st down, it's just what the nation saw so I cited it. Feel free to queue up every Browns game you can find and you'll see what I'm talking about his routes - sloppy, incorrect, quits halfway through - you name it, he does it. QB's can't trust him because they don't know where he'll be.I did not indict him after year 1, his rookie year went about exactly like I thought it would, but he had to grow coming into season 2 and all of the same problems that plagued him year 1 are still there.

Even if I watched every Browns game this season, how many times would they show Little running his full route? Being generous, I would guess that number would be 3-6 times (I think they showed 1-2 times yesterday)? I can't imagine it being a number high enough that I'd feel comfortable making any sort of judgement call on his route running. As for Weeden not trusting him, he sure kept on going back to him against the Ravens yesterday despite the drops. I know Massaquoi didn't play, but Little appeared to be the go to WR for Weeden last night and IIRC he went to him on the last play of the game for the win, which I wouldn't think is something Weeden would do if he didn't trust him.

I have zero explanation as to why he keeps going back to him. All it says to me is Gordon is still very far behind the curve and Weeden can't force feed the diminutive Benjamin. It's a choice between 2 raw athletes that have inconsistent hands and routes in Cameron and Little. He even tried to get Norwood involved last night after Cribbs went out.I imagine you don't want to take the time to look, just like I don't want to go back and find every single case I'm talking about - Little's routes are a disaster. He runs the wrong ones, he rounds off others, he stops some, and he has issues reading the defense to choose the right one so the QB hesitates to go to him. You can either blindly disagree and just wait for it to come out after he's eventually cut or take it fwiw from someone who watches every game, sometimes multiple times, reads everything about the team, listens to every opinion from insiders on the team, and watches the all 22 whenever I can.

Not saying it's uncorrectable, but it was a huge problem last year, and still is this year. Tough believing that it can be corrected at this point given all of his other issues.

I just don't understand what you're basing the bolded on. If it's based on watching the Browns play on CBS or wherever, then I think your statement is worth a grain of salt because 90+% of the routes a WR runs aren't seen on a normal broadcast of a game. If it's based on all-22 film or insider talk then I'd say that's fair, though I would have thought that would have got more play at rotoworld where I can't recall reading anything about his route-running or lack there of.

 

[MAC_32]

I just don't understand what you're basing the bolded on. If it's based on watching the Browns play on CBS or wherever, then I think your statement is worth a grain of salt because 90+% of the routes a WR runs aren't seen on a normal broadcast of a game. If it's based on all-22 film or insider talk then I'd say that's fair, though I would have thought that would have got more play at rotoworld where I can't recall reading anything about his route-running or lack there of.

Rotoworld doesn't talk much about the Browns, nor should they, we're irrelevant.

 

[DocHolliday]

I cannot believe the Browns drafted Little in the 2nd round. This is why the Browns continue to have poor teams. There is a lack of talent.

 

[MAC_32]

I cannot believe the Browns drafted Little in the 2nd round. This is why the Browns continue to have poor teams. There is a lack of talent.

One pick before Torrey Smith.

 

[FDC]

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2012/09/the-best-moments-from-browns-ravens-thursday-night.html#page/6

 

[Sam Quentin]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

If he actually caught a couple of those balls the Browns would have won. Keyword being caught...

Well that is a straw man if I ever saw one. For one, even if he makes the catch for a TD, they are still losing by 3. Secondly, that would have been a hell of a diving catch. Plenty of professional receivers miss those catches weekly (just ask Wes Welker one of the best receivers in the game on an easier ball). Thirdly, I know his other drop was like a 5 yard over the middle pattern where even if he caught it, I'm not sure he would have stayed in and I know it would have still been short for a first. The 2nd drop would have been a 10 yard gain for a first. So lets not blame this loss on Little especially when Norwood seemed to have more drops and Cameron wasn't exactly using stick-um either.

Ball was a little slick last night due to the weather

 

[DansRams]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

I love these types of comments. Pleave provide multiple examples. Time of game and what he did wrong/what he should have done.

Watch the games, I don't benefit from making notes for you guys, just post what I see and read.

In other words...blah blah....blah blah.....blah blah blah blah......translated "I like to play pretend that I know what I am talking about"

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http://twitter.com/

Here are some links to help your search.

Please prove me wrong, I want to be wrong, I hate losing.

How can I prove you wrong? You talk about his route running as if you actually know what you are talking about. I ask you to supply which plays you see this on and you start deflecting with bs like your last post. If you're going to talk to talk, back it up with examples....otherwise its just

 

[cstu]

None of those guys act like they won the Super Bowl when they get a first down. Mentally, Little is nowhere close to being there. His routes have been just as inconsistent as last year too. Zero development.

Kind of seems like you're exhibiting confirmation bias to me. Unless you're privy to the 11on11 tapes, how are you able to make judgements on his route running given that you can't actually see the WRs running routes on the standard live feed? I also find it kind of silly to make assumptions about someone's mental game based on him celebrating a first down; even ignoring the fact that he's far from the only one to have ever done that, if a player is able to pump himself up or whatnot who's to say he's not better off celebrating his receptions even if he looks dumb doing it? Obviously the amount of drops he's had so far into the season are a pretty major red flag, but at least he's shown the ability to get open and make a play on the ball (even if he ends up dropping it). If he actually caught a couple of these dropped balls today, he would have had 100+ receiving yards and a TD. It's far too early to give up on the guy imo.

If he actually caught a couple of those balls the Browns would have won. Keyword being caught...

Well that is a straw man if I ever saw one. For one, even if he makes the catch for a TD, they are still losing by 3. Secondly, that would have been a hell of a diving catch. Plenty of professional receivers miss those catches weekly (just ask Wes Welker one of the best receivers in the game on an easier ball). Thirdly, I know his other drop was like a 5 yard over the middle pattern where even if he caught it, I'm not sure he would have stayed in and I know it would have still been short for a first. The 2nd drop would have been a 10 yard gain for a first. So lets not blame this loss on Little especially when Norwood seemed to have more drops and Cameron wasn't exactly using stick-um either.

Ball was a little slick last night due to the weather

How many drops did the Ravens have?

 

[MAC_32]

How can I prove you wrong? You talk about his route running as if you actually know what you are talking about. I ask you to supply which plays you see this on and you start deflecting with bs like your last post. If you're going to talk to talk, back it up with examples....otherwise its just

Already wrote what he's guilty of, he's done all of those several times across almost every game in his 20 game career. Go to nfl game rewind, pick one, then watch all of his routes - don't forget your and

 

[cstu]

If only he could do this all the time.

 

[MAC_32]

Greg Little just now

"We have 12 games left to go 12-4"

Yeah, everything is alright upstairs with him.

 

[Sam Quentin]

I was somewhat encouraged by the last 3 quarters. The TD drop would have been a spectacular catch and if he wants to be big time he needs to make those, but I don't really fault him for that one

 

[cstu]

Greg Little just now"We have 12 games left to go 12-4"Yeah, everything is alright upstairs with him.

Gotta admire his optimism.

 

[BRONG]

It's a confidence and awareness thing right now.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hard to remember a WR with a drops problem who one year just gets better.

RBs with fumbling problems, yes; WRs no.

 

[cstu]

Hard to remember a WR with a drops problem who one year just gets better.RBs with fumbling problems, yes; WRs no.

Terrell Owens struggled with drops his whole career. So have Bowe and Marshall. In fact, Marshall had a whopping 35 drops the past three years.Also, last year Eric Decker had a 17% drop rate compared to Little's 18.7%.

 

[Tronic Son]

Hard to remember a WR with a drops problem who one year just gets better.RBs with fumbling problems, yes; WRs no.

Torrey Smith had probs with drops last year. . .Im gonna give little the rest of the year before making a final judgement.