hot route - unofficial staff vs. posters (2 Viewers)

[dirtyhalos]

hot route is new dynasty league that features several fbgs staffers...

league site

staffers - sigmund bloom, anthony borbely, aaron rudnicki, jeff pasquino, jene bramel, matt waldman, john norton, bob magaw and dave baker

posters - brian smith (dirtyhalos), carlos rodrigues (comfortably numb), nick chadick (ned), jake bachman (clowndogs), mike lightbown (fruitypebbles), rob gabbard (rgabbard), rodney tethal and doug bell

this is a 16 team idp dynasty start up league, 45 man rosters (in season), with a 3 man taxi squad….

starting offense 1qb/1rb/3wr/1te/1pk and 1rb/te flex

starting defense 1dt/2de/3lbs/2cb/2s and 1dt/lb flex (3-4 vs 4-3 option)

basic scoring ideas…..link to scoring

offensive scoring is yardage based with bumps for big plays and slight bump for te’s, 0.5ppr (rb’s), 1ppr (wr’s), 1.5ppr (te’s)

defensive scoring has slight bumps to help the dt’s

we will be starting the draft the week or so after the nfl draft and it will be a 58 round combined vet/rookie draft

i decided to start the thread now because trades will start asap and there is good strategy discussions that can come from draft pick trades.... we are currently rolling dice to choose draft slots.... highest rolls get first choice on draft position.... divisions set using a 1/8/9/16, 2/7/10/15, 3/6/11/14, 4/5/12/13 format.... current rolls are as follows

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dice roll results

1. Mike Lightbown - 736

2. Anthony Borbely - 617

3. John Norton - 547

4. Nick Chadick - 542

5. Cinnamon Rodrigues - 515

6. Woodshop Bachman - 496

7. Rodney Tethal - 475

8. Baker/Magaw - 466

9. Aaron Rudnicki - 462

10. Sigmund Bloom - 443

11. Brian Smith - 438

12. Jene Bramel - 436

13. Doug Bell - 427

14. Matt Waldman - 420

15. Jeff Pasquino - 379

16. Rob Gabbard - 356

 

[dirtyhalos]

1.01 1. Mike Lightbown

1.02 2. Anthony Borbely

1.03 3. John Norton

1.04 4. Nick Chadick

1.05 5. Caitlyn Rodrigues

1.06 6. Woodshop Bachman

1.07 7. Rodney Tethal

1.08 8. Bob Magaw / Dave Baker

1.09 9. Aaron Rudnicki

1.10 10. Sigmund Bloom

1.11 11. Jene Bramel

1.12 12. Doug Bell

1.13 13. Jeff Pasquino

1.14 14. Brian Smith

1.15 15. Rob Gabbard

1.16 16. Matt Waldman

 

[dirtyhalos]

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* Anthony Borbely gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 6.15

* Sigmund Bloom gave up Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Sigmund Bloom

Thu Mar 4 3:17:59 p.m. ET 2010

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* Mike Lightbown gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 3.01;Year 2010 Draft Pick 6.12;Year 2010 Draft Pick 6.16;Year 2010 Draft Pick 10.16

* Woodshop Bachman gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.11;Year 2010 Draft Pick 5.06;Year 2010 Draft Pick 11.06

Thu Mar 4 2:16:52 p.m. ET 2010

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* Caitlyn Rodrigues gave up Year 2010 Draft Pick 6.12

* Mike Lightbown gave up Year 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Mike Lightbown

Thu Mar 4 2:14:18 p.m. ET 2010

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[Ministry of Pain]

And you posted this why?

Aren't you the same guy that wrecked a team in Hyper2 and bailed after year 1? I thought you told everyone you were too busy for this hobby and now you want to put this up in the Shark Pool to show us what? That you can assemble important people, brag that you're in it, what is the point of this?

And you don't want anyone to post in it either, seems odd.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

MOP going MOP. Please keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle.

 

[dirtyhalos]

And you posted this why?Aren't you the same guy that wrecked a team in Hyper2 and bailed after year 1? I thought you told everyone you were too busy for this hobby and now you want to put this up in the Shark Pool to show us what? That you can assemble important people, brag that you're in it, what is the point of this?And you don't want anyone to post in it either, seems odd.

we had a very successful thread a couple years ago on a similar league (red dog).... discussion of strategies and pick selections proved to be popular, i think this thread will be the same ... if i'm not mistaken the hyper/active leagues have had similar threads that were equally as popular.... if you'd like to discuss hyper, i'd be happy to field a pm on it, if you don't want to follow along with the thread, that's cool

 

[ClownDogs]

And you posted this why?Aren't you the same guy that wrecked a team in Hyper2 and bailed after year 1? I thought you told everyone you were too busy for this hobby and now you want to put this up in the Shark Pool to show us what? That you can assemble important people, brag that you're in it, what is the point of this?And you don't want anyone to post in it either, seems odd.

I was part of the Red Dog draft just like this one, and that thread tallied 1200+posts and 29k views, so if u don't like it, that's cool, but seems like there are a ton of people that do.Thanks and enjoy the show......

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP going MOP. Please keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle.

Good luck everyone, and I'm sure if you ask nicely the staff will be happy to remove the MOP parts of this thread.

 

[thehornet]

look at me

 

[daveR]

And you posted this why?Aren't you the same guy that wrecked a team in Hyper2 and bailed after year 1? I thought you told everyone you were too busy for this hobby and now you want to put this up in the Shark Pool to show us what? That you can assemble important people, brag that you're in it, what is the point of this?And you don't want anyone to post in it either, seems odd.

That's the first thing that came to my mind, too.

 

[comfortably numb]

3 more rolls to go, getting anxious for some trades.

 

[comfortably numb]

And you posted this why?Aren't you the same guy that wrecked a team in Hyper2 and bailed after year 1? I thought you told everyone you were too busy for this hobby and now you want to put this up in the Shark Pool to show us what? That you can assemble important people, brag that you're in it, what is the point of this?And you don't want anyone to post in it either, seems odd.

I was part of the Red Dog draft just like this one, Thanks and enjoy the show......

Oh we will...Are you gonna bring us to a halt again with your #3 overall pick in Sjax2????

 

[fruity pebbles]

Final dice roll results. Draft slots are picked by highest roll first

1. Mike Lightbown - 736

2. Anthony Borbely - 617

3. John Norton - 547

4. Nick Chadick - 542

5. Cinnamon Rodrigues - 515

6. Woodshop Bachman - 496

7. Rodney Tethal - 475

8. Baker/Magaw - 466

9. Aaron Rudnicki - 462

10. Sigmund Bloom - 443

11. Brian Smith - 438

12. Jene Bramel - 436

13. Doug Bell - 427

14. Matt Waldman - 420

15. Jeff Pasquino - 379

16. Rob Gabbard - 356

 

[fruity pebbles]

First pick 1.01. No big surprise. I'll take it for trade value alone. CJ will be a nice consolation prize if i don't get a decent offer.

 

[comfortably numb]

Draft order draft not yet complete, but we have our 1st trade...

I give 6.12

for

2011 1st RD pick Mike L

 

[fruity pebbles]

My first go around in a league with this kind of competition so carlos is banking that i fold lol

 

[comfortably numb]

My first go around in a league with this kind of competition so carlos is banking that i fold lol

One can dream...I am a bit of a sucker for future picks as I do love rooting against a coupe of teams throughout the year, and I must admit I have found myself in the Red Dog playoffs each year, and having a few early picks the following year.So I am following the same strategy.I am just gonna pretend my 6.12 pick was arrested for fighting with Epic Bearded Man on a bus, and will be suspended for the 2010 season.So I will have to do without him for the year.Every top team has a big miss or 2 in the 1st 6 RD's...This is how I am comforting myself anyway....BEAT MIKE!!!!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

My first go around in a league with this kind of competition so carlos is banking that i fold lol

One can dream...I am a bit of a sucker for future picks as I do love rooting against a coupe of teams throughout the year, and I must admit I have found myself in the Red Dog playoffs each year, and having a few early picks the following year.

So I am following the same strategy.

I am just gonna pretend my 6.12 pick was arrested for fighting with Epic Bearded Man on a bus, and will be suspended for the 2010 season.

So I will have to do without him for the year.

Every top team has a big miss or 2 in the 1st 6 RD's...

Since you don't have your 6th, that means 2 or 3 big misses for you.

 

[Ned]

My first go around in a league with this kind of competition so carlos is banking that i fold lol

One can dream...I am a bit of a sucker for future picks as I do love rooting against a coupe of teams throughout the year, and I must admit I have found myself in the Red Dog playoffs each year, and having a few early picks the following year.

So I am following the same strategy.

I am just gonna pretend my 6.12 pick was arrested for fighting with Epic Bearded Man on a bus, and will be suspended for the 2010 season.

So I will have to do without him for the year.

Every top team has a big miss or 2 in the 1st 6 RD's...

Since you don't have your 6th, that means 2 or 3 big misses for you.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I will comment some on my strategies, trades and picks, but not in as great a detail as I normally would because I am writing a case study article on a full IDP startup league. I am literally going to go pick by pick and trade by trade in the article and will include both a reason for the individual pick and at that same point I will comment on strategies as we go further into the draft. This will include some changes in strategies that happen after picks or trades, along with reasons for the changes. I wrote a similar article on a case study of a full IDP dynasty league, but for rebuilding a really bad team and the article was really long and detailed. I got a lot of positive feedback on it and also requests to do a case study on a startup. But I will still have some comments in this thread about picks and trades, just with limited details.

I will add that I have played with all but 3 of the owners in this league and I know this will easily be the most challenging dynasty league I have ever played in.

 

[Ned]

I will comment some on my strategies, trades and picks, but not in as great a detail as I normally would because I am writing a case study article on a full IDP startup league. I am literally going to go pick by pick and trade by trade in the article and will include both a reason for the individual pick and at that same point I will comment on strategies as we go further into the draft. This will include some changes in strategies that happen after picks or trades, along with reasons for the changes. I wrote a similar article on a case study of a full IDP dynasty league, but for rebuilding a really bad team and the article was really long and detailed. I got a lot of positive feedback on it and also requests to do a case study on a startup. But I will still have some comments in this thread about picks and trades, just with limited details. I will add that I have played with all but 3 of the owners in this league and I know this will easily be the most challenging dynasty league I have ever played in.

I look forward to being referenced as the GOAT in your case study.

 

[buck56]

Just saw the thread, love competeing w/ staffers, ecspecialy IDP!

If you guys have someone drop out, I would love a spot.

 

[dirtyhalos]

i just selected 1.14 in the draft slot draft..... i did my tiers at each position on what i would like to build around and i ended up with 18 total.... i'll go ahead and take #14 and then hope one falls to #19 (2.03).... i don't really like where it puts my 3rd round pick as i know that upper 3rd round is going to have some steals at wr.... even if i took the 1.11 slot i think i'd be out of that range anyways.... we're waiting on jene to select his slot....

1.11 and 1.14 coincidentally put me in same division either way

Draft Slots

1.01 - Mike Lightbown

1.02 - Anthony Borbely

1.03 - John Norton

1.04 - Nick Chadick

1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues

1.06 - Jake Bachman

1.07 - Rodney Tethal

1.08 - Magaw / Baker

1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki

1.10 - Sigmund Bloom

1.11 -

1.12 -

1.13 -

1.14 - Brian Smith

1.15 -

1.16 -

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hmmmm. I just so happen to know where you can trade up for an early 3rd, 3.01 to be exact.

 

[comfortably numb]

Trade #2

Bloom's 2011 first to Tony for 6.15

 

[Bob Magaw]

i just selected 1.14 in the draft slot draft..... i did my tiers at each position on what i would like to build around and i ended up with 18 total.... i'll go ahead and take #14 and then hope one falls to #19 (2.03).... i don't really like where it puts my 3rd round pick as i know that upper 3rd round is going to have some steals at wr.... even if i took the 1.11 slot i think i'd be out of that range anyways.... we're waiting on jene to select his slot....1.11 and 1.14 coincidentally put me in same division either wayDraft Slots1.01 - Mike Lightbown1.02 - Anthony Borbely1.03 - John Norton1.04 - Nick Chadick1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues1.06 - Jake Bachman1.07 - Rodney Tethal1.08 - Magaw / Baker1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki1.10 - Sigmund Bloom1.11 -1.12 -1.13 -1.14 - Brian Smith1.15 -1.16 -

we have a murderer's row of bloom & rudnicki (& maybe jene) picking right before us in rounds 2... 4... etc.we will probably be muttering DOH! & OOF under our breath in the even rounds throughout the draft!

 

[Jene Bramel]

i just selected 1.14 in the draft slot draft..... i did my tiers at each position on what i would like to build around and i ended up with 18 total.... i'll go ahead and take #14 and then hope one falls to #19 (2.03).... i don't really like where it puts my 3rd round pick as i know that upper 3rd round is going to have some steals at wr.... even if i took the 1.11 slot i think i'd be out of that range anyways.... we're waiting on jene to select his slot....1.11 and 1.14 coincidentally put me in same division either wayDraft Slots1.01 - Mike Lightbown1.02 - Anthony Borbely1.03 - John Norton1.04 - Nick Chadick1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues1.06 - Jake Bachman1.07 - Rodney Tethal1.08 - Magaw / Baker1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki1.10 - Sigmund Bloom1.11 -1.12 -1.13 -1.14 - Brian Smith1.15 -1.16 -

we have a murderer's row of bloom & rudnicki (& maybe jene) picking right before us in rounds 2... 4... etc.we will probably be muttering DOH! & OOF under our breath in the even rounds throughout the draft!

I'm in with the 11 pick.Not much strategy here other than not wanting to be on an end in a 16 team league, especially with this group.

 

[Bob Magaw]

i just selected 1.14 in the draft slot draft..... i did my tiers at each position on what i would like to build around and i ended up with 18 total.... i'll go ahead and take #14 and then hope one falls to #19 (2.03).... i don't really like where it puts my 3rd round pick as i know that upper 3rd round is going to have some steals at wr.... even if i took the 1.11 slot i think i'd be out of that range anyways.... we're waiting on jene to select his slot....1.11 and 1.14 coincidentally put me in same division either wayDraft Slots1.01 - Mike Lightbown1.02 - Anthony Borbely1.03 - John Norton1.04 - Nick Chadick1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues1.06 - Jake Bachman1.07 - Rodney Tethal1.08 - Magaw / Baker1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki1.10 - Sigmund Bloom1.11 -1.12 -1.13 -1.14 - Brian Smith1.15 -1.16 -

maybe from a trade value standpoint... higher the 2-4-6, lower the 1-3-5... taking the lower 2-4-6 gives higher 1-3-5... high value slot in a higher round (relatively) seemingly worth more than one from a lower round (first 10 filled up pretty fast, but that could speak to the top of the first round being most coveted of all, where there could be the most separation and trade value of all)... this is more relevant in first few rounds... at a certain point, separation gets kind of squashed, and relative value is pretty close... within positions (interpositionally, between position, still a lot of value separation... top CB probable not worth a much lower ranked WR)...

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Trade #2Bloom's 2011 first to Tony for 6.15

I roughly went through the top 100 or so and wasn't excited enough by what I saw to let this opportunity pass. Had I waited, someone else may have made the deal. I think long-term I can do more with this pick. I will have more to say about this as the draft unfolds. Also, Bloom is in my division in year one and after he gets the Borbely beatdown twice, his pick will be a bit higher.

 

[Ned]

Well this didn't take long...

Do Not Trade List

1. Woodshop Bachman - Sends offers and pulls the rug out from under you. <_<

 

[ClownDogs]

Well this didn't take long...

Do Not Trade List

1. Woodshop Bachman - Sends offers and pulls the rug out from under you.

That is what happens when u get greedy and try to flip it before accepting it, gave me time to realize i was a moran!

 

[shake zula]

 

[Anthony Borbely]

we have a murderer's row of bloom & rudnicki (& maybe jene) picking right before us in rounds 2... 4... etc.we will probably be muttering DOH! & OOF under our breath in the even rounds throughout the draft!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

i just selected 1.14 in the draft slot draft..... i did my tiers at each position on what i would like to build around and i ended up with 18 total.... i'll go ahead and take #14 and then hope one falls to #19 (2.03).... i don't really like where it puts my 3rd round pick as i know that upper 3rd round is going to have some steals at wr.... even if i took the 1.11 slot i think i'd be out of that range anyways.... we're waiting on jene to select his slot....1.11 and 1.14 coincidentally put me in same division either wayDraft Slots1.01 - Mike Lightbown1.02 - Anthony Borbely1.03 - John Norton1.04 - Nick Chadick1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues1.06 - Jake Bachman1.07 - Rodney Tethal1.08 - Magaw / Baker1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki1.10 - Sigmund Bloom1.11 -1.12 -1.13 -1.14 - Brian Smith1.15 -1.16 -

we have a murderer's row of bloom & rudnicki (& maybe jene) picking right before us in rounds 2... 4... etc.we will probably be muttering DOH! & OOF under our breath in the even rounds throughout the draft!

I'm in with the 11 pick.Not much strategy here other than not wanting to be on an end in a 16 team league, especially with this group.

I draft near the turn (2nd) and it is going to be brutal waiting 28 picks. Of course, I will occasionally try to trade out of some of these spots to avoid the long wait, but there will be a lot of hopeless feelings when a run starts right after my pick.

 

[dirtyhalos]

Draft Slots

1.01 - Mike Lightbown

1.02 - Anthony Borbely

1.03 - John Norton

1.04 - Nick Chadick

1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues

1.06 - Jake Bachman

1.07 - Rodney Tethal

1.08 - Magaw / Baker

1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki

1.10 - Sigmund Bloom

1.11 - Jene Bramel

1.12 - Doug Bell

1.13 -

1.14 - Brian Smith

1.15 -

1.16 - Matt Waldman

Division 1

1.01 - Mike Lightbown

1.08 - Magaw / Baker

1.09 - Aaron Rudnicki

1.16 - Matt Waldman

Division 2

1.02 - Anthony Borbely

1.07 - Rodney Tethal

1.10 - Sigmund Bloom

1.15 -

Division 3

1.03 - John Norton

1.06 - Jake Bachman

1.11 - Jene Bramel

1.14 - Brian Smith

Division 4

1.04 - Nick Chadick

1.05 - Cynthia Rodrigues

1.12 - Doug Bell

1.13 -

waldman falls out of line as well and takes the turn instead of 1.13

 

[Matt Waldman]

I like the end piece

 

[PitbullTD]

« Next Oldest · The Shark Pool (NFL Talk) · Next Newest »

???? So we are allowed to post FF league related stuff in SP now? Or only special staff related shtuff?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

« Next Oldest · The Shark Pool (NFL Talk) · Next Newest »

???? So we are allowed to post FF league related stuff in SP now? Or only special staff related shtuff?

As a staffer, one thing I always hear from members (and I'm sure other staffers do as well) is that they want to see how I implement my strategies and rankings into a draft or into managing a team. Since we put our rankings out there for everyone to see, a league with 8 staffers in it is very relevant to Footballguys. It tells everyone how we draft, how we value players, how we tier players, how we determine whether to trade up or back (and the reasons), how we value one position versus another, and practically everything related to rankings and strategy. Joe and David always tell us we can rank however we please, but we have to be prepared to explain any outliers or rankings that may not make sense to everyone. A thread like this does all of the above and is very beneficial to Footballguys. Members want to see this stuff for themselves and this thread gives everyone that opportunity. Also, for those of us (like myself) who will be posting some comments here, it gives members the chance to ask questions about specific things we do...and a lot of it can be seen just by looking at the draft and trades with no comments from the staffer. In general, the above is why this thread can remain here. Unfortunately, there is no way we could allow all leagues to do this because we would literally be wall to wall with league threads and it would make it tough to navigate to the other topics we have that everyone wants to see. Hope that helped.

 

[ClownDogs]

FINALLY. Got a deal done with Mike Lightbrown.

I give 2.11, 5.06 and 11.06

I get 3.01, 6.12, 6.16 and 10.16.

My thinking: I will get my guy at 3.01 that i wanted at 2.11, so not a major drop for me at all. And to deal 5.06 to get 6.12/6.16 and a round bump into the 10th, seemed like a no brainer for me.

I like approx. 5 rounds worth of guys, maybe a tad more, so losing that 5th hurt a little, BUT i think with the IDP and players I don't care for that will be taken before the 6.12/6.16 picks, i will still be able to get guys that i like from the 5th.

 

[fruity pebbles]

FINALLY. Got a deal done with Mike Lightbrown.I give 2.11, 5.06 and 11.06 I get 3.01, 6.12, 6.16 and 10.16.My thinking: I will get my guy at 3.01 that i wanted at 2.11, so not a major drop for me at all. And to deal 5.06 to get 6.12/6.16 and a round bump into the 10th, seemed like a no brainer for me.I like approx. 5 rounds worth of guys, maybe a tad more, so losing that 5th hurt a little, BUT i think with the IDP and players I don't care for that will be taken before the 6.12/6.16 picks, i will still be able to get guys that i like from the 5th.

I didn't like having picks 2.16 and 3.01. With the way i had my board set up i could envision only liking one player there. So wanted to move up a bit and the 2.11 fit the bill. Like the players available at the top of the 5th a lot better than those at the end of the 6th with the Def sharks in this league. In a regular league i prolly would have stayed pat but i think the top def guys go earlier than late 6th/early 7th.

 

[The Real Yoda]

 

[PitbullTD]

« Next Oldest · The Shark Pool (NFL Talk) · Next Newest »

???? So we are allowed to post FF league related stuff in SP now? Or only special staff related shtuff?

As a staffer, one thing I always hear from members (and I'm sure other staffers do as well) is that they want to see how I implement my strategies and rankings into a draft or into managing a team. Since we put our rankings out there for everyone to see, a league with 8 staffers in it is very relevant to Footballguys. It tells everyone how we draft, how we value players, how we tier players, how we determine whether to trade up or back (and the reasons), how we value one position versus another, and practically everything related to rankings and strategy. Joe and David always tell us we can rank however we please, but we have to be prepared to explain any outliers or rankings that may not make sense to everyone. A thread like this does all of the above and is very beneficial to Footballguys. Members want to see this stuff for themselves and this thread gives everyone that opportunity. Also, for those of us (like myself) who will be posting some comments here, it gives members the chance to ask questions about specific things we do...and a lot of it can be seen just by looking at the draft and trades with no comments from the staffer. In general, the above is why this thread can remain here. Unfortunately, there is no way we could allow all leagues to do this because we would literally be wall to wall with league threads and it would make it tough to navigate to the other topics we have that everyone wants to see. Hope that helped.

 

[comfortably numb]

And a big one goes dowm

I give

1.5

14.12

17.05

for

2.10

3.07

2011 1st

I hate losing 1.5, and not picking until 2.10, but

for now

2.10

2.12

3.05

3.07

4.12

5.05

and (3) 2011 1sts should get me solid players and good ammo of future pics

 

[Maggot Brain]

« Next Oldest · The Shark Pool (NFL Talk) · Next Newest »

???? So we are allowed to post FF league related stuff in SP now? Or only special staff related shtuff?

As a staffer, one thing I always hear from members (and I'm sure other staffers do as well) is that they want to see how I implement my strategies and rankings into a draft or into managing a team. Since we put our rankings out there for everyone to see, a league with 8 staffers in it is very relevant to Footballguys. It tells everyone how we draft, how we value players, how we tier players, how we determine whether to trade up or back (and the reasons), how we value one position versus another, and practically everything related to rankings and strategy. Joe and David always tell us we can rank however we please, but we have to be prepared to explain any outliers or rankings that may not make sense to everyone. A thread like this does all of the above and is very beneficial to Footballguys. Members want to see this stuff for themselves and this thread gives everyone that opportunity. Also, for those of us (like myself) who will be posting some comments here, it gives members the chance to ask questions about specific things we do...and a lot of it can be seen just by looking at the draft and trades with no comments from the staffer. In general, the above is why this thread can remain here. Unfortunately, there is no way we could allow all leagues to do this because we would literally be wall to wall with league threads and it would make it tough to navigate to the other topics we have that everyone wants to see. Hope that helped.

Wow!! OUTSTANDING reply...and why most of us this site. Carry on, gentlemen

 

[r0llin_game]

 

[pretender]

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Trade #2Bloom's 2011 first to Tony for 6.15

I roughly went through the top 100 or so and wasn't excited enough by what I saw to let this opportunity pass. Had I waited, someone else may have made the deal. I think long-term I can do more with this pick. I will have more to say about this as the draft unfolds.

I'm going to comment further on my above trade probably later tonight or tomorrow. Just quoting this so I don't forget about it again.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Trade #2Bloom's 2011 first to Tony for 6.15

I roughly went through the top 100 or so and wasn't excited enough by what I saw to let this opportunity pass. Had I waited, someone else may have made the deal. I think long-term I can do more with this pick. I will have more to say about this as the draft unfolds.

I'm going to comment further on my above trade probably later tonight or tomorrow. Just quoting this so I don't forget about it again.

Regarding my above trade with Bloom (I traded pick 6.15 to Bloom for his 2011 first), I am going to make a general comment on what I think is a very important strategy regarding a pre-draft trade in a startup dynasty draft. I am going to make up a hypothetical trade offer and explain what I think needs to be done before considering a trade. I will use my draft spot as an example (picks 1.02, 2.15, 3.02, 4.15, 5.02, 6.15, 7.02). Before giving the example, when you are in a startup dynasty league and it is deep as this one, you need to rank a pretty high number of players. We have 16 teams and a 53 round draft, meaning there are 848 players being drafted. That is a lot of players. I generally don't rank all those players right away. In fact, our dynasty rankings at FBGs has us ranking 60 QBs, 60 RBs, 75 WRs, 35 TEs, 60 DL, 60 LB, and 60 DB for a total of 410 players. We go much deeper in this league, double the players I have ranked. In a comparable league to this that drafted a few years ago, 50 round draft (800 players), they drafted 95 RBs and other positions were deep like this as well. I will usually rank my RBs and WRs deep from the start, but other positions, I won't usually go beyond my FBG rankings until we get closer to the end of my rankings with regards to players being drafted. Ranking AND tiering by position is critical in my opinion. I generally do not do overall rankings because I do that as I go and things change fast anyways. The following is not an offer that I have discussed, but I'm going to use this hypothetical example to make my point. Let's assume the owner with pick 3.08 (40th overall) wants to move up to my 3.02 (34th overall) and makes me an offer. The first thing that I have to do is look at my tiers and see the types of players that will be available at pick 34 and pick 40. The main thing you want to see is how big of a difference there could be in the player at 34 compared to the player at 40. I am looking at this from 2 viewpoints: The players I have in my tiers and also the players I THINK will be taken. If I think the players available at pick 34 are not much different than the players at 40 (basically they are in the same tier), then I am going to want to trade back if the offer is good. If not, then I will not want to trade back unless the offer is significant. I do not want to drop into the next tier, I want to drop within a tier. Now there are multiple positions (QB, RB, etc) and comparing tiers is not easy, but I think you have to look at your positional list on paper and see the players you would be able to take at pick 34 and 40 and if you don't think the difference is big, then try to move back. In the early rounds, a 6 pick drop can be huge, but it depends on your rankings/tiers as well as the part of the draft where you will be dropping from. Basically, the point is to have your rankings ready and tiered. They don't have to be exact (aka 1,2,3,4,5, but they should show, for example, QB1 though QB5 in tier 1, QB 6 to QB 9 in tier 2, etc. Regarding my specific trade of pick 6.16 for a 2011 first, I will give a general idea of why I did it, but I don't want to give too much details because I want to protect some of my strategy until the 6.16 is taken, then I will comment in this thread in more detail (assuming I remember to). Basically, I looked at the players I would want in the late 6th round and none of them really excited me. Obviously, some players will drop that I would probably want, but I think players in that part of the draft (this specific year) are not as valuable long-term as the 2011 rookie first will be. I will take a small hit this year, but I think long-term I will benefit and it will be a fairly significant benefit. There are many strategies to startup drafts and in fact, other owners have already made similar trades to the one Bloom and I made. Some owners think like me and some think like Bloom. Neither way is right or wrong; it depends on the owners philosophy and also his rankings and tiers. For me, I think I will get at worst a player with that future rookie pick that will be as good as the player I could draft in the late 6th this year, but the potential to draft a stud made me do the deal. I also know that I can trade this pick next year for a player at least as good as most of the players in this part of the draft and possibly better. First round rookie picks have great value right before the draft and owners get hyped up about certain players and many (including me) will overpay for a chance at a player we like. That happens all the time and it's completely normal. Basically, I think this is at worst a tie for me and likely a win, based on my long-term strategy for startup dynasty leagues. Obviously, Bloom feels the same way about his end of the deal. Like I said, we are both right (in our minds) and we both think we got the better end of the deal (or we both got what we wanted out of the deal).The important point is to have your rankings and tiers done before trading in rounds that are part of the trade. In my case, I needed 6 rounds of players ranked and tiered (or thereabouts), which is 96 players. Try to not drop into a lower tier if moving down and if moving up, you don't want to trade up unless you are moving into a higher tier. If your ranking were only 60 to 70 players deep, you could not make this trade unless you want to guess and that is not the correct thing to do.

 

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Mike Lightbown gave up:

Year 2010 Draft Pick 2.16

Year 2010 Draft Pick 8.16

Year 2010 Draft Pick 11.06

Rodney Tethal gave up:

Year 2010 Draft Pick 4.14

Year 2010 Draft Pick 5.07

Year 2010 Draft Pick 7.07

Was purely a value deal for me. I really didn't want to move that far back from the 2.16 but i couldn't pass up the value the trade offered me. With two 4ths and three 5ths i think i have a lot of flexibility once the draft starts to move pretty much where ever i want from the 3rd round on.