HC Mike Tomlin, PIT (2 Viewers)

[Steelers4Life]

This thread again?

It's still true. Still zero playoff wins since 2016 and looking again like a solid 8 or 9 win team.

He's a defensive minded head coach in a league where that way of thinking isn't going to be successful anymore. At least not in terms of contention. He's stubborn, and he needs to bring in a powerful OC who can truly take over and own the offense. But he won't, we all know that.

Maybe the Steelers will win 9 games and his glorious streak can continue. Lord knows I'll be rooting for them. But it's going to be a while before the Steelers become a real contender with their antiquated way of thinking, and that starts at the top.

 

[wgoldsph]

He needs to get rid of Canada. If that has to come from the top to happen then let it work that way. But Canada simply isn't an NFL caliber coach. Maybe not college either.

 

[kupcho1]

 

[Insein]

It was just bad luck that the year they needed a QB, Pickett was all that was there. Unless they had a crystal ball on Purdy.

 

[IHEARTFF]

blame canada

 

[Godsbrother]

This thread again?

It's still true. Still zero playoff wins since 2016 and looking again like a solid 8 or 9 win team.

He's a defensive minded head coach in a league where that way of thinking isn't going to be successful anymore. At least not in terms of contention. He's stubborn, and he needs to bring in a powerful OC who can truly take over and own the offense. But he won't, we all know that.

Maybe the Steelers will win 9 games and his glorious streak can continue. Lord knows I'll be rooting for them. But it's going to be a while before the Steelers become a real contender with their antiquated way of thinking, and that starts at the top.

I said this thread again because how you or I feel about Tomlin means squat. The Rooney’s are not firing Mike Tomlin.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It was just bad luck that the year they needed a QB, Pickett was all that was there. Unless they had a crystal ball on Purdy.

They didn't need to draft one in the first the year Ben retired. In fact, my understanding that until Haskins died, they had no intent on doing so. Once that happened, apparently Rooney overruled the draft room and instructed them to draft Pickett if he was there.

 

[Insein]

It was just bad luck that the year they needed a QB, Pickett was all that was there. Unless they had a crystal ball on Purdy.

They didn't need to draft one in the first the year Ben retired. In fact, my understanding that until Haskins died, they had no intent on doing so. Once that happened, apparently Rooney overruled the draft room and instructed them to draft Pickett if he was there.

Man. That sucks.

 

[pinkstapler]

Was watching lumbering Najee and average at best Pickett last night and got to thinking of Colbert as that was his last two first round picks.

I hate to bash Colbert, I'll always be grateful for the SB wins he helped me experience. I also understand there is more to the draft then round one but just the same I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team that did so poorly with their first round draft picks over his last 10 years as Colbert/Steelers.

By my count in Colbert's last 10 years he had 2 hits in round one, and one of them was Shazier. If you want to say the jury is still out on Pickett that's fine. I contend the best thing about Pickett is he might give you mediocre starting QB play on a fairly cheap contract.

I bring this up in the Tomlin thread to say the poor use of those first round picks takes it's toll and when you remove Shazier as a good draft pick you are just left with one hit in the last 10 years. By and large it's been a tremendous waste of young cheap labor and again at some point that makes the job of the head coach more difficult.

Now maybe Tomlin was the driver behind a lot of those picks? I don't know. I know I loved what I saw from Khan this off-season, it felt very different, and I think the team is on the path to restoring the quality and depth of the roster which will make Tomlin's job easier.

This just feels like an oversimplified poor take. And I'd pretty much guarantee with about 20 minutes of research we could find a dozen teams who've drafted miss after miss in the first round over the past ten years.

Yeah you called it out in your post, but its just dumb to ignore the rest of the draft successes that happened outside the first round. Especially with a team and GM who are universally praised as being one of the best drafters over time.

Overlooking nearly all of the picks were in the 2nd half of the first round, most near the bottom of the first.

And cutting it off at 10 years, when you look at the three years prior to that arbitrary cut off and see Decastro, Heyward, and Pouncy. At 24, 31, and 18. I mean they only accounted for 21 pro bowls between them though so... I'd say most organizations would trade nearly a decade of 1sts to land those 3 in 3 consecutive years with late firsts.

Shazier was undoubtedly a huge hit, so not sure why you are "removing him". That's the same thing as people who say "well when you take away that one rush of 60 yards the RB actually didn't have a good week". And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle. It's such a bad argument.

And finally, while you refrained from using his name, one can only assume you're considering the other hit TJ Watt. Drafted at pick 30. Not only a perennial probowl player, but winner of DPoY and in the running every season. How many first round picks is he worth? Should we look at it like that and say that counts as like 3 years of hits because his trade value would net multiple future firsts?

Seen you make some great arguments on these boards, but man... this one I don't understand in the slightest.

 

[menobrown]

Was watching lumbering Najee and average at best Pickett last night and got to thinking of Colbert as that was his last two first round picks.

I hate to bash Colbert, I'll always be grateful for the SB wins he helped me experience. I also understand there is more to the draft then round one but just the same I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team that did so poorly with their first round draft picks over his last 10 years as Colbert/Steelers.

By my count in Colbert's last 10 years he had 2 hits in round one, and one of them was Shazier. If you want to say the jury is still out on Pickett that's fine. I contend the best thing about Pickett is he might give you mediocre starting QB play on a fairly cheap contract.

I bring this up in the Tomlin thread to say the poor use of those first round picks takes it's toll and when you remove Shazier as a good draft pick you are just left with one hit in the last 10 years. By and large it's been a tremendous waste of young cheap labor and again at some point that makes the job of the head coach more difficult.

Now maybe Tomlin was the driver behind a lot of those picks? I don't know. I know I loved what I saw from Khan this off-season, it felt very different, and I think the team is on the path to restoring the quality and depth of the roster which will make Tomlin's job easier.

This just feels like an oversimplified poor take. And I'd pretty much guarantee with about 20 minutes of research we could find a dozen teams who've drafted miss after miss in the first round over the past ten years.

Yeah you called it out in your post, but its just dumb to ignore the rest of the draft successes that happened outside the first round. Especially with a team and GM who are universally praised as being one of the best drafters over time.

Overlooking nearly all of the picks were in the 2nd half of the first round, most near the bottom of the first.

And cutting it off at 10 years, when you look at the three years prior to that arbitrary cut off and see Decastro, Heyward, and Pouncy. At 24, 31, and 18. I mean they only accounted for 21 pro bowls between them though so... I'd say most organizations would trade nearly a decade of 1sts to land those 3 in 3 consecutive years with late firsts.

Shazier was undoubtedly a huge hit, so not sure why you are "removing him". That's the same thing as people who say "well when you take away that one rush of 60 yards the RB actually didn't have a good week". And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle. It's such a bad argument.

And finally, while you refrained from using his name, one can only assume you're considering the other hit TJ Watt. Drafted at pick 30. Not only a perennial probowl player, but winner of DPoY and in the running every season. How many first round picks is he worth? Should we look at it like that and say that counts as like 3 years of hits because his trade value would net multiple future firsts?

Seen you make some great arguments on these boards, but man... this one I don't understand in the slightest.

Wow. Ok.

I think the misses in the draft drained the talent and depth and made the job of the head coach difficult. Sorry that’s to basic and simple for you and don’t have the energy to dissect this to death.

 

[Da Guru]

Some HCs are put in better situations than others for sure.

Billy B. had HOF QB Tom Brady for basically Toms whole career. The WRs and RBs came and went but the Pats still won.

Tomlin took over a team with a young future HOF QB in Big Ben and had him his whole playing career. The WRs and RBs came and went and the Steelers still won.

The question always asked it is the HC or the QB? Both are important but as we see all of sudden these HOF HCs do not look the same without their HOF QBs.

Both are great coaches but It is a little tougher to win with Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett instead of Tom Brady and Big Ben.

 

[pinkstapler]

Was watching lumbering Najee and average at best Pickett last night and got to thinking of Colbert as that was his last two first round picks.

I hate to bash Colbert, I'll always be grateful for the SB wins he helped me experience. I also understand there is more to the draft then round one but just the same I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team that did so poorly with their first round draft picks over his last 10 years as Colbert/Steelers.

By my count in Colbert's last 10 years he had 2 hits in round one, and one of them was Shazier. If you want to say the jury is still out on Pickett that's fine. I contend the best thing about Pickett is he might give you mediocre starting QB play on a fairly cheap contract.

I bring this up in the Tomlin thread to say the poor use of those first round picks takes it's toll and when you remove Shazier as a good draft pick you are just left with one hit in the last 10 years. By and large it's been a tremendous waste of young cheap labor and again at some point that makes the job of the head coach more difficult.

Now maybe Tomlin was the driver behind a lot of those picks? I don't know. I know I loved what I saw from Khan this off-season, it felt very different, and I think the team is on the path to restoring the quality and depth of the roster which will make Tomlin's job easier.

This just feels like an oversimplified poor take. And I'd pretty much guarantee with about 20 minutes of research we could find a dozen teams who've drafted miss after miss in the first round over the past ten years.

Yeah you called it out in your post, but its just dumb to ignore the rest of the draft successes that happened outside the first round. Especially with a team and GM who are universally praised as being one of the best drafters over time.

Overlooking nearly all of the picks were in the 2nd half of the first round, most near the bottom of the first.

And cutting it off at 10 years, when you look at the three years prior to that arbitrary cut off and see Decastro, Heyward, and Pouncy. At 24, 31, and 18. I mean they only accounted for 21 pro bowls between them though so... I'd say most organizations would trade nearly a decade of 1sts to land those 3 in 3 consecutive years with late firsts.

Shazier was undoubtedly a huge hit, so not sure why you are "removing him". That's the same thing as people who say "well when you take away that one rush of 60 yards the RB actually didn't have a good week". And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle. It's such a bad argument.

And finally, while you refrained from using his name, one can only assume you're considering the other hit TJ Watt. Drafted at pick 30. Not only a perennial probowl player, but winner of DPoY and in the running every season. How many first round picks is he worth? Should we look at it like that and say that counts as like 3 years of hits because his trade value would net multiple future firsts?

Seen you make some great arguments on these boards, but man... this one I don't understand in the slightest.

Wow. Ok.

I think the misses in the draft drained the talent and depth and made the job of the head coach difficult. Sorry that’s to basic and simple for you and don’t have the energy to dissect this to death.

That's a statement that actually makes some sense, but is a world different then saying "I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team that did so poorly with their first round draft picks over his last 10 years as Colbert/Steelers." It's an ridiculous statement. There were a few other questionable ones as well, and I made a post pointing out the holes in them. Sorry you would rather say you "don't have the energy to dissect it" rather than just say maybe you were being too hyperbolic. It's ok to be wrong bud.

 

[Faust]

Steelers HC Mike Tomlin on adjustments after loss to Texans: 'Hell yeah, we've got to make some changes'

 

[irish eyes]

Steelers HC Mike Tomlin on adjustments after loss to Texans: 'Hell yeah, we've got to make some changes'

Blah blah blah, it's gotten so old. What is he going to change, he never changes. But hey, Mikey T is a top 5 coach and would get a job tomorrow if he got fired. Steeler fans can only hope

 

[fred_1_15301]

Time to put the money where your mouth is. You’re the head coach. If you want Canada gone, he will be gone. Let’s see what happens this week.

 

[Steeler]

I said this thread again because how you or I feel about Tomlin means squat. The Rooney’s are not firing Mike Tomlin.

I agree with this, but I've soured on Tomlin. He's not a good game day coach. He settling for FGs instead of going for it on 4th down when appropriate, terrible on challenges, etc. But hey, he hasn't ever had a losing season

 

[Dizzy]

In the NFL you either have a QB, or you don't. Steelers don't have a QB.

 

[H8fulHuck]

I’ve been a Tomlin supporter until he basically gave his fans the finger by “promoting” Canada as his response to fans chanting in unison for change. Tomlin is ultimately responsible for the offense and by actions promotes being one of the worst in the league.

The offense must change. Tomlin has blinders on and is welcome to move on and take Matt Canada with him.

 

[FFWhiskey]

The QB is a dud.

 

[Steeler]

In the NFL you either have a QB, or you don't. Steelers don't have a QB.

The Jets have Z. Wilson and were able to play KC tough tonight... the Steelers got curb-stomped by a Texans team who has a totally beaten up Oline. The problems are deeper than Pickett not being a franchise QB.

 

[McBokonon]

Pickett and Canada are both terrible. Pickett has an Intel processor for a brain in an Nvidia world. I watched him enough at Pitt to see he was beating bad defenses but he never made decisions quickly. He isn’t the guy. It’s made worse that they reached for him in a terrible QB draft year when they should have went after OL or really anything else. Awful pick by any measure.

And Canada correctly sees that Pickett is limited, so tries to make things easy but overcompensates. But even if he had a good QB, he’d still be an unimaginative failure.

Pickett is bad and makes an already bad Canada worse. Canada is bad and makes an already bad Pickett worse.

 

[crushedspirit]

All he'll do is get another OC to run HIS vision of an offense

Matt Canada is just an extention of the coach

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Pickett and Canada are both terrible. Pickett has an Intel processor for a brain in an Nvidia world. I watched him enough at Pitt to see he was beating bad defenses but he never made decisions quickly. He isn’t the guy. It’s made worse that they reached for him in a terrible QB draft year when they should have went after OL or really anything else. Awful pick by any measure.

And Canada correctly sees that Pickett is limited, so tries to make things easy but overcompensates. But even if he had a good QB, he’d still be an unimaginative failure.

Pickett is bad and makes an already bad Canada worse. Canada is bad and makes an already bad Pickett worse.

Gotta get rid of Canada so Pickett can be evaluated and jettisoned if he is still terrible.

 

[fred_1_15301]

In the NFL you either have a QB, or you don't. Steelers don't have a QB.

The Jets have Z. Wilson and were able to play KC tough tonight... the Steelers got curb-stomped by a Texans team who has a totally beaten up Oline. The problems are deeper than Pickett not being a franchise QB.

Yeah they have major holes all over the field and coaching isn’t helping matters. But nothing will change because Tomlin (and Canada) isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Faust]

Brooke Pryor
Asked Mike Tomlin if there would be a change to division of labor among coaching responsibilities -- especially as it pertains to playcalling.

Tomlin: "Not at this juncture."

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1709242164545302880?s=21

 

[karl.Racki]

Brooke Pryor
Asked Mike Tomlin if there would be a change to division of labor among coaching responsibilities -- especially as it pertains to playcalling.

Tomlin: "Not at this juncture."

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1709242164545302880?s=21

Probably the least shocking thing I have read all day..

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Look at the bright side...at least you didn't pay $33 million for JuJu Smith-Schuster to hobble around Gillette stadium on bad knees....or ask Mike Patricia to learn how to be an offensive coordinator "on the job"...or ask Joe Judge to be a quarterback whisperer. I'm starting to think head coaches, regardless of quality, need an expiration date simply for "keeping things fresh". Drafting and free agency management are not unrelated to gameday philosophy...and we know the game changes over time...so it becomes a question of is what vision this long-tenured coach has for the team and whether or not that vision is synchronized with today's nfl. I also think the vision can be correct, but the roster management becomes dated. In either case, the symptoms start to smell very bad very quickly.

 

[BoltNlava]

Maybe Tomlin needs a new challenge. He'll be a much sought after head coach if fired, but a change of scenery might just be what the DR. ordered. A fresh set of problems and a new set of challenges instead of the same old ones. Everyone could use a fresh start. Right now the Steelers are looking old and worn in almost all they do. Been there done that.

On the flip side: ask Sean Payton how that's working for him so far. lol

The grass is not always greener.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Tomlin for McDaniels, owners make it happen please....

 

[Tanner9919]

hard to fire a black HC when you're the team that started the Rooney rule in the first place. I think pitt is very aware of this and they're going to give tomlin 36.5 years to sort his stuff out before they ask him to retire from football so they don't have to fire him. I really think the front office and the owners have a hard time firing him because of the rooney rule they fear a backlash despite having him as a HC since color television was invented.oh the steven a. smith schtick will be turned up to ludicrous levels.
but his coaching hasn't won anything in 7 years. the record stands for itself. this has been an irrelevant team for a long time now.

 

[Dizzy]

hard to fire a black HC when you're the team that started the Rooney rule in the first place. I think pitt is very aware of this and they're going to give tomlin 36.5 years to sort his stuff out before they ask him to retire from football so they don't have to fire him. I really think the front office and the owners have a hard time firing him because of the rooney rule they fear a backlash despite having him as a HC since color television was invented.oh the steven a. smith schtick will be turned up to ludicrous levels.
but his coaching hasn't won anything in 7 years. the record stands for itself. this has been an irrelevant team for a long time now.

Repeating... you either have a QB, or you don't...

Tomlin was fine when Big Ben was QB, and now the game has passed him by because Ben retired?

Belichick was genius GOAT head coach with Brady, and a total nothing-burger since he left.

You need a QB to win and they don't grow on trees. I doubt firing Tomlin would bring the kind of heat you are dreaming up here and besides... he would have another job before the end of that day.

 

[dschuler]

hard to fire a black HC when you're the team that started the Rooney rule in the first place. I think pitt is very aware of this and they're going to give tomlin 36.5 years to sort his stuff out before they ask him to retire from football so they don't have to fire him. I really think the front office and the owners have a hard time firing him because of the rooney rule they fear a backlash despite having him as a HC since color television was invented.oh the steven a. smith schtick will be turned up to ludicrous levels.
but his coaching hasn't won anything in 7 years. the record stands for itself. this has been an irrelevant team for a long time now.

Repeating... you either have a QB, or you don't...

Tomlin was fine when Big Ben was QB, and now the game has passed him by because Ben retired?

Belichick was genius GOAT head coach with Brady, and a total nothing-burger since he left.

You need a QB to win and they don't grow on trees. I doubt firing Tomlin would bring the kind of heat you are dreaming up here and besides... he would have another job before the end of that day.

Maybe Tomlin should swallow his pride and just tank then if that’s what it takes. If Pittsburgh is so patient and a great QB is required, go 0-16 and get a stud. Problem solved.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

 

[Steeler]

Brooke Pryor
Asked Mike Tomlin if there would be a change to division of labor among coaching responsibilities -- especially as it pertains to playcalling.

Tomlin: "Not at this juncture."

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1709242164545302880?s=21

Love the way she asked the question

 

[irish eyes]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

This statement from many many people has gotten so stale. Hast won a damn playoff game in forever and actually has been blown out often. Can't evaluate player talent, I'm curious how much say he had in the Devin Bush, Najee, Pickett, and on and on. We have a 1st round pick OLineman only playing because of injury, Porter hardly sees the field. Can't get much worse. .500 seasons are meaningless

 

[irish eyes]

Brooke Pryor
Asked Mike Tomlin if there would be a change to division of labor among coaching responsibilities -- especially as it pertains to playcalling.

Tomlin: "Not at this juncture."

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1709242164545302880?s=21

Probably the least shocking thing I have read all day..

No one is surprised. His chest beating press conference saying hell yes there will be changes. Nothing will change, it's groundhog day in the burgh.

 

[fred_1_15301]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

He’s really not though.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

hard to fire a black HC when you're the team that started the Rooney rule in the first place. I think pitt is very aware of this and they're going to give tomlin 36.5 years to sort his stuff out before they ask him to retire from football so they don't have to fire him. I really think the front office and the owners have a hard time firing him because of the rooney rule they fear a backlash despite having him as a HC since color television was invented.oh the steven a. smith schtick will be turned up to ludicrous levels.
but his coaching hasn't won anything in 7 years. the record stands for itself. this has been an irrelevant team for a long time now.

It's not like he's a 1st year Head Coach, hasn't he been there coach for like 2 decades now?
I don't think anyone is going to get angry at ownership if they decided to make a change

The Rooneys would interview a number of black candidates I'm sure, I don't think anyone would be preaching to them about this.
Just my opinion but I cannot believe that anyone would call them racist

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

He is one of the best coaches in the history of the league, but he should be fired. He is out of touch with modern football. Canada's offense is objectively awful. If Tomlin can't make a change, he can't be successful.

 

[Statorama]

Tomlin is going to make a terrific college coach someday. He's got a great skill set for that level.

 

[kupcho1]

He is one of the best coaches in the history of the league

I like Tomlin but that's just crazy talk.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

This statement from many many people has gotten so stale. Hast won a damn playoff game in forever and actually has been blown out often. Can't evaluate player talent, I'm curious how much say he had in the Devin Bush, Najee, Pickett, and on and on. We have a 1st round pick OLineman only playing because of injury, Porter hardly sees the field. Can't get much worse. .500 seasons are meaningless

Sounds like you’re only assigning blame for the bad while denying credit for the good.

As a not-Pittsburgh fan, I believe my evaluation is more fair.

Signed,

Niners fan who had to endure Dennis Ericsson, Mike Singletary, Jim Tomsula 2x, Mike Nolan & Chip Kelly.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

He’s really not though.

How many NFL Head Coaches have been hired and fired during his time as the Steelers' Head Coach?
Miami has seen at least 6 or 7 if not more during his time in Pittsburgh, that's just 1 team

 

[fred_1_15301]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

He’s really not though.

How many NFL Head Coaches have been hired and fired during his time as the Steelers' Head Coach?
Miami has seen at least 6 or 7 if not more during his time in Pittsburgh, that's just 1 team

The Steelers management has always put a huge emphasis on stability and for the most part it has worked very well. However, why is it that people consider Tomlin some type of great coach? He has a very good win/loss record but is that really due to his coaching or just having a hall of fame QB. I actually believe last year was his best coaching year ever but the team fell short as usual. Can you give me one example of a playoff game where he was the superior coach? And now he refuses to get rid of the worst offensive coordinator (maybe ever)? This is year 3 for Canada! I just don’t get the defense of Tomlin anymore. He was a good coach at one point but the league has changed and he has zero ability or inclination to adapt. But yeah I know I’m in the minority here.

 

[karl.Racki]

Tomlin is going to make a terrific college coach someday. He's got a great skill set for that level.

I have said it before and will say it again.. He should have jumped on the USC job a few years ago..

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He’s one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Record notwithstanding.

Y’all could do a lot worse than Tomlin, so I’d be careful what you wish for.

He’s really not though.

How many NFL Head Coaches have been hired and fired during his time as the Steelers' Head Coach?
Miami has seen at least 6 or 7 if not more during his time in Pittsburgh, that's just 1 team

The Steelers management has always put a huge emphasis on stability and for the most part it has worked very well. However, why is it that people consider Tomlin some type of great coach? He has a very good win/loss record but is that really due to his coaching or just having a hall of fame QB. I actually believe last year was his best coaching year ever but the team fell short as usual. Can you give me one example of a playoff game where he was the superior coach? And now he refuses to get rid of the worst offensive coordinator (maybe ever)? This is year 3 for Canada! I just don’t get the defense of Tomlin anymore. He was a good coach at one point but the league has changed and he has zero ability or inclination to adapt. But yeah I know I’m in the minority here.

Kenny Pickett isn’t the answer.

IMO coaches look good when they have a Ben Roethlisburger, then look bad when they have a Kenny Pickett.

They were a 12-4 team as recently as 2020.

I’m not buying that he forgot how to coach or hasn’t adapted to the current NFL. He just doesn’t have the QB.

It’s not a hill I need to die on though. If y’all want him fired, I won’t try to convince you otherwise. I just know Tomlin is a massive upgrade over a whole lot of guys.

 

[infantsam]

It was commented by a now TV guy/ex-player that Tomlin is ‘best’ at having the locker room or however you name that and furthermore that was the hardest thing to do. Hence the job is his until.

I always kinda thought the opposite, the coach needs to be some kind of football genius etc.

That said and even if true, somebody gotta be a genius and the Steelers coaching staff definitely is not.

 

[Judge Smails]

They lack talent and imagination. Canada will ultimately take him down. Tomlin’s teams don’t quit on him. That’s the plus. But they have zero identity right now. The definition of middle of the pack average

 

[rockaction]

The Jets have Z. Wilson and were able to play KC tough tonight... the Steelers got curb-stomped by a Texans team who has a totally beaten up Oline. The problems are deeper than Pickett not being a franchise QB.

Z. Wilson went 28-39 for 245 and 2 TDs and no interceptions (but a costly fumble). A lot of teams will win games that way. The Jets played a West Coast, ball-control offense that succeeded for once. Like Matt Canada wants to do, ironically.

The Jets' success juxtaposed against the Steelers' failure on Sunday really isn't a reflection that the Steelers got curb-stomped by Houston; it's more that the Jets actually had a functional quarterback the other night. That's not to say Z. Wilson is good, but he played well, and there's no doubt about that. He played decidedly above-average for a QB in this league.

So like many people have been saying in this thread, you can look awfully good with a good quarterback. You might even not lose the locker room, which Saleh and the Jets were in utter danger of doing. The players were ready to run riot over the coaching staff, but good Zach showed up instead of completely inept Zach. So everything gets glossed over.

Pickett probably is not a good quarterback, so everything is exacerbated. Coaching looks awful. Players and the team look out of sync. The quarterback impacts everything to our eyes, and Pickett isn't a guy upon whom you can hang your hat. That said, Canada has overseen some awful offenses, including those with what we thought was a washed Ben. Might be time for Canada to meet greener pastures. Pickett isn't that bad, is he?

 

[crushedspirit]

Some coaches have the ability to groom and develop QBs while building a scheme around their strengths, (Reid and Shanny for example), and some coaches can also build a franchise from the bottom up as well.

Tomlin is not a coach to develop a young QB, nor can he build from the ground up. He needs talent to motivate and beat the other team based on individual matchups and physicality, no matter what plays are called. Once he doesn't have the stacked talent, he has no answers except for some funny quotes. Ben carried him into the playoffs for years with help from the D, but the beatings eventually came once they got there. That Ben luxury is gone now. Basically, he is a coach that leans heavily on the talent to carry the day, because he is simply not an X's and O's type.

I have zero doubts someone would scoop him up quick, but honestly that's a good thing for everyone. Can't be fearful of what might be since you have to trust the process and the Steelers always seem to find someone, and sometimes change is good for all involved.