dkp993
Footballguy
Probably a valid point, but man is that pushing a boulder up a hill. Big boulder and STEEP hill.
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Help me understand the desire to see Trump fail (3 Viewers)
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
On the flip side, not saying you are attempting the following, but to suggest to the outspoken to keep quiet or move, you then suppress ideas of that sort.
It's like 98% of scientists confirm climate change is happening yet the 2% cry about not getting equal time on tv. Those 2% do not deserve 50% of the time nor do they deserve the stated platform. In a way, your sentiments are similar to suppressing the vote practiced by Republicans. If someone doesn't agree, prevent them from speaking (voting). It's fascinating to see play out.
I don't have the millions behind me, but this is what happened with Facebook and other "media" in the 2016 election.
KCitons
Footballguy
Then I would ask if you're living your best life, or your easiest life? If it's that latter, then why throw stones at @Gopher State for living his easiest life?
In your scenario above, you're speaking to the two percent, 100% of the time. You're not changing the minds of the 98% here. They're already on your side.
dkp993
Footballguy
Really not sure what your referring too. We are all just discussing specific points of conversation or policy belief. Disagreements in this are inevitable, but he (or anyone) certainly has the right to make what ever choices lead him/them to their perceived best life.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Doesn't really affect me. Lived a long live. I am worried about my kids. i worry about the policies Trump is putting in place and also the direction this country is going.
i am worried about t he future, which is why we need to do something now.
KCitons
Footballguy
I'd also like to add another response to your post of
Isn't it the Trump supporters that are pushing the big boulder up a steep hill? They have no less conviction for their belief than you do. Yet, they don't take the easy way out by surrounding themselves with like minded people by going to another board to fit in.
I have a Catholic upbringing, but no longer participate. Even if you don't believe, the bible is a pretty strong piece of literature. Jesus didn't stay in one place and surround himself with believers. He went out to find those that didn't believe, hoping they would see the light. You guys are just shining the light on each other here. Day after day.
KCitons
Footballguy
The point still remains, you can't change Trump. Worrying about your kids is the same thing every parent does. I was born in the late 60's, but I imagine a lot of parents were thinking the same thing during that time.
As to the bolded, what can you do right now? And what is posting negative feelings about Trump on a message board, or social media, really going to accomplish. Trump is a pretty polarizing POTUS. Can you put pressure on Pelosi? Maybe. Not sure where you live. Anyone else that is in favor of impeachment can call their Reps in Washington and try to persuade them to put pressure on her. But in reality, if you don't like Trump, you are stuck until next fall. That's the only time you can do anything on your own.
Spend time with your kids. I'm sure nobody ever said on their death bed, "I wish I spent more time venting on a fake football message board about how much I hate Trump".
dkp993
Footballguy
100%.
I cant and won’t speak for anyone else but myself, but if you look at my post history here in the PSF I almost exclusively interact with the pro-T crowd, or the opposing view like you and Stealthy. I don’t read most of the other posts with the exemption of a few guys I really am interested in their thoughts (SID, Maurile, Henry, etc). I’m really here to hear and interact with the Trump crowd because I can’t (won’t is probably more accurate) with my real world circle. I do this in an attempt to understand, which is admittedly extremely difficult and I fail almost exclusively in doing. I don’t go over to that other site as I know I can’t change a thing and have no desire too. If I did, to your point, my efforts would be better served there.
KCitons
Footballguy
Bossman
Footballguy
Lot of reading to digest here.
Here's what I'm getting ....
People are are not so much suffering now ... but are concerned there will be suffering in the future due to Trumps actions.
Debt, Climate change, foreign relations, immigration seem to be the popular issues.
I might be in the minority that the above issues are low on my priority list personally. Build a wall. I don't care enough to complain either way.
Shame on me. Selfish and shallow am I.
Many saying they want Trump to fail is because he's a jerk and an embarrassment. That is understandable ... but not at the cost of the country suffering.
Here's what I'm getting ....
People are are not so much suffering now ... but are concerned there will be suffering in the future due to Trumps actions.
Debt, Climate change, foreign relations, immigration seem to be the popular issues.
I might be in the minority that the above issues are low on my priority list personally. Build a wall. I don't care enough to complain either way.
Shame on me. Selfish and shallow am I.
Many saying they want Trump to fail is because he's a jerk and an embarrassment. That is understandable ... but not at the cost of the country suffering.
Cheese and Crackers
Footballguy
Of course you missed the point of you guys giving Trump full credit when he's only been around for 1/4 of it.That analogy isn’t very accurate when you give Obama a triple for Bernanke printing record amounts of money and artificially keeping rates at 0% well past when he should have and acting like its apples to apples but hey.....more of the same I guess.
But hey....more of the same I guess
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
A quick search of "OBummer" here reveals posts by:
You, Bucky, Dinsy General, The Commish several times, Orton to Olsen, Sherrif Bart, Sinn Fein, James Daulton, sho nuff, Officer Pete Malloy, and squistion. A who's who of Pro Trump posters!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
So your telling me none of the pro Trump crowd has spoken poorly of Obama recently? Is that really a hill you want to die on?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
No one here refers to him as "OBummer" as you claimed. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Search for yourself.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Guy never provides links but spends all day asking for them. It's no wonder many laugh at his schtick when he claims to provide serious discussion.
dkp993
Footballguy
Again semantics . You are full aware of the point that was being made. To even act as if you didn’t is the very definition of obtuse. Keep digging that hole though, I’m sure you’ll get out soon enough with some other cleaver attempt to act as if you didn’t understand those very complex 2 sentences I wrote.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Or you could speak normally and make your point and stop trying to use words that those you're discussing don't even use. Then double down and start calling me obtuse and whatever. It's not my fault you got called out for lying errrrr semantics
KCitons
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
The country has been on a great track now since about 2009. Look at every chart and it’s progression or regression (depending on which is good for the area you are looking at) has been trending well since then.
We can have success without this crazy, awful person spewing all this nonsense.
Majority of his policies are just boilerplate Republican stuff. He just adds the openly ignorant views on science and diversity along with his outright lies. Nice little bonus he throws in is he loves to rile up racists with questionable language then throw his hands up that he’s being wrongfully attacked.
That everything he complains about is wrong he has done or is doing at usually a much higher clip is also not really appreciated.
dkp993
Footballguy
Sorry am I distracting you from chasing sho around calling him a board cop?Wow
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
There it is the rolling emoji. Always a classic.
More semantics?
Have a good day GB.
Mile High
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Whoah no not for me at all.
This is not history’s first roll of the die. I do not want people to suffer, now or in the future. History’s examples of authoritarianism almost always features advances in material wealth and benefits with that system. The key is asking people to make moral and democratic (small d) decisions despite that. The trading of liberty for security has •••always••• been the offered deal, read your Ben Franklin for that.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Please Trumpers don’t take this the wrong way, but ‘the trains run on time’, ‘great leap forward’, and ‘the economy will crash without me’ are all based on the same premise.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Land, Bread, Peace.
Sounds good, doesn’t it?
Sounds good, doesn’t it?
dkp993
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Cheese and Crackers
Footballguy
This.
Take an economic stat, and make a graph. If you don't label the time axis, there is nothing to indicate when Trump took over.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
If I cared about your opinion that might mean something. As you’re an internet stranger it means absolutely nothing. Laugh away.
It occurs to me that "he makes the stock market go up" is a very close modern parallel to "he makes the trains run on time."
roadkill1292
Footballguy
It's almost as if they don't think that someone else could have done as well without having all of Trump's shortcomings.
skycriesmary
Climbing up the Walls
Oh, the irony of your post. At least Belushi was funny. You're just a bore.Troll away good buddy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
anytime the opposing political party has the power of the presidency, they want that person to fail so they can regain control
that's it - that's your answer
Snorkelson
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
That's a pretty big leap you're making. Why would you need "other words"? Mine were clear.
There are those here that think they are doing important work by fighting the evil powers of the GOP and this current administration. They are probably doing it at the expense of their real life. Whether you call it venting or not, the time spent complaining about Trump is not really productive. Yet, posters here claim that it is. They're changing the minds of the racists misogynistic heathens that reside on these pages . So, I submit to their ideal and instead point out that they have a humongous advantage in numbers when it comes to right vs left on this board. If they were truly wishing to make an impact, their time could be better spent elsewhere trying to change peoples minds. It's just simple math. I expect that most don't really want to change peoples minds. Or they do, but only in safety of the herd. That way, if they get injured by someone's words, there will be another person to step in and keep up the fight.
Sorry my words don't fit your narrative. What's next? In other words, I'm saying go back where you came from? There are places (this board is one of them) where you can say, "If you don't like it, you can leave". Joe has said it numerous times. Try not to let it upset you every time you hear it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
This thread is silly. For as long as I've been here we have had critics of the current administration complain while their supporters accuse them of wanting to see America fail. It would be no different if Jeb Bush or John Kasich had won in 2016.
Well, maybe a little different: Trump dials up nastiness like no other.
Well, maybe a little different: Trump dials up nastiness like no other.
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Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
It would extremely different. I guess. I wouldn't be here if Bush or Kasich won so wouldn't know.Godsbrother said:
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