James Daulton
Footballguy
Trump supporters simply don't care what happens to the children because it's all about MAGA, and owning libs, and shaking things up.
They are truly bizarre.
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Help me understand the desire to see Trump fail (1 Viewer)
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They are truly bizarre.
timschochet
Footballguy
Depends on the issue. Of course I want to see a strong economy, a peaceful prosperous safe society, better trade deals if we can get them, defeat of our enemies and the evil nations of this world. Any time President Trump is trying to achieve these things, I always want him to succeed even if, as often is the case, I strongly disagree with his strategies and tactics.
But as far as most of the specific goals he campaigned on: immigration, isolationism, environmental rollbacks, etc.- I want him to fail badly.
But as far as most of the specific goals he campaigned on: immigration, isolationism, environmental rollbacks, etc.- I want him to fail badly.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
It all comes down to the legacy and precedence he is creating.
I always look at what Trump is doing and wonder what it would be like if someone fully competent was in his place. I think we’re getting a good preview with AG Barr. I think there’s some bad people on both sides of the aisle salivating at what’s going on now.
Watching how the GOP, who hated Trump until he won the nomination, fell completely behind him. How the Democrats have been mainly powerless to stop it. Seeing one check of power (Congress) is being blown off and the other (courts) on the verge of being ignored.
These are things that should not be allowed to become norms because if they do, someone will come along be better at exploiting them. If it takes cheering for Trump to fail, so be it. I want his Presidency to be remembered as a mistake we survived, not the beginning of something worse.
I always look at what Trump is doing and wonder what it would be like if someone fully competent was in his place. I think we’re getting a good preview with AG Barr. I think there’s some bad people on both sides of the aisle salivating at what’s going on now.
Watching how the GOP, who hated Trump until he won the nomination, fell completely behind him. How the Democrats have been mainly powerless to stop it. Seeing one check of power (Congress) is being blown off and the other (courts) on the verge of being ignored.
These are things that should not be allowed to become norms because if they do, someone will come along be better at exploiting them. If it takes cheering for Trump to fail, so be it. I want his Presidency to be remembered as a mistake we survived, not the beginning of something worse.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The courts aren't ignored...but they have been stacked now with Trump appointees. Thanks to McConnell’s obstruction during the previous admin. How many Obama nominees(even beyond Garland) were held up?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Perfectly stated.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
. How far in your head am I? 
. I destroy your point and you get personal. I am done with you. Have a nice day!James Daulton
Footballguy
Destroyed my point?
bahahahahahahaha You're right, Obama never hit 2.9%...Oh wait you're WRONG.
lmfao.
They haven’t been ignored yet. How close was Trump to doing it with the citizenship question? Next time he might not back down.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Over 50% of international sovereign debt is negative right now. At just over 2% the 10 year treasury in the U.S. is high comparably. Low interest rates do help the stock market I will give you that. Investors can get 2% in a 10 year treasury, S&P 500 with 2% dividend yield with good possibility of growth, or money market 1-2% but likely to go down when Fed lowers rates. Stocks look like the best investment right now.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
We have had quite a few corrections in this 10 year run already which is very normal.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
You think investors are swayed by tweets? I think they are way smarter than that. Don't fight the Fed, I agree with you there. Not sure on algos as I don't know enough about them.
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Gopher State
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Well I am up 20 percent in real money this year in the stock market. So no house of cards for me. But please let us know when it falls.NREC34 said:
LOLJames Daulton
Footballguy
How much of the country is like you? 10%?Well I am up 20 percent in real money this year in the stock market. So no house of cards for me. But please let us know when it falls.
KCitons
Footballguy
NREC34
Footballguy
Nope. Algos are. They’re not that smart yet.
BTW I saw earlier on Twitter that Trump is now saying that the Chinese are going to sign the trade deal as soon as the 2020 election is over.
NREC34
Footballguy
I hate to tell you that it’s not real profit or money until you sell. GL.Well I am up 20 percent in real money this year in the stock market. So no house of cards for me. But please let us know when it falls.
James Daulton
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
What percentage of the (dwindling) middle class do you think have a 401k?
My opinion is that the middle class has been losing jobs and losing salary for the last couple of decades. If the current stock market run helps their 401k, that's a small win. And I'll take it.
dkp993
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Are you talking about people who make money in the stock market?
Or are you talking about conservative trolls who pretend to be Democrat and claim they will vote for somebody to defeat Trump “but only if they don’t nominate a socialist”?
Just checking.
randall146
Footballguy
You cashed out already, despite your bullish outlook?Well I am up 20 percent in real money this year in the stock market. So no house of cards for me. But please let us know when it falls.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Why ? I love abortion and the death penalty, well 1st trimester abortion.
I’d take convicted peds and certain murders off the board , not all murders just certain ones.You molest a kid and your head is on the chopping block
HellToupee
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
There’s enough people calling them out, would be white noise at this point. But JB is every inch their equal now.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Do I constantly follow someone around calling them board cop? Someone that doesn’t even engage with me?
adonis
Footballguy
For me, it's the lack of respect for truth, for rule of law, for decorum, for rising above pettiness and fear.
Leadership should bring out the best in folks, not incite the worst.
Leadership should encourage folks to higher ideals, to high ethical standards, not the baseness of the current adminsitration.
Leadership should strive to put qualified folks in positions of authority to effect the greatest positive change.
Leadership should not encourage nepotism by putting family members in key leadership roles.
Leadership should foster relationships with folks we share common values with, and should speak firmly and represent our values to those representing regimes with opposing views.
Leadership attempts to embody the highest ethics and behavior, not simply to celebrate that its behavior isn't criminally prosecutable.
The entire Trump administration, nearly from top to bottom, embodies all that I oppose in modern, democratic, ethical and modern leadership. It's banal. It's unethical. It's criminal. It's nepotic. It's base. It is self-serving to a point at which if it's good for Trump, that's all that matters. Call the press the enemy of the people? It's ok it's good for Trump. Insult federal judges based on their critical rulings of Trump, that's OK because it's good for Trump.
The entire concept of country of party, or country over person, or representing American ideals across the world, or leading American's to be better, or setting high standards for those in elected office, or choosing the best among us, or expecting our leadership to know what they're talking about on important issues...all have been lost, in a reality tv leader who knows how to throw red meat to its base, who will in turn ignore any shortcoming of the president.
I don't want Trump to fail. But I will not shrink back from pointing out all the failings of the man as our President. They are numerous, significant, and shameful.
Leadership should bring out the best in folks, not incite the worst.
Leadership should encourage folks to higher ideals, to high ethical standards, not the baseness of the current adminsitration.
Leadership should strive to put qualified folks in positions of authority to effect the greatest positive change.
Leadership should not encourage nepotism by putting family members in key leadership roles.
Leadership should foster relationships with folks we share common values with, and should speak firmly and represent our values to those representing regimes with opposing views.
Leadership attempts to embody the highest ethics and behavior, not simply to celebrate that its behavior isn't criminally prosecutable.
The entire Trump administration, nearly from top to bottom, embodies all that I oppose in modern, democratic, ethical and modern leadership. It's banal. It's unethical. It's criminal. It's nepotic. It's base. It is self-serving to a point at which if it's good for Trump, that's all that matters. Call the press the enemy of the people? It's ok it's good for Trump. Insult federal judges based on their critical rulings of Trump, that's OK because it's good for Trump.
The entire concept of country of party, or country over person, or representing American ideals across the world, or leading American's to be better, or setting high standards for those in elected office, or choosing the best among us, or expecting our leadership to know what they're talking about on important issues...all have been lost, in a reality tv leader who knows how to throw red meat to its base, who will in turn ignore any shortcoming of the president.
I don't want Trump to fail. But I will not shrink back from pointing out all the failings of the man as our President. They are numerous, significant, and shameful.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
The thread title is the sociopolitical equivalent of "Why don't you think I'm pretty?"
Insomniac
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John Blutarsky
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
It started with his base "birther" attacks against Obama. I'm not the biggest fan of Obama.....but the manner and length that Trump pushed that agenda wasn't becoming of a leader. It made him look petty.
It continued with the idea that Trump, despite his faults, really could have been a legit "swamp drainer". He hasn't done that. He hasn't broken the wheel. He hasn't reformed Washington or pushed a positive narrative for the future of this country. He brings and encourages the worst in his supporters. If some considered Obama to be a divider....this guy is a demolisher....and his supporters love him for that as they don't want common cause or to find common ground with his opponents.
He's not one to really be admired. I wouldn't want my son to grow up and be like him....I wouldn't want my daughter to marry someone like him.
Trump's agenda and personality (these things are separate from some of the traditional Republican agendas) bring out the worst in his followers. The apprehension of the implementation of traditional Republican policy is secondary to a base cult of personality that IMO is devoid of much virtue and morality. I've said since the beginning of his term...I'd take Pence in a heartbeat.
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It continued with the idea that Trump, despite his faults, really could have been a legit "swamp drainer". He hasn't done that. He hasn't broken the wheel. He hasn't reformed Washington or pushed a positive narrative for the future of this country. He brings and encourages the worst in his supporters. If some considered Obama to be a divider....this guy is a demolisher....and his supporters love him for that as they don't want common cause or to find common ground with his opponents.
He's not one to really be admired. I wouldn't want my son to grow up and be like him....I wouldn't want my daughter to marry someone like him.
Trump's agenda and personality (these things are separate from some of the traditional Republican agendas) bring out the worst in his followers. The apprehension of the implementation of traditional Republican policy is secondary to a base cult of personality that IMO is devoid of much virtue and morality. I've said since the beginning of his term...I'd take Pence in a heartbeat.
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
While I understand that......most who say that didn't provide that same "all I care about is my money" attitude towards Obama when he brought the market up. It rings hollow.Well I am up 20 percent in real money this year in the stock market. So no house of cards for me. But please let us know when it falls.
NREC34
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
Longest stock market expansion in history under Trump, Obama had no were to go but up with fed iinterest rate cuts. Trump is the Bill B. Of the stock market, no hollow results, just winning.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
55 percent invested in stocks per recent information. The other that’s their personal decision to not own stocks. Do you own stocks?
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I don`t have much money in the market as I am jut starting out. Around 75K total. I am with Fidelity and they are strong on the market. Then I read things here that make me worried. Are you guys here saying it is going to crash financial people who really know? I have been reading this for the last year but I have still made some good returns so I am glad I did not get out. So get out now?
timschochet
Footballguy
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Great question. Why would I not want to see a mean, nasty, narcissistic, rude, racist, bigoted, disrespectful, , greedy, cheating, dishonest, lying President who said he is willing to accept a foreign nation’s dirt on an opponent to win an election to succeed?
Let me think about that for a bit and I would will get back to you.
Let me think about that for a bit and I would will get back to you.
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whoknew
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
"Help me to understand the desire to see Barry Bonds fail."
zoonation
Footballguy
Sho had a thoughtful well articulated (even if you disagree with it) post at the top of page one.
What do you have? Nothing. Trolling.
I’ve been watching closely the last month. The Sho bullying is ridic.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
Sadly, your statement is more accurate than not. Like clock work, Sho posts, and a few have some sort of retort within minutes. If people report it, nary anything happens.
msommer
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msommer
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@FBG Moderator - perhaps something to look into in your copious working hours. The body of work that goes into this by some posters is astounding abd adds little or nothing
Punxsutawney Phil
Footballguy
The damage his policies have done to the environment are already being felt. Look at the California fires for example.
Look at the rhetoric in this thread. More than ever, we want to “own” or “destroy” the so-called other side. We LOL at perfectly reasonable concerns because they come from folks who hold opposing views. I’d write more but Adonis said it better than I could. We should demand better of our leaders.
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