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nightshift

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Michael Turner is unlikely to be anywhere but San Diego next season, according to ESPN.com.Impact: In the end, San Diego will place the highest tender possible on the restricted free agent. No team will give up a first and third round pick for a running back.
gotta wait 'til 2008. Who knows? By then LT2 might be on the trading block! :football:
 
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Are they willing to pay him at that level to be a backup?
wouldn't you?? why risk an injury to LT and then come in with a guy like Najeh Davenport? they bring in Turner, and don't miss a beat. and the RB is the heart and soul of the offense. they need Turner more than they need the money....
 
if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.

 
nightshift said:
Michael Turner is unlikely to be anywhere but San Diego next season, according to ESPN.com.Impact: In the end, San Diego will place the highest tender possible on the restricted free agent. No team will give up a first and third round pick for a running back.
gotta wait 'til 2008. Who knows? By then LT2 might be on the trading block! :football:
Jets already have an extra 3rd and need a RB. I believe 3rd is the highest round award for compensatory picks. That team might not feel like they were giving up the 3rd. 1st for franchise player is not unheard of at all. All summer we heard how the Pats wanted alot for Branch and wound up with a first. While I hope no player feels inclined to have a lengthy holdout .....
 
nightshift said:
Michael Turner is unlikely to be anywhere but San Diego next season, according to ESPN.com.

Impact: In the end, San Diego will place the highest tender possible on the restricted free agent. No team will give up a first and third round pick for a running back.
gotta wait 'til 2008. Who knows? By then LT2 might be on the trading block! :football:
Where does ESPN say this? I can't find it in a quick search: Link
 
nightshift said:
Michael Turner is unlikely to be anywhere but San Diego next season, according to ESPN.com.

Impact: In the end, San Diego will place the highest tender possible on the restricted free agent. No team will give up a first and third round pick for a running back.
gotta wait 'til 2008. Who knows? By then LT2 might be on the trading block! :football:
Where does ESPN say this? I can't find it in a quick search: Link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/lastcall?page=lastcall/week4
 
You sure as hell are trying hard enough to get him from me in our league ;) If it's 2008, so be it. With 26 man rosters, I can find the space to store his a-r-s-e until 2010. In the mean time, he makes a great handcuff to LT2.

 
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if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.
:goodposting: I agree.
 
You sure as hell are trying hard enough to get him from me in our league ;) If it's 2008, so be it. With 26 man rosters, I can find the space to store his a-r-s-e until 2010. In the mean time, he makes a great handcuff to LT2.
:beginsmack: Johnboy, I know you think you are the center of the known universe, but as a clue, I do play in other leagues. You can stick Turner the Burner up your a-r-s-e until 2010, but it still won't help you when I open up the 55 gallon STEEL drum of whoop a-r-s-e on your pathetic squad this week! :D :endsmack:The info posted here has nothing to do with my choices, my teams, etc. I ran across this info and thought others would like to know about it. That is all.
 
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massraider said:
Irishod said:
Are they willing to pay him at that level to be a backup?
A one year deal, the highest tender really isn't that much.
~$2 million - cheap IMO.
I think I've heard this price tag as well. Can we get anyone else to confirm with a link or something?
This is from 2005 so I don't know how much it has gone up.http://festersplace.blogspot.com/2005/02/r...t-strategy.html

# Low --- ~$680,000 and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a pick in the round that the player was orginally drafted in. The surrounded pick must be at least as good as the pick that the team would have been slotted to have owned in the 2005 entry level draft.

# Medium --- ~$1.4 million and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a first round pick that isat least as good as the picks that the signing team would have been slotted to have in the 2005 entry level draft.

# High --- ~$1.9 million and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a first and third round pick that are at least as good as the picks that they would have been slotted to have in the 2005 entry level draft.
 
massraider said:
Irishod said:
Are they willing to pay him at that level to be a backup?
A one year deal, the highest tender really isn't that much.
~$2 million - cheap IMO.
I think I've heard this price tag as well. Can we get anyone else to confirm with a link or something?
This is from 2005 so I don't know how much it has gone up.http://festersplace.blogspot.com/2005/02/r...t-strategy.html

# Low --- ~$680,000 and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a pick in the round that the player was orginally drafted in. The surrounded pick must be at least as good as the pick that the team would have been slotted to have owned in the 2005 entry level draft.

# Medium --- ~$1.4 million and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a first round pick that isat least as good as the picks that the signing team would have been slotted to have in the 2005 entry level draft.

# High --- ~$1.9 million and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a first and third round pick that are at least as good as the picks that they would have been slotted to have in the 2005 entry level draft.
I seen that before as well. My guess is that it probably has gone up a bit. Still, a first and a third is a steep asking price and SD might be using the media to drive that price up or make sure that any team looking to buy really brings their checkbook with them.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?

 
:shrug: I don't really care if he starts somewhere or backs up LT next year. In San Diego, you have the best combo of starter/handcuff in the league, and if he leaves, you gain a starter.

The reason I value Turner is because I have LT in 2/3 of my dynasty leagues, so no problem here whatsoever.

 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
 
if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.
I see no way a team pays a 1 and 3 for Turner, PLUS a big contract, when they can use that #1 to draft the best available RB in the draft, and have him tied up for a cheaper contract for 3 years.
 
if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.
I see no way a team pays a 1 and 3 for Turner, PLUS a big contract, when they can use that #1 to draft the best available RB in the draft, and have him tied up for a cheaper contract for 3 years.
Does anyone have anything to show that Turner is widely regarded around the league as this extremely talented player? I see his stats of course, but other than that, the only praise I hear about him is via the fantasy community, and I'm starting to wonder if he's being overrated compared to what his true value may be around the NFL.The way that some teams devalue RB's compared to other positions leads me to think that a 1st and a 3rd is way too much to pay for a RB unless he's a turn-your-franchise-around type player.
 
if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.
I see no way a team pays a 1 and 3 for Turner, PLUS a big contract, when they can use that #1 to draft the best available RB in the draft, and have him tied up for a cheaper contract for 3 years.
Does anyone have anything to show that Turner is widely regarded around the league as this extremely talented player? I see his stats of course, but other than that, the only praise I hear about him is via the fantasy community, and I'm starting to wonder if he's being overrated compared to what his true value may be around the NFL.The way that some teams devalue RB's compared to other positions leads me to think that a 1st and a 3rd is way too much to pay for a RB unless he's a turn-your-franchise-around type player.
That's what I see, too. I think there is no way the Chargers fail to give the highest tender, and I see no way another team is willing to PAY the 1 and 3 required to steal Turner as an RFA from SD.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
 
So then the bet is will the Charges decide to keep Turner or trade him for something like a 1st round pick or less.

I personally doubt a team gives a first for him.

 
So then the bet is will the Charges decide to keep Turner or trade him for something like a 1st round pick or less.I personally doubt a team gives a first for him.
depends on the team and their spot in the 1st. I don't know that they would take a 1st though if it's late.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Well lets see he is younger and cheaper than SA and Edge. Out of the 3,i would build around Turner. In 3-4 years those other guys wont be 20 carry RB's if RB's at all
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
The problem with Alexander wasn't the pick, it was the salary. Somehow I doubt he would sign for the same amount as Maroney or Bush. ;)a 2nd makes sense to me, or perhaps a player, WR or Corner?
 
Turner isn't going anywhere next year, he'll be in SD just based on compensation alone. Then you'll see him get more carries next year and give LT a break from the wear and tear.

Personally, if I were SD, I'd open up the market this offseason and see what I could get for LT2. If the Jets would bite on a high first rounder, SD could draft a franchise WR in this draft like Calvin Johnson. Imagine teh future for their skill positions, Rivers, Turner, Gates, V.Jackson, C.Johnson. Solid defense already.

 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
The way RB's get hurt, maybe SD won't mind paying him for another year. I can't see them just getting rid of him for a 2nd.
 
There are a lot of different ways to look at this situation.

Turner and his agent could pressure SD into a trade. He could sit out most of the season to avoid injury and then report late to get credit for the year and become an UFA. This would essentially force SD to trade him.

There are a lot of other scenarios, but gotta get back to the game.

 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Well lets see he is younger and cheaper than SA and Edge. Out of the 3,i would build around Turner. In 3-4 years those other guys wont be 20 carry RB's if RB's at all
A first-round draft pick RB would be much younger and much cheaper if a team emphasized those characteristics.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
The problem with Alexander wasn't the pick, it was the salary. Somehow I doubt he would sign for the same amount as Maroney or Bush. ;)a 2nd makes sense to me, or perhaps a player, WR or Corner?
Actually, I think Bush is paid more than Alexander. Didn't he get the biggest contract ever for any RB, as he wanted to get #1 pick money? Maroney, as a later first-round pick, probably got far less. There's a huge difference in pay between the top pick and a later first-round pick.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
The problem with Alexander wasn't the pick, it was the salary. Somehow I doubt he would sign for the same amount as Maroney or Bush. ;)a 2nd makes sense to me, or perhaps a player, WR or Corner?
Actually, I think Bush is paid more than Alexander. Didn't he get the biggest contract ever for any RB, as he wanted to get #1 pick money? Maroney, as a later first-round pick, probably got far less. There's a huge difference in pay between the top pick and a later first-round pick.
I'm going to need a link here, as while possible, it seems outlandish. I know there's a huge difference between 1st or 2nd pick and later, but if Bush gets more $ in 2006 than Alexander, something's wrong in the NFL. (there probably is)
 
if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.
I see no way a team pays a 1 and 3 for Turner, PLUS a big contract, when they can use that #1 to draft the best available RB in the draft, and have him tied up for a cheaper contract for 3 years.
Does anyone have anything to show that Turner is widely regarded around the league as this extremely talented player? I see his stats of course, but other than that, the only praise I hear about him is via the fantasy community, and I'm starting to wonder if he's being overrated compared to what his true value may be around the NFL.The way that some teams devalue RB's compared to other positions leads me to think that a 1st and a 3rd is way too much to pay for a RB unless he's a turn-your-franchise-around type player.
It also depends on the contract they can get Turner to sign for. If someone signs him for a reasonable one along the line of Jordan's with a $7 million bonus then it's not a bad deal and better than paying a rookie a $20M bonus. The 1st round pick doesn't need to be a high one and a team could trade up from the 2nd round to the 32nd pick in the 1st for very little. Then the price for Jordan would only be a 2nd and 3rd plus whatever they had to give up to move into the 1st.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
The problem with Alexander wasn't the pick, it was the salary. Somehow I doubt he would sign for the same amount as Maroney or Bush. ;)a 2nd makes sense to me, or perhaps a player, WR or Corner?
Actually, I think Bush is paid more than Alexander. Didn't he get the biggest contract ever for any RB, as he wanted to get #1 pick money? Maroney, as a later first-round pick, probably got far less. There's a huge difference in pay between the top pick and a later first-round pick.
I don't think so:Tomlinson:2001 500,000 2002 1,250,000 2003 1,500,000 2004 455,000 2005 540,000 2006 4,250,000 2007 5,000,000 2008 5,750,000 2009 6,725,000 2010 8,000,000 2011 9,275,000 And a big signing bonus when he signed - this adds up to about 43 mnillion in salary, not includiong the signing bonus.Bush signed for about 30 million
 
Does anyone have anything to show that Turner is widely regarded around the league as this extremely talented player? I see his stats of course, but other than that, the only praise I hear about him is via the fantasy community, and I'm starting to wonder if he's being overrated compared to what his true value may be around the NFL.
We probably hear it most in the fantasy community, since that's where we focus, but I've heard comments elsewhere. LT himself has said that Turner could start for any one of a number of teams - pretty high praise, I'd say. Curtis Martin used to say the same about Lamont Jordan. Yes, MT is LT's teammate so it may be a bit biased, but I bet LT wouldn't say the same thing about Darren Sproles.
 
I'm looking at it with another twist...

Let's suppose you are the Chargers GM...

Another team offers a late 1st round pick for him... I'd be hard pressed not to deal him...

If you don't move him and offer him +/- 1.9M (because you don't want to offer him "only" 1.5M - that would equate the trade offer you just refused)... thus, no other team offers what would equate to a 1st & 3rd...

So, Turner sits out not to get injured - reports later in the year to gets the "experience year"... and becomes a UFA...

The Chargers get... tada...

I'd be hard pressed not to deal him in the first place...

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I'm I missing something here?

 
sorry - didn't run SA, but SA has a big back loaded deal, also with a big signing bonus.

Somewhere in the 30 mill. range for SA, too.

 
Anyone know the last time a RB was traded for a 1st?

This is not a trivia question. I want to nkow if anyone knows.

 
if he continues to perform like he has thus far, i could easily see a team willing to pay the compensation to sign him, only ? is whether san diego is gonna jump at the picks, or match the offer. imo, they would be likely to take the picks.
I see no way a team pays a 1 and 3 for Turner, PLUS a big contract, when they can use that #1 to draft the best available RB in the draft, and have him tied up for a cheaper contract for 3 years.
Does anyone have anything to show that Turner is widely regarded around the league as this extremely talented player? I see his stats of course, but other than that, the only praise I hear about him is via the fantasy community, and I'm starting to wonder if he's being overrated compared to what his true value may be around the NFL.The way that some teams devalue RB's compared to other positions leads me to think that a 1st and a 3rd is way too much to pay for a RB unless he's a turn-your-franchise-around type player.
It also depends on the contract they can get Turner to sign for. If someone signs him for a reasonable one along the line of Jordan's with a $7 million bonus then it's not a bad deal and better than paying a rookie a $20M bonus. The 1st round pick doesn't need to be a high one and a team could trade up from the 2nd round to the 32nd pick in the 1st for very little. Then the price for Jordan would only be a 2nd and 3rd plus whatever they had to give up to move into the 1st.
If this is correct, the first round pick has to be at least as good as the team's own pick:# High --- ~$1.9 million and the right of first refusal. If a player at this level is signed by another team, the signing team surrounds a first and third round pick that are at least as good as the picks that they would have been slotted to have in the 2005 entry level draft.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Well lets see he is younger and cheaper than SA and Edge. Out of the 3,i would build around Turner. In 3-4 years those other guys wont be 20 carry RB's if RB's at all
A first-round draft pick RB would be much younger and much cheaper if a team emphasized those characteristics.
Much cheaper? No they wouldnt...Younger yes but the GM's can see Turner in the NFL.
 
Just because the compensation for retaining Turner is a 1st & a 3rd this doesn't mean the teams still can't work out something mutually beneficial. Why wouldn't a team just offer SD a 1st round pick...and why wouldn't San Diego take it?
:goodposting: does anyone have an answer for this?
The answer, if there is one, is probably that Turner isn't worth a 1st round pick.
If teams were unwilling to give up a first round pick for Shaun Alexander, I don't see why they'd "just offer SD a 1st round pick."
Extending this logic, then why would any team draft a RB in the first. But I do think most teams believe they can get decent value at RB after the 1st. Would the Chargers trade Turner for a 2nd?
The problem with Alexander wasn't the pick, it was the salary. Somehow I doubt he would sign for the same amount as Maroney or Bush. ;) a 2nd makes sense to me, or perhaps a player, WR or Corner?
Actually, I think Bush is paid more than Alexander. Didn't he get the biggest contract ever for any RB, as he wanted to get #1 pick money? Maroney, as a later first-round pick, probably got far less. There's a huge difference in pay between the top pick and a later first-round pick.
I don't think so:Tomlinson:

2001 500,000

2002 1,250,000

2003 1,500,000

2004 455,000

2005 540,000

2006 4,250,000

2007 5,000,000

2008 5,750,000

2009 6,725,000

2010 8,000,000

2011 9,275,000

And a big signing bonus when he signed - this adds up to about 43 mnillion in salary, not includiong the signing bonus.

Bush signed for about 30 million
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9580112Bush signed a six-year, $51 million contract that included $26.35 million worth of guaranteed money, according to one source close to the deal. He was scheduled to arrive in Jackson, Miss., on July 31 and begin practicing with the Saints the next day. The deal, notably, makes Bush the highest-paid running back in football history, earning more than LaDainian Tomlinson or Shaun Alexander.

 
I don't think so:

Tomlinson:

2001 500,000

2002 1,250,000

2003 1,500,000

2004 455,000

2005 540,000

2006 4,250,000

2007 5,000,000

2008 5,750,000

2009 6,725,000

2010 8,000,000

2011 9,275,000

And a big signing bonus when he signed - this adds up to about 43 mnillion in salary, not includiong the signing bonus.

Bush signed for about 30 million
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9580112Bush signed a six-year, $51 million contract that included $26.35 million worth of guaranteed money, according to one source close to the deal. He was scheduled to arrive in Jackson, Miss., on July 31 and begin practicing with the Saints the next day. The deal, notably, makes Bush the highest-paid running back in football history, earning more than LaDainian Tomlinson or Shaun Alexander.
:goodposting: :own3d:
 
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