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Yea, that's going to be pretty bad if it happens. Can't imagine being too excited for the 2010 season if the Yanks keep piling on the big names.If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
Why? They would be trading prospects for him. Why is it ok that the Sox, Mets, or Angels trade for him but not the Yankees?If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
Baseball and hubris have a funny way of working things out. I'd enjoy watching the Yankees add more stars and then crash and burn in 2010. I can see how this would be more disheartening for people supporting their AL East rivals. The NL West is about as far removed as you can get and still be in the majors.Yea, that's going to be pretty bad if it happens. Can't imagine being too excited for the 2010 season if the Yanks keep piling on the big names.If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
The Cubs will end up paying $1M of the $2.7M Miles will make in 2010. At $1.7M, Miles isn't bad value, his 2009 numbers notwithstanding. Fox is too old to be a prospect and doesn't walk enough to be a Moneyball type but he's low risk, high reward. No matter how this one works out, Billy Beane is smarter than Jim Hendry.Wonderful move by Hendry to make up for one of his big mistakes last year. This move was obviously more about getting rid of Miles than anything else. Fox will probably make a good part time DH but don't expect him to play in the field much or to hit well enough to be a legit upper division DH. They didn't get much back as would be expected. Jeff Gray is probably a bullpen call up in case of injury type guy. Ronny Morla had impressive K/BB/HR numbers at 21 in SS ball but he seems a longshot at best to make the majors.A's add Jake Fox for prospects.
Because they Yanks already spend 80M per year more than those other teams. They're fielding an all star team.
Jeff the gas station attendant>Feliz
I haven't seen the alleged report, but on Mike&Mike this morning they said 5 of the 7 most profitable baseball teams are in the bottom 10 in payroll. This article touches on it but I don't think the five teams in that article are the five team in question. Regardless, it's amazing to me that a team like the Pirates one of the worst franchises in sports in terms of product on the field, makes so much money.Because they Yanks already spend 80M per year more than those other teams. They're fielding an all star team.Why? They would be trading prospects for him. Why is it ok that the Sox, Mets, or Angels trade for him but not the Yankees?If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
No argument there. Even if the Cubs were paying all of Miles's salary, it is a good move since he doesn't have a role on this team. Baker and Fontenot already can't play shortstop and are questionable at the plate. The Cubs are hoping that Starlin Castro proves capable of being the starting shortstop so they can move Theriot to second but still have him as a backup shortstop. If Castro stays in the minors as should be expected, Andres Blanco has to be on the team as the 2nd shortstop and that is not good. Fox didn't have a role on this team and belongs in the AL. The A's basically gave up a quadruple A reliever and more prospects with little to no upside so there should be little downside here for either team.The Cubs will end up paying $1M of the $2.7M Miles will make in 2010. At $1.7M, Miles isn't bad value, his 2009 numbers notwithstanding. Fox is too old to be a prospect and doesn't walk enough to be a Moneyball type but he's low risk, high reward. No matter how this one works out, Billy Beane is smarter than Jim Hendry.Wonderful move by Hendry to make up for one of his big mistakes last year. This move was obviously more about getting rid of Miles than anything else. Fox will probably make a good part time DH but don't expect him to play in the field much or to hit well enough to be a legit upper division DH. They didn't get much back as would be expected. Jeff Gray is probably a bullpen call up in case of injury type guy. Ronny Morla had impressive K/BB/HR numbers at 21 in SS ball but he seems a longshot at best to make the majors.A's add Jake Fox for prospects.
So they shouldn't be allowed anymore transactions?Clifton said:Because they Yanks already spend 80M per year more than those other teams. They're fielding an all star team.shadyridr said:Why? They would be trading prospects for him. Why is it ok that the Sox, Mets, or Angels trade for him but not the Yankees?Northern Voice said:If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
good local perspectiveboubucarow said:No argument there. Even if the Cubs were paying all of Miles's salary, it is a good move since he doesn't have a role on this team. Baker and Fontenot already can't play shortstop and are questionable at the plate. The Cubs are hoping that Starlin Castro proves capable of being the starting shortstop so they can move Theriot to second but still have him as a backup shortstop. If Castro stays in the minors as should be expected, Andres Blanco has to be on the team as the 2nd shortstop and that is not good. Fox didn't have a role on this team and belongs in the AL. The A's basically gave up a quadruple A reliever and more prospects with little to no upside so there should be little downside here for either team.Eephus said:The Cubs will end up paying $1M of the $2.7M Miles will make in 2010. At $1.7M, Miles isn't bad value, his 2009 numbers notwithstanding. Fox is too old to be a prospect and doesn't walk enough to be a Moneyball type but he's low risk, high reward. No matter how this one works out, Billy Beane is smarter than Jim Hendry.boubucarow said:Wonderful move by Hendry to make up for one of his big mistakes last year. This move was obviously more about getting rid of Miles than anything else. Fox will probably make a good part time DH but don't expect him to play in the field much or to hit well enough to be a legit upper division DH. They didn't get much back as would be expected. Jeff Gray is probably a bullpen call up in case of injury type guy. Ronny Morla had impressive K/BB/HR numbers at 21 in SS ball but he seems a longshot at best to make the majors.Kenneth Cosgrove said:A's add Jake Fox for prospects.
and Milton Bradley is smarter than both Beane and Hendry
C'mon Cappy you've got to be joking with this, right? After all of your "Lol Yanks can't win, can't buy a championship, all of their big-ticket free agents blow up in their faces, management has no clue hahaha"...I can't see how you can make the prior statement with a straight face.Capella said:Yea, that's going to be pretty bad if it happens. Can't imagine being too excited for the 2010 season if the Yanks keep piling on the big names.Northern Voice said:If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
If you dont believe the Yanks are one of the most profitable teams in baseball, Ive got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Several teams hide their profit through their tv channel or various other entities, but the claim a team like the Yankees lose money is absurd.Doctor Detroit said:I haven't seen the alleged report, but on Mike&Mike this morning they said 5 of the 7 most profitable baseball teams are in the bottom 10 in payroll. This article touches on it but I don't think the five teams in that article are the five team in question. Regardless, it's amazing to me that a team like the Pirates one of the worst franchises in sports in terms of product on the field, makes so much money.Clifton said:Because they Yanks already spend 80M per year more than those other teams. They're fielding an all star team.shadyridr said:Why? They would be trading prospects for him. Why is it ok that the Sox, Mets, or Angels trade for him but not the Yankees?Northern Voice said:If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
Prospects IMO aren't nearly as important to a team like the Yankees as they are to almost any other team. Most teams need good prospects to keep costs down. A team like the Yankees doesn't have to worry too much about costs, so having prospects is a luxury, not a necessity. For example, the Phillies last year refused to trade certain prospects because they knew in a year or two, they would need them to keep their costs low when some of their big ticket players will become FAs and they may have to put out huge amounts of money to retain them. If they had the ability to spend 200M on payroll, I have no doubt that Roy Halladay would have been pitching for them because they wouldn't have to worry about 2 years from now, they would just open up the checkbook. The Yankees are good for baseball TV ratings because people will tune in to see if they will lose (David v. Goliath), but they're bad for baseball because it's hard to build fan bases for teams who realistically have no shot at winning on a consistent basis, so it turns off large segments of potentially new fans. I don't think a salary cap is the answer though, at least not with guarenteed contracts.shadyridr said:Why? They would be trading prospects for him. Why is it ok that the Sox, Mets, or Angels trade for him but not the Yankees?Northern Voice said:If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
The Sox way overpaid for Scutaro. Minimum two years for a total of $10 million with a $1 million signing bonus plus a $1.5 million buy out after the second year. So they are on the hook for a minimum of $12.5 million for two years. The third year is a team option for $6 million or a player option for $3 million. I guess when you play with Monopoloy money it really doesn't matter, but between Scutaro and what they have to pay for Lugo they are devoting $15 million this year for the SS position.
Polanco just got 18 million for 3 years.Getting Scutaro for 6 million a year, for 2 years seems just about right.
It's the kind of move that big payroll teams can do. If Scutaro bombs out, he becomes an overpriced utilityman and Boston can buy another SS next year. Smaller market teams just can't eat the contract.
Polanco = .303/.348/.414./761 with 2 Gold GlovesScutaro = .265/.337/.384/.721 and as far as I can tell is an average fielderGiven that the Sox have had no luck but spent a lot on SS the last few years, I'm not sure Scutaro is worth the money (as he could very well be another candidate of getting traded and having the Sox eat some of his contract if he does nothing).
Fielding Bible has Scutaro as +16 in 2009, and +12 in 2008. He is not an average fielder.I like Polanco, and he is indeed an excellent fielder, but his past three years OPS+ have gone 121, 101, 88. As a 2B or SS, that's not nearly as bad as a 3B (where he will be playing for PHI).
Keep trying Boston.
Re: Scutaro. Fielding stats can be deceiving, especially for a guy like him who's moved around a lot. Last year was his first year as a full time SS, which is very unusual for a 33 year old. I can't think of another case where a 30+ year old utilityman had a career year playing the most challenging position in the field.Scutaro and Polanco are pretty similar. Versatility is a significant part of the package that they bring to their new clubs. I don't think either is necessarily a bad signing for a perennial contender who can afford the risk if they hit the wall.
Incredible, in depth analysis here.Scutaro?????
Keep trying Boston.
Sox would have been better off with Figgins at $9 million a year over Scutaro for almost $6.5. Sure, they'd still need a SS, but he'd be a better option than old man Lowell.the moops said:
Figgins is a great bargain at 4/36. My guess is the Sox want Beltre for 3rd. There has to be some team that will take Lowell to play 3B or to DH if the Sox pay 1/2 his salary.
Polanco has played 3B before. I don't think his glove is the question, it's whether he brings enough offense to a traditional power slot in the lineup. Of course, the Phillies have the luxury of having of getting 50 HRs from their MI positions so it's less of an issue for them than for almost any other team.
Thing is, Scutaro's a bum.
Except Gonzalez signed for $2.75 million for this year with the Jays with a $2.5 million option for next year. Why give Scutaro more than double the money? I realize his bat is a little better than Gonzalez.I also understand the Sox are looking for a stop gap until the guy they have in the minors is ready, but I personally don't see Scutaro as being a great investment (even with few options out there).
Alex Gonzalez is an average defensive SS (great hands, decent arm, below average range) and an abysmal offensive player.I am not a huge Scutaro fan, but he is the best of what is out there. It is a reasonable contract, only 2 years in length, and it in no way hampers the Sox financially. His versatility only adds to the value.
yeah, my bad, I misread Gonzalez's contract, thought it was $5.375 mil for next year, when it was that amount for 2009.But again, point on Scuturo was there is not much else out there for free agent SS's, so sometimes you have to hold your nose and give the guy close to what he is looking for. I already am on record on the Red Sox off season thread that I dislike Scuturo, but I guess if I had a choice between him or what's left, he's about the best option left out there.....UNLESS as Kraft pointed out that Pedroia was serious about moving over to SS. I wouldn't have minded O-Dog or even Polanco at 2B for 2 years at $6mil per year. I don't really want Uggla - although he probably could have a chance at huge offensive numbers in Fenway and in a good offense with guys on base a lot.I dunno, what's done is done.
Mediocre moves don't need very much analysis.the moops said:Incredible, in depth analysis here.Scutaro?????
C'mon Cappy you've got to be joking with this, right? After all of your "Lol Yanks can't win, can't buy a championship, all of their big-ticket free agents blow up in their faces, management has no clue hahaha"...I can't see how you can make the prior statement with a straight face.Yea, that's going to be pretty bad if it happens. Can't imagine being too excited for the 2010 season if the Yanks keep piling on the big names.If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
I was wrong. The 2009 Yankees clearly proved that money can in fact buy a championship.
Yea, 5 picks in the top-75 now. Shaping up to be a good draft for the Rays.
I thought the Marlins proved that in 97C'mon Cappy you've got to be joking with this, right? After all of your "Lol Yanks can't win, can't buy a championship, all of their big-ticket free agents blow up in their faces, management has no clue hahaha"...I can't see how you can make the prior statement with a straight face.Yea, that's going to be pretty bad if it happens. Can't imagine being too excited for the 2010 season if the Yanks keep piling on the big names.If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
I was wrong. The 2009 Yankees clearly proved that money can in fact buy a championship.
Losing Beltre isn't going to upgrade the M's on defense regardless of who they get in return. Well, unless it's Evan Longoria, but that isn't going to happen.The Mariners should be looking at a high risk/high upside starter like Harden or Sheets now, imo. If they re-sign Branyan and add Harden to what they've got, I would really not want to play this team in the first round. Now can they please, please, please sign Felix for longer than they're willing to sign any other pitcher for? Please?the moops said:
Can you imagine if this team had drafted Lincecum instead of Brandon Morrow?Then they wouldn't have had to trade Adam Jones for Erik Bedard.
He is a nice stop gap until Jose Iglesias developes.
Where did I say the Yankees weren't one of the most profitable teams? I think it's common knowledge the Yankees are the most profitable team, I was just adding that the rest of the top ten might surprise some people.If you dont believe the Yanks are one of the most profitable teams in baseball, Ive got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Several teams hide their profit through their tv channel or various other entities, but the claim a team like the Yankees lose money is absurd.I haven't seen the alleged report, but on Mike&Mike this morning they said 5 of the 7 most profitable baseball teams are in the bottom 10 in payroll. This article touches on it but I don't think the five teams in that article are the five team in question. Regardless, it's amazing to me that a team like the Pirates one of the worst franchises in sports in terms of product on the field, makes so much money.Because they Yanks already spend 80M per year more than those other teams. They're fielding an all star team.Why? They would be trading prospects for him. Why is it ok that the Sox, Mets, or Angels trade for him but not the Yankees?If Halladay become a Yankee, I will probably quit following this league until there's some sort of salary cap/realignment
Its common knowledge the Yankees generate the most revenue, but they also reported a $30+ million loss in 2008. Thats because they allocate money between various corporations, but the entire venture did not lose money. My point is that those lists are fairly worthless. Owners hide money in various ways partly to screw with the union and partly for tax purposes.
While Polanco is indeed better than Feliz, this sort of analysis is beyond ridiculous
