Winning record with shot at play-offs equals much better. That is what was traded for the future of the franchise. A few more weeks and the Pack can start looking forward to tommorow. Luckily for the Pack they'll be able to pad the W column with losing teams the rest of the way.
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How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (2 Viewers)
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
it is a very cool site. Peterson at 11 was the first thing i saw too, then i started noticing more and more oddities. Its a unique way of looking at things, but it relies on its own rankings for everything. It also doesnt appear to take weather or score into consideration when comparing plays. for example... If Andre Johnson catches a 15 yard pass at the 35 yardline on 3rd and 12 vs GB in the snow when his team is up by 3 in the 3rd he would get less "points" than if Roddy white catches a 15 yard pass at the 35 on 3rd and 12 in the dome when his team is trailing by 24 with 3 minutes left in the 4th against carolina. He would get less points because Carolina is ranked higher in their defensive rankings by one spot than GB. I think we could all agree the catch in GB in the snow is much harder than the catch in garbage time at home in the dome when getting slaughtered. I realize if you added in too many variables you wouldnt be able to use math anymore. But still very cool.Nice site. Looked at the running backs and they have A. Peterson listed at 11 with L. McClain above him. Also has C. Johnson below McClian. Thoughts?Edit: D. Ward #4?
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't know if they have a winning record with Favre right now.And, while its slim, with the Williams's suspension, they still have a longshot at the playoffs.a 2 game swing is not "much" better.Just like with your denying the defense is far worse...you are playing some semantics here and Im not going to keep doing it.This thread seems to not be saying they would do much better with him by consensus at all.
Agreed on the catch. Regarding this topic Defense ranked 16th last year and were ranked 9th this year.Offense ranked 4th last year and ranked 9th this yearit is a very cool site. Peterson at 11 was the first thing i saw too, then i started noticing more and more oddities. Its a unique way of looking at things, but it relies on its own rankings for everything. It also doesnt appear to take weather or score into consideration when comparing plays. for example... If Andre Johnson catches a 15 yard pass at the 35 yardline on 3rd and 12 vs GB in the snow when his team is up by 3 in the 3rd he would get less "points" than if Roddy white catches a 15 yard pass at the 35 on 3rd and 12 in the dome when his team is trailing by 24 with 3 minutes left in the 4th against carolina. He would get less points because Carolina is ranked higher in their defensive rankings by one spot than GB. I think we could all agree the catch in GB in the snow is much harder than the catch in garbage time at home in the dome when getting slaughtered. I realize if you added in too many variables you wouldnt be able to use math anymore. But still very cool.Nice site. Looked at the running backs and they have A. Peterson listed at 11 with L. McClain above him. Also has C. Johnson below McClian. Thoughts?Edit: D. Ward #4?
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See my post with data from Football outsiders. It shows the defense has improved according to the detailed stats at Football Outsiders and the Offense has went down in the rankings. This is adjusted
Defense Drive stats
Interesting that the defense is ranked higher in yds/drive but really bad in scoring. Then you notice they went from 5th in starting field position to 28th. Seems like they've been put in a lot of bad positions.
2008
Yds/drive 28.81 (14)
Pts/Drive 2.03 (20)
TD/Drive .229 (24)
LOS/DR 32.67 (28)
2007
Yds/Drive 28.99 (19)
Pts/Drive 1.55 (8)
TD/Drive .164 (6)
LOS/Drive 28.69 (5)
Interesting that the defense is ranked higher in yds/drive but really bad in scoring. Then you notice they went from 5th in starting field position to 28th. Seems like they've been put in a lot of bad positions.
2008
Yds/drive 28.81 (14)
Pts/Drive 2.03 (20)
TD/Drive .229 (24)
LOS/DR 32.67 (28)
2007
Yds/Drive 28.99 (19)
Pts/Drive 1.55 (8)
TD/Drive .164 (6)
LOS/Drive 28.69 (5)
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
CE - your link doesn't inlcude the Q&A that followed his prepared statement. I'm sure its still on Packers.com. He made a hypotheical reference to when McCarthy would ask him to pull a miracle at the end of a game with the Packers down, and said that he now had self-doubts in that situation and that he considered that in his retirement decision. He also said many times that he's given all he's got and that he may still be able to play but he's tired and doesn't want to play anymore. It was striking to me and I think to most fans. Its not an exact quote, but the point is not to bash Favre anyway. I am as big a Favre fan as anyone. The point of my (entire) comment is that Favre in recent years was/is no better in crunch time than what Rodgers has shown so far this season. I don't think this is a controversial point. I don't have the time to pull game logs from the past 5 years like other guys apparently have the time to do. I just know that - as with the Giants and Eagles playoff games I mentioned, it was a 50/50 proposition with him whether you'd get a killer interception or a touchdown (as in the MNF game in Denver the year before last) with the game on the line. I recall being at Lambeau - I think in 2006 - when he had that game-ending fumble in the red zone when a field goal would have tied the game against the hapless Rams. Those experiences built up an attitude for me over the recent years such that I did not consider Favre to be a crunch-time hero like Elway or Brady.Challenge Everything said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
So you chose to believe that site when it supports your argument...but when it ranks Favre behind Rodgers that far you don't like it?How about these stats. I caught this while watching the NFL Network replay tonight of the Panthers/Packers game.Aaron Rodgers is 4th in the NFL on 3rd down passing with a 106.8 rating. Also on 3rd down he has thrown 10 TDs which is best in the NFL.Favre? Not sure on his rank on 3rd down...but his rating is 71.1. A large chunk worse than Rodgers.Now again, I hate the rating number and its arbitrary, it has some uses but is not the end all be all stat at all.But that is a crazy difference for those of you who think Rodgers and the offense have struggled so much keeping drives alive.Favre has completed a bit higher percentage on 3rd down (something like 67% to Rodgers 64%) However, Brett's 4 TD to 7 INT ratio on 3rd down is far worse than Rodgers 10 TDs to 4 INTs on 3rd down. Rodgers also has the edge in yards per attempt on 3rd down at 8.2 to Favre's 6.5.Now...another interesting rating stat.When behind, Rodgers rating is 88.1.Favre's is 80.3.For all those that think Brett is just this come from behind master...Rodgers is outperforming him when his team has been behind and when his team is tied.I actually did not think it would be like that til I started looking.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.
You truely are nuts!And you were never realize what an absurd comparision you are trying to use here which will again be entertainment for all to watch as you try to spin this even though you..."never spin".
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Das Boot
Footballguy
How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now?
My guess is that the Packers are extremely happy with the play of Rodgers and feel comfortable they now have a young QB with many more good years ahead of him and who won't be an offseason distraction.
I'd also guess the Packers are equally pleased to see Favre doing so well with the Jets due to the improved draft pick they'll be receiving.
Packers Mgmt = Relieved / Satisfied
My guess is that the Packers are extremely happy with the play of Rodgers and feel comfortable they now have a young QB with many more good years ahead of him and who won't be an offseason distraction.
I'd also guess the Packers are equally pleased to see Favre doing so well with the Jets due to the improved draft pick they'll be receiving.
Packers Mgmt = Relieved / Satisfied
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
I'm sure they are with that 5-7 record 30-30 overall and probably missing the playoffs for 3 years out of the last 4. Thompson is also ignoring the media. I'm sure they are satisfied!
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.
Das Boot
Footballguy
In regards to their QB situation I agree, I'm sure they are satisfied.I'm also sure Packers Mgmt is very concerned about their team's Defensive weaknesses that have greatly contributed to the 5-7 record.I'm sure they are with that 5-7 record 30-30 overall and probably missing the playoffs for 3 years out of the last 4. Thompson is also ignoring the media. I'm sure they are satisfied!
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
So you want to compare QB rating for Favre with the Jets and Rodgers with GB when teams are behind. How does that come close to comparing how Favre would have done with the Packers this year or Rodgers if he was in a Jets uniform? How can you even use that stat? Of course you will.............you spin whatever you can and then have no clue what you look foolish.I like this comment too....."It's not spin...it the freakin QB rating." Oh really.......how has that rating done for Rodgers so far with that 0-4 mark in crunch time?Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.You truely are nuts!And you were never realize what an absurd comparision you are trying to use here which will again be entertainment for all to watch as you try to spin this even though you..."never spin".
Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.
Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info THAT I WILL SPIN AND SPIN AND SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.
Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.
Grow up.
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Challenge Everything
Footballguy
For the fourth or fifth time in recent days this thread drops to page 2 and even page 3 and guess who posts to resurrect it? You guess it.
I don't have hate for sho like he would like others to think. But, with that said I would like to congratulate him for his awesome devotion for posting many blah moments and reaching the highest level of posting... 400!!!!
We should all take a minute, or post, and give a round of applause.
I don't have hate for sho like he would like others to think. But, with that said I would like to congratulate him for his awesome devotion for posting many blah moments and reaching the highest level of posting... 400!!!!
We should all take a minute, or post, and give a round of applause.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im comparing how each QB has played in those situations...and said its not the end all be all.Its not saying totally that is how he would have done. Its comparing how they have actually done. Nothing more.So you want to compare QB rating for Favre with the Jets and Rodgers with GB when teams are behind. How does that come close to comparing how Favre would have done with the Packers this year or Rodgers if he was in a Jets uniform? How can you even use that stat? Of course you will.............you spin whatever you can and then have no clue what you look foolish.I like this comment too....."It's not spin...it the freakin QB rating." Oh really.......how has that rating done for Rodgers so far with that 0-4 mark in crunch time?Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.You truely are nuts!And you were never realize what an absurd comparision you are trying to use here which will again be entertainment for all to watch as you try to spin this even though you..."never spin".
Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.
Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info THAT I WILL SPIN AND SPIN AND SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.
Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.
Grow up.
You are the one now spinning the stat to something I was not totally comparing.
You not even trying to address the point and just yelling spin spin spin is what makes you look foolish.
At least you got to bring up the 0-4 thing again.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It was at the top of page 2.Hate is a strong word...but you clearly show that bias...and you are obsessed with how much I post in it.Discuss the topic...debate it...fine.But to make yet another post that is nothing more than bashing me shows you lack any maturity at all...its beyond ridiculous and needs to end or I have a feeling this thread will end. Maybe that is your goal. Act up just enough to get it locked. If so...so be it.For the fourth or fifth time in recent days this thread drops to page 2 and even page 3 and guess who posts to resurrect it? You guess it.I don't have hate for sho like he would like others to think. But, with that said I would like to congratulate him for his awesome devotion for posting many blah moments and reaching the highest level of posting... 400!!!!We should all take a minute, or post, and give a round of applause.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
How was that post bashing? I was congratulating you. Congrats.sho nuff said:It was at the top of page 2.Hate is a strong word...but you clearly show that bias...and you are obsessed with how much I post in it.Discuss the topic...debate it...fine.But to make yet another post that is nothing more than bashing me shows you lack any maturity at all...its beyond ridiculous and needs to end or I have a feeling this thread will end. Maybe that is your goal. Act up just enough to get it locked. If so...so be it.Challenge Everything said:For the fourth or fifth time in recent days this thread drops to page 2 and even page 3 and guess who posts to resurrect it? You guess it.I don't have hate for sho like he would like others to think. But, with that said I would like to congratulate him for his awesome devotion for posting many blah moments and reaching the highest level of posting... 400!!!!We should all take a minute, or post, and give a round of applause.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...there was no sarcasm in that.Nice try with the denial.How was that post bashing? I was congratulating you. Congrats.sho nuff said:It was at the top of page 2.Hate is a strong word...but you clearly show that bias...and you are obsessed with how much I post in it.Discuss the topic...debate it...fine.But to make yet another post that is nothing more than bashing me shows you lack any maturity at all...its beyond ridiculous and needs to end or I have a feeling this thread will end. Maybe that is your goal. Act up just enough to get it locked. If so...so be it.Challenge Everything said:For the fourth or fifth time in recent days this thread drops to page 2 and even page 3 and guess who posts to resurrect it? You guess it.I don't have hate for sho like he would like others to think. But, with that said I would like to congratulate him for his awesome devotion for posting many blah moments and reaching the highest level of posting... 400!!!!We should all take a minute, or post, and give a round of applause.
Never said it was wrong about Favre. I said having Peterson at 11 seemed an oddity especially with Mcllean ahead of him. Funny how you immediately try to discredit the site when it doesn't meet your needs.Once again your bring up Favre. Why when we are comparing Packers of last year to Packers of this year. To my knowledge Brett does not play for the Packers. Again more Favre comparisons. You bounce around a lot in what your focusing on.You stated the defense was MUCH worse than last year. Now for some reason your comparing Favre and Rogers which has nothing to do with the Packers offense and Defense. If you want to compare Favre to Rodgers you'd need to see the differnce in the Jets offense from last year to this year. Jets Team offense last year was ranked 24th and are 19th with Favre so far this year. So an improvement was made. I'll have to look at drive stats tommorow but I'm sure they are better also.sho nuff said:
Put them in close to the same situation say with almost all the same talent around them and see how it looks. I good example might be the 2007 Packers offense vs the 2008 Packers offense. In that comparison according to the numbers I posted from Football outsiders the 2007 Packers had a better offense.sho nuff said:Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.Phase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.sho nuff said:You truely are nuts!And you were never realize what an absurd comparision you are trying to use here which will again be entertainment for all to watch as you try to spin this even though you..."never spin".
Decided to see what type of improvement the Jets have had with Favre under center. I have to say it looks like a change for the better. Another point is that Favre is in a completely new system.
2008 Jets
Yds/Drive 33.10 (11)
Pts/drive 2.43 (3)
TD/drive .276 (4)
Drive Success Rate .729 (6)
2007 Jets
Yds/Drive 28.50 (16)
Pts/Drive 1.40 (23)
TD/Drive .126 (29)
Drive Success Rate .662 (19)
2008 Jets
Yds/Drive 33.10 (11)
Pts/drive 2.43 (3)
TD/drive .276 (4)
Drive Success Rate .729 (6)
2007 Jets
Yds/Drive 28.50 (16)
Pts/Drive 1.40 (23)
TD/Drive .126 (29)
Drive Success Rate .662 (19)
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Some pretty strong insults hereHow was that post bashing? I was congratulating you. Congrats.sho nuff said:It was at the top of page 2.Hate is a strong word...but you clearly show that bias...and you are obsessed with how much I post in it.Discuss the topic...debate it...fine.But to make yet another post that is nothing more than bashing me shows you lack any maturity at all...its beyond ridiculous and needs to end or I have a feeling this thread will end. Maybe that is your goal. Act up just enough to get it locked. If so...so be it.Challenge Everything said:For the fourth or fifth time in recent days this thread drops to page 2 and even page 3 and guess who posts to resurrect it? You guess it.I don't have hate for sho like he would like others to think. But, with that said I would like to congratulate him for his awesome devotion for posting many blah moments and reaching the highest level of posting... 400!!!!We should all take a minute, or post, and give a round of applause.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Tone it down a bit please- phPhase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
It is pathetic that now you want to use passer rating to try to help your case when earlier in this thread you were telling us it was a meaningless statistic.sho nuff said:
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I did not discredit the site...nor did I give it any value when it ranked Rodgers ahead actually.Im comparing how the 2 QBs have played this season. If we are talking about how Favre might do...looking at how he has played might give some insight.Again, since he is not with GB, its not the end all be all...but its a start.Yes...I stated defense was much worse. The actual numbers bear that out. You denied it...said something along the lines of far worse would be going from 5th to 20th...of course you ignored after I posted that they went from 6th to 23rd in points allowed.The difference in the Jets from last year to this year is not comparing Favre to Rodgers. Its comparing Favre to Pennington/Clemmens. Rodgers was not the QB of the Jets last year. The Jets have also made other moves besides Rodgers...your comparison is part of the equation...but not all of it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I have compared their numbers through 12 games. Favre has more yards and 2 more passing TDs...equal in INTs...Rodgers added the 4 passing TDs.Yes, they had a better offense last year (I have never denied that or said otherwise...in fact, I have said over and over a dropoff was expected...but the bigger dropoff is by far the defense and you are the only one on this board who does not seem to understand that)Put them in close to the same situation say with almost all the same talent around them and see how it looks. I good example might be the 2007 Packers offense vs the 2008 Packers offense. In that comparison according to the numbers I posted from Football outsiders the 2007 Packers had a better offense.sho nuff said:Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.Phase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.sho nuff said:You truely are nuts!And you were never realize what an absurd comparision you are trying to use here which will again be entertainment for all to watch as you try to spin this even though you..."never spin".
sho nuff
Footballguy
Great...thanks...you proved what we all knew.Brett Favre > Chad Pennignton and Kellen ClemensThough, is this thread about the Jets decision to go with Favre or the Packers decision to go with Rodgers?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Go ahead and read what I wrote...where I hate the number and don't think its the end all be all...but it has some uses.Or...just keep up this crap and writing it all off rather than even trying to respond on topic.It is pathetic that now you want to use passer rating to try to help your case when earlier in this thread you were telling us it was a meaningless statistic.sho nuff said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
Interesting article on McCarthy trusting Rodgers and the supposed conservative playcalling...
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35519619.html
bcr8f
Footballguy
We expected bumps in the road. The real problem has been been defense.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Why don't you look at Pennington's production and ask if he is the better QB.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
You're being deliberately obtuse. Yes, Thompson has a ton of issues to deal with - but as FAR AS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD - the trade of Favre to make way for Rodgers - I am sure management is more than satisfied. Talk aboutPhase of the Game said:I'm sure they are with that 5-7 record 30-30 overall and probably missing the playoffs for 3 years out of the last 4. Thompson is also ignoring the media. I'm sure they are satisfied!Boot said:
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
At this point I hope the Packers finish strong. I am ambivilent about them making the playoffs, which seems unlikely. Were they to make the playoffs I do not see them having success. I guess, rather than one and done I would prefer to see them lick some wounds, get healthy, feel angry, and draft high. I would prefer the organization have time to construct a good off season plan. I would prefer they have extra time to address thier free agency needs and to take care of their surgeries early. I would prefer then that they consider the free agency crop and spend the extra time scouting and prepping for the draft.
Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.
I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.
Ultimately I do not think this team is far away from being a legit contender. If they can get healthy early, maybe get an impact D-lineman in F.A. and then add some help on the O-line in the draft and some youth at D.B. this team could be very competitive. their skill positions are fine. I believe they are close, but I actually believe making the playoffs this year would set them back.
I am somewhat disappointed in this year, but I feel a down year occassionally is sometimes necessary to take a step forward. I generally like the direction of the club.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
And here I was thinking the move to Rodgers was about the future. Thanks for making it clear all that matters is 2008.Put them in close to the same situation say with almost all the same talent around them and see how it looks. I good example might be the 2007 Packers offense vs the 2008 Packers offense. In that comparison according to the numbers I posted from Football outsiders the 2007 Packers had a better offense.sho nuff said:Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.Phase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.sho nuff said:
The numbers showed overall they are a better defense. Please re-check. They are giving up more points but allowing fewer yards per drive. This tells us that just possibly the offense is not doing as well. Which the numbers show. The big difference on the defense is where it has had to start defending. For example the 3 and 29 yd line in the saints game.
I have compared their numbers through 12 games. Favre has more yards and 2 more passing TDs...equal in INTs...Rodgers added the 4 passing TDs.Yes, they had a better offense last year (I have never denied that or said otherwise...in fact, I have said over and over a dropoff was expected...but the bigger dropoff is by far the defense and you are the only one on this board who does not seem to understand that)Put them in close to the same situation say with almost all the same talent around them and see how it looks. I good example might be the 2007 Packers offense vs the 2008 Packers offense. In that comparison according to the numbers I posted from Football outsiders the 2007 Packers had a better offense.sho nuff said:Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.Phase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.sho nuff said:You truely are nuts!And you were never realize what an absurd comparision you are trying to use here which will again be entertainment for all to watch as you try to spin this even though you..."never spin".
sho nuff
Footballguy
The "adjusted" numbers on that site show that.The actual numbers do not agree.Unless allowing 6+ points per game more, 40 rushing yards per game more, and 11 more rushing TDs through 12 game compared to all of last year is somehow better.It also tells us that possibly special teams sucks hind end too.Wow...shocking you found another reason to bump the 3 and 29.How about these that you continue to ignore?70 yard TD, 41 yard scoring drive (after a 24 yard punt)76 yard scoring drive20 yard scoring drive for a FG (after a 62 yard kickoff return).80 yard scoring driveOnly one of those had much to do with the offense...but a 24 yard punt made it worse...and all of those happened prior to the 3 and the 29.Quit excusing poor play by this defense.Field position or not...40 yards per game more on the ground is not better.6+ points per game is not better.11 more TDs through 12 games as compared to 16 games last season is not better.No amount of spin or adjusted stats is going to help you there.
That does not show you how well Favre would have played with the Packers. Maybe I am but it still does not mean you are correct. The defense is giving up 6 pts more per game than last year. Not a huge drop off. They have improved in all categories expect scoring and starting LOS. This shows that the offensive drop off in EVERY category has effected the defense. Once again points that are put up on the board are not always scored by the offense or given up by the defense. Take for example the fact that this year the team has put up fewer points yet the defense has improved it's scoring (49 points to date). Just for fun I'll say defending from your on side of the field generally gives up 3 or more points per drive.This is an offensive issue.I have compared their numbers through 12 games. Favre has more yards and 2 more passing TDs...equal in INTs...Rodgers added the 4 passing TDs.Yes, they had a better offense last year (I have never denied that or said otherwise...in fact, I have said over and over a dropoff was expected...but the bigger dropoff is by far the defense and you are the only one on this board who does not seem to understand that)Put them in close to the same situation say with almost all the same talent around them and see how it looks. I good example might be the 2007 Packers offense vs the 2008 Packers offense. In that comparison according to the numbers I posted from Football outsiders the 2007 Packers had a better offense.sho nuff said:Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.Phase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.sho nuff said:
Then why do you keep comparing Favres numbers as a Jet with Rodgers numbers as a Packer. What the above stats show is that Favre had a positive impact on his team and Rodgers a negative impact on his. Outside of that comparing the numbers is not useful so what don't you just drop Favre as a Jet from the equation.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It showed how he played with this team last season. You keep talking about 2007 offense...Im giving you his actual numbers where he was 2nd in MVP voting and how Rodgers numbers are not far off.Sure...he could have played better this year...he could have also played worse.Not a huge dropoff? How is over 6 points a game not a huge dropoff to you? It moves them from #6 to #23. That is ridiculously huge.They have not improved in sacks. In rushing yards against.You are taking one sites adjusted stats and thinking its the end all be all.This is a defensive issue...and you continue to be the only person on this board who does not see this.
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Footballguy
Because that is how they are actually playing. Its all I have this year to compare. How they are actually playing this year.Ive also brought up last year's numbers with Brett as a Packer...but you did not like those either.You prefer to compare Favre's numbers to Clemmens and Pennington.Yes...he and others have had a positive impact on their team over who they replaced. Nobody has denied that.
2008Yds per drive 29.47 (15)
Pts Per drive 2.02 (12)
TD per drive .218 (13)
Drive success rate .684 (14)
2007
Yard per drive 32.75 (6)
Pts Per Drive 2.18 (5)
TD per drive .238 (6)
Drive Success Rate .689 (10)
Interesting that the offense has dropped in scoring categories.
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Footballguy
6 points per game is not much to you...but a drive success rate drop of .005 is?Or a TD per drive of .02?
You have serious issues and are not obsessed with some stats you just found.
Because that would be as pointless as what this was posted in response to. The only comparison that needs to be made in this thread is Favre with the Packer personnel last year to Aaron with the Packer personnel this year.
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Footballguy
I posted their individual numbers...you did not seem to like that either.Your response was..."That does not show you how well Favre would have played with the Packers. "
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The Packers should end up with a winning record. The teams they play down the stretch are terrible.You're being deliberately obtuse. Yes, Thompson has a ton of issues to deal with - but as FAR AS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD - the trade of Favre to make way for Rodgers - I am sure management is more than satisfied. Talk aboutPhase of the Game said:I'm sure they are with that 5-7 record 30-30 overall and probably missing the playoffs for 3 years out of the last 4. Thompson is also ignoring the media. I'm sure they are satisfied!Boot said:
What does what you just posted have anything to do with this conversation?These posts discussed some of the following:1. Favre bringing a team from behind versus Rodgers bringing a team from behind.2. What is happening now, not in the future.3. Comparing Brett as a Jet with Rodgers as a packer not being a god comparison4. About a better comparison being Brett with the same personnel vs Aaron with the same peronnel (or as close as possible).So if this post was an attempt to be funny or some such it just didn't happen. If it was meant to be an intelligent response to the conversation, then I missed the point. If it was a post just to post then you succeed. Thanks for trying though.And here I was thinking the move to Rodgers was about the future. Thanks for making it clear all that matters is 2008.Put them in close to the same situation say with almost all the same talent around them and see how it looks. I good example might be the 2007 Packers offense vs the 2008 Packers offense. In that comparison according to the numbers I posted from Football outsiders the 2007 Packers had a better offense.sho nuff said:Spewing crap and spinning.THose are the numbers...I simply posted them and prefaced it with its not the end all be all.Why is it an absurd comparison. All this talk of how Brett would have done this or that...yet Aaron Rodgers right now, this year is outperforming that QB in those situation.Of course its not all the same as they play for different teams. But its a bit of info.Its not spin...its the freakin QB rating.Just because you don't like the results does not make it spin.Grow up.Phase of the Game said:This is another example of you spewing crap and spinning that will make you look like a complete fool once again.sho nuff said:
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