I have seen so many on this site dog C. Rogers (1 Viewer)

[Wyld Stallyns]

If the Lions can use Rogers as the deep threat they're claiming to be doing this year. Maybe he can become a poor man's Ashley Lelie.

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[SSOG]

Wow.  First it was stated that those teams don't draft WRs in the first round, then you changed it to the last couple of years.  You aren't making alot of sense here.  Which one is it?  And how does a team not drafting a WR in the first round the last couple of years mean anything?  Your logic seems to be lost.

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Step 1: Read.Step 2: Comprehend.

Step 3: Post.

The original point was that teams do not draft a WR in the first round when they think they already have two high-quality WRs. The most recent examples of that are the post-Wayne Colts, and the post-Fitzgerald Cardinals. Heck, even the post-Lelie Broncos were an example (until they decided that Lelie wasn't going to amount to much and Rod Smith turned 36).

Even if you missed the point the first time around (which obviously involves skipping straight from step 1 to step 3), I REITERATED the point again, using the Moore/Perriman Lions and the Smith/McCaffrey Broncos as additional examples of a team with two great WRs being unwilling to draft another WR in the first couple of rounds.

Premise: Teams who are satisfied with their two WRs do not draft WRs in the first few rounds.

Situation: Detroit drafted Mike Williams in the top-10.

Conclusion: Detroit was not satisfied with their two WRs at the time.

How is this that hard of a concept to grasp?

This is a rediculous statement. If Rogers never plays again, he will go down in history as just another highly touted player whose career was sidelined by injuries from which he never recovered. Leaf never had major injuries, and made a spectacle of himself with outbursts in the press. There is no comparison between the two other than draft position.

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It wasn't a ridiculous statement in the slightest. First off, he was fully healthy last season and he was still a steaming pile of suck. Second off, his team wasn't trying to recoup $10 million in signing bonuses because of INJURIES... they were trying to recoup $10 million in signing bonuses because Rodgers was a dum-dum who constantly flunked drug tests.All of that aside, though... a draft bust is a player whose production never warrents how high he was selected. Charles Rodgers was drafted #2 overall. For a player to be a bigger bust, they would have to have been drafted higher and produced the same or worse. No WR drafted as high or higher than Rodgers has ever failed as spectacularly (for whatever reason you choose to believe) as Charles Rodgers has. I predict that he will continue to suck and will wash out of the NFL, which would make him the biggest WR bust in the history of the NFL. If he starts producing suddenly, then my prediction was wrong, and he wasn't the biggest WR bust in history. If he doesn't start producing, then my prediction was right and he WAS the biggest WR bust in history.

You might not think it's fair that a player is labeled a bust when his career was derailed by injuries. First off, I don't think that the injuries have been the primary cause of Rodgers' suck. Second off, even if injuries WERE the primary cause... what about Paul Tovessi? What about Kellen Winslow Jr.? These are two guys whose careers have gone nowhere because of injuries, and who are widely considered busts (although there's still time for Winslow to shake the label).

And before you talk about how Winslow's career was set back by his own stupidity... I'd like to point out that Rodgers failing drug tests was every bit as stupid, and a whole lot more illegal, as Winslow getting a motorcycle.

 

[Bri]

Wow.  First it was stated that those teams don't draft WRs in the first round, then you changed it to the last couple of years.  You aren't making alot of sense here.  Which one is it?  And how does a team not drafting a WR in the first round the last couple of years mean anything?  Your logic seems to be lost.

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Step 1: Read.Step 2: Comprehend.

Step 3: Post.

The original point was that teams do not draft a WR in the first round when they think they already have two high-quality WRs. The most recent examples of that are the post-Wayne Colts, and the post-Fitzgerald Cardinals. Heck, even the post-Lelie Broncos were an example (until they decided that Lelie wasn't going to amount to much and Rod Smith turned 36).

Even if you missed the point the first time around (which obviously involves skipping straight from step 1 to step 3), I REITERATED the point again, using the Moore/Perriman Lions and the Smith/McCaffrey Broncos as additional examples of a team with two great WRs being unwilling to draft another WR in the first couple of rounds.

1. Read2.These

3. Facts

Broncos had Anthony Miller and McCaffrey when Rod was a rookie(aside from Pritchard and Vance Johnson)

Detroit Lions had Johnnie Morton added to your duo above.

Fitzgerald and Boldin oh yeah and first round pick Bryant Johnson

 

[ChampBailey24]

Fitzgerald and Boldin oh yeah and first round pick Bryant Johnson

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The Bryant Johnson example is dumb. He was drafted before both Boldin and Fitz so the Cards didn't have a good WR duo....Great point.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

1. Read

2.These

3. Facts

Broncos had Anthony Miller and McCaffrey when Rod was a rookie(aside from Pritchard and Vance Johnson)

Detroit Lions had Johnnie Morton added to your duo above.

Fitzgerald and Boldin oh yeah and first round pick Bryant Johnson

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I am completely at a loss to how ANY of this refutes what SSOG was saying.Morton was drafted BEFORE Moore/Perriman started putting up huge numbers as a duo.

What does Rod Smith, the undrafted practice team player, have to do with anything?

ChampBailey took care of the Bryant Johnson example.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Wow.  First it was stated that those teams don't draft WRs in the first round, then you changed it to the last couple of years.  You aren't making alot of sense here.  Which one is it?  And how does a team not drafting a WR in the first round the last couple of years mean anything?  Your logic seems to be lost.

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This is a rediculous statement. If Rogers never plays again, he will go down in history as just another highly touted player whose career was sidelined by injuries from which he never recovered. Leaf never had major injuries, and made a spectacle of himself with outbursts in the press. There is no comparison between the two other than draft position.

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All of that aside, though... a draft bust is a player whose production never warrents how high he was selected. Charles Rodgers was drafted #2 overall. For a player to be a bigger bust, they would have to have been drafted higher and produced the same or worse. No WR drafted as high or higher than Rodgers has ever failed as spectacularly (for whatever reason you choose to believe) as Charles Rodgers has. I predict that he will continue to suck and will wash out of the NFL, which would make him the biggest WR bust in the history of the NFL. If he starts producing suddenly, then my prediction was wrong, and he wasn't the biggest WR bust in history. If he doesn't start producing, then my prediction was right and he WAS the biggest WR bust in history.
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Drafted #1 overallDrafted #2 overall

I say both these guys do/will surpass him as far as biggest wr bust in history.

 

[ChampBailey24]

1. Read

2.These

3. Facts

Broncos had Anthony Miller and McCaffrey when Rod was a rookie(aside from Pritchard and Vance Johnson)

Detroit Lions had Johnnie Morton added to your duo above.

Fitzgerald and Boldin oh yeah and first round pick Bryant Johnson

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I am completely at a loss to how ANY of this refutes what SSOG was saying.Morton was drafted BEFORE Moore/Perriman started putting up huge numbers as a duo.

What does Rod Smith, the undrafted practice team player, have to do with anything?

ChampBailey took care of the Bryant Johnson example.

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Thanks KRL. I didn't know about these guys' situations but I guess that sums it up.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Wow.  First it was stated that those teams don't draft WRs in the first round, then you changed it to the last couple of years.  You aren't making alot of sense here.  Which one is it?  And how does a team not drafting a WR in the first round the last couple of years mean anything?  Your logic seems to be lost.

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This is a rediculous statement. If Rogers never plays again, he will go down in history as just another highly touted player whose career was sidelined by injuries from which he never recovered. Leaf never had major injuries, and made a spectacle of himself with outbursts in the press. There is no comparison between the two other than draft position.

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All of that aside, though... a draft bust is a player whose production never warrents how high he was selected. Charles Rodgers was drafted #2 overall. For a player to be a bigger bust, they would have to have been drafted higher and produced the same or worse. No WR drafted as high or higher than Rodgers has ever failed as spectacularly (for whatever reason you choose to believe) as Charles Rodgers has. I predict that he will continue to suck and will wash out of the NFL, which would make him the biggest WR bust in the history of the NFL. If he starts producing suddenly, then my prediction was wrong, and he wasn't the biggest WR bust in history. If he doesn't start producing, then my prediction was right and he WAS the biggest WR bust in history.
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Drafted #1 overallDrafted #2 overall

I say both these guys do/will surpass him as far as biggest wr bust in history.

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Lam Jones is doing better than Charles Rogers so far.

 

[Tiger Fan]

He's probably worth a late round flyer...that's it

 

[JAA]

In terms of pure athletic talent, Charles Rogers is up there with David Terrell. As a football player, however, he'll probably never live up to that comparison.

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[SSOG]

Wow.  First it was stated that those teams don't draft WRs in the first round, then you changed it to the last couple of years.  You aren't making alot of sense here.  Which one is it?  And how does a team not drafting a WR in the first round the last couple of years mean anything?  Your logic seems to be lost.

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Step 1: Read.Step 2: Comprehend.

Step 3: Post.

The original point was that teams do not draft a WR in the first round when they think they already have two high-quality WRs. The most recent examples of that are the post-Wayne Colts, and the post-Fitzgerald Cardinals. Heck, even the post-Lelie Broncos were an example (until they decided that Lelie wasn't going to amount to much and Rod Smith turned 36).

Even if you missed the point the first time around (which obviously involves skipping straight from step 1 to step 3), I REITERATED the point again, using the Moore/Perriman Lions and the Smith/McCaffrey Broncos as additional examples of a team with two great WRs being unwilling to draft another WR in the first couple of rounds.

1. Read2.These

3. Facts

Broncos had Anthony Miller and McCaffrey when Rod was a rookie(aside from Pritchard and Vance Johnson)

Detroit Lions had Johnnie Morton added to your duo above.

Fitzgerald and Boldin oh yeah and first round pick Bryant Johnson

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Again, you're skipping the comprehend step.The point is that WHEN A TEAM IS CONFIDENT THAT IT HAS TWO HIGH-QUALITY GUYS, IT DOES NOT DRAFT A WR EARLY.

Read that again. Wait a second for it to sink in.

I already addressed Johnnie Morton. When the Lions drafted Johnnie Morton, Moore and Perriman were coming off of a season where they totaled 110 catches. Combined. Drafting Johnnie Morton was, in my mind, a sign that Detroit wasn't confident in what they had with Perriman and Moore. Of course, then Perriman and Moore started playing out of their minds, and Detroit stopped drafting WRs on the first day.

Yes, the Broncos had Anthony Miller and McCaffrey when Smith came to town. You're ignoring two very important points, though- First, prior to 1998, Ed McCaffrey had never had more than 50 receptions. He had never had more than 1,000 yards. He had never had double digit touchdowns. Yes, he later went on to become a huge integral part of the offense, but at the time Smith joined, he was still a couple of years away from stardom. Second, my point is that teams don't waste high draft picks on WRs- not that they stop adding WRs entirely. I mean, they still need to fill out their 4 and 5 reciever sets, don't they? Rod Smith was an undrafted free agent- that's a pretty far cry from a first day selection.

Yes, the Cardinals drafted Larry Fitzgerald when they already had Anquan Boldin and Bryant Johnson. According to my theory, the fact that Arizona drafted Larry Fitzgerald that high means they were dissatisfied with one of their two main WRs. Guess which one it was.

Drafted #1 overall

Drafted #2 overall

I say both these guys do/will surpass him as far as biggest wr bust in history.

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The first guy definitely surpasses Rogers as a bust, yes... but then again, the first guy was drafted back before Dallas revolutionized the draft by... you know... actually scouting the players. So how about we compromise call Rogers the biggest bust of the modern era (or, if you'd rather, the biggest WR bust of the last 40 years).As for Lam Jones... I don't see it. To date, Lam's WORST year (18/294/2) is as good as Roger's BEST year (22/243/3). After his first three seasons, Lam had 75% more catches, 154% more yards, and 100% more TDs. And, as far as I know, Lam's team never tried to recoup $10 million in signing bonuses because Lam was such a huge screwup.

 

[The Finist]

Rob parker doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground. He's a horrible writter, believe me that his totally his own opinion.

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Parker has a bad habit of making stuff up.

That said, I still think there's hope for Rogers. His talent remains real. But from watching him at MSU and with the Lions... there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot going on in that brain of his. I don't think he's the type of guy who can shake all his problems on his own. Someone would really have to mentor him to success.

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FYIGM Matt Millen says Charles Rogers wasn't coveted on draft day.

A columnist for the Detroit News wrote an article Saturday saying several teams wanted the disappointing receiver, but the Lions decided against dealing him and plan to feature Rogers in the offense next season. "I didn't get one single phone call on Charles Rogers," Millen said. May. 8 - 10:58 am et

Source: MLive.com

 

[TwinTurbo]

Rob parker doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground. He's a horrible writter, believe me that his totally his own opinion.

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Parker has a bad habit of making stuff up.

That said, I still think there's hope for Rogers. His talent remains real. But from watching him at MSU and with the Lions... there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot going on in that brain of his. I don't think he's the type of guy who can shake all his problems on his own. Someone would really have to mentor him to success.

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FYIGM Matt Millen says Charles Rogers wasn't coveted on draft day.

A columnist for the Detroit News wrote an article Saturday saying several teams wanted the disappointing receiver, but the Lions decided against dealing him and plan to feature Rogers in the offense next season. "I didn't get one single phone call on Charles Rogers," Millen said. May. 8 - 10:58 am et

Source: MLive.com

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I really find it hard to believe that no teams inquired about Rogers, especially with the thin talent available at WR in this year's draft. My guess is that Millen's asking price was too high and no teams were interested based on that. I'm still holding out hope for Rogers. He looked great as a rookie but so much has happened since then (almost all of it negative). I also think the ultra-conservative offense run by Mooch and the lack of development did not help Rogers or any of the Detroit WR for that matter. Then after the injuries, he put himself in the doghouse with his stupid behavior and never really got out. But I still think he can be successful in the NFL if he stays motivated.

 

[SSOG]

I really find it hard to believe that no teams inquired about Rogers, especially with the thin talent available at WR in this year's draft. My guess is that Millen's asking price was too high and no teams were interested based on that.

I'm still holding out hope for Rogers. He looked great as a rookie but so much has happened since then (almost all of it negative). I also think the ultra-conservative offense run by Mooch and the lack of development did not help Rogers or any of the Detroit WR for that matter. Then after the injuries, he put himself in the doghouse with his stupid behavior and never really got out. But I still think he can be successful in the NFL if he stays motivated.

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There wasn't a market for Freddie Mitchell or David Terrell, either. Just because they got drafted high doesn't mean that teams want them.Charles Rogers = Bust. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

There wasn't a market for Freddie Mitchell or David Terrell, either. Just because they got drafted high doesn't mean that teams want them.

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On the other hand, there was a huge demand for Rashaun Woods. The Chargers had to surrender a former first-round pick with a catchy name to pry him from the 'Niners.

 

[hutchins929]

I was curious so I looked at some carrier stats on some WR's and I saw that their were some similar #'s with some well known WR's as to C. Rogers.  What I did was took the first 3 seasons of these recievers and I converted the numbers into the average per game played.  The results might suprise some of you. I will list the name of the WR followed by receptions per game, yards per game and last how many games per touchdown.

Tim Brown 2 rec/game, 30 yds/game, 1td/every 4 games

Cris Carter 2 rec/game, 35 yds/game, 1td/every 2 games

Joe Horn 1 rec/game, 9 yds/game, 1td/every 33 games

Michael Irvin 2 rec/game, 45 yds/game, 1td/every 3 games

Derrick Mason 1 rec/game, 14 yds/game, 1td/every 15 games

Charles Rogers  2 rec/game, 29 yds/game, 1 td/every 4 games

What suprised me is Rogers has almost the same numbers as Tim Brown!!!

The only thing is can he stay healthy and shape up off the field?

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Maybe you should take into account games started rather than games played. For example, Derrick Mason started in only 2 games in his first 3 seasons. Not all that surprising when you consider the fact that Mason was a 4th round pick and had to earn the starting job.Try this:

Mason - 40 TDs in 89 starts

Rogers - 4 TDs in 9 starts (3 in first game only 1 since)

I can't believe you are surprised by these cherry picked stats.

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ok going with your own post:Mason - 40 TDs in 89 starts

Rogers - 4 TDs in 9 starts (3 in first game only 1 since)

rogers is on pace to have 43 TDs in 89 starts

 

[SSOG]

There wasn't a market for Freddie Mitchell or David Terrell, either. Just because they got drafted high doesn't mean that teams want them.

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On the other hand, there was a huge demand for Rashaun Woods. The Chargers had to surrender a former first-round pick with a catchy name to pry him from the 'Niners.
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To be honest, I think you're on to something here. I don't get why teams deal future first round picks when they would be so much better off including former first round picks, instead. And if a future first round pick is worth less than a current first round pick, then a current first round pick must be worth less than a former one!

ok going with your own post:

Mason - 40 TDs in 89 starts

Rogers - 4 TDs in 9 starts (3 in first game only 1 since)

rogers is on pace to have 43 TDs in 89 starts

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Sample size.

 

[cstu]

I was curious so I looked at some carrier stats on some WR's and I saw that their were some similar #'s with some well known WR's as to C. Rogers.  What I did was took the first 3 seasons of these recievers and I converted the numbers into the average per game played.  The results might suprise some of you. I will list the name of the WR followed by receptions per game, yards per game and last how many games per touchdown.

Tim Brown 2 rec/game, 30 yds/game, 1td/every 4 games

Cris Carter 2 rec/game, 35 yds/game, 1td/every 2 games

Joe Horn 1 rec/game, 9 yds/game, 1td/every 33 games

Michael Irvin 2 rec/game, 45 yds/game, 1td/every 3 games

Derrick Mason 1 rec/game, 14 yds/game, 1td/every 15 games

Charles Rogers  2 rec/game, 29 yds/game, 1 td/every 4 games

What suprised me is Rogers has almost the same numbers as Tim Brown!!!

The only thing is can he stay healthy and shape up off the field?

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Maybe you should take into account games started rather than games played. For example, Derrick Mason started in only 2 games in his first 3 seasons. Not all that surprising when you consider the fact that Mason was a 4th round pick and had to earn the starting job.Try this:

Mason - 40 TDs in 89 starts

Rogers - 4 TDs in 9 starts (3 in first game only 1 since)

I can't believe you are surprised by these cherry picked stats.

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ok going with your own post:Mason - 40 TDs in 89 starts

Rogers - 4 TDs in 9 starts (3 in first game only 1 since)

rogers is on pace to have 43 TDs in 89 starts

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And it will only take him 30 years to it!

 

[Unlucky]

In terms of pure athletic talent, Charles Rogers is up there with David Terrell. As a football player, however, he'll probably never live up to that comparison.

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That made me laugh. Good stuff.

 

[MSULions]

Rob parker doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground. He's a horrible writter, believe me that his totally his own opinion.

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you, on the other hand, are quite obviously a gifted writter.