HC Dan Campbell, DET (1 Viewer)

[ignatiusjreilly]

Hoenst question to those out there (Dolphin Fan here so no dog in this fight), but would you prefer a coach who basically said "we are not punting, period" vs the coach who punts when he shouldn't?

If I was an owner, I'd want the coach to go for it on 4th and 4 or less almost all the time, and on 4th and 7 or less about a third of the time. Sure, sometimes that can be a disaster, but caution doesn't really tend to be teh +EV play in football.

Hadn't really thought about it. I guess I would prefer a coach who wasn't overly cautious but also wasn't overly stupid. A hard-and-fast rule that you're always going for it on 4th and 4 or less, even if the ball is on your own six yard line, would be dumb.

Also, I think we probably know less than we think we do about momentum and psychological impacts and such, but for now it seems like Campbell's aggression has a positive feedback loop with his players. They view it as underscoring his faith in them (and really, from the players' point of view, "You guys get a chance to execute and if it goes poorly, I'll be the one who takes the heat" is a pretty appealing message).

But I can imagine a scenario where the coach becomes so committed to the bit that the players start turning on him. I think about the two-point conversion vs Dallas last year. IMO Campbell got a little over his skis going for it from the 7 after the penalty. In that one isolated case, I don't think it damaged his standing with the players. But if he were constantly making decisions that seemed rooted in emotion, that could eventually start to piss the players off: "This guy is putting us in impossible situations and costing us games."

 

[BobbyLayne]

Week 16 locker room speech

 

[Ilov80s]

Week 16 locker room speech

Interesting. Seemed a little less intense than usual and the fakeout game ball to Jamo, no I mean Amon Ra, was weird.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Week 16 locker room speech

Interesting. Seemed a little less intense than usual and the fakeout game ball to Jamo, no I mean Amon Ra, was weird.

Yeah, well, whatever Dan was going for there, I trust him. He knows when to pump them up and when to ride them because they're feeling themselves too much.

You're a 13-2 team that just beat a team on a 9 game losing streak. Took care of business, which was necessary. But that's not the goal. Neither is the "revenge" game next Monday Night.

The goal is to make a no doubter. 8-0 on the road, 6-0 in the division, 15-2 and no tiebreakers required.

One game at a time. 24 hour rule - enjoy it, get some rest, then back to work. More stuff to clean up this week.

Challenging week trying to fit in family time & everything, plus travel. But 49ers have a long trip tonight, so it's all good. They definitely have been thinking about this particular week all year.

Then it's SNF, game 272 again, for everything - the division title, the #1 seed, and a week off.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yeah I’m not saying I know better. It just seemed noteworthy.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dan Campbell Tuesday morning radio interview

 

[BobbyLayne]

Week 15 locker room speech

no game balls, it was a TCB kind of game

Week 15 postgame podium

On taking the points rather than go for it every time

Dan Campbell after the game on not resting starters:

"We don’t get to prepare those other guys, because you don’t know what’s going to happen. I just don’t believe it’s fair to put in a guy that’s not prepared to play, especially a young player."

 

[Rubi]

I'm not a Lions fan
But I want Dan Cambell as my neighbor
Just so I talk to him when he's outside
About anything

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm not a Lions fan
But I want Dan Cambell as my neighbor
Just so I talk to him when he's outside
About anything

I’m picturing Wilson from Tool Time

Wait - double expresso in both ventis?

Oh, yeah, man - glunk, glunk, you’re got to go for the rest of the day

Amazing

 

[-OZ-]

We don’t get to prepare those other guys,

I don’t love this part.

 

[Ray_T]

Week 16 locker room speech

Interesting. Seemed a little less intense than usual and the fakeout game ball to Jamo, no I mean Amon Ra, was weird.

Yeah, well, whatever Dan was going for there, I trust him. He knows when to pump them up and when to ride them because they're feeling themselves too much.

You're a 13-2 team that just beat a team on a 9 game losing streak. Took care of business, which was necessary. But that's not the goal. Neither is the "revenge" game next Monday Night.

The goal is to make a no doubter. 8-0 on the road, 6-0 in the division, 15-2 and no tiebreakers required.

One game at a time. 24 hour rule - enjoy it, get some rest, then back to work. More stuff to clean up this week.

Challenging week trying to fit in family time & everything, plus travel. But 49ers have a long trip tonight, so it's all good. They definitely have been thinking about this particular week all year.

Then it's SNF, game 272 again, for everything - the division title, the #1 seed, and a week off.

I think I want a coach who uses his head.

gambling on 4th down has a time and a place. for example, if you get a turnover and momentum shifts your way, you take a Field goal because thats free points they gave you with their mistake.

you dont give them a chance for a big momentum swing on a 4th down gamble. (unless its a highly makeable 4th and 1 of course)

I'm not saying gambling doesnt have a place, but football is also a game of momentum and you gotta read the room. I didnt mind the 4th down gamble just before the end of the half in yesterdays game because not a lot of time was on the clock. and halftime can be a momentum killer when momentum is on your side anyhwow so you need not worry about momentum at that point.

I hope what I'm saying makes some sense

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It always needs to be noted that field goals are not free points. It's an attempt for 3, there isn't a 100% kicker out there (witness last night with the missed extra points and field goals). And if you miss you also lose field position.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Week 16 locker room speech

Interesting. Seemed a little less intense than usual and the fakeout game ball to Jamo, no I mean Amon Ra, was weird.

Yeah, well, whatever Dan was going for there, I trust him. He knows when to pump them up and when to ride them because they're feeling themselves too much.

You're a 13-2 team that just beat a team on a 9 game losing streak. Took care of business, which was necessary. But that's not the goal. Neither is the "revenge" game next Monday Night.

The goal is to make a no doubter. 8-0 on the road, 6-0 in the division, 15-2 and no tiebreakers required.

One game at a time. 24 hour rule - enjoy it, get some rest, then back to work. More stuff to clean up this week.

Challenging week trying to fit in family time & everything, plus travel. But 49ers have a long trip tonight, so it's all good. They definitely have been thinking about this particular week all year.

Then it's SNF, game 272 again, for everything - the division title, the #1 seed, and a week off.

I think I want a coach who uses his head.

gambling on 4th down has a time and a place. for example, if you get a turnover and momentum shifts your way, you take a Field goal because thats free points they gave you with their mistake.

you dont give them a chance for a big momentum swing on a 4th down gamble. (unless its a highly makeable 4th and 1 of course)

I'm not saying gambling doesnt have a place, but football is also a game of momentum and you gotta read the room. I didnt mind the 4th down gamble just before the end of the half in yesterdays game because not a lot of time was on the clock. and halftime can be a momentum killer when momentum is on your side anyhwow so you need not worry about momentum at that point.

I hope what I'm saying makes some sense

It does

Sam Monson has argued for a long time that the aggressive coaching style impacts the other team’s coach. It’s like, OK I’m dealing with a maniac who might try anything. I know there’s a special coming, I just don’t which one (probably not one of the 8 we have tape on.) The pressure applied is relentless - an offense that is very difficult to account for, + going for it on 4th, + bringing the run fits up, + blitzing on 3rd down. It never ends, they’re always trying to steal possessions and gamble on defense.

Other teams try those things, with less frequency. They stop trying those things when it doesn’t work out. Detroit just shrugs & says let’s keep it up.

In effect, he is offering - unforced - several high leverage opportunities, every game. If they succeed, they just keep pouring it on. When they fail, they just dgaf, they’re going to keep trying to make the game about a handful of high leverage situations.

They’re talented enough they don’t have to hit on those high leverage plays 100% of the time. When they do, though, it forces the other team into feeling like they’re always chasing, and they start making mistakes.

 

[travdogg]

It always needs to be noted that field goals are not free points. It's an attempt for 3, there isn't a 100% kicker out there (witness last night with the missed extra points and field goals). And if you miss you also lose field position.

Justin Tucker is the best Kicker in NFL HISTORY. He's the biggest reason the Ravens are 11-5, and not 15-1.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Despite the blocked + missed PAT last night, sure does feel nice to have a good kicker in Detroit again. Completely different mindset than last year when they really didn’t trust their guy over 45 yards.

 

[eighsse2]

Despite the blocked + missed PAT last night, sure does feel nice to have a good kicker in Detroit again. Completely different mindset than last year when they really didn’t trust their guy over 45 yards.

Yeah, Bates is great. I carried two kickers for a while in my dynasty league this year. I never do that, but I picked up Bates to cover McLaughlin's bye, and he kept being great so I held them both. Eventually decided to drop Bates, really hated doing that, but McLaughlin has a longer track record of nailing long ones.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

 

[Ray_T]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

Lions are a good team. I am pretty sure they will get another shot.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It always needs to be noted that field goals are not free points. It's an attempt for 3, there isn't a 100% kicker out there (witness last night with the missed extra points and field goals). And if you miss you also lose field position.

Justin Tucker is the best Kicker in NFL HISTORY. He's the biggest reason the Ravens are 11-5, and not 15-1.

If I’d read this as someone’s prediction in the preseason, I would have called them a crazy person.

It still seems insane to me to read that.

 

[N Zone]

I feel like Dan Campbell watched Young Sheldon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVC_xWK4R20

 

[Da Guru]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

 

[jon_mx]

Week 16 locker room speech

Interesting. Seemed a little less intense than usual and the fakeout game ball to Jamo, no I mean Amon Ra, was weird.

Yeah, well, whatever Dan was going for there, I trust him. He knows when to pump them up and when to ride them because they're feeling themselves too much.

You're a 13-2 team that just beat a team on a 9 game losing streak. Took care of business, which was necessary. But that's not the goal. Neither is the "revenge" game next Monday Night.

The goal is to make a no doubter. 8-0 on the road, 6-0 in the division, 15-2 and no tiebreakers required.

One game at a time. 24 hour rule - enjoy it, get some rest, then back to work. More stuff to clean up this week.

Challenging week trying to fit in family time & everything, plus travel. But 49ers have a long trip tonight, so it's all good. They definitely have been thinking about this particular week all year.

Then it's SNF, game 272 again, for everything - the division title, the #1 seed, and a week off.

I think I want a coach who uses his head.

gambling on 4th down has a time and a place. for example, if you get a turnover and momentum shifts your way, you take a Field goal because thats free points they gave you with their mistake.

you dont give them a chance for a big momentum swing on a 4th down gamble. (unless its a highly makeable 4th and 1 of course)

I'm not saying gambling doesnt have a place, but football is also a game of momentum and you gotta read the room. I didnt mind the 4th down gamble just before the end of the half in yesterdays game because not a lot of time was on the clock. and halftime can be a momentum killer when momentum is on your side anyhwow so you need not worry about momentum at that point.

I hope what I'm saying makes some sense

The idea you don't think he is using his head is where you are 100 percent wrong. When you look at Detroits success rate on being aggressive vs. the expected outcome of kicking it favors what Dan Campbell does. That is not gambling, that is playing smart football. In 5 years people will look back into this era and wonder why coaches kicked so much.

 

[jon_mx]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

The only time Campbell acted in a stubborn manner was against Dallas where he was hellbent on going for two because he told his players he would. Dan Campbell's style is giving his team the best chance to win, and there is not a single coach i would rather have making the calls.

 

[kutta]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

Because something is the “right” play doesn’t mean it’s going to work out 100 percent of the time.
Football analytics are still evolving. What they thought was “right” 30 years ago isn’t close to right today. Look at all the coaches who go for it on fourth down now. That used to never happen.
My point being, what you think is a negative EV decision may turn out to be positive. We Lions fans see the results and honestly I think most of us think he’s actually making the correct decisions. Other coaches will catch up eventually.

So yes. I can live with a SB loss in the scenario you suggest because I trust that he knows what’s best for this team in a given situation.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

Lions are a good team. I am pretty sure they will get another shot.

I don't disagree with the bolded, however most fans don't realize how difficult it is to get back to the pinnacle, ask Packer fans

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

The only time Campbell acted in a stubborn manner was against Dallas where he was hellbent on going for two because he told his players he would. Dan Campbell's style is giving his team the best chance to win, and there is not a single coach i would rather have making the calls.

Exactly what I'm talking about. If he does that again and costs the Lions a SB and they never get back to that position, will you be, "Well that's just the way he is"

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

Because something is the “right” play doesn’t mean it’s going to work out 100 percent of the time.
Football analytics are still evolving. What they thought was “right” 30 years ago isn’t close to right today. Look at all the coaches who go for it on fourth down now. That used to never happen.
My point being, what you think is a negative EV decision may turn out to be positive. We Lions fans see the results and honestly I think most of us think he’s actually making the correct decisions. Other coaches will catch up eventually.

So yes. I can live with a SB loss in the scenario you suggest because I trust that he knows what’s best for this team in a given situation.

I don't actually believe you, because I know how difficult it is to get back to the SB. I guess we'll see......

 

[Da Guru]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

Of course. There were a couple calls I hated this year.

But I asked hypothetically. "What if that call that we think is stupid gets the Lions there?"

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This is hilarious. A life long packer fan "concerned" about poor clueless Lions fans. You just can't make this stuff up.

 

[Mr.Pack]

This is hilarious. A life long packer fan "concerned" about poor clueless Lions fans. You just can't make this stuff up.

No clue what point you're making? I'm not concerned at all about Lions fans, just pointing out the shared belief that he's the best coach ever because he's aggressive. I am pointing out he gets too aggressive and will cost them eventually like the Dallas game because he's too stubborn and not the best coach ever. I'm not saying he doesn't make some great calls because he does, I'm saying there's a difference between ballsy and stupid.

Thanks for playing!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Thanks for playing!

Thank you troll.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

Of course. There were a couple calls I hated this year.

But I asked hypothetically. "What if that call that we think is stupid gets the Lions there?"

1. It probably is stupid if everyone thinks it.
2. It's better to be lucky than good sometimes

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

I wish Dan Campbell would have been our HC during the Arod era instead of McCarthy. Guessing we would have had 2-3 trophies instead of 1.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Thanks for playing!

Thank you troll.

That's the response of a troll who has no answer to a post. Good day!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

I wish Dan Campbell would have been our HC during the Arod era instead of McCarthy. Guessing we would have had 2-3 trophies instead of 1.

He's more concerned about the Lions than his own team, I thought that was obvious.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Getting skunked by a meathead coach must hurt, I feel your pain.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

I wish Dan Campbell would have been our HC during the Arod era instead of McCarthy. Guessing we would have had 2-3 trophies instead of 1.

Possible for sure. Like I said there's a difference between ballsy and stupid, if he was the Packers HC I would hope the stupid was kept to a minimum

 

[Mr.Pack]

Getting skunked by a meathead coach must hurt, I feel your pain.

Nah, even a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Getting skunked by a meathead coach must hurt, I feel your pain.

Nah, even a broken clock is right twice a day

Still have time to midnight for your 2.

 

[Da Guru]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

Of course. There were a couple calls I hated this year.

But I asked hypothetically. "What if that call that we think is stupid gets the Lions there?"

1. It probably is stupid if everyone thinks it.
2. It's better to be lucky than good sometimes

The more they practice it, the luckier they get. Lions led the NFL in converting 4th down % this season.

 

[jon_mx]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

The only time Campbell acted in a stubborn manner was against Dallas where he was hellbent on going for two because he told his players he would. Dan Campbell's style is giving his team the best chance to win, and there is not a single coach i would rather have making the calls.

Exactly what I'm talking about. If he does that again and costs the Lions a SB and they never get back to that position, will you be, "Well that's just the way he is"

Dan knows the team better than anyone. I trust him completely with the decision making. You act like Dan is some kind of Idiot. Dan puts more thought into his decision-making than any other coach. I will back Dan 1000 percent even if he choice 'costs them the game' (which is really just a hypothetical conclusion because no one will ever know.

Dan Campbell's 4th down calls won the SF game this year. The difference is he had players like LaPora making a tough catches instead of Reynolds dropping easy ones.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

Of course. There were a couple calls I hated this year.

But I asked hypothetically. "What if that call that we think is stupid gets the Lions there?"

1. It probably is stupid if everyone thinks it.
2. It's better to be lucky than good sometimes

The more they practice it, the luckier they get. Lions led the NFL in converting 4th down % this season.

I'm guessing they went for it more than any team as well

 

[Alex P Keaton]

God I love messing with trolls. Too bad they don't make them like they used to around here.

It’s a bit odd to write off Mr Pack’s very fair and logical questions as trolling. Whether or not I agree with him is irrelevant. His view isn’t crazy.

 

[Da Guru]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

Of course. There were a couple calls I hated this year.

But I asked hypothetically. "What if that call that we think is stupid gets the Lions there?"

1. It probably is stupid if everyone thinks it.
2. It's better to be lucky than good sometimes

The more they practice it, the luckier they get. Lions led the NFL in converting 4th down % this season.

I'm guessing they went for it more than any team as well

They did, but that has nothing to do with conversion %.

Article on how the NFL is going for it more than ever now, following the Lions lead.

 

[JohnnyU]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

It can go both ways. What if they win because of that "one play"? I agree there are times I think differently. But as Nick Bosa said the team plays so hard because of DC, Mark Schlereth said "Players believe in DC because he is authentic, he never wavers from who he is and the players love him"

So will he make a call the fans don`t like? Yes..all HCs do. But the Lions would not be near where they have been last few seasons without him.

My hypothetical question, you're sidestepping it. Would you be fine with his making a stubborn call that loses you a SB or a chance to get there if the Lions never got back or would you be pissed?

Of course. There were a couple calls I hated this year.

But I asked hypothetically. "What if that call that we think is stupid gets the Lions there?"

1. It probably is stupid if everyone thinks it.
2. It's better to be lucky than good sometimes

The more they practice it, the luckier they get. Lions led the NFL in converting 4th down % this season.

I'm guessing they went for it more than any team as well

They did, but that has nothing to do with conversion %.

Article on how the NFL is going for it more than ever now, following the Lions lead.

Vince Lombardi is rolling over in his grave

 

[TartanLion]

This is hilarious. A life long packer fan "concerned" about poor clueless Lions fans. You just can't make this stuff up.

No clue what point you're making? I'm not concerned at all about Lions fans, just pointing out the shared belief that he's the best coach ever because he's aggressive. I am pointing out he gets too aggressive and will cost them eventually like the Dallas game because he's too stubborn and not the best coach ever. I'm not saying he doesn't make some great calls because he does, I'm saying there's a difference between ballsy and stupid.

Thanks for playing!

I’ll answer as simply as I can. Personally, I’ve bought in to the coaching style. It’s already yielded us a ton of positive plays and decisive moments which help to win games. Sometimes as directly as a TD on 4th down, or even icing a game. If we are in the SB I’ll totally believe that we are there because of the success of this style. You can’t start second guessing and changing up how you play just because of the size of the moment, even just for one reason that it would show self doubt in your entire ethos.

If that happened I’d be fine with it. Not happy of course because we have lost, but understand it’s the ethos that helped get us there and made the players play as well as they do. As it stands there’s unlikely to be any part of me that looks at Campbell in a bad light, all Lions fans owe the guy everything. Brad Holmes is good but Campbell has turned this entire club around with the way he goes about business and his mentality is the engine that keeps the whole thing ticking over

 

[fatness]

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

Your presumption is that the Lions will miss or lose the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
It's more likely they'll make or win the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Gonna cost his team a SB

If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.

So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.

I get your point (and don't think you're trolling). Here's what I would say:

If he makes a call like the one in the Dallas game* that seems overly stubborn, and it backfires, and we look back on it afterward as the Lions last, best chance to make a Super Bowl, then yeah, I'll be incredibly bummed. I won't turn on him because of it -- as I've freely admitted here many times, I'm totally in the tank for him -- but I'll probably view it like a Greek tragedy, where the hero is brought down by his greatest flaw.

I really do wonder if in Dallas he was thinking beyond that one game, and was willing to take a calculated risk in order to send his team a message before their playoff run. I would hope he wouldn't make that decision again in the Super Bowl. But beyond that one decision, I'm having a hard time thinking of any calls of his that seemed overly aggressive. Maybe some of the fake punts deep in Lions territory? Then again, his record on fake punts is absolutely amazing, so it's hard to doubt him there.

Did I mention I'm totally in the tank for him?

* To be clear, I'm referring specifically to the decision to go for it even after the penalty put the ball on the 7. The original decision to go for it was totally defensible, especially given the play he had planned.

 

[rockaction]

Campbell is a good coach. He won’t cost his team. BL just made an excellent point about leveraging situations. That’s what he does. The only two times I’ve seen him gank on it are the Dallas game that ignatius mentions and the recent going for it before the field goal on 4th down (I forget the game, but it was the one where it totally showed he was bailing on any confidence in his defense). Other than that, I thought the 49ers game was just fine and I would go for it again if I were him and had the chance.

I’m a neutral observer here, so I hope that carries a bit of weight. Nor am I always totally in the tank for expected win prob rates vs. game theory. You get the picture. But Campbell does his stuff with a degree of judiciousness and thought relatively unseen around other parts of the coaching world.