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Hawk = BOD (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Where did I say the Pac10 is a defensive conference that produces NFL defensive players year in and year out?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I obviously see things differently.yes you were. repeatedly.apart from Bush, Hawk is the safest pick in this draft.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
About what part?
in your words, it's a "speed conference". shouldn't they have quality defenders in the pros? otherwise, all that speed and talent on offense is putting up inflated numbers against inferior defenders.isn't your argument that Hawk is overrated b/c the players he faced in college were all slow?if you're conceding that the Pac 10 defenders are slow and unimpressive, why wouldn't the same logic lead you to conclude that the Pac 10 offensive players are also overrated?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not exactly, part of my argument was that he faced players that aren't as athletic as those he would have faced in the SEC and Pac10. The basis of the argument was that he appeared very unspectacular to me when compared to other top LBs in college and that he wasn't worth a top 10 pick. He was overly hyped because he came from Ohio State and was white. The type of guy I would take at the end of the first or in the second round, not the type of guy I would pay top 10 money for.
wish you would have answered these questions earlier, but how would you answer them now?
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Again, "BOD" was clearly posturing. I stated numerous times I would have drafted him with a late first rounder or second rounder.He'll be solid, yet unspectacular.BOD???
LHUCKS
Footballguy
1- late first round or second round (I said this somewhere in this thread back in April)2- Seems unspectacular, seems to lack playmaker instincts and is average in pass coverage.3- I'm not qualified to answer that as I didn't scout out the other top LBs...just pointing out that I think Hawk isn't worthy of a top 10 selection.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
LHUCKS is just bored and figures it's too early to start the "Troy Smith will be a bust" thread.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Most short QBs don't make it in the NFL.
then why did he immediately replace Nick Barnett in the Packers dime package? FWIW, Nick Barnett played safety in the Pac-10.
yeah, that Drew Brees kid is really having a hard time seeing over his linemen.sucks that he played in the crappy Big 10 that never produces any NFL talent.Most short QBs don't make it in the NFL.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Probably because Barnett isn't very good in pass coverage. You'd have to ask the D-coordinator that one. Hawk has been subpar in pass coverage IMHO, althouh he does appear to be getting better...he was lost in the beginning of the season and understandably so.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
A) when you're done misparaphrasing my comments let me know.B) There are always exceptions to the rule regarding short QBs.yeah, that Drew Brees kid is really having a hard time seeing over his linemen.sucks that he played in the crappy Big 10 that never produces any NFL talent.Most short QBs don't make it in the NFL.
LBH
Footballguy
Give me a break, your first post reads.."see Katzenmoyer........." Why don't you just admit he's a lot better than you though he would beAgain, "BOD" was clearly posturing. I stated numerous times I would have drafted him with a late first rounder or second rounder.He'll be solid, yet unspectacular.BOD???
not much point in continuing this.you said he would be the "bust of the draft" but now are claiming that you didn't really mean that.consider letting us know which parts of your posts are shtick and which parts aren't. tough to have a real conversation with someone who will just claim every wrong prediction he makes was "just posturing".
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I stated clearly in April, in this thread, that I would draft him in the late first round. "BOD" was hyperbole obviously.For the 99th time...solid, yet unspectacular player not worthy of a top 10 pick.He may very well prove me wrong, but I'm unimpressed thus far.Give me a break, your first post reads.."see Katzenmoyer........." Why don't you just admit he's a lot better than you though he would beAgain, "BOD" was clearly posturing. I stated numerous times I would have drafted him with a late first rounder or second rounder.He'll be solid, yet unspectacular.BOD???
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Aaron,I agree with that to an extent and that is part of the problem here. I stated clearly after a few posts that I didn't think he would be a bust per se, but when you put that in the title that's all that people see. A little too much shtick here. I post every day here in the offseason as you know, so it gets boring without shtick once in a while.Probably my bad on this one.That being said, I think he was overrated coming out of college and I don't believe he was worth a top 10 pick.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Lhucks, who would you consider to be elite linebackers?
Kleck.
Footballguy
or accurate
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, James Farrior, Trotter, Ryans, Fletcher etc. etc.
every single player you just mentioned plays MLB or ILB.Hawk plays OLB.
Slingblade
Footballguy
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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It makes it kind of hard to compare and contrast from different positions.
well, it's hard to draw direct comparisons among players that play different positions. If everyone that you think is an elite linebacker plays inside, I'm not sure what that means. Are there any 4-3 OLBs that you would consider to be among the league's elite? Derrick Brooks? Takeo Spikes (pre-injury)? Julian Peterson? Lance Briggs? Keith Brooking? Just trying to figure out who some appropriate comparisons would be for a player like Hawk.BTW, Jeremiah Trotter is well known for being a liability in coverage and has often been taken out of the game in clear passing situations for much of his career....unlike AJ Hawk.Also, Hawk has 3.5 sacks this season while last year's defensive MVP Brian Urlacher has 0. Trotter also has 0. Derrick Brooks also has 0. Jonathan Vilma also has 0. Certainly looks like he's making some big plays in comparison to some of the league's elite.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
this may be one of the best beat-downs I've seen on this board.. LHUCKS just keeps making it worse!!! Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
What exactly was "spot on"? There's nothing to indicate that Hawk won't see a Pro Bowl. He's played very well and produced already as a rookie. He's quickly become a leader on the defense. You really went out on a limb predicting that Bush would be an impact player.Bump to clarify my position all the way back in April...which was spot on.For my money he looked very average in those games which is partially why I think he should go in the late first/early second.I don't view him as the impact player that everybody else seems to.I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.
Bush/Leinar/Davis...these guys are impact players. Hawk is a solid starter, who may never see a Pro Bowl.
As for Leinart, while he's played well, his team isn't winning many games. So far, it's difficult to gauge his impact.
Vernon Davis has caught 10 passes for 143 yards and 2TDs. So far, I'd say the jury is still out on him too.
Looks like you're seeing what you want to see.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
The guy is 9th in tackles in the NFL, has 3.5 sacks, and an INT as an OLB and he's not making plays?!? Right...stop pissing in the shark pool.
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trader jake
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Yup.
A.J. Hawk is the real deal and has progressed a great deal throughout his rookie season.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Just to summarize this thread for people not wanting to read through it.
If #### were snow, LHUCKS would be a blizzard.
If #### were snow, LHUCKS would be a blizzard.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
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Slingblade
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Hawk is a bust -- just like Marques Colston, DeMeco Ryans, Marcus McNeill, and Vince Young are busts. (Actually, LHUCKS probably agrees on the last point. 
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It was okay to think that Hawk would be a bust back before the season started. But to continue to think so now is on par with H.K.'s steady insistence that Antonio Gates won't be a top five TE this year.
At some point, positions that may have been reasonable at one time just become wrong.
)It was okay to think that Hawk would be a bust back before the season started. But to continue to think so now is on par with H.K.'s steady insistence that Antonio Gates won't be a top five TE this year.
At some point, positions that may have been reasonable at one time just become wrong.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I've stated back in April and now that Hawk was not a bust...overrated, yes, but not a bust.Hawk is a bust -- just like Marques Colston, DeMeco Ryans, Marcus McNeill, and Vince Young are busts. (Actually, LHUCKS probably agrees on the last point.
LHUCKS, I'm supprised at you. You condemn Hawk because you say "the Big-10 sucks", yet you have the following at the bottom of your sig:
QUOTE(LHUCKS @ Dec 4 2006, 02:23 PM)
I've said all along LSU can beat any team in the nation...I also believe that to be true of Ohio State and USC.
These are the three teams that I think would have the best record if they played every top 25 team 100 times.
QUOTE(LHUCKS @ Dec 4 2006, 02:23 PM)
I've said all along LSU can beat any team in the nation...I also believe that to be true of Ohio State and USC.
These are the three teams that I think would have the best record if they played every top 25 team 100 times.
Well, I didn't read the whole thread. Just the title and the last few posts.I think the Packer coaches would tell you that Hawk has justified his draft position so far. (And they wouldn't be fibbing.)I've stated back in April and now that Hawk was not a bust...overrated, yes, but not a bust.Hawk is a bust -- just like Marques Colston, DeMeco Ryans, Marcus McNeill, and Vince Young are busts. (Actually, LHUCKS probably agrees on the last point.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
I agree, the title wasn't really fishing, but it was somewhat shtick and is misleading as to what I was really trying to say here.Well, I didn't read the whole thread. Just the title and the last few posts.I think the Packer coaches would tell you that Hawk has justified his draft position so far. (And they wouldn't be fibbing.)I've stated back in April and now that Hawk was not a bust...overrated, yes, but not a bust.Hawk is a bust -- just like Marques Colston, DeMeco Ryans, Marcus McNeill, and Vince Young are busts. (Actually, LHUCKS probably agrees on the last point.
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Just curious here, what kind of numbers would he have to put up to be worthy of the top 10 pick in your mind?
Capella
Footballguy
I agree, the title wasn't really fishing, but it was somewhat shtick and is misleading as to what I was really trying to say here.Well, I didn't read the whole thread. Just the title and the last few posts.I think the Packer coaches would tell you that Hawk has justified his draft position so far. (And they wouldn't be fibbing.)I've stated back in April and now that Hawk was not a bust...overrated, yes, but not a bust.Hawk is a bust -- just like Marques Colston, DeMeco Ryans, Marcus McNeill, and Vince Young are busts. (Actually, LHUCKS probably agrees on the last point.
the ol "I was just kidding, it was SHTICK" shtick. Cute. 
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I think he contradicted himself with that statement. :seesig:
