Help me understand the desire to see Trump fail (1 Viewer)

[huthut]

I feel like another "Just asking questions" type of thread with a similar title to this was posted about a year or so ago, and I had a similar answer for that one. It is not a desire to see Trump fail, it is an observation of him failing in the present.

 

[Godsbrother]

It would extremely different. I guess. I wouldn't be here if Bush or Kasich won so wouldn't know. 

How different would it be if Hillary had won?    Would the Trump supporters be criticizing her and would her supporters be accusing them of wanting to see her fail?

 

[sho nuff]

This thread is silly.  For as long as I've been here we have had critics of the current administration complain while their supporters accuse them of wanting to see America fail.   It would be no different if Jeb Bush or John Kasich had won in 2016.   

Well, maybe a little different:  Trump dials up nastiness like no other.

Id disagree...people criticized Obama.  And while there were plenty of back and forth...I don't recall as much of the "why do you want America to fail...or why do you hate America" type stuff.  .

 

[John Blutarsky]

How different would it be if Hillary had won?    Would the Trump supporters be criticizing her and would her supporters be accusing them of wanting to see her fail?

Big difference. Anti Trump people here have said they cut ties with family and friends if they voted for Trump. No one did that for Obama or if Hillary had won. The level of hate is ridiculous.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

It would extremely different. I guess. I wouldn't be here if Bush or Kasich won so wouldn't know. 

How different would it be if Hillary had won?    Would the Trump supporters be criticizing her and would her supporters be accusing them of wanting to see her fail

Considering the continued hatred of her, I would say yes.  Didn't care for her either but again, wouldn't be here. 

 

[sho nuff]

How different would it be if Hillary had won?    Would the Trump supporters be criticizing her and would her supporters be accusing them of wanting to see her fail?

Trump supporters still criticize her and bring her up (oddly as a defense for Trump).

 

[Steve Tasker]

In all seriousness if you try and time the market you’ll fall behind and never be able to catch up. I tried it a couple times when I was younger and you’ll never make it all back. It’s like the old saying that a broken clock is right twice a day. Eventually, yes you’ll be right. But if the market rises 40% over a period of time while you wait for the 20% dip, you’ll never be even with the person who rode it out.  Sure, there is a chance you could time it just right the first time. 

I don't have the exact stats in front of me, but from like 1986 - 2016, if you were invested in the market (S&P 500 I think) every day except for the 10 single largest-gain days, your portfolio would be worth something like 50% less than someone who was in the market every day.  It's an astronomical number that is hard to fathom.  Don't try to time the market.

 

[urbanhack]

Big difference. Anti Trump people here have said they cut ties with family and friends if they voted for Trump. No one did that for Obama or if Hillary had won. The level of hate is ridiculous.

action / reaction

still isn't registering yet?

didn't think so.

 

[John Blutarsky]

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still isn't registering yet?

didn't think so.

Another snarky post from you 

 

[roadkill1292]

Maybe if O had conducted himself as abysmally as Donald does, Obama opponents would have been justified in cutting off friends and family who voted for him.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I wasn’t surprised to see posters here saying it, but from POTUS it’s something else.

“Meanwhile, the Dayton, Ohio, shooter had a history of supporting political figures like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and ANTIFA.” OANN  I hope other news outlets will report this as opposed to Fake News. Thank you!

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1159056155764809729?s=21

A better question is why would you want Trump to succeed? 

 

[KCitons]

A better question is why would you want Trump to succeed? 

Really? 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Really? 

You know what he tweeted isn't true right?   

 

[KCitons]

You know what he tweeted isn't true right?   

You know cutting off your nose won't spite your face, right?

 

[Sheriff Bart]

You know cutting off your nose won't spite your face, right?

I apologize for engaging you and giving you credit for having to understand how dangerous it is for the POTUS to tweet out a lie that a mass murderer was a disciple of his potential presidential adversary. 

ETA

To clean up a bit also to add how insane it is the POTUS did this. Also, also, I can't believe I lack the intelligence to understand some posters don't want to have an honest discussion about anything. 

 

[KCitons]

I apologize for engaging you and giving you credit for having the intelligence to understand how dangerous it is for the POTUS to tweet out a lie that a mass murderer was a disciple of his potential presidential adversary. 

You asked the following question. 

A better question is why would you want Trump to succeed? 

Think about it. Regardless of what is happening, I think everyone would want the President of the United States to succeed. That success would mean that he does the right thing, perhaps changes his rhetoric, does the right thing for the remaining time in office. We can't remove him today, tomorrow, or next week. Since the rest of our elected officials won't move on impeachment we are stuck until Jan 2021. We can hope Trump will succeed in that time. 

I have a feeling that many of you are meeting hate with hate. It won't solve anything. There will be no winners. I said this a long time ago and your post is proof that it's true. You are becoming what you hate. 

 

[FF Ninja]

First, let me be forthcoming ... I don't think that I've ever posted in the politics forum.

I'm very ignorant when it comes to politics and I prefer it that way.  True what they say ... ignorance is bliss.

So, as someone attempting to look at our countries health without bias, seems like we're in a pretty good place ...

I watch the stock market continue to climb, economy is strong, unemployment is low, so tell me why is it so many people want Trump to fail?

Is it his policies that people don't agree with ... or is it that they just don't like him as a person?

If it's his policies ... which ones in particular have you wanting him to fail?  Please be specific.

Explain how you are suffering from having Trump as your president?

Like you, I didn't post here. I went 8,000 posts purely in the SP before I started posting here maybe 6 weeks ago. I'd been fairly apathetic when it came to politics and I'm still that way on many issues that are popular in the press, but I deem them to be minor on a relative scale. To me, corruption is the biggest problem and rooting it out would solve many of our other problems, big and small. A cursory glance at voting patterns can help discern where some of the corruption exists, but blocking of efforts towards election security is about as damning as it gets.

Anyway, on to your main question. I'm not suffering right now, but only a fool would look at what's happening and expect no repercussions. Our federal deficit is exploding and our trade deficit is getting worse. That idiot explicitly lied about this during his campaign. The national debt WILL affect us. So again, we're not suffering now, but it takes an oblivious fool to think this will never come back to bite us. We'll be cutting programs soon to fund interest payments. 

And that's just the deficit. We are currently one of the only countries in the entire world pretending that climate change is a hoax. This is another item that isn't causing us suffering now, but will be a problem later.

Then there are items less easily defined, such as how he's set back our foreign relations and made the US a laughing stock of the world. We elected a cartoon character as our president. Not only is he a failed businessman (SIX bankruptcies including a casino, also lost over a billion in a 10 year period), a draft dodger (the doctor who wrote the bone spurs note lived in donnie's dad's building), a terrible speaker, but he's also the worst perpetrator of fake news in the world... yet his clan eats it up when he calls true stories "fake news." All in all, he's a pretty despicable human being that is somehow representing us on a global level. It's embarrassing and damaging. The guy doesn't even understand how tariffs work. 

So I don't want trump to fail - he's already failing us. His supporters are just not smart enough and/or forward thinking enough to realize it.

As for the current state of the economy, it has little to do with trump. The economy was already trending up after the recession, although it was stymied by oil prices dropping. Oil prices coincidentally jumped up around the time of the election. Since then trump has been spending money like it grows on trees and repealing EPA regulations, which helps our industries at the expense of the environment. So don't conflate a good economy with good policies. A lot of it is luck. 

 

[msommer]

 That success would mean that he does the right thing, perhaps changes his rhetoric, does the right thing for the remaining time in office. 

You realize you are talking about Trump, the follow up sentence proves it.

This is wishcasting. Trump ain't gonna start doing the right thing tomorrow. Or the next day. Trump is convinced he is alteady right and thus sees no reason to change anything.

 

[KCitons]

You realize you are talking about Trump, the follow up sentence proves it.

This is wishcasting. Trump ain't gonna start doing the right thing tomorrow. Or thf next day. Trump is convinced he is alteady right and tjus see no reason to change anything.

And he isn't going anywhere tomorrow or the next day. The best you can hope for is for him to do the right thing. That's why asking the question, "why would anyone want Trump to succeed is a ridiculous statement". 

If he succeeds, we all succeed. 

That's why I felt @Sheriff Bart's statement was ridiculous. 

 

[joffer]

Think about it. Regardless of what is happening, I think everyone would want the President of the United States to succeed. That success would mean that he does the right thing, perhaps changes his rhetoric, does the right thing for the remaining time in office. We can't remove him today, tomorrow, or next week. Since the rest of our elected officials won't move on impeachment we are stuck until Jan 2021. We can hope Trump will succeed in that time. 

I have a feeling that many of you are meeting hate with hate. It won't solve anything. There will be no winners. I said this a long time ago and your post is proof that it's true. You are becoming what you hate. 

i have no idea why you would think this.

i don't want him to succeed on his current path.  i don't want him to be re-elected.  that would mean he didn't succeed.

 

[KCitons]

i have no idea why you would think this.

i don't want him to succeed on his current path.  i don't want him to be re-elected.  that would mean he didn't succeed.

Did I say I wanted him to succeed on his current path?

You bolded the quote in my post. 

That success would mean that he does the right thing, perhaps changes his rhetoric, does the right thing for the remaining time in office.

 

[msommer]

And he isn't going anywhere tomorrow or the next day. The best you can hope for is for him to do the right thing. That's why asking the question, "why would anyone want Trump to succeed is a ridiculous statement". 

If he succeeds, we all succeed. 

That's why I felt @Sheriff Bart's statement was ridiculous. 

A forlorn hope is not for me. Waste of time and energy

 

[Megla]

 Waste of time and energy

and yet here you post

 

[KCitons]

A forlorn hope is not for me. Waste of time and energy

Each time a vote is cast, it's forlorn hope. 

Is Nancy Pelosi doing her job?

Is Mitch McConnell doing his job? 

We can hope they succeed. But, it's not working out that way. 

 

[msommer]

Each time a vote is cast, it's forlorn hope. 

No

 

[KCitons]

No

Yes. 

How many politicians have kept up their end of the agreement. 

I asked if Pelosi and McConnell were keeping up their end of the agreement. But you ignored that part of my post. 

You either answer "yes" and the facts prove you're wrong. Or, you answer "no", in which means that it proves my point. 

There are no guarantees that a politician will follow through on their campaign promises. Even when they break a law, I used to think they would be held accountable. But, that's no longer the case either. So, it's an honor system from here on out. 

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

You know cutting off your nose won't spite your face, right?

This is not correct at all.