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Grocery store talk - pandemic edition (4 Viewers)

I am saying it wouldn't surprise me that when this is all said and done that it is a flu strain (worse than some) that is in line with other flu strains. 
It is known with absolute certainty that SARS-CoV-2 is not an influenza virus. It probably broadly does have the physical effects that familiar influenza strains would likely have if vaccines and anti-virals had never been developed.

 
NY just had the same amount of deaths in 3 days from Covid-19 than they do for an entire year for the flu, and that's with everything shut down, social distancing, etc. Also, that's just the confirmed cases, not counting the people who have died from it that were never tested. New models from LA county saying if everything reopened now that 95% of the county's population would be infected by August. And still we have some believing this isn't much different from the flu.

 
Timeline :

Mid week, early, early morning only and if there's a line to get in, I'm not standing in it, I'm waiting in the car until there is no line.  From my experience, Friday - Monday have been very busy, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday have been much less busy from my anecdotal experience.
Agreed ... and finally figured this out just this past week   :kicksrock:
 

Strategy :

... The problem is that not one store has everything we need ...
Bingo.

For those not understanding frequent-ish shopping trips, read no more. If it were still possible to stop at one place and be 100% guaranteed to get everything on the list, every time without fail ... then, yeah, shopping once a week or once every two weeks would work. But it ain't like that yet.

 
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Anecdotally, Monday evening has been working for us. We typically hit three stores (Sams, local grocery chain, Target) to get everything we need.  Parking lots are much less packed than normal.  There is always a self checkout lane open at each of these stores, which was never the case before.  Granted, not everything is in stock on a Monday night, but we just adjust to what they have.  If we need toilet paper, we'll have to go at a different time because I haven't seen it in the store in over a month in the evening.

 
NY just had the same amount of deaths in 3 days from Covid-19 than they do for an entire year for the flu, and that's with everything shut down, social distancing, etc. Also, that's just the confirmed cases, not counting the people who have died from it that were never tested. New models from LA county saying if everything reopened now that 95% of the county's population would be infected by August. And still we have some believing this isn't much different from the flu.
5+ % death rate in NYC for those confirmed infected/testing positive.

I assume that's the same as the flu....if I were to think that this is the same as the flu.

 
I have a 3 month supply of Keto Chow, which is a meal replacement shake. I mix mine with heavy whipping cream, and sometimes butter. I could go months without leaving my home at all. I had used this to lose weight before the pandemic so it was pretty easy to switch to just drinking it exclusively.

 
5+ % death rate in NYC for those confirmed infected/testing positive.

I assume that's the same as the flu....if I were to think that this is the same as the flu.
With the lack of testing it is tough to confirm that mortality rate as accurate but there is no need to rehash that discussion...….

 
With the lack of testing it is tough to confirm that mortality rate as accurate but there is no need to rehash that discussion...….
Tbh, it seems a silly discussion to have in the first place, as the numbers aren't close. which is why the world scientific community and world leaders expressed such great concern about this thing. 

And of course the percentage reflects only those tested, and will ultimately adjust down. Just as the flu numbers reflect only those checking in to medical providers to report it (anecdotally...I've never gone to a doctor for the flu and know very few people who have). And the numbers still aren't close.

If there's legitimate discussion about this elsewhere, link me to it so we don't sidetrack this thread. So far, I haven't seen anything in the FFA that makes a good case for the "it's just a flu" , other than people living in relative isolation in places where it hasn't hit yet. Not really reflective of society at large.

 
I have a 3 month supply of Keto Chow, which is a meal replacement shake. I mix mine with heavy whipping cream, and sometimes butter. I could go months without leaving my home at all. I had used this to lose weight before the pandemic so it was pretty easy to switch to just drinking it exclusively.
Are you actually doing this, or just that you could if you had to? Sounds like an awful way to live.

 
Tbh, it seems a silly discussion to have in the first place, as the numbers aren't close. which is why the world scientific community and world leaders expressed such great concern about this thing. 

And of course the percentage reflects only those tested, and will ultimately adjust down. Just as the flu numbers reflect only those checking in to medical providers to report it (anecdotally...I've never gone to a doctor for the flu and know very few people who have). And the numbers still aren't close.

If there's legitimate discussion about this elsewhere, link me to it so we don't sidetrack this thread. So far, I haven't seen anything in the FFA that makes a good case for the "it's just a flu" , other than people living in relative isolation in places where it hasn't hit yet. Not really reflective of society at large.
I don't think saying "it's just flu" is giving the flu its just deserve.  I was caught off guard when I started looking into flu numbers and the number of deaths from that each year.  By comparing it to the flu isn't downgrading the seriousness in my opinion.  I think the flu needs to be taken more seriously.  I have never had a flu shot and I am probably going to change that up moving forward. 

For me and based on what I have read, I think COVID is bad because of the unknown.  Take the precautions and do what we are doing but when it is all said and done I don't think it will be much different than what the flu results are.  It is probably very similar to what the flu was like before we had vaccines for it and will end up like the flu once we do have vaccines for it. 

 
Tbh, it seems a silly discussion to have in the first place, as the numbers aren't close. which is why the world scientific community and world leaders expressed such great concern about this thing. 

And of course the percentage reflects only those tested, and will ultimately adjust down. Just as the flu numbers reflect only those checking in to medical providers to report it (anecdotally...I've never gone to a doctor for the flu and know very few people who have). And the numbers still aren't close.

If there's legitimate discussion about this elsewhere, link me to it so we don't sidetrack this thread. So far, I haven't seen anything in the FFA that makes a good case for the "it's just a flu" , other than people living in relative isolation in places where it hasn't hit yet. Not really reflective of society at large.
I don't think saying "it's just flu" is giving the flu its just deserve.  I was caught off guard when I started looking into flu numbers and the number of deaths from that each year.  By comparing it to the flu isn't downgrading the seriousness in my opinion.  I think the flu needs to be taken more seriously.  I have never had a flu shot and I am probably going to change that up moving forward. 

For me and based on what I have read, I think COVID is bad because of the unknown.  Take the precautions and do what we are doing but when it is all said and done I don't think it will be much different than what the flu results are.  It is probably very similar to what the flu was like before we had vaccines for it and will end up like the flu once we do have vaccines for it. 
Isn't there already a thread for talking about this?

 
Because ... ?

What do you think would have happened if all of humanity, starting in Wuhan, had just "dropped its hands" and let COVID-19 spread freely?
It would have acted like all other first run viruses.  We are not on different sides of the street here.  

I am actually saying the flu is worse than people make it out to be.  

 
It is known with absolute certainty that SARS-CoV-2 is not an influenza virus. It probably broadly does have the physical effects that familiar influenza strains would likely have if vaccines and anti-virals had never been developed.
I don't think this is the point being made though. At this time, I think most of us understand it's not the flu in a biological sense. But it's hard not to make the comparison when we start looking at it in a big picture view. Especially when we compare deaths / death rates.  

 
For non glove wearers, some of the best advice I've heard for store shopping is to use your non dominant hand when grabbing items and touching various surfaces.  Less chance of contaminating yourself.  

 
For non glove wearers, some of the best advice I've heard for store shopping is to use your non dominant hand when grabbing items and touching various surfaces.  Less chance of contaminating yourself.  
I've been using my non dominant pinky to put in my pin number.

 
wlwiles said:
Not to be the Ahole of the thread, but to all of you going to the store multiple times per week or weekly - why?  Do you not have the means to "stock up"?  Genuinely curious...

I'm not advocating hoarding by any means.  There's 4 of us in my house, and we do Kroger online order/curbside pickup every 2 weeks right now, and haven't had to "make a quick run" in between.  If I was going to go enter a store and shop for myself, my process would look like Fred's because my wife is a germaphobe, and I have two people in the house who are immunocompromised that I'm trying to shield.  
I'm in stores every day as a wholesaler and if I can't find everything, how is the regular shopper?  Things are slightly better now, but I went two straight weeks without finding toliet paper in any store.  I'm in an average of 6 major stores a day and have had one day off in a month - Easter.  
 

 
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I'm in stores every day as a wholesaler and if I can't find everything, how is the regular shopper? 
Any insight into the TP issue?

I've read the link going around that says something like "Everyone's buying about 50% more than usual, and that leads to shelves cleaned out", but I'm not buying that.

I mean, I have a little over a 2 months supply right now ... but I still feel like every single time I see it, I gotta buy 12 rolls. I assume almost everyone else is the same. Isn't THAT where the TP is going -- on top of a bunch of medium-term household stockpiles?

 
Any insight into the TP issue?

I've read the link going around that says something like "Everyone's buying about 50% more than usual, and that leads to shelves cleaned out", but I'm not buying that.

I mean, I have a little over a 2 months supply right now ... but I still feel like every single time I see it, I gotta buy 12 rolls. I assume almost everyone else is the same. Isn't THAT where the TP is going -- on top of a bunch of medium-term household stockpiles?
What is happening right now is companies are making their best sellers and not the full line of products, trying to keep up with demand.  This also explains why the stores look so empty.  Stores are basically getting allocated and will take whatever they can get.  One day they may just get charmin, another day, the house brand, etc.  Also, they may just send the 24-packs of TP, which come 2-3 to a case.  Stores limit the customer to 1, well the first 2-3 who see it buy it.  It's really no-win right now, all the way down the supply line.  As a wholesaler, its beyond frustrating, since I need to order 14 days out.  

Best thing to do is look at Family Dollar, Dollar General- type stores.  I've seen a few in the last week with paper products.  

The next high-demand item will be meat (even more than now).  Those stimulus checks are hitting now and people will hoard meat (especially pork).  

 
Any insight into the TP issue?

I've read the link going around that says something like "Everyone's buying about 50% more than usual, and that leads to shelves cleaned out", but I'm not buying that.

I mean, I have a little over a 2 months supply right now ... but I still feel like every single time I see it, I gotta buy 12 rolls. I assume almost everyone else is the same. Isn't THAT where the TP is going -- on top of a bunch of medium-term household stockpiles?
Probably. I mean I have 400 rolls now and I keep buying it. Same with everclear, hand sanitizer and masks. Must have a whole closet full of each now. Its become a quarantine game for me and I dont like to lose. I scour the internet and if I catch wind of stock I pounce. 

Ham is currently in the lead, followed by Icon, but I am so close I can smell it. Which is good because that means I am still corona free. 

 
One of the main pork production centers (Smithfield) in Sioux Falls closed for two weeks after some workers tested positive for Covid-19.  

 
NY just had the same amount of deaths in 3 days from Covid-19 than they do for an entire year for the flu, and that's with everything shut down, social distancing, etc. Also, that's just the confirmed cases, not counting the people who have died from it that were never tested. New models from LA county saying if everything reopened now that 95% of the county's population would be infected by August. And still we have some believing this isn't much different from the flu.
Could you share this link? I'd love to see it, GB. I've been looking for studies like that. 

 
Best thing to do is look at Family Dollar, Dollar General- type stores.  I've seen a few in the last week with paper products.  
For paper products, this is exactly what I had been doing for the first three weeks or so. However, I think more people started finding out about the local Dollar General having plenty of paper on Fridays and Saturdays, because they were wiped clean last week by Friday 4:00 p.m. after their Friday morning delivery.

 
Could you share this link? I'd love to see it, GB. I've been looking for studies like that. 
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/los-angeles-county-coronavirus-isolation-date/2344209/

"If you were to reduce physical distancing to the pre-health officer order levels, virtually all individuals in Los Angeles County, 95.6% per the model, would be infected by the pandemic by Aug. 1, 2020,'' said Dr. Christina Ghaly, the county's director of health services. "That number is starkly reduced, down to about 30%, if we maintain the current levels of physical distancing. If we're able to increase the level of physical distancing -- people are able to remain at home more than they are today -- then we could reduce the number of infected individuals even further, down to an estimated 5.5%,'' she said.

 
Any insight into the TP issue?

I've read the link going around that says something like "Everyone's buying about 50% more than usual, and that leads to shelves cleaned out", but I'm not buying that.

I mean, I have a little over a 2 months supply right now ... but I still feel like every single time I see it, I gotta buy 12 rolls. I assume almost everyone else is the same. Isn't THAT where the TP is going -- on top of a bunch of medium-term household stockpiles?
I hope that not everybody else has the same philosophy. I haven't bought TP in like 2 months. I haven't even looked for it. We bought a 30 pack back in February before it became all the rage and don't go through a whole lot and are still sitting ok. 

Reminds me of when ammo is low. When a store finally has stock, people buy as much as they can. People are so concerned they won't be able to find it that they buy it every chance they can. Then low supplies become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 
The next high-demand item will be meat (even more than now).  Those stimulus checks are hitting now and people will hoard meat (especially pork).  
In addition to the pork facility in Sioux Falls, I think I read that several other facilities throughout the country (perhaps several in PA) have shut down. I expect meat to be even harder to find in the very near future. 

 
100 years ago. 

do you read what you post?
Do you read what I post?  I said that the flu is a lot worse than people give it credit for.   I also said this is like the flu before we got vaccines and that when this is all said and done it will be similar to what the flu is (after we get a vaccine for it).  

 
Our grocery store has dropped curbside and delivery to one week lead time. They only start shopping for your stuff about an hour before your pick up time  meaning, if you want TP, you'd better get one of the slots between opening time (8:00) and 9:00. To get one of those, you basically have to be up at midnight when the day a week out "opens" for scheduling. i.e. Delivery and curbside is essentially useless to me.

 
Greenley?
Yeah.

JBS to Shut Colorado Beef Plant Through April 24 on Outbreak.

JBS SA, the world’s top meat company, will shutter its beef facility in Greeley, Colorado, through April 24 amid an outbreak of the coronavirus among plant employees and neighboring communities

 
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Yeah actually it is Greeley (no biggie), My daughter goes to school at UNC there and this is way too close to her place up there. Two different plants--several deaths and a high number of cases. 
Sorry about that, always thought it was greenley.    

CBS Nightly news was just talking about the meat situation.  

 
I haven't been to the grocery store in a month. I get my stuff delivered with instacart. It's pricey but these are rare times. If you tip big or at least decent you seem to get your stuff quicker. I also have a healthy food delivery service for prepared meals  My biggest problem is my temperament when going around people. People still get way too close and I get way too angry. Until more information comes out regarding the true dangers of this virus I am just staying put. After things spike and we are on the downward path I may slowly start to venture out. I just think if you are going to have to go through all of the precautions  to stay safe why not eliminate 95% of it and get  your stuff delivered. 

 
I haven't been to the grocery store in a month. I get my stuff delivered with instacart. It's pricey but these are rare times. If you tip big or at least decent you seem to get your stuff quicker. I also have a healthy food delivery service for prepared meals  My biggest problem is my temperament when going around people. People still get way too close and I get way too angry. Until more information comes out regarding the true dangers of this virus I am just staying put. After things spike and we are on the downward path I may slowly start to venture out. I just think if you are going to have to go through all of the precautions  to stay safe why not eliminate 95% of it and get  your stuff delivered. 
More people are going in this direction.  How do they handle out of stocks?

 
More people are going in this direction.  How do they handle out of stocks?
When you order they give you alternative options of items. I receive probably 80% of what I order. When they start shopping they text you every time they have to replace an item or if the item is out of stock. They refund the difference. It gets expensive when you throw in the tip, delivery charge etc. Also you don't get the rewards price you normally would.  I think it's worth it in the short term. They notify you when they are on the way and can just place it outside your door. Unfortunately, they have to see your id for alcohol purchases and there is an extra charge for that. I put my id in a ziplock bag so they don't touch it. 

 
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