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Hail to the Redskins! (1 Viewer)
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JZilla
Footballguy
Rather than winning with dignity, you made a BS statement about a solid fan base who suffered for decades, more than you can even fathom, so I decided to bang on you for a little while because it was more fun than watching the Jags suck.Yes, after the game was over, I bashed the Bucs as much as I could, especially to the posters who had bashed the Skins. I'm not disputing that at all.Here is the basic outline of this thread:LOL...please define "supported by the community."This means nothing, I remember seeing Marino tell Miami to shut up. Every team has bandwagoners, but just remember we had a losing team that was supported by the community for 30 years.
jvwdcw the innocent victim bashing Bucs fans right here. Who started what again?
1. Redskins start 2-0
2. I start a thread saying that I think they'll be 10-6 and make the wild card
3. I get bashed a ton for this
4. After the make the playoffs at 10-6, I bump the thread a bunch and attack those bashers. Most of them don't show up.
5. The other Skins fans and myself start talking about the first round matchup. I give my analysis and say that the Skins are 55% likely to win.
6. Capella disagrees and argues and reminds me that he'll bump my posts if they lose.
7. Redskins win and I bump thread and bash everyone.
What did I ever initiate?
Capella
Footballguy
Rather than winning with dignity, you made a BS statement about a solid fan base who suffered for decades, more than you can even fathom, so I decided to bang on you for a little while because it was more fun than watching the Jags suck.Yes, after the game was over, I bashed the Bucs as much as I could, especially to the posters who had bashed the Skins. I'm not disputing that at all.Here is the basic outline of this thread:LOL...please define "supported by the community."This means nothing, I remember seeing Marino tell Miami to shut up. Every team has bandwagoners, but just remember we had a losing team that was supported by the community for 30 years.
1. Redskins start 2-0
2. I start a thread saying that I think they'll be 10-6 and make the wild card
3. I get bashed a ton for this
4. After the make the playoffs at 10-6, I bump the thread a bunch and attack those bashers. Most of them don't show up.
5. The other Skins fans and myself start talking about the first round matchup. I give my analysis and say that the Skins are 55% likely to win.
6. Capella disagrees and argues and reminds me that he'll bump my posts if they lose.
7. Redskins win and I bump thread and bash everyone.
What did I ever initiate?
I'm not sure people realize how bad the Bucs were back in the 80s, but whatever.Jags are awful.
JZilla
Footballguy
Not only were they bad, their uniforms were an eyesore. No one wanted to wear that ####. Or look at it.Rather than winning with dignity, you made a BS statement about a solid fan base who suffered for decades, more than you can even fathom, so I decided to bang on you for a little while because it was more fun than watching the Jags suck.Yes, after the game was over, I bashed the Bucs as much as I could, especially to the posters who had bashed the Skins. I'm not disputing that at all.Here is the basic outline of this thread:LOL...please define "supported by the community."This means nothing, I remember seeing Marino tell Miami to shut up. Every team has bandwagoners, but just remember we had a losing team that was supported by the community for 30 years.
1. Redskins start 2-0
2. I start a thread saying that I think they'll be 10-6 and make the wild card
3. I get bashed a ton for this
4. After the make the playoffs at 10-6, I bump the thread a bunch and attack those bashers. Most of them don't show up.
5. The other Skins fans and myself start talking about the first round matchup. I give my analysis and say that the Skins are 55% likely to win.
6. Capella disagrees and argues and reminds me that he'll bump my posts if they lose.
7. Redskins win and I bump thread and bash everyone.
What did I ever initiate?
Jags are awful.
Capella
Footballguy
I know. I shut it off and am watching the Bucs game on tivo. These announcers are as bad at their craft as Mark Brunell.Shame KC didn't make it in.Not only were they bad, their uniforms were an eyesore. No one wanted to wear that ####. Or look at it.Rather than winning with dignity, you made a BS statement about a solid fan base who suffered for decades, more than you can even fathom, so I decided to bang on you for a little while because it was more fun than watching the Jags suck.Yes, after the game was over, I bashed the Bucs as much as I could, especially to the posters who had bashed the Skins. I'm not disputing that at all.Here is the basic outline of this thread:LOL...please define "supported by the community."This means nothing, I remember seeing Marino tell Miami to shut up. Every team has bandwagoners, but just remember we had a losing team that was supported by the community for 30 years.
1. Redskins start 2-0
2. I start a thread saying that I think they'll be 10-6 and make the wild card
3. I get bashed a ton for this
4. After the make the playoffs at 10-6, I bump the thread a bunch and attack those bashers. Most of them don't show up.
5. The other Skins fans and myself start talking about the first round matchup. I give my analysis and say that the Skins are 55% likely to win.
6. Capella disagrees and argues and reminds me that he'll bump my posts if they lose.
7. Redskins win and I bump thread and bash everyone.
What did I ever initiate?
Jags are awful.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Read what I bolded. Admitting you attacked people is pretty much initiating, not to mention you have quoted so many of your own posts and responded with dozens ofYes, after the game was over, I bashed the Bucs as much as I could, especially to the posters who had bashed the Skins. I'm not disputing that at all.Here is the basic outline of this thread:LOL...please define "supported by the community."This means nothing, I remember seeing Marino tell Miami to shut up. Every team has bandwagoners, but just remember we had a losing team that was supported by the community for 30 years.
1. Redskins start 2-0
2. I start a thread saying that I think they'll be 10-6 and make the wild card
3. I get bashed a ton for this
4. After the make the playoffs at 10-6, I bump the thread a bunch and attack those bashers. Most of them don't show up.
5. The other Skins fans and myself start talking about the first round matchup. I give my analysis and say that the Skins are 55% likely to win.
6. Capella disagrees and argues and reminds me that he'll bump my posts if they lose.
7. Redskins win and I bump thread and bash everyone.
What did I ever initiate?
's, that I have lost count. I mean really, who quotes their own posts and congratulates themselves on good postings? You should really thank your lucky stars that the refs blew Arrington's INT return dead before TB recovered (after seeing more replays, that was definitely a fumble) and that there was no good replay of the fumble return for a TD. There is such a thing as winning with class, but this thread is definitive proof that you have no idea how to do such a thing. You say others trash talked first. Ever heard of being the bigger man? I doubt it.nittanylion
Footballguy
:whew:Close one. Absolutely thrilled that the 'skins were able to eke out a close victory, and in the absence of much of an offense, were able to hang on to their early lead. AMAZED that, minus both Wynn and Taylor, the defense continued to rise to the challenge, especially considering they were on the field for a ridiculous amount of time, due to the O's inability to mount anything resembling a sustained drive in the entire second half.Thrilled for Coach Gibbs. Guaranteed he's not nearly as thrilled about this win as I am. I'm sure a feeling we both share is relief that this one didn't slip away.:whew:Facts about the Bucs:Chris Simms needs some seasoning.The Bucs have a great defense.It's always great to get a playoff victory, no matter how it comes about. The Redskins should be lauded for having acheived beyond most people's expectations as to how they were going to fare this season. Kudos for that.While I'm pleased the Redskins are advancing to Rd 2, you have to play well in all three phases of the game, and today the offense was pretty lousy, and the special teams weren't much better. For us to compete vs the Seahawks next Saturday, they are going to have to show a marked improvement in both those areas. I'd like to be more upbeat regarding this victory, but I don't see any reason to be. I'm all for post-game victory euphoria, but the local news showing the legions of fans at Redskins Park tonight chanting "We want Seattle"...well, we're sure going to get 'em, and the team that played in the last two games vs the Eagles and Bucs is going to have to put in some overtime this week to even keep things respectable.The Seahawks, statistically, are a team that has some decent success stopping the run. This is due, in part, to the fact that they are pretty damn good at running it themselves, and one typically begets the other. If they get an early lead, and are able to protect it, I don't care how good our defense is, we're going to have breakdowns sooner or later. Seattle has TEN TIMES the offense we faced today - a seasoned NFL veteran QB, the NFL MVP at RB, a decent TE and 3 solid veteran options at WR who all possess different attributes. At some point, we'll have to place less emphasis on our own running game, which is our strength, and barring some kind of miracle taking place during the next 7 days, that's going to be trouble.Can the Redskins do it? I think it's possible, especially if we can score first, or answer the Seahawks first score, and keep things close enough to maintain two dimensions on offense. I think the problem lies in the fact that this will be their 3rd road game in a row, and now they are traveling to the West Coast. Not to mention we're playing a team that believes they are Super Bowl contenders, and is doubtless sore about the Week 4 close loss in Washington.NFL.com has next week's schedule posted, and it looks like we're playing at 4:30 EST. I sure wish it was 8:00, just to buy us a few more hours of rest and recovery.Cornelius Griffin, Marcus Washington, LeVar, Springs et al, would be wise to get a handle on Sean Taylor this week, particularly to get it firmly planted in his mind that he's going to be under a microscope after that incident on the field. For some reason, no one seems to have any close-up footage of the 'spitting incident', which I find very surprising, considering how advanced video coverage has become. Without seeing exactly what happened, I'd hope that what was called an ejectable offense was, in reality, just two hot, sweaty players jawing vehemently at one another. I'm pretty intense, both on the playing field and in the kitchen (I'm a professional chef), and I've engaged in some pretty violent arguments in both venues where spit has flown unintentionally during a heated verbal exchange. I'd like to think that was the case here. Regardless, Taylor was ejected, and that's got to be a 'red flag' in the minds of the NFL Officials (unless during the week's review they get the same impression), and they'll have their eye on him next week. His intensity and agressive play is admirable to say the least, but he'd better be focused on how to channel it. We simply cannot afford to be without him against a much stronger offensive team.This thread has begun to veer off slightly in the direction of 'fandom'. As far as the Redskins fans, and especially the one's who attend the home games in Landover, I'll say this much: I'd lay dollars to donuts that I've been to as many or more home Redskins games than anyone here, as my family has had possession of tickets since the late 30's and I've been going to the majority of home games since the mid 70's (I started going to games with my Pops at a VERY tender age).The atmosphere in Landover UP UNTIL THE LAST THREE GAMES OF THIS SEASON has been pretty much crap, with the possible exception of the home opener each year. There are a # of reasons for this, which, if pressed, I'll gladly go into at a later time (this post is long enough, and I'm fading), but since Daniel Snyder took over the team, I'd lay those same dollars to donuts that if you wanted to see the true Redskins faithful in full form on game day, you'd be better off taking a tour around the Washington Beltway (I-495, which runs a circle through the Maryland and Virginia suburbs surrounding DC), and visiting any # of sports bars on that circuit from kickoff to the final gun. Only in the last 3 games has that stadium even resembled, both in numbers, and passion, the glorious, and not so glorious days at RFK. It has been absolutely FANTASTIC to see some of that return over the past few weeks, and I sincerely hope that regardless of the team's future success, or lack thereof, that it continues to grow. There's absolutely NO EXCUSE for the # of Eagles fans or Cowboys fans that attend those games, and how both the so-called Redskins faithful in attendance AND the folks working for the owner, who describes himself as the teams biggest fan, allow them to behave. Maybe things get a little out of hand at The Link in Philly, but you wouldn't see that sort of crap go down in Green Bay, Kansas City or a handful of other ballparks with such loyal and passionate fan bases. The folks watching the games in the DC Metro area sports bars wouldn't stand for it, if they were in attendance in Landover, and that's a fact.One more thing: When the Colts were in Baltimore, I was a fan of both the Colts and the Redskins. I do not like the Ravens whatsoever. I also have little time for the majority of former Colts fans who are now Ravens fans. I have my reasons, and I think they are valid, and I'd be glad to discuss them another time, but in my opinion, the idea just doesn't make sense. This deserves an explanation, and I'll provide one in due course. With some chagrin, however, I will admit that the Ravens fans in attendance at their games truly make me long for a return to the days of old at RFK. They are passionate, emotional, and for the most part, pretty educated about football, and despite the fact that I think they're somewhat misguided, I give them full credit for how well they support their team at home.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Oh, and from the Turnover Margin thread:
So, considering that Washington only won because of two early turnovers (one of which they shouldn't have retained possession on), are you willing to concede that Washington's win was largely luck or are you going to change your story now?
LOL at respectful analysis. Other than quoting Washington Post articles and stats pro-Gibbs, you talk out of both sides of your mouth like John Kerry, then when called out for your assumptions and exaggerations, start backpedaling. You only like analysis when it's a positive for YOUR team.Anyway, I hope you all have reserved your wedding proposals for Mr. Gibbs. This was 90% or more Mr. Williams work. I swear- other than Mariucci, Gibbs is one of the most predictable coaches when leading in a game. I actually think they're more dangerous when behind.
That said, the Bucs had this game ripe for the picking and failed to capitalize. I mainly blame the playcalling.
3 strikes for the Bucs today:
1. Turnovers- not so much as the ones they gave up, but when the defense/special teams CAUSE a turnover, they also need to secure the ball afterwards. Recovering the muffed punt could have been one of the major turning points in this game.
2. Not capitalizing on injuries- When Walt Harris went out after getting hit by Taylor, the Bucs should have immediately come out with a deep pass. Same goes for when Wynn came out of the game. Which leads to...
3. Not adjusting the gameplan and hitting the middle of the field. If those ESPN clowns could see the open field all day, Gruden and his staff should have seen it as well. The dropped TD pass vs Rogers (and the subsequent retry that was overthrown) were both plays where they got the drop on the secondary. You can't wait until the 4th quarter to start exploiting an area that you had a good chance of success at in the first place.
So anyway, Skins defense showed up and played well. The Washington media does need to deservedly rip Gibbs and Co. a new one though for laying an offensive egg in the 2nd half. Maybe he left the playbook from the Giants and Cowboys games back in the hotel? That ain't going to cut it in future games.
JZilla
Footballguy
I know this. But since jvwdcw decided to base his bashing of the Tampa Bay faithful solely on their game attendance during their first twenty losing seasons, I figured I would relay what I know about Redskins fans and their attendance history since the move to Landover.Congrats on the win. gllll next week.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Unless you are 15 years old, you were a Skins fan before you were a Ravens fan. Once you are a fan of an NFL team, you cannot change or add other teams for any reason. Thems are the rules.I had lived in and around Boston my whole life and am a huge Patriots fan. A year and a half ago, I moved to Pennsylvania (an hour south of Philly and an hour north of Baltimore). I have not adopted the Ravens or Eagles as my "other" favorite team. There is no such thing and stop pretending that their are.
You are a Skins fan who happend to jump on the Raven bandwagon when they won the title.
Sorry Cap and gump, it was a weird game.Good night fellas.
valhallan
Footballguy
Hey, Earth to Stupid - this is a Redskins thread. What the hell did you expect??Read what I bolded. Admitting you attacked people is pretty much initiating, not to mention you have quoted so many of your own posts and responded with dozens ofYes, after the game was over, I bashed the Bucs as much as I could, especially to the posters who had bashed the Skins. I'm not disputing that at all.Here is the basic outline of this thread:LOL...please define "supported by the community."This means nothing, I remember seeing Marino tell Miami to shut up. Every team has bandwagoners, but just remember we had a losing team that was supported by the community for 30 years.
1. Redskins start 2-0
2. I start a thread saying that I think they'll be 10-6 and make the wild card
3. I get bashed a ton for this
4. After the make the playoffs at 10-6, I bump the thread a bunch and attack those bashers. Most of them don't show up.
5. The other Skins fans and myself start talking about the first round matchup. I give my analysis and say that the Skins are 55% likely to win.
6. Capella disagrees and argues and reminds me that he'll bump my posts if they lose.
7. Redskins win and I bump thread and bash everyone.
What did I ever initiate?
Don't believe me that there were thousands of Skins fans at the game?Then check out what some Bucs fans are saying at the Bucs official message board.
http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=111420
Some "Bucs fans" say between 5,000 and 10,000. Plus, there are some funny stories about the fairweather Bucs fans striaght from the fanbase's mouth.
Traders2001
Footballguy
The Skins got their ### kicked yesterday , but they were lucky enough to end up on the winning side.They wont make it much further , they have no offense .Brunnell passed for 50 yds and Portis ran for 30 wow , this has to be a super bowl contender.
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Imagine the team that actually lost to that horrible Skins team! lolBucs' defense is amazing...and was 75% of the reason why the Skins' offense was horrible. I'd say 25% goes to Portis' shoulder injury that limited his carries.
The Skins Defense is also pretty damn good...and are making big time plays, which wins playoff games. (The Bucs defense made countless big plays the year they won the SB)
But there are no style points in the playoffs. Either you win or you don't. I'm just glad my team was on the winning side of the contest.
surferskin
Footballguy
being lucky rather than good wins everytime.Gibbs is lucky
I am begining to see Cowboys fans in a different light. I think I just bumped Washington to my second least favorite team after the Eagles.
fatness
Footballguy
Um, this isn't a total fantasy points league, dude. They won the game.
The Redskins have already beaten Seattle once this year, Seattle is not known for coming through in clutch games, Gibbs is 17-5 in the playoffs, the Redskins do not have any devastating injuries, so there's definitely a chance they'll win next Saturday. No way they're the favorite, but they weren't the favorite yesterday when they beat the Bucs and knocked them out of the playoffs.Go Skins.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I grew up in southern Anne Arundel County in the 60s. Anyone who knows that area knows that it was split pretty evenly between 'Skins & Colts fans. Up until 1984, I did not know one single person who rooted for both - not one. On top of that, it was part of your citizenship to despise the other team. Rooting interest was usually passed down from father to son (& mother to daughter), but sometimes a particularly rebellious kid would go the other way. No lie - in the early 70s I remember my two Sunday School teachers (both women) getting into an argument over which team was better.I was a Colts fan. It absolutely ripped my heart out when Irsay took that team out of town. None of my friends who were Colts fans kept rooting for the Colts after they left. And no one I knew who was my age (I was 22) or older at the time switched over to the Redskins - in fact, the hatred for the 'Skins actually got deeper among Colts fans (as petty as it was). I knew of no old Colts fans who wanted to get another team in Baltimore the same way that Indy got theirs. We banked a lot on getting an expansion team, but ended up losing out to Carolina & J'ville. The last thing I wanted was to steal another town's team. I think many older Colts fans felt the same. It took me a few years to warm up to the Ravens, but I think knowing that Cleveland was going to get a replacement (unlike Baltimore, who was left hanging) eased my sense of guilt. The Ravens are "my" team & I root hard for them. But it's not the same as it was for me in the 60s & 70s with the Colts - and it never will be.
BTW, I actually found myself rooting for the 'Skins yesterday. Just don't tell my dad........
If what you state were true, then Clevland, Jax, Carolina, STL, Tennessee, Baltimore and possibly Seattle and Tampa would have no fans. I grew up rooting for Chicago. Ended up in Charlotte. So I guess I'm not allowed to root for the Panthers when I'll never go to another game in Chicago and their games are rarely carried on TV?
fatness
Footballguy
Just thinking ahead, if the Panthers and the Bears play next weekend, which one do you think will advance to play the Redskins?Hopefully, the Panthers and Chicago will be playing each other next weekend, even though you started a thread saying the Giants will crush the Panthers.
simey
Footballguy
I'm a Panthers fan so I'm hoping the Panthers will, but I don't think either the Panthers or Chicago or the Giants, will be advancing to play the Redskins. One of those three teams will be advancing to play the Seahawks.Just thinking ahead, if the Panthers and the Bears play next weekend, which one do you think will advance to play the Redskins?Hopefully, the Panthers and Chicago will be playing each other next weekend, even though you started a thread saying the Giants will crush the Panthers.
fatness
Footballguy
Actually that's what I keep figuring each week, too. And then I end up happy to be wrong.Redskins couldn't beat Dallas, but they did.Redskins couldn't beat the Giants, but they did.Redskins couldn't beat the Bucs, but they did.Redskins already beat the Bears, even though they couldn't.Redskins already beat the Seahawks, even though they couldn't.A pattern starts to emerge.
simey
Footballguy
If the Panthers and the Redskins did end up in the NFC Championship, I would love that. I think that means the Panthers would get home field since they had a better record at the end of the regular season. But the Panthers have to get past the Giants first, and that won't be easy at all, but not impossible!!
Redskins couldn't beat Dallas, but they did.
Redskins couldn't beat the Giants, but they did.
Redskins couldn't beat the Bucs, but they did.
Redskins already beat the Bears, even though they couldn't.
Redskins already beat the Seahawks, even though they couldn't.
A pattern starts to emerge.
Gigantomachia
Footballguy
Seattle is a Northwest team, and as such, will find a way to lose.I wouldn't read too much into the offense against TB, Seattle has not even got close to as good a defense as TB, and Hasselbeck will find a way to get INT's for two or three Wash. guys.Wash. 28 Seattle 17
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Great win for the Skins Yesterday. 1st quarter is where the game the won/lost. The offensive production was dreadful, but the early lead played a role in that. Gibbs likes to sit on the lead, which scares me at times, and did it again yesterday. The Redskins have a tough game coming next week, but never the less, they still have a game next week. Thank goodness Taylor can't be suspended for the spitting incident. We are missing enough players due to injury.I find it a little rediculous that this is a Redskins thread, but there seems to be more bashing then supporting. Tampa fans were posting(rightfully so) in the past week talking trash before a wildcard playoff game. The game was played and the Bucs lost. Now these fans come back in to rip on the Skins? Bottom line is that we don't care about the Bucs anymore, lets focus on the Seahawks.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
The better team definately lost yesterday but the Skins did what they had to - to win.Even the 2 skins fans at the party yesterday was hanging their heads saying... WOW. We sucked and won. LOL!Oh well. The skins wont last another game with an offense like that... unless they can get a couple more lucky tips.Congrats Redskins, won the game on the score board and that is the only place you did.
surferskin
Footballguy
And that is the only place that counts.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
Sure does. Never said it any different, but the fact of the matter is the better team went home and the inferior team moved on. Just like in any sport, its frustrating.Good luck next week, your gonna need it with that putrid offense.And that is the only place that counts.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I have to admit, even as a Redskins hater, I was impressed by the Redskin defense. Everyone is talking about how horrible the offense was, well, they didn't have to do anything spectacular with the big lead that had early. They went conservative and relied on a nasty defense. This team has gotten better and better each week. I have to say I am impressed, many that was hard to say, I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.I'll take Lavar "The Aikman killer" in Dallas any day!
