Humanitarian crisis at US border (1 Viewer)

[Parrothead]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

 

[Joe T]

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[timschochet]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

 

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I don't disagree with you about the problems involved Ka El, but what is to be done? Are we really going to take Icon's advice and not feed these children and send them packing? Is that who we are? I'd be ashamed if our government did that, wouldn't you?

You guys keep raising other questions:

What to do about illegal immigration?

Shouldn't we build a fence?

What about the starving and malnourished children already here?

What about the starving children around the world?

If we feed these children, what do we do with them afterwards?

These are all good questions, and I've tried to answer them. But none of them are pertinent to the IMMEDIATE issue: there are starving children on our border, begging us to feed and shelter them. Can we turn them away? Most of you here are Christians. Can you turn them away?

I can. I can turn them away. Give the job to me since you don't have the stomach to face reality and to do what needs to be done. Somebody has to cull the herds. At some point the lifeboat is full and you cannot take on another soul without sinking the boat and dooming everyone inside. Compassion un-tempered by sense is lunacy. You are a lunatic. You can congratulate yourself on your high minded compassion which of course is paid for by the labor of others, but in the end all you do is forestall problems until they become far worse.

Post of the thread.

 

[Jayrod]

Tim is California-style liberalism at its finest. Take care of everyone with a hand out, the consequences be damned. The main problem with that is that it starts with children and then the floodgates open and it becomes aid to anyone willing to shout loud enough....and then you are broke.

Ever hear of the story about the goose that laid the golden egg? That is the US. Once you gut the goose, no more golden eggs and everyone suffers. EVERYONE. We HAVE to keep things under control and despite the OMG, think of the children!!!! reasons, there must be something done about border security or eventually Canada is going to be having these same discussions.

Actually my beliefs about immigration stem from libertarianism, not liberalism. It was one of the essential elements that attracted me to the libertarian movement back in the day: free trade and open immigration. It remains, for me, a core ideal.As for feeding and taking care of hungry children who arrive at our doorstep, since when did that become a liberal idea? I thought it was simply a humane response.

The government taking care of immigrants is not libertarian. You are taking the libertarian idea of open immigration and extending it to the liberal idea of feeding, housing and educating immigrants.

And I'm all for taking care of hungry children on the individual and private level. But when it becomes a public, governmental responsibility that is not humanity, but a political idea which is closer to socialistic than libertarianism. Libertarianism is about freedom, not governmental care.

 

[Parrothead]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

well, from the looks of it, you aren't giving enough.. dig deeper- or do you want these kids to starve?

 

[Joe T]

What's the problem with building a big wall?

Seems like a much cheaper way than paying a ton of police to patrol everywhere. Probably more effective too.

Because that's not what we're about. And because it would seriously impact our trade and relations with Mexico and Latin America in general. And because it would be viewed, correctly, as racist (since there is no talk of a wall on our northern border.)

And there goes the last bit of credibility the word "racist" had.

If you put a wall on our southern border, and not on our northern border, how can anyone NOT regard that as racially motivated?

classic

 

[timschochet]

I plan on sending $100, which is about what I can afford right now. I suppose the best way is the Red Cross, though I'm looking to see if there's a more direct charity for these children.

 

[timschochet]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

well, from the looks of it, you aren't giving enough.. dig deeper- or do you want these kids to starve?

It would certainly help if more people gave more money, that's true.

 

[Parrothead]

I plan on sending $100, which is about what I can afford right now. I suppose the best way is the Red Cross, though I'm looking to see if there's a more direct charity for these children.

Only $100??? You're mouth (fingers) have written a check for at least $1,000,000,000 in this thread.. the least you can do is back it up!!

 

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The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

TIM: WE HAVE TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN!

US: Sure buddy... what's your address...we'll send them over

TIM: My house is full, sorry.

TIM: WE HAVE TO FEED AND SHELTER THESE PEOPLE

US: Sure buddy...where do we send the tab

TIM: I gave at the front desk already... I'm not giving any more.

Typical.

 

[timschochet]

Tim is California-style liberalism at its finest. Take care of everyone with a hand out, the consequences be damned. The main problem with that is that it starts with children and then the floodgates open and it becomes aid to anyone willing to shout loud enough....and then you are broke.

Ever hear of the story about the goose that laid the golden egg? That is the US. Once you gut the goose, no more golden eggs and everyone suffers. EVERYONE. We HAVE to keep things under control and despite the OMG, think of the children!!!! reasons, there must be something done about border security or eventually Canada is going to be having these same discussions.

Actually my beliefs about immigration stem from libertarianism, not liberalism. It was one of the essential elements that attracted me to the libertarian movement back in the day: free trade and open immigration. It remains, for me, a core ideal.As for feeding and taking care of hungry children who arrive at our doorstep, since when did that become a liberal idea? I thought it was simply a humane response.

The government taking care of immigrants is not libertarian. You are taking the libertarian idea of open immigration and extending it to the liberal idea of feeding, housing and educating immigrants.

I never wrote that it did. But as for the latter, again is it really a liberal idea? I thought most Republicans believe in a safety net.

 

[Jayrod]

Tim is California-style liberalism at its finest. Take care of everyone with a hand out, the consequences be damned. The main problem with that is that it starts with children and then the floodgates open and it becomes aid to anyone willing to shout loud enough....and then you are broke.

Ever hear of the story about the goose that laid the golden egg? That is the US. Once you gut the goose, no more golden eggs and everyone suffers. EVERYONE. We HAVE to keep things under control and despite the OMG, think of the children!!!! reasons, there must be something done about border security or eventually Canada is going to be having these same discussions.

Actually my beliefs about immigration stem from libertarianism, not liberalism. It was one of the essential elements that attracted me to the libertarian movement back in the day: free trade and open immigration. It remains, for me, a core ideal.As for feeding and taking care of hungry children who arrive at our doorstep, since when did that become a liberal idea? I thought it was simply a humane response.

The government taking care of immigrants is not libertarian. You are taking the libertarian idea of open immigration and extending it to the liberal idea of feeding, housing and educating immigrants.

I never wrote that it did. But as for the latter, again is it really a liberal idea? I thought most Republicans believe in a safety net.

And those Republicans would be supporting a liberal idea which the libertarian movement is against.

 

[matttyl]

I plan on sending $100, which is about what I can afford right now. I suppose the best way is the Red Cross, though I'm looking to see if there's a more direct charity for these children.

Your local Salvation Army would be a great place. I work with my local chapter and they do about as much as they can with what they are given.

 

[matttyl]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

well, from the looks of it, you aren't giving enough.. dig deeper- or do you want these kids to starve?

It would certainly help if more people gave more money, that's true.

Ok, but are you for forcing them to do so because their government is spending that money for them and needs to be reimbursed?

 

[timschochet]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

TIM: WE HAVE TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN!

US: Sure buddy... what's your address...we'll send them over

TIM: My house is full, sorry.

TIM: WE HAVE TO FEED AND SHELTER THESE PEOPLE

US: Sure buddy...where do we send the tab

TIM: I gave at the front desk already... I'm not giving any more.

Typical.

If I was a billionaire I would pay to feed all of these kids. But I'm not. I can only hope that plenty of other people will help out, and along with my rather paltry and small contribution, we can all make a difference. How that makes me a hypocrite I'm not exactly sure.

 

[timschochet]

I plan on sending $100, which is about what I can afford right now. I suppose the best way is the Red Cross, though I'm looking to see if there's a more direct charity for these children.

Your local Salvation Army would be a great place. I work with my local chapter and they do about as much as they can with what they are given.

Thx

 

[Joe T]

What's the problem with building a big wall?

Seems like a much cheaper way than paying a ton of police to patrol everywhere. Probably more effective too.

Because that's not what we're about. And because it would seriously impact our trade and relations with Mexico and Latin America in general. And because it would be viewed, correctly, as racist (since there is no talk of a wall on our northern border.)

And there goes the last bit of credibility the word "racist" had.

If you put a wall on our southern border, and not on our northern border, how can anyone NOT regard that as racially motivated?

My God.

I always thought Timmy was about 50% schtick, however with that last one I am pushing it closer to 99%. There's no way any semi intelligent person would think this right?

I've pinpointed the assumption you've made that is troubling.

 

[timschochet]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

well, from the looks of it, you aren't giving enough.. dig deeper- or do you want these kids to starve?

It would certainly help if more people gave more money, that's true.

Ok, but are you for forcing them to do so because their government is spending that money for them and needs to be reimbursed?

I would yes. I believe that is a proper role of government.

 

[Parrothead]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

TIM: WE HAVE TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN!

US: Sure buddy... what's your address...we'll send them over

TIM: My house is full, sorry.

TIM: WE HAVE TO FEED AND SHELTER THESE PEOPLE

US: Sure buddy...where do we send the tab

TIM: I gave at the front desk already... I'm not giving any more.

Typical.

If I was a billionaire I would pay to feed all of these kids. But I'm not. I can only hope that plenty of other people will help out, and along with my rather paltry and small contribution, we can all make a difference. How that makes me a hypocrite I'm not exactly sure.

every time you post, another little immigrant baby starves..

 

[timschochet]

Tim is California-style liberalism at its finest. Take care of everyone with a hand out, the consequences be damned. The main problem with that is that it starts with children and then the floodgates open and it becomes aid to anyone willing to shout loud enough....and then you are broke.

Ever hear of the story about the goose that laid the golden egg? That is the US. Once you gut the goose, no more golden eggs and everyone suffers. EVERYONE. We HAVE to keep things under control and despite the OMG, think of the children!!!! reasons, there must be something done about border security or eventually Canada is going to be having these same discussions.

Actually my beliefs about immigration stem from libertarianism, not liberalism. It was one of the essential elements that attracted me to the libertarian movement back in the day: free trade and open immigration. It remains, for me, a core ideal.As for feeding and taking care of hungry children who arrive at our doorstep, since when did that become a liberal idea? I thought it was simply a humane response.

The government taking care of immigrants is not libertarian. You are taking the libertarian idea of open immigration and extending it to the liberal idea of feeding, housing and educating immigrants.

I never wrote that it did. But as for the latter, again is it really a liberal idea? I thought most Republicans believe in a safety net.

And those Republicans would be supporting a liberal idea which the libertarian movement is against.

It's not a liberal idea. But you're correct that the libertarian movement would be opposed. It's one of the key reasons, though not the only one, why I am no l no longer a libertarian.

 

[timschochet]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

TIM: WE HAVE TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN!

US: Sure buddy... what's your address...we'll send them over

TIM: My house is full, sorry.

TIM: WE HAVE TO FEED AND SHELTER THESE PEOPLE

US: Sure buddy...where do we send the tab

TIM: I gave at the front desk already... I'm not giving any more.

Typical.

If I was a billionaire I would pay to feed all of these kids. But I'm not. I can only hope that plenty of other people will help out, and along with my rather paltry and small contribution, we can all make a difference. How that makes me a hypocrite I'm not exactly sure.

every time you post, another little immigrant baby starves..

Are you trying to make me feel guilty because I haven't done more to help? I do feel guilty.

 

[Parrothead]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

TIM: WE HAVE TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN!

US: Sure buddy... what's your address...we'll send them over

TIM: My house is full, sorry.

TIM: WE HAVE TO FEED AND SHELTER THESE PEOPLE

US: Sure buddy...where do we send the tab

TIM: I gave at the front desk already... I'm not giving any more.

Typical.

If I was a billionaire I would pay to feed all of these kids. But I'm not. I can only hope that plenty of other people will help out, and along with my rather paltry and small contribution, we can all make a difference. How that makes me a hypocrite I'm not exactly sure.

every time you post, another little immigrant baby starves..

Are you trying to make me feel guilty because I haven't done more to help? I do feel guilty.

there goes another one.. dammit

 

[humpback]

I plan on sending $100, which is about what I can afford right now. I suppose the best way is the Red Cross, though I'm looking to see if there's a more direct charity for these children.

How about you get off this board and get to work so you'll have more money to donate. Talk about a win/win/win!!!

 

[Joe T]

and most of those who disagree with me on this issue, are racist.

Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist!

(And a homophobe111!!!)

 

[timschochet]

and most of those who disagree with me on this issue, are racist.

Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist!

(And a homophobe111!!!)

Nice editing job.

 

[timschochet]

I plan on sending $100, which is about what I can afford right now. I suppose the best way is the Red Cross, though I'm looking to see if there's a more direct charity for these children.

How about you get off this board and get to work so you'll have more money to donate. Talk about a win/win/win!!!

Good idea. Catch you guys later!

 

[Joe T]

Who posted in: Humanitarian crisis at US border

Member name Posts

timschochet 24

[icon] 6

Christo 6

Rove! 6

jonessed 4

quickhands 4

Ooooof

Unfortunately, though I'm getting an awful lot of "likes" for my posts, there doesn't seem to be anyone who wants to come in here and face down the crowd other than me. If there were, I would certainly post less.

You have two "liked" posts in this thread

This thread is a goldmine of laughs. Damnit. I have to head to lunch.

 

[The Commish]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So it's a conscious choice by the US to sit and watch while our own are drowning? I'll ask a third time....have you researched why our own are homeless and severely malnourished?

There are lots of reasons why we have homeless. Actually I have read a bit on this subject. But rather than guess at your point, why don't you just spell it out? I'll be happy to respond.

So why are our own homeless and severely malnourished going unaddressed? You're spoonfed enough around here. I'm not going to contribute to the problem. And it's NOT a trick question...it's not even political though politicians do use it to stump on.

 

[Kevrunner]

Out of all of the posts/threads that Tim has been involved with, this is the thread where he clearly has "jumped the shark".

 

[matttyl]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

well, from the looks of it, you aren't giving enough.. dig deeper- or do you want these kids to starve?

It would certainly help if more people gave more money, that's true.

Ok, but are you for forcing them to do so because their government is spending that money for them and needs to be reimbursed?

I would yes. I believe that is a proper role of government.

To spend other people's money? Sounds a lot like socialism here....

 

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Tim really good about making demands that OTHER people do something about it.

 

[timschochet]

Tim really good about making demands that OTHER people do something about it.

That is one of the proper roles of government. Suppose you were a pacifist and believed in no military at all? The government would still be justified in taxing you and using part of those taxes to pay for a military.

We live in a pluralistic society. There are LOTS of things I want money spent on: infrastructure, a more directed energy policy, better education for all. Compared to these, feeding and sheltering a few thousand children is a pretty minor cost. But it IS important, and I think we should all be forced to pay for it.

 

[timschochet]

The lifeboat is nowhere near full, guys. Plenty of seats left.

So when does your first adoption go through?

My house is full. The nation is not.

so you can donate money instead, right?

Yes, and I have, and will continue to do so. My usual concern is that it never gets to the right place. But I'll do it anyhow.

well, from the looks of it, you aren't giving enough.. dig deeper- or do you want these kids to starve?

It would certainly help if more people gave more money, that's true.

Ok, but are you for forcing them to do so because their government is spending that money for them and needs to be reimbursed?

I would yes. I believe that is a proper role of government.

To spend other people's money? Sounds a lot like socialism here....

Then you have a misguided view of socialism, no offense. I am not calling for the government to take over the means of production. I am for a safety net; that's all.

 

[timschochet]

Out of all of the posts/threads that Tim has been involved with, this is the thread where he clearly has "jumped the shark".

Really? I've had some pretty controversial opinions in this forum. This isn't one of them. Is feeding children especially controversial?

 

[Parrothead]

there are about to be millions of starving Iraqi children.. can they join the party?

 

[Jayrod]

Out of all of the posts/threads that Tim has been involved with, this is the thread where he clearly has "jumped the shark".

Really? I've had some pretty controversial opinions in this forum. This isn't one of them. Is feeding children especially controversial?

Feeding kids? No. Feeding the entire world's kids on the US dime? Yes.

 

[Joe T]

I'm kind of surprised that no one else came up with the idea that we should feed all hungry kids in the world.

 

[jamny]

Boehner urges military help for border crisis

WASHINGTON (AP) — The leader of the U.S. House of Representatives urged President Barack Obama on Friday to send troops to the Mexican border to help deal with the surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America, calling it a "national security and humanitarian crisis."

In a letter to the president, Speaker John r Boehner blamed Obama administration policies for the huge increase in children making their way here from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, and said the president must act.

The speaker's letter underscores that the issue has increasingly become a political problem for the Obama administration, which had hoped to spend the spring and summer pressuring House Republicans to pass comprehensive immigration legislation but is now increasingly occupied with the unaccompanied minor issue.

Boehner made no mention in his letter of immigration legislation and the House appears to have no inclination to move on it, particularly after the surprise primary defeat last week of Majority Leader Eric Cantor at the hands of a conservative who accused him of supporting "amnesty."

Boehner said the troops could help ensure the safety of the children and their families. And he said the State Department should work with Central American nations to help speed processing times to return children and families to their countries and to make sure that people know of the dangers of heading north.

"The policies of your administration have directly resulted in the belief by these immigrants that once they reach U.S. soil, they will be able to stay here indefinitely," Boehner wrote.

"While we understand that many of these individuals are coming to this country to escape violence and hardship in their home country, the current climate along the border and our enforcement policies are only encouraging them to risk their lives and those of their children. It is time that we confront the crisis along the border head-on through immediate and aggressive action."

The Border Patrol says the number of minors coming from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras has soared more than 1,000 percent. Administration officials have said it's largely because of conditions in their home countries, but there's also a belief among some of the migrants that they would be allowed to stay once in the U.S.

The White House had no immediate response to Boehner

 

[Parrothead]

I'm kind of surprised that no one else came up with the idea that we should feed all hungry kids in the world.

Feeeeeed the woooorrrrld.. let them know its Christmastime again..

 

[jonessed]

If trying to build a safety net to educate, feed, and shelter the children of the world isn't considered a socialist idea I don't know what is.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I'm kind of surprised that no one else came up with the idea that we should feed all hungry kids in the world.

Feeeeeed the woooorrrrld.. let them know its Christmastime again..

There comes a time

When we heed a certain call

 

[Parrothead]

has anyone asked Bono for help?

 

[timschochet]

By the way, this (immigration reform) is not a "conservatives are guilty" issue, by any means. If anything, Democrats are just as guilty, IMO. I believe the Democratic party would rather use this issue as a means to bludgeon Republicans and garner Latino support rather than really try to solve it.

 

[timschochet]

Who is talking about feeding the entire world? Not me. It would certainly be better for us if we tried.

But in this thread, all I'm talking about is feeding the children who have risked their lives to come to our borders, rather than turning them away.

 

[timschochet]

Out of all of the posts/threads that Tim has been involved with, this is the thread where he clearly has "jumped the shark".

Really? I've had some pretty controversial opinions in this forum. This isn't one of them. Is feeding children especially controversial?

Feeding kids? No. Feeding the entire world's kids on the US dime? Yes.

You're better than this.

 

[timschochet]

If trying to build a safety net to educate, feed, and shelter the children of the world isn't considered a socialist idea I don't know what is.

You're better than this. Well, maybe not.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Who is talking about feeding the entire world? Not me. It would certainly be better for us if we tried.

But in this thread, all I'm talking about is feeding the children who have risked their lives to come to our borders, rather than turning them away.

Sandwich, chips, and a cookie and then send them home?

How long do you feed them?

 

[Parrothead]

teach them how to cook.. problem solved

 

[timschochet]

Girl Scout: Excuse me sir, will you buy some Girl Scout cookies? It's for a good cause.

Icon/Jayrod/jonessed: I'd like to. But the problem is that if I buy from you, then I'll have to buy from EVERY GIRL SCOUT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! And I can't afford that. So sorry, no.