HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[SeveredHorseHeads]

So was that the extent of the Dorne storyline this season? What a waste of time.

 

[Gr00vus]

So was that the extent of the Dorne storyline this season? What a waste of time.

Yeah, it's a real shame as I feel they didn't give Alexander Siddig enough screen time. He nails every scene he's in and Doran is one of the more interesting characters remaining in the books for me that we haven't gotten a lot of material for.

"I believe in second chances, but not in third chances." I'm pretty sure that was directed at the Lannisters and not Ellaria. It would kinda suck if they just glossed over Doran divulging his deep plans. Seems like they're going to jump straight to Trystane and Myrcella getting married and then an attempt on Tommen's life.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not a fan of Ramsay and a small crew going in and doing that much damage out of the blue. Twice now he has been able to do something like that.

The way the scene was shot, it sure seemed to me like Mellisandre wasn't exactly distressed about what was going on. I'm thinking she may have helped things along a bit even if she wasn't in on the plan from the start.

I thought she was having a vision because of the way she was just standing there. Then they cut to the cleanup, and i was a tad confused for a bit.

 

[Sebowski]

Not a fan of Ramsay and a small crew going in and doing that much damage out of the blue. Twice now he has been able to do something like that.

The way the scene was shot, it sure seemed to me like Mellisandre wasn't exactly distressed about what was going on. I'm thinking she may have helped things along a bit even if she wasn't in on the plan from the start.

Or she knew that Stannis would give up the daughter for sure now.

 

[Gr00vus]

Not a fan of Ramsay and a small crew going in and doing that much damage out of the blue. Twice now he has been able to do something like that.

The way the scene was shot, it sure seemed to me like Mellisandre wasn't exactly distressed about what was going on. I'm thinking she may have helped things along a bit even if she wasn't in on the plan from the start.

Or she knew that Stannis would give up the daughter for sure now.

Right, the worse the damage, the greater the desperation on Stannis's part.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So was that the extent of the Dorne storyline this season? What a waste of time.

completely should of keep stoneheart and brotherhood and Jamie in the riverlands. Oh well. 1 nice set of knockers

 

[PatsWillWin]

I really wasn't a fan of the Shireen burning. For some reason, it felt over the top and distasteful. Even with all that has happened in this show, that was just a bit much for me.

Everything else about the episode (and the last one) rocked.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

I think Stannis knows he's damned himself personally, but still thinks it was the right thing to do.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Let's torch one of those dorks from the TV-only thread.

 

[Gr00vus]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

 

[Gr00vus]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

 

[sn0mm1s]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

The writers have missed or cut some huge/important scenes.

1) Jaime telling Tyrion that Tysha wasn't a whore (the primary impetus for Tyrion's killing of Tywin)

2) Arya flipping out and killing The Tickler

3) Jon sparing Ygritte rather than chasing her

4) Jaime going to the Riverlands

5) The entire Martell/Targaryen alliance

 

[Uruk-Hai]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

The writers have missed or cut some huge/important scenes.

1) Jaime telling Tyrion that Tysha wasn't a whore (the primary impetus for Tyrion's killing of Tywin)

2) Arya flipping out and killing The Tickler

3) Jon sparing Ygritte rather than chasing her

4) Jaime going to the Riverlands

5) The entire Martell/Targaryen alliance

1 & 5 are the most disappointing for me.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

The writers have missed or cut some huge/important scenes.

1) Jaime telling Tyrion that Tysha wasn't a whore (the primary impetus for Tyrion's killing of Tywin)

2) Arya flipping out and killing The Tickler

3) Jon sparing Ygritte rather than chasing her

4) Jaime going to the Riverlands

5) The entire Martell/Targaryen alliance

1 & 5 are the most disappointing for me.

I think they missed the house of the undying as well. while it was still cool, and got to the main point, I think it could of been better but they burned their budget on the battle of blackwater (tyrions chain missing was big too)

 

[Gr00vus]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

That's one of my favorite revelations from the books. It's possible they yada yadaed that, but I'm thinking we may get some version of it in the future - they have to explain Doran's true motives at some point.

 

[Gator Shawn]

You guys ever watch the "Gay of Thrones" recaps on Funny or Die?

I just love trying to keep up with all of the nicknames they've given the characters. Some of them are pretty funny.

Bill Nye Westeror Science Guy for Qyburn

Orphan Ginger for Sansa

Baby Kristen Stewart for Arya

Stevie Nicks Red Riding Hood for Melisandre

Wildling's Louis CK for Tormund

This week: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0a7b1fb39a/gay-of-thrones-s5-ep-9-recap

lol @ Between Jobs Jason Statham

 

[PatsWillWin]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

The writers have missed or cut some huge/important scenes.

1) Jaime telling Tyrion that Tysha wasn't a whore (the primary impetus for Tyrion's killing of Tywin)

2) Arya flipping out and killing The Tickler

3) Jon sparing Ygritte rather than chasing her

4) Jaime going to the Riverlands

5) The entire Martell/Targaryen alliance

Funny, I thought #5 was kind of a waste of time in the books.

#4 is one of the more disappointing omissions from the show, especially considering what it was replaced with (Dorne).

Jon kinda spared Ygritte. He didn't cut her head off, then she just kinda looked at him and ran. He didn't mean to cut her loose obviously, but he didn't kill her.

I'm not sure why they left out the Tysha revelation. It might be because the whole Tysha thing didn't play a huge role in the show. Tyrion talked about it in the first season, but then I'm not sure it was referenced again. In the books, Tyrion obsesses over it, and Cersei is constantly bringing it up to make fun of him, so it's a lot more present.

 

[sn0mm1s]

How does the show want us to feel about Ellaria now? That her grief broke and she's come around to Doran's way of thinking or that she's faking contrition and is going to make an attempt to do some real damage? Her turnabout came awfully quick for all of the venom she was showing.

As I surmised a few posts up - I don't think that "I believe in second chances, but not in third chances" scene was about forgiving Ellaria, I think it was about not forgiving the Lannisters. She's not crying because she's relieved at Doran's mercy or because she's scared. She's crying because he's told her (off screen) his true plans and she's happy that he's setting things in motion. That also explains her scene with Jamie. She's in on Doran's scheme and now she's helping with the set up.

If that's true, then the writers missed a chance to include a truly epic scene from the books. I'm having a hard time believing they did, given their history of shoehorning in the high book-notes, but you may be right.

Which epic scene are you referring to?

Doran's "fire and blood" speech. I would think he'd have given that to Ellaria in order to sway her since she's taken a lot of Arrianne's arc.

The writers have missed or cut some huge/important scenes.

1) Jaime telling Tyrion that Tysha wasn't a whore (the primary impetus for Tyrion's killing of Tywin)

2) Arya flipping out and killing The Tickler

3) Jon sparing Ygritte rather than chasing her

4) Jaime going to the Riverlands

5) The entire Martell/Targaryen alliance

Funny, I thought #5 was kind of a waste of time in the books.

#4 is one of the more disappointing omissions from the show, especially considering what it was replaced with (Dorne).

Jon kinda spared Ygritte. He didn't cut her head off, then she just kinda looked at him and ran. He didn't mean to cut her loose obviously, but he didn't kill her.

I'm not sure why they left out the Tysha revelation. It might be because the whole Tysha thing didn't play a huge role in the show. Tyrion talked about it in the first season, but then I'm not sure it was referenced again. In the books, Tyrion obsesses over it, and Cersei is constantly bringing it up to make fun of him, so it's a lot more present.

#5 Pretty much defines Illyrio, Varys, and Dorne's intentions practically from the end of Robert's Rebellion.

What happened in the show is quite a bit different from Jon letting her go and then having a conversation with Qhorin telling him why. That single scene give a lot of insight into Jon, Qhorin, and why Qhorin wants Jon to join the wildlings (and not any of the others).

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Isn't it still possible Doran could do the justice, vengeance, fire and blood reveal in the final episode?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Isn't it still possible Doran could do the justice, vengeance, fire and blood reveal in the final episode?

I think it is. Otherwise, he's acting like a complete #####.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Isn't it still possible Doran could do the justice, vengeance, fire and blood reveal in the final episode?

I think it is. Otherwise, he's acting like a complete #####.

I feel like he isn't built up enough yet for all that.

 

[Rick James]

still holding out hope for a LSH reveal in the finale.

 

[Buckna]

Feel like we are going to get a heavy dose of Dorne again next season. Possibly Jaime and Ellaria taking the place of the kingsguard guy & the sand snake. Or they mentioned Kevan is back running things and we haven't seen Varys in a while, we might get that Kevan & Pycelle scene I was hoping for.

With Kevan dead, they could go back to making Jaime the army commander and doing the Riverlands story next year.

Is it confirmed that there are only going to be two more seasons? Thought I read that somewhere. If so, doesn't seem like they have much time left to get to the point/end. Got a massive winter and war with the dead coming (one assumes.)

 

[Harry Manback]

Its a lock Stannis wins the battle of Winterfell now. The Lord of Light is 100% when sacrifices are made imo.

I could actually see a scenario where GRRM is just messing with us, and Stannis is indeed Azhor Azzhi. We all think he's not, but he certainly could be.

If you've read any of Martin's other work, you'd know he's a twisted soul.

I think he's the Nights king, but that could work.

Look into how Lightbringer was made...

 

[Harry Manback]

Maybe Jon is Night's King?

 

[(HULK)]

Maybe Jon is Night's King?

Wildlings already call him "King Crow"

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm slightly bummed they haven't shown the thin man testing out all the coins he's taking in by biting them. I really liked how cleverly that all played out in the books, and I'm assuming the show is going to do something a bit more direct since they've omitted that.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm slightly bummed they haven't shown the thin man testing out all the coins he's taking in by biting them. I really liked how cleverly that all played out in the books, and I'm assuming the show is going to do something a bit more direct since they've omitted that.

Well, they are sort of combining two stories into one with Arya - giving the gift to the insurance guy, and killing the guy from Westeros. My guess is she does both, and at the end of her scene is given the milk to drink, and the screen goes black...then when Ollie stabs Jon Snow, the screen goes black again, and everyone will be freaking out....

 

[Thunderlips]

I'm slightly bummed they haven't shown the thin man testing out all the coins he's taking in by biting them. I really liked how cleverly that all played out in the books, and I'm assuming the show is going to do something a bit more direct since they've omitted that.

Well, they are sort of combining two stories into one with Arya - giving the gift to the insurance guy, and killing the guy from Westeros. My guess is she does both, and at the end of her scene is given the milk to drink, and the screen goes black...then when Ollie stabs Jon Snow, the screen goes black again, and everyone will be freaking out....

But not before Stannis goes to a Northern Inn, sees the song LIGHT MY FIRE by the Doors in a medevial jukebox , plays it and then it goes to black on him......

 

[Kraft...]

I'm slightly bummed they haven't shown the thin man testing out all the coins he's taking in by biting them. I really liked how cleverly that all played out in the books, and I'm assuming the show is going to do something a bit more direct since they've omitted that.

Poison instead of vinegar on the oysters, much more boring

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm slightly bummed they haven't shown the thin man testing out all the coins he's taking in by biting them. I really liked how cleverly that all played out in the books, and I'm assuming the show is going to do something a bit more direct since they've omitted that.

Poison instead of vinegar on the oysters, much more boring

It also removes an example of just how smart/devious Arya is/has become. By putting the poison on the coins it makes it much tougher to pin the crime on Arya. By putting it on the oysters, she's obviously the lead suspect. That's the whole point of the faceless men - you never know who actually did the deed.

 

[shuke]

Maybe Jon is Night's King?

What are you guys talking about? I thought the Night King thing happened centuries ago?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so the show is pretty much caught up. any chance that GRRM releases the 6th book before the next HBO season?

21 hours ( presumably) of the show left.

 

[sn0mm1s]

so the show is pretty much caught up. any chance that GRRM releases the 6th book before the next HBO season?

21 hours ( presumably) of the show left.

Yes, but the final season will definitely beat the final book.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

so the show is pretty much caught up. any chance that GRRM releases the 6th book before the next HBO season?

21 hours ( presumably) of the show left.

That's what GRRM says is going to happen.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Maybe Jon is Night's King?

What are you guys talking about? I thought the Night King thing happened centuries ago?

Correct. And apparently GRRM has confirmed that the Night's King of that story would have died long long long ago and that regardless of whether that is how the show refers to the white walker leader, that is not the same guy from Brandon the builder's time. I have no link though but I read that somewhere this week.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

It's hard for me to understand how they will wrap this all in 21 more episodes. It should be interesting.

 

[Sebowski]

If that little #### stabs Snow that would be some of the worst TV in history. They've made that way too obvious.

 

[Mile High]

Rumor has it the show isn't done with the Martells and Dorne and something happens in the final.

Edited to add link : https://sg.news.yahoo.com/a-sand-snake-in-singapore---jessica-henwick-speaks-063840208.html

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

If that little #### stabs Snow that would be some of the worst TV in history. They've made that way too obvious.

It's going to happen and it's going to come across as gimmicky, I think. Like killing main characters is just the show's shtick now and it's just being done for shock value.

 

[CBusAlex]

If that little #### stabs Snow that would be some of the worst TV in history. They've made that way too obvious.

It's going to happen and it's going to come across as gimmicky, I think. Like killing main characters is just the show's shtick now and it's just being done for shock value.

Can't wait for Tobias and Karma to spend 80 pages in the TV thread explaining why it's lazy writing and doesn't advance the plot.

 

[KarmaPolice]

If that little #### stabs Snow that would be some of the worst TV in history. They've made that way too obvious.

It's going to happen and it's going to come across as gimmicky, I think. Like killing main characters is just the show's shtick now and it's just being done for shock value.

Can't wait for Tobias and Karma to spend 80 pages in the TV thread explaining why it's lazy writing and doesn't advance the plot.

You can choose not to read it.

And yes, if they replaced a Night's Watch coup with that annoying brat doing the deed, it would be another mistake.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The only glaring book to TV change that really really bugged me was trading the Riverlands for Dorne.

 

[EYLive]

I hope the wolves make a comeback. They're always good whichever scene they're in.

 

[Gr00vus]

Rumor has it the show isn't done with the Martells and Dorne and something happens in the final.

Edited to add link : https://sg.news.yahoo.com/a-sand-snake-in-singapore---jessica-henwick-speaks-063840208.html

It'd be something if they had the sand snakes off Jamie.

 

[shuke]

Maybe Jon is Night's King?

What are you guys talking about? I thought the Night King thing happened centuries ago?

Correct. And apparently GRRM has confirmed that the Night's King of that story would have died long long long ago and that regardless of whether that is how the show refers to the white walker leader, that is not the same guy from Brandon the builder's time. I have no link though but I read that somewhere this week.

So how the #### would Stannis or Jon be the Night's King?

 

[strykerpks]

If that little #### stabs Snow that would be some of the worst TV in history. They've made that way too obvious.

It's going to happen and it's going to come across as gimmicky, I think. Like killing main characters is just the show's shtick now and it's just being done for shock value.

Can't wait for Tobias and Karma to spend 80 pages in the TV thread explaining why it's lazy writing and doesn't advance the plot.

You can choose not to read it.

And yes, if they replaced a Night's Watch coup with that annoying brat doing the deed, it would be another mistake.

Easy there, Tim

 

[renesauz]

Didn't see this latest episode until last night, but couldn't help but wonder what all the whining re. the Harpies and Dany's troops was about (mostly in the TV only thread). Most of the ones it showed getting killed were surrounded, hopelessly outnumbered and typically killed from behind as they took out someone in front of them. Given space and the ability to work together on the pit floor, they were more than holding their own, although in a very obviously losing situation before the dragon showed up.