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.Who was talking about Allen or Hurts?
QB rushing is down also.
He has 196 fantasy points in 4 per passing Td, 1 for 20 passing yards, and -2 per int thrown. He is tied for 5th place with cj Stroud who also has 196 points. I'm looking at it right now.
Did you not read the original post?
Yes, he rushes a lot and that makes up for lower passing numbers. 1 point for 10 yards rushing is pretty standard.
I mean sure. Good luck waiting and guessing on the next howell/stroud.
MY specific comment was about Mahomes. You both RESPONDED to MY comment.
You said "Drafting a QB in the 2nd round is putting your team at a huge disadvantage". You didn't mention Mahomes specificially. Hurts and Allen were both 2nd round picks in my league and both are making their owners quite happy.
Ah, you're right, I misread.
Youre missing the point that people who didnt draft one of the big 6 couldve easily picked up Stroud, Howell,or Dobbs or drafted Tua or Dak as a backup because they would have motivation to do so. Now those people are on equal footing as those who took one of the big 6 but would have theoretically picked a good WR or RB in that slot.
"easily picked up" is a bit of a stretch. Once a QB starts putting up numbers like that, every player in the league is likely going for him. This is like the "well look at Brady and Purdy, no need to draft a QB in round 1 when you can get a stud later".
isn't it just as likely the Mahomes owner took Mostert later, and the guy who drafted Stroud late took Chubb?
Great point.
Yes. My main point is it's easier to recover from a mid to late round draft mistake than an early round. Also, I already mentioned earlier in this thread that if you draft a QB early you better hit on some late round picks
Not really. I drafted Lawrence and only him in one league. And I’m STILL thinking that one of these weeks he’s going to really break out and finish strongly. I’m willing to bet the Fields and Watson owners feel the same. So it’s hard to pivot, which means you miss out on the younger guys who are having a good start.
Well that's kind of on you at this point. I've been saying Lawrence doesn't belong in top 12 for weeks now.
3 PPG is substantial. It would be so easy to go through RB's like Mostert, Achane, Edwards, Etc and say the same thing.... that there's little difference in those RBs to a list of Chubb, Pollard, Etc early rounds. Hate when people use hindsight in fantasy. Bottom line is yes, anyone can strike gold at any position. Those who took the top tier QB's this year early, are reaping the rewards.
Mahomes is my keeper in a 2 QB Auction league though so it's different. He did cost a lot to keep though: 23% of auction budget. 5 point passing touchdowns, 3 point 300 yard passing bonus. These things all make a difference. When I use to do traditional drafts I always waited until round 7 for a QB.
This just illustrates though that taking the QB earlier is not necessarily a benefit. If QBs 3 through 8 are less than a PPG apart, give me the 8th one drafted and I'll use my earlier picks on ideally better WRs and RBs.
Mahomes has been consistent except for the Denver game. Another one is Goff. The main difference is roughly six rounds.
FWIW when tiering players I usually break tiers by 2 PPG incriments.
The range is much wider for PPG in other positions. You start 12 QBs in most leagues. You start up to 36 RBs and up to 48 WR's (non TE mandatory) in many leagues. You could give up 5-10+ points in those positions
Strategy was probably a poor choice of words. I would say that the "experts" have long advised waiting on a QB. Perfect draft stuff. This year, for the first time I can remember, many of those same experts were talking about a big drop off after the first 7 or so QBs. So it was "get one of those 7". Hence, we saw more QBs go in the first 2 rounds/early 3rd than in memory. It wasn't just Mahomes, Allen, Hurts. Jackson, Burrow, Herbert, Fields, Lawrence moved up as well. I'm confident that the data would show that across drafts overall.
While this is true it's actually more reason to target the QBs you expect to provide those margins.
QB 11 in my pretty standard except 6pts per td league.
He is, and it's not even close. Aside from an aging Kelce, tell me what weapons does he have? In comparison to the riches of the weapons some QBs possess like Allen, Hurts, Tua, Burrow, etc, etc, it's a miracle he can still produce the numbers he does. Even with a couple of duds, he's still 5th in standard scoring pts/game. In terms of FF, I ranked both Hurts and Allen higher coming into the season, but in terms of pure QB, Mahomes is in a league of his own and none of these others can carry a franchise on their backs like he has for years.
In my league: Allen is on the worst team, burrow next to worst, Lamar, mahomes, and Hurt middle to low middle of the pack. Not sure what number Herbert was but his owner is in first place. Top 5 teams qb: Herbert, Lawrence ( there despite taking him fairly early), Tua, Goff, Fields. In my league early qb picks just havent worked out. The problem with the logic of taking the stud qbs early just like you take other positions early is that there are 32 qbs and you only start 12. That leaves 20 qbs to break out not counting the bottom of those 12 qbs also in that pool. PLENTY of qbs out there to not draft a qb early.
I would say 4 per passing Td is more the norm than 6. But that's a whole other conversation that's not super relevant here.
Wow, the Allen and Hurts owners must have REALLY screwed up the rest of their draft.
