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How We Feeling About Seventeen On The Schedule Now? (1 Viewer)

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Are the best teams even remotely close to the ones standing by year's end?

Is anybody going to be standing this year by year's end?

I know we say this most every year, but I haven't. Let me chime in. They're too big and it's too violent to think about eighteen. Let's scale in back to fourteen and we might see the real champion based on talent. The skill guys are just gone to the wolves this year. Or at least address game day bodies and roster depth. You might need more Jalen Cokers hanging around the league and being fully pampered on the full roster rather than guys getting called up from various practice squads.

I hear flag football is hella exciting.
 
I think more than anything the Thursday night game is the problem. Players need those extra three days to rest. I'd be interested to know how many injuries happen around Thursday night games as opposed to regular scheduled ones.

Also the 18 games where each team has 2 byes plan that floated around a few years ago might be better for injury than a 14 game schedule. Kind of like how pitchers are only throwing heat now since they don't need to last multiple innings, a shorted schedule might make guys force themselves to play through injuries.
 
Are the best teams even remotely close to the ones standing by year's end?

Is anybody going to be standing this year by year's end?

I know we say this most every year, but I haven't. Let me chime in. They're too big and it's too violent to think about eighteen. Let's scale in back to fourteen and we might see the real champion based on talent. The skill guys are just gone to the wolves this year. Or at least address game day bodies and roster depth. You might need more Jalen Cokers hanging around the league and being fully pampered on the full roster rather than guys getting called up from various practice squads.

I hear flag football is hella exciting.
If you scale back to 14 how are all these guys injured week 7 and before this year making any difference.
 
They didnt need more games. They actually coulda got away with doing 15 games and giving 3 bye weeks.. 18 weeks of primetime games and TV money revenue.
At some point the powers that be will recognize that adding a bye week just adds more money, and teams would probably appreciate it. They didnt need to add a game to make more money.
 
Thanks, guys. I'd love to know the answer to the Thursday night question and Bass's point is also taken. Just looking to start a discussion and make a point impliedly (admittedly). I never liked the move away from sixteen. But there were injuries in Week Eight of those seasons also.

Just feels like the player are really hurt this year and attrition certainly feels earlier to your average FF player who knows the league. Or is it because the WR is now dropping like flies because of all the bubble screens and the LA Rams/WC Offense use of them as secondary running backs? Their bodies aren't built for that type of punishment, IMO, but the punishment is doled out by different-sized guys than linebackers dishing it out to RBs and on and on . . .

Just curious about what people think.
 
They didnt need more games. They actually coulda got away with doing 15 games and giving 3 bye weeks.. 18 weeks of primetime games and TV money revenue.
At some point the powers that be will recognize that adding a bye week just adds more money, and teams would probably appreciate it. They didnt need to add a game to make more money.

Interesting. Is that because of revenue sharing and television ratings of primetime games? I have never seen that claim, although you seem to have made it. How does it work? Is there a quick source you have? (I'm not grilling you—usually when I have a claim like that I keep a source at the ready in case, but you may not.)
 
It's week eight, how do all these injuries relate to games played 8-9 weeks from now?

This is an easy one. Guys ain't coming back from their season-ending broken ankles. Who's backing up the backups, because now they might have to be called upon in the playoffs. You'll see unrepresentative players that way. Happens in every sport, sure, but not like this. And the drop off is pretty telling when going from a team's WR1 to starting their WR4 as WR1.
 
Are there even more injuries this year or is the frequency the same but it is just hitting more high profile skill position players?

No one comments when it's the second string safety going down. Heck Marlon Humphrey didn't even get a mention in the injury thread last night. He's an All-Pro starter who had two interceptions last night.
 
It's week eight, how do all these injuries relate to games played 8-9 weeks from now?

This is an easy one. Guys ain't coming back from their season-ending broken ankles. Who's backing up the backups, because now they might have to be called upon in the playoffs. You'll see unrepresentative players that way. Happens in every sport, sure, but not like this. And the drop off is pretty telling when going from a team's WR1 to starting their WR4 as WR1.
So, your premise isn't that more players are getting hurt because of the 17 game schedule, just that it will lead to fewer marquee players being in the field later in the season?

Since week eight is just starting doesn't that premise apply to a 16 game schedule? Or 14 games?
 
Don't extra games give players, not Godwin obviously, but certainly Evans, more time to make it back on the field later in the year?
 
They didnt need more games. They actually coulda got away with doing 15 games and giving 3 bye weeks.. 18 weeks of primetime games and TV money revenue.
At some point the powers that be will recognize that adding a bye week just adds more money, and teams would probably appreciate it. They didnt need to add a game to make more money.

Interesting. Is that because of revenue sharing and television ratings of primetime games? I have never seen that claim, although you seem to have made it. How does it work? Is there a quick source you have? (I'm not grilling you—usually when I have a claim like that I keep a source at the ready in case, but you may not.)
It's just common sense. Add another bye week, which adds another week to the season without adding a game.
That means an extra thursday, sunday night, and monday night game. Plus a whole extra week of sunday TV nationally.
 
It's week eight, how do all these injuries relate to games played 8-9 weeks from now?

This is an easy one. Guys ain't coming back from their season-ending broken ankles. Who's backing up the backups, because now they might have to be called upon in the playoffs. You'll see unrepresentative players that way. Happens in every sport, sure, but not like this. And the drop off is pretty telling when going from a team's WR1 to starting their WR4 as WR1.
So, your premise isn't that more players are getting hurt because of the 17 game schedule, just that it will lead to fewer marquee players being in the field later in the season?

Since week eight is just starting doesn't that premise apply to a 16 game schedule? Or 14 games?

The premise is how is the NFL affected by a seventeen game schedule. It wasn't "does the extra game mean more guys get hurt during the regular season" because that's not what I was getting at, really. It's also a redundant question. Of course it means that. Seventeen real hitting games are more than sixteen. If you extended the playoffs by a game, it would be the same thing. More guys would get hurt.

More games, more injuries. My premise was about marquee players for the most part and the amount of injuries happening more because of the extra week before the playoffs. If everything was constant, that's what one would probably limit one's claims to. I think you're asking whether guys would have time to come back because of the extra weeks tacked onto the end of the year with the extra game for all teams.

I don't know about that. I doubt it. Most of these notable injuries are season-ending.
 
Are there even more injuries this year or is the frequency the same but it is just hitting more high profile skill position players?

No one comments when it's the second string safety going down. Heck Marlon Humphrey didn't even get a mention in the injury thread last night. He's an All-Pro starter who had two interceptions last night.
Good point Chaka.

Also the QBs aren't being impacted like years past. I thinking it's on our mind more because between byes and WR/RB injuries we're having a hard time fielding weekly lineups. I've had to go to the wire for a starter 2 of the last 3 weeks.
 
Are there even more injuries this year or is the frequency the same but it is just hitting more high profile skill position players?

I think it's partially because of that, yes. This is what I said.

"Just feels like the player(s) are really hurt this year and attrition certainly feels earlier to your average FF player who knows the league. Or is it because the WR is now dropping like flies because of all the bubble screens and the LA Rams/WC Offense use of them as secondary running backs? Their bodies aren't built for that type of punishment, IMO, but the punishment is doled out by different-sized guys than linebackers dishing it out to RBs and on and on . . ."
 
Just feels like the player are really hurt this year and attrition certainly feels earlier to your average FF player who knows the league. Or is it because the WR is now dropping like flies because of all the bubble screens and the LA Rams/WC Offense use of them as secondary running backs? Their bodies aren't built for that type of punishment, IMO, but the punishment is doled out by different-sized guys than linebackers dishing it out to RBs and on and on . . .

I personally feel like this fantasy season is being impacted by injury more than normal.

I'd say this covers it, right on down to the feel part which I think is used by both ghostguy123 and I both knowing its limitations and strengths as a word.
 
Just feels like the player are really hurt this year and attrition certainly feels earlier to your average FF player who knows the league. Or is it because the WR is now dropping like flies because of all the bubble screens and the LA Rams/WC Offense use of them as secondary running backs? Their bodies aren't built for that type of punishment, IMO, but the punishment is doled out by different-sized guys than linebackers dishing it out to RBs and on and on . . .

I personally feel like this fantasy season is being impacted by injury more than normal.

I'd say this covers it, right on down to the feel part which I think is used by both ghostguy123 and I both knowing its limitations and strengths as a word.
It's funny though, cause I have three total teams, and really none of them have had much in the way of injuries.
 
I'm not accusing you of anything @rockaction , or trying to start/win a fight on the Internet. just trying to understand the premise.

No, no, no. Not all at what I'm insinuating you're doing. I'm trying to answer because it might be a muddled one.

I'm thinking it through as I go. All inquiries welcome, even those that poke holes in any implied or stated premises. I'm trying to learn here.
 
BTW I agree with @ghostguy123 , just make the season 18 weeks with two byes already.

As I understand it the argument again has always been related to media partners wanting marquee matchups every week and a second bye could impact that. It's a B.S. premise IMO. This is America, if American football is on television we're going to watch.
 
I'm not accusing you of anything @rockaction , or trying to start/win a fight on the Internet. just trying to understand the premise.

No, no, no. Not all at what I'm insinuating you're doing. I'm trying to answer because it might be a muddled one.
I didn't honestly think you were, but thanks for clarifying. I also wanted to be absolutely certain you didn't think I was either.

I understand the premise now. I believe the appropriate response is:

:ptts:
 
This whole pointing to shirt thing. You can actually buy one of these?

(I'm kidding, by the way. I know you can't buy one with your girlfriend around.)
 
I have to say that I even used the word "feel" so that we might solicit just raw vibes from the whole thing. Sometimes if you get sixty or seventy out of seventy-five people that devote a lot of time to something to say something "feels" wrong, you've got something.

That's Gladwellian, and people have their problems with him, but I took that bit of wisdom that he maintained fairly seriously.

If you get a hundred people who devote their time to a football message board to say, "Sheesh. Look. No receivers anymore in Week Eight," then you might have something there that's getting at something that might be telling. Whether it's a change in schedule, or a change in deployment, or a change in the game where physicality has moved to the CBs and safeties (I think it has) then you've got an actionable observation that you can derive from simply feeling a way about something and examining that feeling further.

Just a thing I think.
 
I used to really like Gladwell. He has an interesting perspective and is very smart. But I saw him speak a couple of times, and his talks were also very well considered and engaging.

But he ended each talk with the same amusing story about monkey prostitution every time. It's a great story the first time, but seriously dude should have realized I was in the audience for each of those talks and changed up his closing material.

It rankled me.
 
I personally feel like this fantasy season is being impacted by injury more than normal.
When it's QBs and we can go to the wire for Browning or Flacco it doessn't feel as bad. With most of the TEs laying eggs this year, TE injuries don't feel that bad...just go to the wire and get another egg laying bum.
 
Are there even more injuries this year or is the frequency the same but it is just hitting more high profile skill position players?

No one comments when it's the second string safety going down. Heck Marlon Humphrey didn't even get a mention in the injury thread last night. He's an All-Pro starter who had two interceptions last night.

I'm going to go with neither.

I've been here 20 years now. Every single year there are posts about how "I know there are injuries every year, but this year just feels different". Every. Single. Year.

While I do think that nowadays guys miss more time for injuries like concussions that would have just been ignored before, I think primarily what happens is certain FF owners happen to have teams with a higher concentration of the injured players and they get very vocal on here about injuries being worse than usual, and people just start repeating it. Then the next year the injured players are more concentrated on a different poster's team and that person is now vocal about injuries being worse than last year (it seems that way because more of the injured players are on their FF teams), etc.
 
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I'd like a 12-14 game schedule closer to college football
This is way too many games/weeks
One of the appeals for a long time with the NFL was Sept-Dec unless you make the Playoffs but now it's all year long
College Football you lost 1 game and the season was about over but now you can lose at least 2 and still make it, maybe 3 if you play in the SEC

Week 2 Tua knocks himself out and lands on injured reserve, Phins just dangling from a fishing line right now
Week 7 Godwin dislocates his ankle

What other major injuries happened on Thursday Night to skill players?
 
I don't think all injuries are created equal. I also think that a lack of pre-season and learning how to fall, take hits, tackle, etc have diminished over the years to just big hits which lead to more injuries. In addition, the guys are bigger and faster and the human body is at it's breaking point.

I think less games will help because it's less collisions. But I think that is the sole reason it will help. I don't think players getting tired or playing too many games is necessarily leading to more injuries (other than it's just more times being hit). So I don't think adding another bye will help lessen injuries but it will likely help with players getting back from injuries because it gives more weeks to heal.

I don't think there is a solution. Bodies are just bigger and faster now and that will lead to more injuries. Just like with pitcher injuries in baseball. Velocity is king so pitchers are maxing out effort, strength etc to get that velo and eventually the weak link (UCL) is going to pop. It's inevitable regardless of pitch counts, days of rest, etc. Bodies aren't meant for that stress and it will break.
 
They didnt need more games. They actually coulda got away with doing 15 games and giving 3 bye weeks.. 18 weeks of primetime games and TV money revenue.
At some point the powers that be will recognize that adding a bye week just adds more money, and teams would probably appreciate it. They didnt need to add a game to make more money.

No the children are wrong
 
I'd like a 12-14 game schedule closer to college football
This is way too many games/weeks
One of the appeals for a long time with the NFL was Sept-Dec unless you make the Playoffs but now it's all year long
College Football you lost 1 game and the season was about over but now you can lose at least 2 and still make it, maybe 3 if you play in the SEC

Week 2 Tua knocks himself out and lands on injured reserve, Phins just dangling from a fishing line right now
Week 7 Godwin dislocates his ankle

What other major injuries happened on Thursday Night to skill players?
I used to complain when Santa brought me too many gifts then I grew up an accepted it.

And how is the NFL year long? Still starts in September, playoffs just roll into mid February rather than January. Maybe you want to watch meaningless basketball games in Feb, I prefer football.
 
17 is way too many games. It's all about money, though, players be damned. The NFL would put 30 games on the schedule if they could.

NHL plays 82, is the physical impact that much worse in football?

Rugby probably has the right idea, 18 weeks with 16 games.
 
BTW I agree with @ghostguy123 , just make the season 18 weeks with two byes already.

As I understand it the argument again has always been related to media partners wanting marquee matchups every week and a second bye could impact that. It's a B.S. premise IMO. This is America, if American football is on television we're going to watch.
I reject the whole premise when the jaguars are playing back to back "marquee" games. Nobody looked at that preseason and thought it was a good idea from a competition standpoint, just that the Jags owner really really wants to take them to Europe.
 
BTW I agree with @ghostguy123 , just make the season 18 weeks with two byes already.

As I understand it the argument again has always been related to media partners wanting marquee matchups every week and a second bye could impact that. It's a B.S. premise IMO. This is America, if American football is on television we're going to watch.
I reject the whole premise when the jaguars are playing back to back "marquee" games. Nobody looked at that preseason and thought it was a good idea from a competition standpoint, just that the Jags owner really really wants to take them to Europe.
London almost always gets crummy games. Wasn't last year the first time they got a game featuring at least one team that did NOT have a losing record?

Anyone have the ratings for the London games? I'd be curious, particularly about the west coast numbers. 6:30am kickoff is a tough, tough time window for a Sunday.
 
I don't think all injuries are created equal. I also think that a lack of pre-season and learning how to fall, take hits, tackle, etc have diminished over the years to just big hits which lead to more injuries. In addition, the guys are bigger and faster and the human body is at it's breaking point.

I think less games will help because it's less collisions. But I think that is the sole reason it will help. I don't think players getting tired or playing too many games is necessarily leading to more injuries (other than it's just more times being hit). So I don't think adding another bye will help lessen injuries but it will likely help with players getting back from injuries because it gives more weeks to heal.

I don't think there is a solution. Bodies are just bigger and faster now and that will lead to more injuries. Just like with pitcher injuries in baseball. Velocity is king so pitchers are maxing out effort, strength etc to get that velo and eventually the weak link (UCL) is going to pop. It's inevitable regardless of pitch counts, days of rest, etc. Bodies aren't meant for that stress and it will break.
Spot on.
 
Topic for another Thread, but related. I've been opining for years here, that in addition to too many games, there are too many Teams.

Especially in this day and age when Players are getting stronger and faster, there simply aren't enough NFL-Starter-Caliber Players to go supply 32 Teams with a Roster comprised of legitimate 'starters', as well as backups/bench, that can replace an absent starter, and offer a reasonably sufficient quality of replacement play. Not just QB, although this is the most glaring deficiency. It's across all positions, when you look at all 32 Teams as an aggregate. Rosters, especially game-day Rosters, sure can't get any smaller. The most efficient way to fix that issue is to contract the League, and that is something I would welcome with open arms.

I know it's never going to happen, but a contraction back to 28 Teams, would do as much or more good, in terms of quality of play, for the NFL as reducing the # of games played, which I also agree with most everyone above who are saying 17+ is too many.

Short of contraction, I hope and pray that one day, there is a full-fledged NFL Developmental League, whose specific purpose is to employ marginal NFL prospects, especially QB's, and invest in whatever is necessary to get them to the point where there's a pipeline outside of the Draft, that offers a resource to develop more NFL-Starter-Caliber Players, because I'll plant a a flag with my belief that only somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of Players on NFL Rosters are actually good enough to be playing professional football at an acceptable level of competency.
 
I know it's never going to happen, but a contraction back to 28 Teams, would do as much or more good, in terms of quality of play, for the NFL as reducing the # of games played, which I also agree with most everyone above who are saying 17+ is too many.
The NFL does not care at all about quality of play. Since that is not a concern of theirs the contraction of teams does nothing for them.
 
I hope and pray that one day, there is a full-fledged NFL Developmental League, whose specific purpose is to employ marginal NFL prospects, especially QB's, and invest in whatever is necessary to get them to the point where there's a pipeline outside of the Draft, that offers a resource to develop more NFL-Starter-Caliber Players

nittany, I gotta tell you that I hope and pray the NFL still exists in any reasonable form in twenty years. Forget a new pipeline of guys who aren’t drafted. People are leaving the sport in droves. The damn thing/sport is almost unheard of in white suburbs in the Northeast. It’s getting expensive to insure and the numbers are plummeting everywhere.

I think really drastic changes are ahead. We’re in a golden age right now and we ought enjoy it. It’s not going to get better.

Better get our “I believe that we will win” chants ready for when we’re seventy.
 
Topic for another Thread, but related. I've been opining for years here, that in addition to too many games, there are too many Teams.

Especially in this day and age when Players are getting stronger and faster, there simply aren't enough NFL-Starter-Caliber Players to go supply 32 Teams with a Roster comprised of legitimate 'starters', as well as backups/bench, that can replace an absent starter, and offer a reasonably sufficient quality of replacement play. Not just QB, although this is the most glaring deficiency. It's across all positions, when you look at all 32 Teams as an aggregate. Rosters, especially game-day Rosters, sure can't get any smaller. The most efficient way to fix that issue is to contract the League, and that is something I would welcome with open arms.

I know it's never going to happen, but a contraction back to 28 Teams, would do as much or more good, in terms of quality of play, for the NFL as reducing the # of games played, which I also agree with most everyone above who are saying 17+ is too many.

Short of contraction, I hope and pray that one day, there is a full-fledged NFL Developmental League, whose specific purpose is to employ marginal NFL prospects, especially QB's, and invest in whatever is necessary to get them to the point where there's a pipeline outside of the Draft, that offers a resource to develop more NFL-Starter-Caliber Players, because I'll plant a a flag with my belief that only somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of Players on NFL Rosters are actually good enough to be playing professional football at an acceptable level of competency.
Disagree strongly. The are plenty of NFL caliber starting players, they just aren't on the right team or with the correct coach to demonstrate it. Darold, Mayfield, and Geno are an example. I suspect many teams wouldn't have Purdy at the level that he's at. What you have is a shortage of good coaches and GMs. Really that isn't even a shortage moreso than a lack of teams/positions to prove themselves.

The NBA has a development league and using the standard above there is only enough talent to supply 4 teams, maybe 8 tops.
 
Are we comparing 17 as opposed to 16 on the schedule? I'm good with it. Is 17 more than 16? Yes. Just glad we're not talking about going back to 12 games/season as the fantasy regular season would already be over.

Fully agree on negative comments regarding TNF. That to me is more of a concern vs adding 1 more game with respect to player safety.
 
I wish they had two bye weeks. Early/Late for each team.

Give some of these guys more opportunities to rest their bodies.
 

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