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help me rank these receivers (1 Viewer)

bostonfred

Footballguy
Pierre garcon

DeSean Jackson

Percy harvin

Cordarelle Patterson

Michael Floyd

Larry Fitzgerald

Andre Johnson

Victor Cruz

Michael Crabtree

Keenan Allen

roddy white

Vincent Jackson

T.y.Hilton

I feel like these guys are all virtually identical in value but I see huge differences in their adp. Are you more confident in a huge uptick in Allen or even bigger bump for Patterson, or that Andre looks good with Fitzpatrick? Do you think Cruz is the fifteen hundred yard receiver we saw a couple years ago? was that a total fluke or can mcadoo work his magic? Last two times we saw harvin he was making a case for superbowl mvp and league mvp. But that was a team change and a lot of missed games ago.

All of these guys have huge upside and significant warts. How do you pick your favorites from this list?

 
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I don't have any of my stuff here to look at, but off the top of my head I'll say

patterson

cruz

hilton/white

allen

probably pass on the rest

 
The first thing I do is I pluck Crabtree out and put him alone at the top. If he stays healthy, I see no reason to expect his numbers to trail behind that Marshall/Julio/Jordy tier of production, and as such, he's one of the guy's I'm targeting aggressively given his price. Then I pluck out AJ and stick him alone in the tier right below that. He's going to have to prove to me for at least one year that he ISN'T a stud no matter what before I believe anything to the contrary.

After that, I pluck out TY Hilton and stick him alone at the bottom. Reports on Wayne are just WAY too glowing, and from everything I've seen, when Wayne is operating on all cylinders, Luck has a major hardon for him, and TY is going to be way too boom/bust for my liking if someone else is taking the lion's share of the targets.

After that, I throw the rest in a pile in the middle and I have as little idea what I want to do with them as you seem to. :shrug:

Since that's the case, I probably just rank them by personal preference. For me, that sticks Cruz, White, and Patterson at the top, and Floyd, VJax, and the Washington guys at the bottom. The remainders, together with maybe Maclin and Colston, I put in between.

So for me:

Crabtree

AJ

Cruz/White/Patterson

Fitz/Harvin/Allen/Maclin/Colston/Torrey

Floyd/VJax/Pierre/DJax

TY

But I don't even pretend I feel strongly enough about these rankings to believe they're anything but pure subjectivity.

(ETA: I also have Torrey Smith in this bunch, as italicized above. Forgot about him.)

 
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Barring injury...

T Y Hilton

Percy Harvin

Pierre garcon

Vincent Jackson

Michael Floyd

Victor Cruz

Roddy White

Larry Fitzgerald

Andre Johnson

DeSean Jackson

Cordarelle Patterson

Michael Crabtree

Keenan Allen

 
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I can see putting colston and torrey in that mix. I don't, but that's kind of the point, there's just a big muddled tier of good non elite wrs there.

I think I'm going to put Garcon and djax at the bottom. Garcon was a beat last year but he was a target hog. This year he might not even be the best wr on his own team. DeSean might be the better player, out he might have first year wr transition issues. I like rgiii, but I don't know if I want to fight over a piece of the Washington passing game.

Allen and Patterson right there with them. I like Allen, but last year seemed like a perfect storm for him and I'm not sure I see him making another huge leap this year. Patterson is a legit wr and I didn't see that coming, but I don't feel safer projecting him to leapfrog all of these proven producers.

Floyd is getting glowing reports, so I guess I should have him higher, but I feel like there's some resistance for him on the way from wr 2 to wr1. I have a hard time putting him to much higher. And Fitzgerald has the same issue,I want to believe that he can be the old Larry but then I also have to believe that Palmer can be the old Palmer, and that's kind of tricky. I've bumped Palmer up more in my quarterback rankings than I have the receivers.

So now we get into cruz, roddy, Hilton, Crabtree, vjax, harvin and Andre. And I can't believe it, but I guess I have Andre, Cruz, vjax and roddy at the top of this whole tier because of the track record, while harvin and Hilton are just a bit behind. I like harvin, but there's so much risk. Hilton was a beast in the playoffs and I believe in him, but I agree that while Reggie Wayne is still there it's hard for him to get on the field enough top be a true wr1.

I look at the rankings and they seem upside down to me, but maybe I'm being to risk averse by ignoring the shiny new pennies. I don't know.

Ask me again next week and my rankings of these guys may have changed. It's a really big and tightly packed tier for me.

 
Here are my initial thoughts, but not necessarily complete:

These are guys who I think have genuine top 10 potential based on ability and lack of competition:

Andre Johnson

Victor Cruz

Michael Crabtree

Vincent Jackson

These are guys who I think could be top 10, but will be limited by other targets. If some of the secondary guys get hurt, then they could definitely do it.

Garcon

Fitzgerald

Roddy White

These are guys who probably have the potential, but I just don't know that they can get there based on their style of play and usage patterns, e.g. not traditional number 1 bodies:

DJax

Harvin

Patterson

These are the ones that I'm a little unsure about. I think both could do it based on lack of competition, but I'm just really not sure right now (helpful!):

Allen

Hilton

 
I guess it says something that the two comprehensive responses so far are almost upside-down from one another. :shrug:

Well, there were two. :hot:

 
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I guess it says something that the two comprehensive responses so far are almost upside-down from one another. :shrug:
I read from all this that it might not hurt to wait on wr if there are more definitive separations at other positions.

 
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I guess it says something that the two comprehensive responses so far are almost upside-down from one another. :shrug:
I read from all this that it might not hurt to wait on wr if there are more definitive separations at rb & te.
My problem here lies in the idea that I think it's an exceptional year to wait on TE and QB (along with, of course, K and D), but a terrible year to wait on RB's. Meaning I'm probably stocking up on RB's early in all important drafts. Which in turn means I'm passing on the elite QB's and TE's, so I'm pretty much committed to taking them late.

The upshot is that my WR corps is probably listed above in some combo or another (together with some high-upside late flyers). So I almost have to make sense of it, which seems impossible. *sigh*

 
I guess it says something that the two comprehensive responses so far are almost upside-down from one another. :shrug:
I read from all this that it might not hurt to wait on wr if there are more definitive separations at rb & te.
My problem here lies in the idea that I think it's an exceptional year to wait on TE and QB (along with, of course, K and D), but a terrible year to wait on RB's. Meaning I'm probably stocking up on RB's early in all important drafts. Which in turn means I'm passing on the elite QB's and TE's, so I'm pretty much committed to taking them late.

The upshot is that my WR corps is probably listed above in some combo or another (together with some high-upside late flyers). So I almost have to make sense of it, which seems impossible. *sigh*
well rbs are also the hardest thing to find on the waiver wire so you might have a good plan there.

 
I guess it says something that the two comprehensive responses so far are almost upside-down from one another. :shrug:
I read from all this that it might not hurt to wait on wr if there are more definitive separations at other positions.
Yup. But it also makes sense to wait on quarterback, right? But you have to make a third round pick. So maybe the middle tier rbs are on the table? Or one of the elite quarterbacks in the third if they're there? Or maybe this upside down draft thing is a mistake, and you should grab your two stud backs like you used to and then load up on receivers from this tier before grabbing that qb?
 
Victor Cruz - Clear #1 WR in a good offensive scheme and stable QB situation (Manning is as close as you get to a mortal lock to start 16 games) who he has a good rapport with. Always seems to start the season strong, so maybe you dish him for value if he does so again.

Larry Fitzgerald - People say he is slowing down, I call BS on that. He is 30 years old and one of the best WRs of the past decade. Look at the list of WRs ahead of him on the all time yardage list, they all went on to multiple highly productive seasons after turning 30. Also has a good QB/scheme situation and is the clear favorite target near the end zone.

DeSean Jackson - New team, new scheme, new QB. But how far do you discount the most explosive WR on this list? About this far IMO.

Cordarrelle Patterson - Total gut call. He is still absolutely raw and mostly unproven. That being said I love what Norv does with his #1 WRs, he sends them deep to make big plays. He may be as dynamic as DeSean and if your league gives return scores to the individual then he gets a healthy bump. But this guy could easily finish 3-4 spots lower on this list.

Roddy White - He came on very strong after getting healthy last year. The running game is suspect at best but the offensive line is improved so hopefully Ryan won't be running for his life anymore. He also likes to sling the ball downfield and with the loss of Gonzo coupled with Julio drawing away most of the high end coverage Roddy is poised for another Roddy-like season. I think he is one of the safest picks on your list.

Michael Floyd - He really looked like he was emerging as the real deal as last season went on. I don't think the Cards have a credible enough ground game, particularly between the tackles, to turn into a milk the clock team so I think there will be plenty of passes to go around in the offense and Arians does not favor the TE in the passing game either. I think Fitz limits his TD potential but he should finish with more yards, possibly by a wide margin.

Michael Crabtree - The niners don't pass a whole lot and there are a lot of pass catchers to go around but I think Crabtree is Kaepernick's favorite. I also think Crabs is feeling pretty motivated by how the NFC championship game ended. If he is on his game I think he will emerge as the unquestioned #1 in SF.

Keenan Allen - I am skeptical about Allen for some reason. There is no guarantee that after an incredible rookie season that he will automatically be better in year two. He has an excellent QB and appears to be the #1 target so I could definitely see him out perform 3 or 4 of the WRs I ranked ahead of him but I don't think he has particularly special measurables and I could just as easily see him underperform expectations.

Vincent Jackson - I probably have him too low but I am just not sure how Jeff Tedford is going to deploy him. Jackson is a long strider and takes time to get up to speed (once there he will blow by lots of DBs though) he has never been a particularly crisp route runner either. And how much faith should we really have in Journeyman Josh McKnown and Mike Glennon? The offensive line is also struggling so I am being very cautious about VJax this season.

Pierre Garcon - Like Allen I could easily see him outperform this ranking. Unlike Allen I think Garcon has solid measurables and a better pedigree. What I don't like is not knowing how much usage he will get. The Redskins have the offensive ability to be a milk the clock team OTOH do they have the defense to shorten games? I don't know. Too many question marks.

Andre Johnson - At 33 AJ is nearing the end of the line IMO, but I don't think from a talent perspective that will happen this season. However from a team perspective he is in real trouble. Fitz has put up credible passing numbers in the past but he doesn't put up wins, he has also looked mediocre in the preseason (FWIW) and I don't think he will start all season which means Case Keenum and probably Tom Savage will be seeing time under center. I also think the Texans will rely heavily on a revitalized defense (adding Clowney and a healthy Cushing) and will possibly ride Arian Foster into the ground (possibly literally). If Foster gets injured they may have to become pass heavy out of necessity but I don't think they have the QBs to make a difference.

Percy Harvin - The talent is there, without question, he will run the ball, return the ball and obviously catch the ball. The guy is exciting to watch (on par with DeSean and Cordarrelle in that regard) but it is tough to rely on him being healthy for even 12 games let alone 16. Plus Seattle seems quite content to ground and pound and rely on the defense to keep games close.

TY Hilton - The ultimate feast or famine player. Good QB and super easy schedule (on paper) his year end stats will probably look solid but the guy just disappears for weeks at a time before exploding for a huge game or two. He is tiny too which is probably why he gets lost in the shuffle for extended periods. Also if Wayne stays healthy and Nicks even reclaims a shadow of what he was, plus with Dwayne Allen returning, I think that puts a lot of targets on the field for Luck and will hinder Hilton's opportunities.

 
Pierre garcon

DeSean Jackson

Percy harvin

Cordarelle Patterson

Michael Floyd

Larry Fitzgerald

Andre Johnson

Victor Cruz

Michael Crabtree

Keenan Allen

roddy white

Vincent Jackson

T.y.Hilton

I feel like these guys are all virtually identical in value but I see huge differences in their adp. Are you more confident in a huge uptick in Allen or even bigger bump for Patterson, or that Andre looks good with Fitzpatrick? Do you think Cruz is the fifteen hundred yard receiver we saw a couple years ago? was that a total fluke or can mcadoo work his magic? Last two times we saw harvin he was making a case for superbowl mvp and league mvp. But that was a team change and a lot of missed games ago.

All of these guys have huge upside and significant warts. How do you pick your favorites from this list?
Cordarelle Patterson

Percy harvin

If ya get one of these guys...

1) ex GB -WR Jennings has said good things about Patterson and game-planning..

2) If Percy hasn't stomped your Fantasy team once or twice, I don't believe it (esp w rtn yds)

Keenan Allen

DeSean Jackson

roddy white

Michael Crabtree

Win some, lose some (things could be worse)

1) Roddy should be back!

Victor Cruz

Vincent Jackson

Andre Johnson

Question marks (something ya don't want in earlier rnds)

1) Jackson may get the best CB, and I think his rookie counterpart is legit

2) Johnson I dunno trade rumors, personnel changes, "injurys?" Hopkins may surpass?

Larry Fitzgerald

Michael Floyd

T.y.Hilton

Theres gotta be some RB value on the board, is what Im thinking

1) Fitz is a great guy

2) Floyd is getting hyped, so he should already be gone?

3) Im still concerned w Hilton / Nicks may shock us too

My apologies if ya think its not so hot Boston. For instance, Wilson isn't known to sling the ball a lot.

Im not sure where to put Cruz , if that helps :/

However, D. Jackson may be the actual wildcard
 
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Funny. Differing opinions all over for these guys.

And it's the reason I'm letting value drop for my #2 and #3 WRs in the 4th to 7th round while I load up on RBs and hopefully an elite TE early.

 
So,I may be biased but I'm gonna put Crabtree at the top along with Patterson.Crabby will be excellant for where you can get him and if he plays all 16 games he could easily be top 10. Patterson should also to real well if the QB situation stabilizes.

The wild card that could pay huge dividends I feel is Michael Floyd. Fitz is the #1guy &Floyd could really benefit. I expect he'll produce good #2 numbers and can be had in mid to late rounds.

 
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I love seeing how criminally underrated Larry Fitzgerald is. He's only 30 years old people.
I think you're right, but my concerns would be: Floyd taking targets and 6 games vs. SEA, SF and STL.

Although I suppose that an argument could be made that Floyd improving could mean easier looks for Fitz.

 
If you don't take any of these guys in rounds 3-5, you are basically looking at drafting the following:

RB

Bush

Spiller

Gerhart

Sankey

Gore

Jennings

TE

VD

WItten

Cameron

QB

Stafford

Luck

Newton

Brady

RGIII

Foles

OR?

 
I love seeing how criminally underrated Larry Fitzgerald is. He's only 30 years old people.
I think you're right, but my concerns would be: Floyd taking targets and 6 games vs. SEA, SF and STL.

Although I suppose that an argument could be made that Floyd improving could mean easier looks for Fitz.
Arians runs primarily 2-3 WR sets and uses the TE primarily and secondarily as a blocker. They don't have a clock killing running game either. Plus Fitz is unquestionably the #1 option near the goal line. Floyd may finish with more yards again, likely on fewer catches but Fitz will have more TDs again and I am taking the over, by a wide margin, on last seasons yardage totals.
 
They are all close, but I have Roddy White in a clear tier ahead of them all for a few reasons:

- Still in the window for WR prime

- Outside of last year when he was playing with a high ankle sprain, he has been safest WR in fantasy:

- from 2008-2012 he averaged (non ppr) the following ppg: 11.2, 11.3, 12.3, 11.1, 11.1

- he has finished (non-ppr) as WR 6, 7, 4, 7, 10.

- As the year went on, Roddy got healthier and looked good. Over the last 5 weeks of the year, Roddy averaged 12.4 and was WR 8.

- There is concern that with Julio there, Roddy will lose production. Julio's first two years in the league, he was over 11 ppg and Roddy still finished as a WR1.

- Consistency in the offense and coaching

- Very good QB play, questionable run game, questionable defense

In my mind, White is the safest bet of all those guys to finish as a WR1. Unless Julio gets hurt, he won't be able to jump into top 5, but it is hard to see him producing less than WR12.

 
My thoughts, with ppr, H2H 12 team format.

[SIZE=10.5pt]Roddy White– I expect a big bounce back this year. Over 100 targets up for grabs with Gonzo’s retirement. Offense and schedule conducive for big production.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Pierre Garcon– has more competition for targets, but also a healthy QB. Schedule is conducive for offensive production.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Coin flip between Floyd and Fitz. I expect Fitz to be more consistent while Floyd will be more explosive.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Michael Floyd– 2nd year in system; improving oline; coach’s strong history of passing game production [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Larry Fitzgerald– 2nd year in system; improving oline; coach’s strong history of passing game production[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Keenan Allen– like the QB and schedule; may potentially outperform everyone on this list, I just need to see more before I am driving that bandwagon.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Cordarelle Patterson– love his talent and the presence of Norm but have major concerns about QB play. Be prepared to invest a 4th round pick in him if you really love him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Victor Cruz– love Cruz but I do not like his situation. Very poor oline play and questionable QB play. What the hell happened to Eli?
Andre Johnson– love his talent; hate his situation. The Texans look like a train wreck and I am not buying Fitz as a starting QB.
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]DeSean Jackson– should flourish in this system… if featured; may not be consistent enough in H2H formats[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Percy Harvin– I love his ability but can’t get past his injury history; Seahawk offense has not produced strong fantasy number in passing game.

Vincent Jackson– not buying McCown as the answer; oline play looks very shakey; new system

T.Y.Hilton– love his situation and talent; lots of competition for targets; I may move him up a few spots at some point.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Michael Crabtree– more competition than ever for balls; offensive system does not have a history of strong pass production. [/SIZE]

 
Chaka said:
Victor Cruz - Clear #1 WR in a good offensive scheme and stable QB situation (Manning is as close as you get to a mortal lock to start 16 games) who he has a good rapport with. Always seems to start the season strong, so maybe you dish him for value if he does so again.

Larry Fitzgerald - People say he is slowing down, I call BS on that. He is 30 years old and one of the best WRs of the past decade. Look at the list of WRs ahead of him on the all time yardage list, they all went on to multiple highly productive seasons after turning 30. Also has a good QB/scheme situation and is the clear favorite target near the end zone.

DeSean Jackson - New team, new scheme, new QB. But how far do you discount the most explosive WR on this list? About this far IMO.

Cordarrelle Patterson - Total gut call. He is still absolutely raw and mostly unproven. That being said I love what Norv does with his #1 WRs, he sends them deep to make big plays. He may be as dynamic as DeSean and if your league gives return scores to the individual then he gets a healthy bump. But this guy could easily finish 3-4 spots lower on this list.

Roddy White - He came on very strong after getting healthy last year. The running game is suspect at best but the offensive line is improved so hopefully Ryan won't be running for his life anymore. He also likes to sling the ball downfield and with the loss of Gonzo coupled with Julio drawing away most of the high end coverage Roddy is poised for another Roddy-like season. I think he is one of the safest picks on your list.

Michael Floyd - He really looked like he was emerging as the real deal as last season went on. I don't think the Cards have a credible enough ground game, particularly between the tackles, to turn into a milk the clock team so I think there will be plenty of passes to go around in the offense and Arians does not favor the TE in the passing game either. I think Fitz limits his TD potential but he should finish with more yards, possibly by a wide margin.

Michael Crabtree - The niners don't pass a whole lot and there are a lot of pass catchers to go around but I think Crabtree is Kaepernick's favorite. I also think Crabs is feeling pretty motivated by how the NFC championship game ended. If he is on his game I think he will emerge as the unquestioned #1 in SF.

Keenan Allen - I am skeptical about Allen for some reason. There is no guarantee that after an incredible rookie season that he will automatically be better in year two. He has an excellent QB and appears to be the #1 target so I could definitely see him out perform 3 or 4 of the WRs I ranked ahead of him but I don't think he has particularly special measurables and I could just as easily see him underperform expectations.

Vincent Jackson - I probably have him too low but I am just not sure how Jeff Tedford is going to deploy him. Jackson is a long strider and takes time to get up to speed (once there he will blow by lots of DBs though) he has never been a particularly crisp route runner either. And how much faith should we really have in Journeyman Josh McKnown and Mike Glennon? The offensive line is also struggling so I am being very cautious about VJax this season.

Pierre Garcon - Like Allen I could easily see him outperform this ranking. Unlike Allen I think Garcon has solid measurables and a better pedigree. What I don't like is not knowing how much usage he will get. The Redskins have the offensive ability to be a milk the clock team OTOH do they have the defense to shorten games? I don't know. Too many question marks.

Andre Johnson - At 33 AJ is nearing the end of the line IMO, but I don't think from a talent perspective that will happen this season. However from a team perspective he is in real trouble. Fitz has put up credible passing numbers in the past but he doesn't put up wins, he has also looked mediocre in the preseason (FWIW) and I don't think he will start all season which means Case Keenum and probably Tom Savage will be seeing time under center. I also think the Texans will rely heavily on a revitalized defense (adding Clowney and a healthy Cushing) and will possibly ride Arian Foster into the ground (possibly literally). If Foster gets injured they may have to become pass heavy out of necessity but I don't think they have the QBs to make a difference.

Percy Harvin - The talent is there, without question, he will run the ball, return the ball and obviously catch the ball. The guy is exciting to watch (on par with DeSean and Cordarrelle in that regard) but it is tough to rely on him being healthy for even 12 games let alone 16. Plus Seattle seems quite content to ground and pound and rely on the defense to keep games close.

TY Hilton - The ultimate feast or famine player. Good QB and super easy schedule (on paper) his year end stats will probably look solid but the guy just disappears for weeks at a time before exploding for a huge game or two. He is tiny too which is probably why he gets lost in the shuffle for extended periods. Also if Wayne stays healthy and Nicks even reclaims a shadow of what he was, plus with Dwayne Allen returning, I think that puts a lot of targets on the field for Luck and will hinder Hilton's opportunities.
Nice list. I only disagree with your observations on Cruz. We really do not know if the offensive change will be for the better. Yes, the vibe has been positive, but we still don't know. I find it alarming that Eli hasn't even attempt a pass longer than 10 yards in two preseason games. I think a lot of that is due to the oline, but still that is the same thing I saw last year which really undercut Cruz's production. And while Eli may be a mortal lock to start 16, I am not convince it will be the Eli of 2007-2008. I love Cruz, but not real comfortable with his surroundings and I wouldn't put him at the top of the list.

 
All of these rankings just seem random without projections to go along with them.
projections aren't random?
That's not what I mean. Something qualitative like "X Player - I like his situation" doesn't do enough to distinguish a player in a group as clumped together as this seems to be. If the rankings were also accompanied by realistic projection, I think it'd make the rankings look less arbitrary. I know everyone doesn't do their own projections as it can be extremely tedious, but yeah, I think it'd help.

 
All of these rankings just seem random without projections to go along with them.
I hear what you are saying, but I think that we are trying to get a sense of what we think each guy's range of outcomes is and how likely each point is to be achieved. My projections have these guys separated by less than 2 points per game, so I think there is a little more nuance to trying to make the best decison.

 
Roddy White (as much of a ####### ####### as he is) was a top 10 WR for 5 straight years before the ankle injury last pre season.

I don't see how he isn't in the upper echelon of this list.

 
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All of these rankings just seem random without projections to go along with them.
I hear what you are saying, but I think that we are trying to get a sense of what we think each guy's range of outcomes is and how likely each point is to be achieved. My projections have these guys separated by less than 2 points per game, so I think there is a little more nuance to trying to make the best decison.
Are your projections based on ppr scoring? I could see 2 ppg separation between WRs 12-24 in standard scoring but the gap increases a bit in ppr. I feel you, as I think the qualitative is important but seeing someone post essentially inverse rankings to the previous poster without any statistical basis just looks funny.

 
Roddy White (as much of a ####### ####### as he is) was a top 10 WR for 5 straight years before the ankle injury last pre season.

I don't see how he isn't in the upper echelon of this list.
:shrug:

He does seem to be pretty high on most lists, and I think what we're looking at here are ADP guys starting at #11. I'd have an awfully hard time ranking White ahead of anyone in the ADP top 10, so I'm feeling like the consensus agrees with you.

 
Roddy White (as much of a ####### ####### as he is) was a top 10 WR for 5 straight years before the ankle injury last pre season.

I don't see how he isn't in the upper echelon of this list.
:shrug:

He does seem to be pretty high on most lists, and I think what we're looking at here are ADP guys starting at #11. I'd have an awfully hard time ranking White ahead of anyone in the ADP top 10, so I'm feeling like the consensus agrees with you.
I think White's ADP was a little lower maybe a month ago and has worked it's way back to the proper spot once everyone remembered that he was just hurt last year.

 
Roddy White (as much of a ####### ####### as he is) was a top 10 WR for 5 straight years before the ankle injury last pre season.

I don't see how he isn't in the upper echelon of this list.
:shrug:

He does seem to be pretty high on most lists, and I think what we're looking at here are ADP guys starting at #11. I'd have an awfully hard time ranking White ahead of anyone in the ADP top 10, so I'm feeling like the consensus agrees with you.
I think White's ADP was a little lower maybe a month ago and has worked it's way back to the proper spot once everyone remembered that he was just hurt last year.
I think people just like Hard Knocks. But yeah, he deserves to be in that 10-15 range.

 
Allen

Jackson

Cruz

White

Johnson

Fitz

Garcon

Welker

Floyd

Patterson

Harvin

Crabtree

Harvin

Desean

T Smith

TY

 
Roddy White (as much of a ####### ####### as he is) was a top 10 WR for 5 straight years before the ankle injury last pre season.

I don't see how he isn't in the upper echelon of this list.
:shrug:

He does seem to be pretty high on most lists, and I think what we're looking at here are ADP guys starting at #11. I'd have an awfully hard time ranking White ahead of anyone in the ADP top 10, so I'm feeling like the consensus agrees with you.
I think White's ADP was a little lower maybe a month ago and has worked it's way back to the proper spot once everyone remembered that he was just hurt last year.
I think people just like Hard Knocks. But yeah, he deserves to be in that 10-15 range.
Good point on the HK effect, can never discount that to kill value in fantasy.

 
Also, I would put Cruz at the bottom. That offense looks like a total mess. I am not convinced he does any better than he did last year.

 
Also, I would put Cruz at the bottom. That offense looks like a total mess. I am not convinced he does any better than he did last year.
I can't personally do it but I understand why anyone would. I don't question his talent and he is the undisputed #1 wr on his team but the Giants certainly don't look to have anything fixed on offense yet.
 
I've got concerns about Allen. I think there's going to be less throwing in SD, and more mouths to feed, and I'm not at all sure that if a miracle occurs and Malcolm Floyd stays healthy, he doesn't end up with more receptions than Allen straight up.

I obviously still like the guy, if I'm putting him in a tier with Fitz, Harvin, et al. But the questions I see out there have me leery of putting him anywhere too near the top ten. I always liked Floyd when he was healthy, and it's pretty clear Rivers does, too.

 
I don't really agree with the premise that these guys are virtually identical, but I will certainly take a shot at ranking them.

Tier 1 - Beast City - I'll reach half a round

Roddy White

Keenan Allen

The case for White has been stated many times over already. The case for Allen, less so. I love Allen because of how ridiculously efficient he and Rivers were. He had 71 catches on just 104 targets, a 68% catch rate--ridiculous for a rookie. Many have cited his measurables in making the case that he won't have a superstar ceiling, but I'm fine with that given what he's produced with what he has. I expect an 80-85 catch season and 1200+ yards out of him. Basically, I expect him to put up a Roddy White type year, which is why he finds himself alongside the man himself.

Tier 2 - Gladly taking them at their ADP

Michael Crabtree

Percy Harvin

Pierre Garcon

Victor Cruz

Andre Johnson

I like all these dudes. There are definitely questions about each of them, but it's factored in to their prices. I should also note that Welker wasn't listed in this post, and I would definitely put him in this group. Crabtree is my favorite out of all of them. I feel like I should be worried about Garcon because Jackson and a healthy Jordan Reed should see a lot of work, but I think Griffin will get closer to 2012 form this year and that Garcon will still be a good get. I'd be wary of Cruz had the Giants not canned Kevin Gilbride, but they did, so he's back in my good graces despite last year.

Tier 3 - Not so sure

Michael Floyd

Larry Fitzgerald

DeSean Jackson

Vincent Jackson

There's a good chance I'd skip these guys, though I'd give them a look if they slipped a round, especially Floyd because he's less of a known quantity. In the case of the Jacksons, it's because I believe they may lose more to Garcon and Mike Evans than most experts are currently forecasting. Floyd and Fitzgerald are here for that reason, too; I can't suss out which one of them I think is going to have the better year, and whether or not Arizona is going to take a step back on offense or not. Palmer made both of them good-but-not-great last year, and I could see a scenario where he still throws 22 picks but drops down from 24 TDs to 18. He's not that good anymore.

Tier 4 - Pass

Cordarelle Patterson

T.Y. Hilton

Hilton's too boom/bust for my tastes, and I think an Indy offense that adds Nicks and get Dwayne Allen back might have a spread-it-around feel, making it hard to trust any of their guys week to week. I think Patterson is a great player, but the crazy amount of hype has pushed him up boards to the point that there's little value in him. He could double his yardage from last year and still be a bit of disappointment. I don't think he's getting to top-10 status with Cassel/Bridgewater at QB, and I also don't know that he's likely to get 3 rushing TDs and 2 return TDs again.

 
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Last two years Andre Johnson has been underrated and people say he's at the end and he not only delivers but has put up just massive seasons in PPR. Fitzpatrick scares me with his noodle arm but I am not going to buy into the "he's nearing the end" whispers after seasons of 109 and 112 catches and 1500 and 1400 yards. What exactly did you see last year that makes you think he's near the end?

 
Last two years Andre Johnson has been underrated and people say he's at the end and he not only delivers but has put up just massive seasons in PPR. Fitzpatrick scares me with his noodle arm but I am not going to buy into the "he's nearing the end" whispers after seasons of 109 and 112 catches and 1500 and 1400 yards. What exactly did you see last year that makes you think he's near the end?
I saw kubiak get fired

 
Pierre garcon

DeSean Jackson

Percy harvin

Cordarelle Patterson

Michael Floyd

Larry Fitzgerald

Andre Johnson

Victor Cruz

Michael Crabtree

Keenan Allen

roddy white

Vincent Jackson

T.y.Hilton

I feel like these guys are all virtually identical in value but I see huge differences in their adp. Are you more confident in a huge uptick in Allen or even bigger bump for Patterson, or that Andre looks good with Fitzpatrick? Do you think Cruz is the fifteen hundred yard receiver we saw a couple years ago? was that a total fluke or can mcadoo work his magic? Last two times we saw harvin he was making a case for superbowl mvp and league mvp. But that was a team change and a lot of missed games ago.

All of these guys have huge upside and significant warts. How do you pick your favorites from this list?
Cordarelle Patterson -- just because I like the lure of the unproven lotto upside guys

Victor Cruz

roddy white

Keenan Allen

T.y.Hilton

Larry Fitzgerald

Vincent Jackson

Andre Johnson

Pierre garcon

DeSean Jackson

Percy harvin

Michael Floyd

Michael Crabtree

 
http://www.uthdynasty.com/uth-insider/2014-redraft-master-plan-wide-receivers/

Victor Cruz is looking like a potential target hog in New York. Any improvement from Eli Manning will make Cruz a high-end WR2 at a minimum. Think of Victor Cruz like Antonio Brown with more upside and coming at a one-to-two round discount.

It appears that quite a few of the players, that we were attempting to loosely rank are mentioned. Im saying loosely, because one or two players appear on both sides of extreme end.

fwiw my rank isn't so hot, because it was more or less from the gut. But if this guy is more correct (which he probably is) at least I did preface "Im not sure about Cruz"

p.s. Its kinda interesting how the author says "any improvement from Eli" similar to what we may say about a players 2nd or 3rd yr... yeah Cruz (I dunno)

 
based on my ppr projections

andre (wr9)

fitz=allen=cruz

vjax=garcon

crabtree=hilton=harvin=white

floyd

gap

patterson=desean (wr27)

 
Just bringing this thread back to life.

I am in keeper league, and know who will be there for me in this group (Garcon, Allen, Crabtree, Fitz, VJAX, Andre, Hilton, Harvin were all kept)

Have to decide between Patterson, Cruz, Floyd, DJax, White

I think I rank them

White (longest track record)

Cruz (I have a hard time thinking this year is going to be unmitigated disaster and if the offense is 15% better than last year, Cruz should be a servicable no. 2)

Floyd- Maybe this the year he surpasses Fitz?

Patterson- maybe highest ceiling, but I think the lowest floor

Djax- Too boom or bust for my tastes, get a bad vibe from Wash, but can't really explain why

 

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