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How to pick Kickers (3 Viewers)

jboldt73

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I have had a horrible time with kickers this year.

You don't want an offense that is too good or you just get extra points, several times I have picked up Maher, Elliott or McPherson to get 3 or 4 points. They get in the 30 or less of the opponent and often go for it because they are so confident they will get the 4th down.

You don't want bad offenses like Den, or Indy or do you?

I know it is a crap shoot and in any given week things can change but I wonder how do you get a kicker outside of Justin tucker that will give you 8 to 10 points week in and week out>?
 
The day that transformed kicking was 14 April 1932 when Cockcroft and Walton split the uprights with a proton beam. Accounts have it that Rutherford had become frustrated at the lack of results from the QB, which was Cockcroft and Walton’s pride and joy, and insisted that they get some results. Initially they used a ball of 280 keV, but later demonstrated upright splitting by a beam with energy below 150 keV. The experimenters closeted themselves in a lead-lined wooden hut in the accelerator room, and then practiced snaps through a microscope to look for scintillations due to alpha particles, which they counted by hand. If the laces of the ball glowed, they added a little more lead – so much for health and safety 75 years ago. Of course, they found scintillations, thereby observing the splitting of the uprights by the incident protons, to form 3 points.
 
I've had a lot of success with Kickers over the years. My first was a pair of 10" Solo Barics I bought from a buddy in high school. They never produced ground shaking bass, but always blended well with the mid range.
 
Wow, I was looking for a discussion but whatever. I have notices what seems to be a new trend in the NFL with more teams going for it on 4th down and the more potent the offense the less likely they are to bring out the kicker. Thought maybe someone would have some insight or comments. I have tried to pick based on match ups, based on quality of kicker based on team to have week in week out 3 to 4 points

Maher 4 week 10, 21 week 11 then 4 again.

Forget it, I will refrain from looking for a discussion here.
 
I have had a horrible time with kickers this year.

You don't want an offense that is too good or you just get extra points, several times I have picked up Maher, Elliott or McPherson to get 3 or 4 points. They get in the 30 or less of the opponent and often go for it because they are so confident they will get the 4th down.

You don't want bad offenses like Den, or Indy or do you?

I know it is a crap shoot and in any given week things can change but I wonder how do you get a kicker outside of Justin tucker that will give you 8 to 10 points week in and week out>?
You have to focus on the kickers that have good diets and solid BMs. For example, there's kickers out there that are eating Lucky Charms with whole milk for breakfast. AVOID
 
Wow, I was looking for a discussion but whatever. I have notices what seems to be a new trend in the NFL with more teams going for it on 4th down and the more potent the offense the less likely they are to bring out the kicker. Thought maybe someone would have some insight or comments. I have tried to pick based on match ups, based on quality of kicker based on team to have week in week out 3 to 4 points

Maher 4 week 10, 21 week 11 then 4 again.

Forget it, I will refrain from looking for a discussion here.
you would have better luck in the shark pool - for serious
 
Wow, I was looking for a discussion but whatever. I have notices what seems to be a new trend in the NFL with more teams going for it on 4th down and the more potent the offense the less likely they are to bring out the kicker. Thought maybe someone would have some insight or comments. I have tried to pick based on match ups, based on quality of kicker based on team to have week in week out 3 to 4 points

Maher 4 week 10, 21 week 11 then 4 again.

Forget it, I will refrain from looking for a discussion here.
Here is an honest answer:

Pick a kicker from a good offense. Over the course of a year they will get more opportunities.
 
I have had a horrible time with kickers this year.

You don't want an offense that is too good or you just get extra points, several times I have picked up Maher, Elliott or McPherson to get 3 or 4 points. They get in the 30 or less of the opponent and often go for it because they are so confident they will get the 4th down.

You don't want bad offenses like Den, or Indy or do you?

I know it is a crap shoot and in any given week things can change but I wonder how do you get a kicker outside of Justin tucker that will give you 8 to 10 points week in and week out>?
Serious answer: With the last pick of your draft. The overall depth of your team will improve and you won't need kicker points quite as much.
 
I have had a horrible time with kickers this year.

I know it is a crap shoot and in any given week things can change but I wonder how do you get a kicker outside of Justin tucker that will give you 8 to 10 points week in and week out>?

Pick a kicker, outside of the top 3, whom is on a team with an average offensive line or better EXCEPT for having a mediocre starting center.

It's extremely understated how much a good center makes a difference in controlling game flow and helping Red Zone efficiency. A drive will start to pace upwards in tone and urgency as the field shrinks. Good centers can manage that, bad centers can't.

Jeff Saturday is getting a lot of press as a lame duck "stunt casting" type coach, however few people are pointing out that he was an incredible game manager for the Colts at the pivot.

I don't know if @MattBitonti is still around, but he would understand where I'm going with this here.

Michael Vick's comeback year in 2010 was the big story in Philly. What no one talked about was the great season David Akers had, and who was the starting center for the Eagles then ( McGlynn) This was right before the Jason Kelce era.

I don't mind football talk in the FFA. Sometimes it's nice to talk about strictly football again. I just avoid the Shark Pool for the most part, I have no desire to have Adam Harstaad jammed up back in my face again for apparently no good reason at all since his opinions have to become everyone else's facts. Life is just too short to deal with crap like that.
 
The day that transformed kicking was 14 April 1932 when Cockcroft and Walton split the uprights with a proton beam. Accounts have it that Rutherford had become frustrated at the lack of results from the QB, which was Cockcroft and Walton’s pride and joy, and insisted that they get some results. Initially they used a ball of 280 keV, but later demonstrated upright splitting by a beam with energy below 150 keV. The experimenters closeted themselves in a lead-lined wooden hut in the accelerator room, and then practiced snaps through a microscope to look for scintillations due to alpha particles, which they counted by hand. If the laces of the ball glowed, they added a little more lead – so much for health and safety 75 years ago. Of course, they found scintillations, thereby observing the splitting of the uprights by the incident protons, to form 3 points.
Check out the big brain on Brad.
 
I think Harstad says it at the top of his rent a kicker article…

No position is more unpredictable in fantasy football than kickers. Year after year after year, no position has a lower correlation between where they're drafted before the season and where they finish after the season. No position has a lower correlation between how they score in one week and how they score in the next. No position has a lower correlation between projected points and actual points.

In addition, placekicker is the position that has the smallest spread between the best players and the middle-of-the-pack players for fantasy. Finally, most fantasy GMs will only carry one kicker at a time, which means a dozen or more starting kickers are sitting around on waivers at any given time. Given all of this, it rarely makes sense to devote resources to the position. Instead, GMs are best served by rotating through whichever available kicker has the best weekly matchup.
 
I have had a horrible time with kickers this year.

You don't want an offense that is too good or you just get extra points, several times I have picked up Maher, Elliott or McPherson to get 3 or 4 points. They get in the 30 or less of the opponent and often go for it because they are so confident they will get the 4th down.

You don't want bad offenses like Den, or Indy or do you?

I know it is a crap shoot and in any given week things can change but I wonder how do you get a kicker outside of Justin tucker that will give you 8 to 10 points week in and week out>?

I draft kickers based on systems, and home domes.... and then opportunities from distance.

for several years i would grab greg the leg as he would score like a wr2 or wr3.
 
I think Harstad says it at the top of his rent a kicker article…

No position is more unpredictable in fantasy football than kickers. Year after year after year, no position has a lower correlation between where they're drafted before the season and where they finish after the season. No position has a lower correlation between how they score in one week and how they score in the next. No position has a lower correlation between projected points and actual points.

In addition, placekicker is the position that has the smallest spread between the best players and the middle-of-the-pack players for fantasy. Finally, most fantasy GMs will only carry one kicker at a time, which means a dozen or more starting kickers are sitting around on waivers at any given time. Given all of this, it rarely makes sense to devote resources to the position. Instead, GMs are best served by rotating through whichever available kicker has the best weekly matchup.


He's wrong. Again.

But there is a larger context.

Field goal production is based on opportunity, which is a function of field position. The largest practical determinant of field position will be applying the Pareto Principle to any given special teams unit.

I'll give a current and a non current example. A current example is Cody Davis going down for the Patriots. Most FFers will know Matthew Slater's name based on longevity and the Patriot's overall long terms success. They'll remember Steve Tasker. Those kind of players. They aren't paying attention to guys like Taiwan Jones on any given roster. Losing Davis is a big deal for New England. Under Pareto, and it's true in the NFL, a small number of core special teamers make a dramatic impact on a ST's overall success and production.

A non current example is Neiko Thorpe. I saw plenty of him when I bought into Medina and saw a decent number of Seahawks games up close. Whether a guy like Thorpe, in his prime, was available or not or winged up makes a dramatic difference in overall field position.

There was no greater advocate of this principle than Big Tuna Parcells, who would lavish Reyna Thompson with more praise than maybe even his own storied linebacker corps.

The context is the average FF player is not well versed on special teams play and production. Just like nearly all have no basic conception of the value of offensive line play. The other issue is most FF pundits never played the game, never coached the game, and certainly have no background/interest in bread and butter attrition based special teams. And if I'm being fair, someone who watches a lot of game tape like @MattWaldman will be seeing a lot of players outside of the role they end up in while in the NFL. The general roster limitations of the NFL and how special teams units become clearing houses for 2nd and 3rd stringers, only makes the information flow even tighter.

Can you make lock down predictions on a kicker? No. But Harstaad is just repeating what everyone else says and tries to push a Peter Brand spin on it. Well, he's no Aaron Sorkin. I wouldn't say he could even pen a script for She Hulk. I guess even parrots with word processors can get a pay check these days. It's undignified.

Can you start to unwind practical field position dynamics by looking at availability and production of core special teamers. Yes. But the context is there can be diminishing returns based on the scoring and settings of that league in question. If it's a league where kickers are neutered point wise, it's not so much of a help. If it's a league that carries an IDP stack as well as offense, then that too dilutes the value of those kicker points.

Football is a metaphor for war. Wars are won by understanding how to control the space around you and how to take away the practical space of everyone else. The average FF pundit will shed their tears when a RB1 goes down. However they will stay completely silent when a good gunner goes down, and not realize the overall impact of what is actually lost there.
 
I don't know, but Yahoo keeps trying to get me to pay for their "research assistant" by constantly suggesting I drop the the #3 scoring kicker for basically any other kicker on the waiver wire. Maybe you should pay for Yahoo's advice?
 
i like to grab a kicker and run him for the season, instead of chasing matchups.

my critera:

team in the hunt thru ff playoffs.
on a decent to good offense.
doesnt play outdoors in the winter at home.
preferable a dome team. (viks, dal, lac, no)

i seam to end up with MIN K every year.
 
i like to grab a kicker and run him for the season, instead of chasing matchups.

my critera:

team in the hunt thru ff playoffs.
on a decent to good offense.
doesnt play outdoors in the winter at home.
preferable a dome team. (viks, dal, lac, no)

i seam to end up with MIN K every year.


Bad field position in a dome is still bad field position.

1994 San Francisco 49ers. Big splash in FA that preseason before they won the Super Bowl. Big noise over Ken Norton Jr, Gary Plummer, Richard Dent, Rickey Jackson and getting Deion Sanders late. But very few people talk about Bart Oates coming in to play center, pushing Jesse Sapolu to guard, stabilizing the offensive line and Toi Cook, as a hybrid defensive back, giving excellent work on special teams. No one was really paying attention to the kind of work being put in by Kevin Mitchell, Derek Loville and Antonio Goss on special teams. That kind of difference becomes more glaring in impact when you don't have an offense with Steve Young, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones and Ricky Watters.

No one outside of Green Bay is thinking about Rudy Ford. However the contrast between Ford being healthy and active versus not is a major difference maker in field position. There are things happening on the field that don't translate into a stat sheet.

The war for opportunity for kickers starts with small fierce pitched battles for inches as possession changes hands. There's the kind of luck that falls into your lap and there's the kind of luck that generates because you've got no names acting like legitimate beef eaters.

Stat heads have lost the nuance for how space actually works on a field.
 
The kid from Texas is good. He did miss a game winning 67 yarder yesterday. He would have made it if he were playing the Lions. It’s always easier to kick inside domes.
 
Picking the right kicker is a complex process with more variables than for other positions. There is a beta kicker calculator in the test forum that rates kickers according to your team and your opponent's team's expected weekly points and your league's point system. It uses advanced AI and evaluates many variables such as the kicker's team's offensive and defensive strength of schedule, dome/no dome and the weather. It is a little subjective but highly accurate. It calculates the "kicker quant quotient" or KQQ. There is a separate KQQ for each kicker for each week and also a season KQQ. You could use the weekly KQQ to pick the best kicker available for a specific week, known as the "rent a kicker" approach,or you could pick the kicker based on the season KQQ for the entire season. The advanced owner will combine these strategies and watch the weekly waiver wire for high KQQ kickers. The season KQQ is updated after each week for an expected "season remaining KQQ". For a 12 team league the difference in the the KQQ for the #1 and #12 kicker is literally 1.5/game. The KQQ is an often overlooked analysis in the myriad of fantasy football analytics but it has become more popular this season as owners maximize their team's advantage each week. Next season waiver $ budgets will be incorporated as KQQ$
 
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