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Houston Texans 2013 In-season thread (1 Viewer)

Greg Russell said:
Hopefully whoever are GM and coach will be good at talent evaluation, so I'd want them to stay true to whatever they think. If they think Bridgewater is only marginally better than a QB they think slides to the 2nd round, then I don't have a problem with Clowney/Barr/LT and then a QB in the 2nd.

But if they do think there's some separation and there's a future franchise QB to be had, definitely take him.

I would definitely draft some O-line, but I probably wouldn't add a WR or TE in the first 3 rounds unless they were the best value at my pick. Given the current team you'll help a young QB a lot more fixing RT and LG right away. WR and TE are good enough to get by for a year and would be a luxury pick in my mind given the other holes. MLB is a need, OLB is a need. DE might be a need if Antonio doesn't re-sign, and corner and safety are both extremely thin. I agree about putting a QB in a situation to succeed, but I don't think the current WRs and TEs are going to drag a QB down.
I agree with this. Personally, if I'm playing GM, I'd feel much safer with Clowney. He not only seems most likely for NFL success, but a dominant pass rush would reduce pressure on our questionable secondary. We could draft a QB in the 2nd round and give him a year to develop while continuing to roll with Keenum. I don't think he's the future but he hasn't been bad. If he's terrible then we move forward with the 2nd rounder to be named later. If he's good, maybe we can get a pick for him.

If we don't end up with the #1 pick then I'd definitely be content with Matthews. Improving the line would go a long way to getting this offense back on track.

 
Greg Russell said:
Hopefully whoever are GM and coach will be good at talent evaluation, so I'd want them to stay true to whatever they think. If they think Bridgewater is only marginally better than a QB they think slides to the 2nd round, then I don't have a problem with Clowney/Barr/LT and then a QB in the 2nd.

But if they do think there's some separation and there's a future franchise QB to be had, definitely take him.

I would definitely draft some O-line, but I probably wouldn't add a WR or TE in the first 3 rounds unless they were the best value at my pick. Given the current team you'll help a young QB a lot more fixing RT and LG right away. WR and TE are good enough to get by for a year and would be a luxury pick in my mind given the other holes. MLB is a need, OLB is a need. DE might be a need if Antonio doesn't re-sign, and corner and safety are both extremely thin. I agree about putting a QB in a situation to succeed, but I don't think the current WRs and TEs are going to drag a QB down.
I agree with this. Personally, if I'm playing GM, I'd feel much safer with Clowney. He not only seems most likely for NFL success, but a dominant pass rush would reduce pressure on our questionable secondary. We could draft a QB in the 2nd round and give him a year to develop while continuing to roll with Keenum. I don't think he's the future but he hasn't been bad. If he's terrible then we move forward with the 2nd rounder to be named later. If he's good, maybe we can get a pick for him.

If we don't end up with the #1 pick then I'd definitely be content with Matthews. Improving the line would go a long way to getting this offense back on track.
The problem is the new coach might not have any interest in Keenum at all. He might not be a fit for his system. If we have a new coach I honestly think they take a QB anywhere in the top 5 picks.

 
Yeah, too many variables right now. New head coach may bring a new offensive or defensive system which could mean a lot of retooling. IMO it's not the players and so major changes are not needed. So much of these struggles seems to be due to bad coaching, bad game planning and an inability to make adjustments both week to week and in-game. All these close losses and the complaints about not being able to play a 2nd half stick out to me as indictments of our bad coaching. This is very close to the same team people-wise that had 10 wins last year. IMO teams saw what the best teams like Green Bay & New England did to us midseason last year and gave everyone a blueprint on how our offense & defense run and the current staff can't adjust to that.

A dream scenario would be to lose out but have Case show enough to make a new coach stick with him next year. Then trade down to garner more picks and use that 1st on a defensive stud. I think they can find upgrades for the line in the mid-rounds. Use the rest of the picks on defense.

 
I think a good way for the Texans to go would be Clowney in the 1st followed by McCarron in the 2nd, or late first if they feel they have to trade up. McCarron has played in a lot of big games in college and always seems to play with poise and play well. He is not a running QB but he moves effectively. A Watt/Clowney combination is a good start on defense.

 
By the way, I think Case is erring too much now on the side of trying to be a pocket passer over using his legs. Many young, mobile QBs run to pick up yards too much. Since his first or second game he started, I think he's not letting his legs be enough of a weapon and it's hurting them when it comes to moving the chains.

He still needs to get into that perfect balance, swung too far the other way after probably scrambling a little too much the first game or two. He's got a lot to learn though, may take awhile before he hits the right mix.

 
It almost seems like a catch 22 when trying to fill coaching staffs. I'm so damn tired of the retreads but the big name coaches in college make so much money these days and have far more job security.

Depending on what kind of team the ownership wants to be going forward, I'd be snagging Chip Kelly's wingman or one of Andy Reid's disciples for offense. Give new blood a shot.

Just don't draft a stud QB and then get his college OC like the Colts did. Unless you're built for that.

I'm hearing Pep Hamilton may be reassigned in the organization after this season. Smh

 
Hopefully whoever are GM and coach will be good at talent evaluation, so I'd want them to stay true to whatever they think. If they think Bridgewater is only marginally better than a QB they think slides to the 2nd round, then I don't have a problem with Clowney/Barr/LT and then a QB in the 2nd.

But if they do think there's some separation and there's a future franchise QB to be had, definitely take him.

I would definitely draft some O-line, but I probably wouldn't add a WR or TE in the first 3 rounds unless they were the best value at my pick. Given the current team you'll help a young QB a lot more fixing RT and LG right away. WR and TE are good enough to get by for a year and would be a luxury pick in my mind given the other holes. MLB is a need, OLB is a need. DE might be a need if Antonio doesn't re-sign, and corner and safety are both extremely thin. I agree about putting a QB in a situation to succeed, but I don't think the current WRs and TEs are going to drag a QB down.
I agree with this. Personally, if I'm playing GM, I'd feel much safer with Clowney. He not only seems most likely for NFL success, but a dominant pass rush would reduce pressure on our questionable secondary. We could draft a QB in the 2nd round and give him a year to develop while continuing to roll with Keenum. I don't think he's the future but he hasn't been bad. If he's terrible then we move forward with the 2nd rounder to be named later. If he's good, maybe we can get a pick for him.

If we don't end up with the #1 pick then I'd definitely be content with Matthews. Improving the line would go a long way to getting this offense back on track.
The problem is the new coach might not have any interest in Keenum at all. He might not be a fit for his system. If we have a new coach I honestly think they take a QB anywhere in the top 5 picks.
It would be the obvious move that would be met with the least critical backlash. At least initially. If Clowney becomes a 10 time pro bowler and Bridgewater becomes the next Joey Harrington/David Carr then eventually it'll look pretty bad, but by then the coach will be long gone. For the first 2-3 years people won't be on them too badly unless the QB is just horrible.

 
Keenum looks like a keeper to me. He's done pretty damn well considering the circumstances.

Still learning for sure.

 
By the way, I think Case is erring too much now on the side of trying to be a pocket passer over using his legs. Many young, mobile QBs run to pick up yards too much. Since his first or second game he started, I think he's not letting his legs be enough of a weapon and it's hurting them when it comes to moving the chains.

He still needs to get into that perfect balance, swung too far the other way after probably scrambling a little too much the first game or two. He's got a lot to learn though, may take awhile before he hits the right mix.
I agree, but that could be on the coaches. But at this point let's stick with whatever keeps bringing in the losses. I feel a 4-12 season coming up, though.

 
I know you all want a good draft pick but I'm surprised you're cheering for losses.

I never felt that way when Manning went down. Maybe different circumstances but still odd to me.

 
We have an owner who is way too patient. Gotta hit rock bottom to make sure he cleans house, and we are sick of lousy QBs. Might as well get the first pick and let the new guy hand pick his guy.

 
I know you all want a good draft pick but I'm surprised you're cheering for losses.

I never felt that way when Manning went down. Maybe different circumstances but still odd to me.
i guess I just really hate the coach and feel McNair and others should feel a little pain for all their misdeeds. It's been obvious for a few years that Kubiak must go (why does he still have a job?). Most importantly, I'm looking for the team to rebuild and repair so they can compete on a high level.

 
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I can get on board with that. You guys aren't that far away. I know a franchise QB sounds amazing but man, Clowney and Watt would be scary as hell!

If you landed the #1, I could see a new coach trade down to add a pick or two. This draft looks LOADED in the first round.

 
If you get a top 5 pick and you don't have a 'franchise' QB, it's pretty simple what you do IMO.

 
By the way, I think Case is erring too much now on the side of trying to be a pocket passer over using his legs. Many young, mobile QBs run to pick up yards too much. Since his first or second game he started, I think he's not letting his legs be enough of a weapon and it's hurting them when it comes to moving the chains.

He still needs to get into that perfect balance, swung too far the other way after probably scrambling a little too much the first game or two. He's got a lot to learn though, may take awhile before he hits the right mix.
From what I've seen so far, I don't think he is the future. He has played better than expected, but I don't think he flashes franchise QB. He can't read a blitz, he struggles to read the initial defensive coverages and find the open man, instead hesitating too long and then needing to scramble to extend the play. Granted he goes all Bucky Richardson when he extends the play and finds a man, but we honestly can't expect that to be a staple of the offense. With his physical limitations, he really needs to excel in the mental aspect, and I don't think I've seen it so far. I honestly think his best fit is as a decent backup QB.

 
I know you all want a good draft pick but I'm surprised you're cheering for losses.

I never felt that way when Manning went down. Maybe different circumstances but still odd to me.
10 straight losses and inept coaching will do this to you.

 
I can get on board with that. You guys aren't that far away. I know a franchise QB sounds amazing but man, Clowney and Watt would be scary as hell!

If you landed the #1, I could see a new coach trade down to add a pick or two. This draft looks LOADED in the first round.
Clowney is just as likely to bust as the top 2 QBs will be.

 
I can get on board with that. You guys aren't that far away. I know a franchise QB sounds amazing but man, Clowney and Watt would be scary as hell!

If you landed the #1, I could see a new coach trade down to add a pick or two. This draft looks LOADED in the first round.
Clowney is just as likely to bust as the top 2 QBs will be.
Maybe that's true, but I don't feel like it. If we get the #1 overall pick, I'd like to see us either take Clowney or trade down a pick or two and take him.

 
With Mariotta staying, if we win a game or two we are going to be in the Derek Carr discussion. How do my fellow Texans sufferers feel about that? Although I kinda like him from what Ive seen, I think Id rather just go all in on Manziel instead of create that firestorm....

 
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I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.

 
I tried to find the Derek Carr interview I saw before where I thought it sounded like he had a beef with the Texans over his brother's career, but wasn't able to find it again. Might be they could work it out between them though, definitely.

 
dhockster said:
I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.
:goodposting:

Kubiak needs to take the ball and chain off a guy like Keenum to see what he really has. Looking forward to a QB competition between Case and the #1.

 
I know you all want a good draft pick but I'm surprised you're cheering for losses.

I never felt that way when Manning went down. Maybe different circumstances but still odd to me.
i thought IND could have made more of an effort to be competitive that year...

looked harder for a free agent QB... didn't they just keep rolling out painter week after week?

almost like they wanted to lose... NAH!

 
dhockster said:
I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.
:goodposting:

Kubiak needs to take the ball and chain off a guy like Keenum to see what he really has. Looking forward to a QB competition between Case and the #1.
I don't know if I totally agree with this, I don't recall him running so much pistol and shotgun with Schaub. Also tons of single back running plays, they used the fullback alot more earlier in the season.

 
dhockster said:
I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.
I disagree on Kubiak and Schaub. Schuab is the ill-fitting part in the Kubiak/shanny WCO which uses a lot of boot legs/QB movement and generally requires a QB with at least average mobility. They got everything out of Schuab that is possible. I fault McSmithiak for hitching the wagon to what I guess was the "best" option in whatever year he was traded for when he was going to always be an odd duck in what they preferred to do. Sort of got away with it for awhile, but I think schuab is what he is a average overall QB that can't be built around as the "guy."

 
dhockster said:
I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.
I disagree on Kubiak and Schaub. Schuab is the ill-fitting part in the Kubiak/shanny WCO which uses a lot of boot legs/QB movement and generally requires a QB with at least average mobility. They got everything out of Schuab that is possible. I fault McSmithiak for hitching the wagon to what I guess was the "best" option in whatever year he was traded for when he was going to always be an odd duck in what they preferred to do. Sort of got away with it for awhile, but I think schuab is what he is a average overall QB that can't be built around as the "guy."
No kidding....this offense always screamed for a guy who could roll outside and use a strong arm to attack every part of the field on those bootlegs. Schaub is like the total opposite of that, and I never understood why some people said he was a perfect fit. Schaub and Kevin Walter epitomize how Kubiak limited his own offense and why he is a crappy coach.
 
dhockster said:
I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.
I disagree on Kubiak and Schaub. Schuab is the ill-fitting part in the Kubiak/shanny WCO which uses a lot of boot legs/QB movement and generally requires a QB with at least average mobility. They got everything out of Schuab that is possible. I fault McSmithiak for hitching the wagon to what I guess was the "best" option in whatever year he was traded for when he was going to always be an odd duck in what they preferred to do. Sort of got away with it for awhile, but I think schuab is what he is a average overall QB that can't be built around as the "guy."
I see what you are saying about Kubiak/Schaub and it is a good point. Do you agree, though, that Kubiak does limit his QB's? And that we shouldn't necessarily take what Case does under Kubiak as definitive as to what his ceiling is? I think there is a good chance that Case can do more under another coach

 
I tried to find the Derek Carr interview I saw before where I thought it sounded like he had a beef with the Texans over his brother's career, but wasn't able to find it again. Might be they could work it out between them though, definitely.
David was shell-shocked with the Texans and they basically ignored getting him OL protection (the highest drafted OL by them was Chester Pitts at #50). I wouldn't blame his brother for not thinking highly of the organization.

 
I tried to find the Derek Carr interview I saw before where I thought it sounded like he had a beef with the Texans over his brother's career, but wasn't able to find it again. Might be they could work it out between them though, definitely.
David was shell-shocked with the Texans and they basically ignored getting him OL protection (the highest drafted OL by them was Chester Pitts at #50). I wouldn't blame his brother for not thinking highly of the organization.
Well he can think what he wants but the fans in Houston don't think to highly of Carr. Yes his oline was putrid. But Carr wasn't exactly the first-guy-in, last-to-leave QB leader the team hoped he would be. I have no links, but have heard plenty of times on local radio that Carr would prefer to watch extra film at home rather than at the stadium. Then there was dumb stuff like the big "cutting his hair" event when the team finally won back-to-back games and all he did was get a trim. Just immature and screams "minor leagues", which is definitely what the Texans were back then. Hell you could argue they still ARE minor league. The point is I don't care what younger Carr says. I don't predict great success for him either. But I do hope he gets better oline play than David did.

 
I know you all want a good draft pick but I'm surprised you're cheering for losses.

I never felt that way when Manning went down. Maybe different circumstances but still odd to me.
i thought IND could have made more of an effort to be competitive that year...

looked harder for a free agent QB... didn't they just keep rolling out painter week after week?

almost like they wanted to lose... NAH!
Bob, what does that have to do with what I said?

ETA: From FBGs Data Dominator:


NAME Pos Yr Games Appeared
Kerry Collins qb 2011 3
Dan Orlovsky qb 2011 8
Curtis Painter qb 2011 9

They went and got Collins who got injured.
 
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I tried to find the Derek Carr interview I saw before where I thought it sounded like he had a beef with the Texans over his brother's career, but wasn't able to find it again. Might be they could work it out between them though, definitely.
David was shell-shocked with the Texans and they basically ignored getting him OL protection (the highest drafted OL by them was Chester Pitts at #50). I wouldn't blame his brother for not thinking highly of the organization.
The Texans blew that first draft horribly. First taking Tony Boselli in FA and hoping he was going to be healthy enough to play. Then drafting your franchise QB with no line. Not drafting Julius Peppers.

Should have passed on Boselli, Taken Peppers, Used Tony Banks as QB for year 1 and used more draft picks on OL. Take franchise QB in year 2 when Oline has had a year to gel. Even if it is not filled with talent, they would have at least played a year together.

 
dhockster said:
I think the one thing to remember when evaluating Case Keenum: Gary Kubiak has not done a great job of developing QB's. Matt Schaub, while he had great numbers his first couple of seasons with the team, has not really progressed, and over the last year, has regressed in his play. T.J. Yates, who was an average QB when he had to start as a rookie due to Schaub's injuries, seems to still be an average QB. Keenum, after some initial success, is struggling now to respond to what defenses are doing.

Gary, I think, limits his QB's in two ways: first he does not give them enough input or control in playcalling, i.e. they are limited in their ability to audible; second, he tends to run the same offense for every QB and does not seem to tailor what the team does to each QB's strength. Case's offense should have some plays that Matt's does not, to utilize Case's ability to scramble and run with the football. Doing this will give defenses more to defend and therefore make it easier for Case when he just has to drop straight back and throw.

While I would prefer the Texans hire a defensive minded coach after Kubiak, I want them to also put the offense under someone who is more flexible in their playcalling and tries to develop players to utilize the strenghs that they have.
I disagree on Kubiak and Schaub. Schuab is the ill-fitting part in the Kubiak/shanny WCO which uses a lot of boot legs/QB movement and generally requires a QB with at least average mobility. They got everything out of Schuab that is possible. I fault McSmithiak for hitching the wagon to what I guess was the "best" option in whatever year he was traded for when he was going to always be an odd duck in what they preferred to do. Sort of got away with it for awhile, but I think schuab is what he is a average overall QB that can't be built around as the "guy."
I see what you are saying about Kubiak/Schaub and it is a good point. Do you agree, though, that Kubiak does limit his QB's? And that we shouldn't necessarily take what Case does under Kubiak as definitive as to what his ceiling is? I think there is a good chance that Case can do more under another coach
 
Can you paste the article for those of us who are not digital subscribers to that rag?
Sorry bruh, i'm not a subscriber either so I thought you had access. I guess I'm just special.

Texans house cleaning would be foolish

By John McClain

December 4, 2013

It's stunning how many fans and members of the media want Texans owner Bob McNair to blow up his front office by firing coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith after one atrocious season.

A front-office house cleaning would sweep out the coaches and most of the personnel department because a new general manager and coach would want to bring in their people.


And that would mean a cleansing of the roster, too, after what could be a 2-14 season that ends with a 14-game losing streak.

In other words, a total rebuilding job for the Texans - the same thing that happened in 2006 when Kubiak replaced Dom Capers and the Texans improved from 2-14 to 6-10.

The Texans' predicament is a franchise first. It's hard to lose 10 consecutive games with the parity that exists in the NFL.

"It doesn't matter whether you're 10-2 or 2-10, nothing's changed other than it's very difficult to work through the situation," Kubiak said. "As a coach and as a player, you wouldn't be in this business if you haven't worked through these things before or you don't have the belief that you're going to work through this.

"If you're going to stick around our business, you'll probably get a chance at both ends of the stick. So find out what you're made of. This is a very difficult time, but guys are pushing themselves as best they can. At the end of the day, though, you don't get to smile and hand everybody a ball and say, 'Boy, that was a great effort.' "

The Texans continue to play hard, but they make mistakes, mental and physical, that losers make - penalties at the worst time, dropped passes and turnovers.

When a team loses as much as the Texans have, change is inevitable. But what kind of owner fires his general manager and coach one bad season after they won back-to-back AFC South titles and a playoff game each year?

A foolish one.

And McNair is no fool.

McNair will have to make some difficult decisions. Once he lets everyone know what his plans are, the Texans will have to make a decision that will affect the franchise for probably a decade.

Continuity is key at QB

Through 12 games this season, there are 13 teams with winning records. Twelve of them have something common: healthy quarterbacks.

The only team with a winning record that's been forced to change starting quarterbacks is Philadelphia. Michael Vick's injury gave Austin native Nick Foles an opportunity in his second season, and he's been exceptional with 19 touchdown passes, no interceptions and a four-game winning streak.

So the common theme among winners is stability at quarterback. If you don't believe it, ask the Packers and Bears.

Barring injury, Case Keenum will have 10 games to audition for the Texans' starting quarterback job next season. They're 0-6 in his starts, but they've lost by 3.6 points a game.

Keenum needs Kubiak

Keenum's best chance to be the starter next season would be if Kubiak were retained. A new coach would insist on drafting a quarterback, probably in the first round depending on how the prospects are rated when the scouting process is finished.

Interestingly, when Kubiak has been on the sideline - not in the press box or having to watch the Arizona game at home - Keenum is 39-of-72 for 751 yards and four touchdowns, with one interception and a 103.4 rating.

Without Kubiak on the sideline, Keenum is 64-of-118 for 682 yards and four touchdowns, with two interceptions and a 75.6 rating.

Whatever decision the Texans make on their quarterback for 2014 and beyond must be the correct one.

If they decide they want to draft a quarterback - and don't expect them to sign a high-priced veteran - expect them to use a high pick. It's way too early to tell who that quarterback will be if they do indeed take that route.


 
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I think the issue at qb has been one of the goodness. Well lack of goodness. Carr was found out or shellshocked but still probably had his best season. I have already talked about schaub. Yates went to combine as a drill arm. Case while probably proving he belongs on annfl roster is still an undersized udfa free agent who we don't know is even nfl starting material. For me his problems are about the who selection versus calling these plays or those plays.

 
McClain should be fired then too. What a bunch of crap.
never been a fan of his views and/or writing....some say he's the mouthpiece for a McNair & Co. and this could be their way of warming fans up to the possibility of giving Kubiak another shot. I'll be shocked if they did but nothing surprises me anymore with this organization.

 
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McClain should be fired then too. What a bunch of crap.
never been a fan of his views and/or writing....some say he's the mouthpiece for a McNair & Co. and this could be their way of warming fans up to the possibility of giving Kubiak another shot. I'll be shocked if they did but nothing surprises me anymore with this organization.
Well I hate to label anyone anything but at times his excuses annoy the crap out of me, especially if you listen to him on the radio. Sometimes it seems like the Texans use his position as beat writer to help with their propaganda. I would love to hear a sarcastic Lance Zuerlein Russian propaganda minister impersonation about his feelings on McClain's article. Crap like what McClain just wrote will never help us move ahead as a franchise. Really John? What the hell good would keeping Gary Kubiak really accomplish?

 
Major - what are your thoughts on Keenum (or anyone else's) tonight?

Everyone expects AJ to do well, many expect Graham to do well. Someone has to throw them the ball...

 
I tried to find the Derek Carr interview I saw before where I thought it sounded like he had a beef with the Texans over his brother's career, but wasn't able to find it again. Might be they could work it out between them though, definitely.
David was shell-shocked with the Texans and they basically ignored getting him OL protection (the highest drafted OL by them was Chester Pitts at #50). I wouldn't blame his brother for not thinking highly of the organization.
The Texans blew that first draft horribly. First taking Tony Boselli in FA and hoping he was going to be healthy enough to play. Then drafting your franchise QB with no line. Not drafting Julius Peppers.

Should have passed on Boselli, Taken Peppers, Used Tony Banks as QB for year 1 and used more draft picks on OL. Take franchise QB in year 2 when Oline has had a year to gel. Even if it is not filled with talent, they would have at least played a year together.
I think the Boselli situation is not nearly so cut and dry. Boselli was selected in the expansion draft...

At the time he was taken, the doctors were saying he should be fine. Later, Boselli himself would blame the surgery he had 4 months before the expansion draft as having ruined his shoulder, as he says after the surgery it was never again as good as it had been even before the surgery.

So the Texans heard from their own doctors he should be able to play. Apart from that, you could make a good argument that even if the Texans had the advantage of hindsight on how the injury would play out, that they still should take him.

The Jags were horribly over the cap, and losing expansion draft players don't result in a cap hit. There was an agreement that the Jags would leave exposed two players the Texans wanted, Gary Walker and Seth Payne, if the Texans would take Boselli as well.

Walker went to the Pro Bowl in his first season for the Texans. Payne was solid if unspectacular. For an expansion team with holes all over to fill, having those guys gave them some stability on the defensive line, at the cost of the $6m cap hit for Boselli, which they could afford at the time. So arguably they should still make that move even if we sent a message back in time to them about Boselli's future.

Better argument is that they should have moved quicker to fill LT after Boselli wasn't able to play... they really didn't until the drafting of Duane Brown. But I'm not convinced the drafting of Boselli was a mistake.

Edit to add: I agree with all the rest. At the time I wanted them to take Peppers and build up the O-line and sign... I think maybe it was Trent Dilfer who was a free agent that year, to be QB for a season or two.

 
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ANY chance we wake up to see the headline that reads "Kubiak Fired"?????
I'd say the odds went up a lot, but I don't know that I'd put money on it either.

I do wish that the broadcast had shown McNair and Rick Smith when it was clear he was putting Schaub in though. Would have loved to see their expressions to try to divine their thoughts.

 
ANY chance we wake up to see the headline that reads "Kubiak Fired"?????
I'd say the odds went up a lot, but I don't know that I'd put money on it either.

I do wish that the broadcast had shown McNair and Rick Smith when it was clear he was putting Schaub in though. Would have loved to see their expressions to try to divine their thoughts.
Yeah, if he's fired tomorrow it's more for totally botching the QB situation than the losses per se.

 
Them allowing Kubiak to stay on is an indication to me that they have no belief in Keenum. I mean, if he isn't allowed to play and develop now, when will he?

The front office's reaction to this will be very telling to me.

In the least, they should try to get Keenum experience even if he's going to be a backup.

 
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