I need help losing weight and getting back in shape (2 Viewers)

[xulf]

Exactly. That's the whole point. Gussy likes breakfast, so I'll stop with the "no breakfast" stuff. Many healthy people skip breakfast. Probably not as many as those that eat breakfast, but we've had generations of people telling us the importance of breakfast, and how it boosts our metabolism, so it's not surprising that most people eat breakfast. Just like most people think bacon is going to give them a heart attack. Not true, but it's hard to change that perception.

Carry on with breakfast Gussy. You seem to need it, so eat it.

The idea of a big breakfast goes back to farmers who worked hard in the mornings and needed all of that energy. A guy like me who drives to work and sits down at a computer all day doesn't.

This times a million. We need far less food than we have been led to believe we do.

Yet, some people continue to eat more than necessary

 

[culdeus]

Make it so your life isn't a rat race and it actually becomes quite easy to eat extremely healthy.

I'd love to be in a position to not work 50-60hrs/week (I mean, doesn't everyone?). Fact is, even with being pretty busy there are somethings that are quick, easy, and can be healthy. My grill gets a lot of use for just that reason.

45 years old

5'10'

187 pounds.

34 waste

I feel really good.

The highest I let myself get was 215 LBS and that was 5 years ago. In high school I was 175 pounds at my peak of physical fitness and playing baseball and tennis year round.

Almost exactly me at my highest and current. Goal is 169 (i.e. dip under 170) by summer. Sick of getting left in the middle of a hill by 140lb sticks with legs. That and getting to the top of Mt. Evans this summer will be much easier at 170 than 190.

What is your frame size though. I am a large framed guy. So ultimately I want to get down to 180....but that's tough as I do like to indulge in some foods that won't let me. LOL. I do like to eat.

Naturally a bit thicker than most. At my current muscle mass I'd hit 0% BF at around 155, so 170 is 10% BF. I'd be shredded and all kinds of awesome in the 165 range, but that is going to be really tough to hit.

Biggest issue is not hitting up more food after dinner, particularly on non-cycling days when I don't get the 1000-1500 calorie deficit easily.

Brother...170 at 10 percentTo get to 5 percent body fat you would be well under 150 lbs

Maybe want to take your abacus in for service.

 

[mitchh1124]

Whatever you think brother. You would not be 0 percent bodyfat in 15 lbs

I've been training people for bodybuilding competitions for a long time.

We can roughly guesstimate that each percent of bodyfat is roughly 6 lbs.

10 percent to 5 percent you need another 20-30 lbs off.

Period.

You are 170 10 percent with water weight

Drop water and you'd be even lower.

0 percent doesn't happen unless you wanna die.

4 percent is organ fat only. Which will die eventually.

 

[culdeus]

Whatever you think brother. You would not be 0 percent bodyfat in 15 lbs

I've been training people for bodybuilding competitions for a long time.

We can roughly guesstimate that each percent of bodyfat is roughly 6 lbs.

10 percent to 5 percent you need another 20-30 lbs off.

Period.

You are 170 10 percent with water weight

Drop water and you'd be even lower.

You can go from 10 to 5 with pharma overnight. Not sure how that matters.

 

[parasaurolophus]

This is a whole bunch of text that doesn't really help and is just distracting. Nobody is going on a 2000 calorie diet of starburst and expects to come out of it healthier. It is stupid to even discuss.

In the context of standard human consumption a calorie is just a calorie. I am sorry, but it just is. Name me one person that went on a diet and said ok I need to cut down to 1500 calories a day so that means I can have 5 twinkies, two juice boxes, 3 hohos, 2 cokes and one piece of licorice every day. Then stuck to that diet for 2 months and was legitimately confused by the outcome.

That's like being in Miami and overhearing somebody say thank god it never snows here and pointing out that it snowed in 1977. Don't be that guy.

Thanks for the strawman response.

That's an odd reply from a guy that threw the extreme scenario out there to try and prove he was right. If you eat 2000 calories of sugar you will be hungry, therefore a calorie is not a calorie!!! See Politician spock is right!!!

Stop wasting people's time by muddying the waters.

 

[James Daulton]

Whatever you think brother. You would not be 0 percent bodyfat in 15 lbs

I've been training people for bodybuilding competitions for a long time.

We can roughly guesstimate that each percent of bodyfat is roughly 6 lbs.

10 percent to 5 percent you need another 20-30 lbs off.

Period.

You are 170 10 percent with water weight

Drop water and you'd be even lower.

You can go from 10 to 5 with pharma overnight. Not sure how that matters.

You certainly can not lose 5% body fat in a week, let alone overnight. I don't care what you take.

 

[mitchh1124]

This is a whole bunch of text that doesn't really help and is just distracting. Nobody is going on a 2000 calorie diet of starburst and expects to come out of it healthier. It is stupid to even discuss.

In the context of standard human consumption a calorie is just a calorie. I am sorry, but it just is. Name me one person that went on a diet and said ok I need to cut down to 1500 calories a day so that means I can have 5 twinkies, two juice boxes, 3 hohos, 2 cokes and one piece of licorice every day. Then stuck to that diet for 2 months and was legitimately confused by the outcome.

That's like being in Miami and overhearing somebody say thank god it never snows here and pointing out that it snowed in 1977. Don't be that guy.

Thanks for the strawman response.

That's an odd reply from a guy that threw the extreme scenario out there to try and prove he was right. If you eat 2000 calories of sugar you will be hungry, therefore a calorie is not a calorie!!! See Politician spock is right!!!

Stop wasting people's time by muddying the waters.

Anyone in a caloric deficit will be hungry.....

 

[parasaurolophus]

When you eat matters a ton.

I agree with you on this but can you agree that it's more difficult to control calories if you have have a large breakfast?

If I have a breakfast that is 1/3 of my calories (650) then that leaves me with 12 hours left in the day to only eat 2/3rds of the day's calories (1350) vs. being able to split my meals into a 1000 calorie lunch and 800 calorie dinner. This is basically a Spanish diet.

Who eats a 650 calorie breakfast?

During the summer months this is quite easy for me to do. Breakfast sandwich, a yogurt, apple, and some chips. Yes chips. Its my weakness, but I love them and you won't pry them from me.

 

[culdeus]

Whatever you think brother. You would not be 0 percent bodyfat in 15 lbs

I've been training people for bodybuilding competitions for a long time.

We can roughly guesstimate that each percent of bodyfat is roughly 6 lbs.

10 percent to 5 percent you need another 20-30 lbs off.

Period.

You are 170 10 percent with water weight

Drop water and you'd be even lower.

You can go from 10 to 5 with pharma overnight. Not sure how that matters.

You certainly can not lose 5% body fat in a week, let alone overnight. I don't care what you take.

An EC stack + Clen will cut you real quick. Overnight is an obvious exaggeration, but it's not going to require a total mass loss of 20 pounds for someone in competition.They will just dose for it.

 

[mitchh1124]

Lol

T3

Clen

Still will lose 20 lbs

It doesn't make less fat -- it just burns faster..

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I don't count calories but I suspect my usual breakfast is over 650. I typically eat a lot more at breakfast than lunch.

 

[Politician Spock]

This is a whole bunch of text that doesn't really help and is just distracting. Nobody is going on a 2000 calorie diet of starburst and expects to come out of it healthier. It is stupid to even discuss.

In the context of standard human consumption a calorie is just a calorie. I am sorry, but it just is. Name me one person that went on a diet and said ok I need to cut down to 1500 calories a day so that means I can have 5 twinkies, two juice boxes, 3 hohos, 2 cokes and one piece of licorice every day. Then stuck to that diet for 2 months and was legitimately confused by the outcome.

That's like being in Miami and overhearing somebody say thank god it never snows here and pointing out that it snowed in 1977. Don't be that guy.

Thanks for the strawman response.

That's an odd reply from a guy that threw the extreme scenario out there to try and prove he was right. If you eat 2000 calories of sugar you will be hungry, therefore a calorie is not a calorie!!! See Politician spock is right!!!

Stop wasting people's time by muddying the waters.

A diet of starbursts? Really?

Stop wasting my time by claiming I said things that I didn't.

 

[Politician Spock]

If someone has a lot of weight to lose and are truly serious about getting healthy then they should do it anyway they can. If it takes eating #### to get down to a weight that will allow them to be more active and then eat better food then so be it. I don't recommend it but it's better to do something than nothing.

I think it might be worse physiologically and psychologically to lose 50 pounds and then gain it back, as opposed to just never losing it at all. That's just my opinion and isn't really based on a study.

In my past I went from 263 pounds to 199 pounds in six months via calorie counting and a lot of exercise. I was so sick of the diet and exercise that when I reached my goal it was a HUGE relief that it was over. A few years later I weighed 281 pounds. I felt like I had wasted all that effort and sacrifice I made.... as I should, because I did.

I do not recommend any method of losing weight that is temporary at best.

Ultimately, no method that results in a weight loss of 64 pounds is "temporary at best". It comes down to personal decisions after the weight is lost. It's easy to say that whatever you are doing now is working, but what if you fall off the wagon in 3 months and go back to 280? Does that mean that what you did to lose weight isn't important?

I do agree that many people struggle with the transition from "dieting" to "maintenance". But the reason for that is mental, imo.

For instance, if you have cut sugar and refined carbs out of your diet as a way to lose weight, thinking that you can add them back once you get to your desired weight, you'll likely add the weight back.

Similarly, if your goal is to count calories, run and get to your desired weight, thinking that once you get there it will be like high school again, you'll ultimately fail there as well.

But if you know going in what the plan is once you arrive, and stick to it, you can maintain no matter what you did to get there.

I hated that six months. I kept eating the foods I liked, but I limited it to only 2000 calories. I was hungry too much. Only desire to reach my goal kept me focused to not get rid of the hunger by eating something. I forced myself to wait, or if I had no calories left for the day, I went to bed starving. I hated all the exercise I was doing. Again, only desire to reach my goal kept me doing it. Anything a person does that they hate is temporary.

As far as transitioning to "maintenance", again eating just 2000 calories of the foods I loved made me miserable because of how hungry I always was. Like I said before, if you eat bad food, you will naturally end up eating more calories than your body needs. The person will hate doing "maintenance" amount eating of that kind of food just like they hated the diet that lost them the weight.

The only way to lose weight and keep it off is to eat good food for the body. You wont have desires to eat that you have to mentally fight against. The weight will come off, and when it does you just keep doing what you did while losing the weight. You will naturally eat the amount of calories your body needs.

I see what you're saying. Look, if someone tries to eat 1800 calories a day of french fries, pop tarts and ice cream, they will likely crack and they will likely be miserable.

In reality all you really did the second time is cut calories without knowing it, by cutting out the crap foods. You can't eat as much steak, chicken and veggies as you want and lose tons of weight. You can lose water weight which will trick people, but ultimately your 2nd big weight-loss journey was done by cutting calories as well, you just went about it in a way that was easier for you.

I'd argue that cutting out sugar and refined carbs is more sustainable than eating junk all day, but ultimately that's just anecdotal.

For many people, they just can't cut out the crap totally. Maybe they want a bowl of ice cream a few times a week, or a cheeseburger with fries. A deprivation diet (depriving yourself of a certain type of food) fails just as regularly as a calorie cutting diet. All diets or lifestyle changes are quite difficult.

I'm not arguing that weight loss is about eating fewer calories. Of course it is. It is simple math. In both cases I lost weight because of lesser calories consumed.

However one of them was not sustainable long term. The other is. I believe people can lose weight continuing to eat the foods they love. I don't believe they can continue that long term however. And nothing you have said to me has swayed me even slightly on that stance.

 

[Sand]

Make it so your life isn't a rat race and it actually becomes quite easy to eat extremely healthy.

I'd love to be in a position to not work 50-60hrs/week (I mean, doesn't everyone?). Fact is, even with being pretty busy there are somethings that are quick, easy, and can be healthy. My grill gets a lot of use for just that reason.

45 years old

5'10'

187 pounds.

34 waste

I feel really good.

The highest I let myself get was 215 LBS and that was 5 years ago. In high school I was 175 pounds at my peak of physical fitness and playing baseball and tennis year round.

Almost exactly me at my highest and current. Goal is 169 (i.e. dip under 170) by summer. Sick of getting left in the middle of a hill by 140lb sticks with legs. That and getting to the top of Mt. Evans this summer will be much easier at 170 than 190.

What is your frame size though. I am a large framed guy. So ultimately I want to get down to 180....but that's tough as I do like to indulge in some foods that won't let me. LOL. I do like to eat.

Naturally a bit thicker than most. At my current muscle mass I'd hit 0% BF at around 155, so 170 is 10% BF. I'd be shredded and all kinds of awesome in the 165 range, but that is going to be really tough to hit.

Biggest issue is not hitting up more food after dinner, particularly on non-cycling days when I don't get the 1000-1500 calorie deficit easily.

Brother...170 at 10 percent

To get to 5 percent body fat you would be well under 150 lbs

I'm at right around 18% now at 188. Simple math (and yes I'm keeping this simple) gets me to 0% BF at 154.

Obviously I'm not getting to 0, nor am I even suggesting trying to. I'd like to get to 170, though, which at my current musculature level (which I'd like to keep!) is 10% or so, round numbers. At my very best weight I was 164, though probably less muscle on me then as now.

 

[Sand]

When you eat matters a ton.

I agree with you on this but can you agree that it's more difficult to control calories if you have have a large breakfast?

If I have a breakfast that is 1/3 of my calories (650) then that leaves me with 12 hours left in the day to only eat 2/3rds of the day's calories (1350) vs. being able to split my meals into a 1000 calorie lunch and 800 calorie dinner. This is basically a Spanish diet.

Who eats a 650 calorie breakfast?

A glass of milk and two pop tarts is 600. Pretty easy to hit.

That's a breakfast for a kid in middle school. No adult does this.

Says the guy who has 2 random hair pies for breakfast each morning.

 

[Arizona Ron]

When you eat matters a ton.

I agree with you on this but can you agree that it's more difficult to control calories if you have have a large breakfast?

If I have a breakfast that is 1/3 of my calories (650) then that leaves me with 12 hours left in the day to only eat 2/3rds of the day's calories (1350) vs. being able to split my meals into a 1000 calorie lunch and 800 calorie dinner. This is basically a Spanish diet.

Who eats a 650 calorie breakfast?

A glass of milk and two pop tarts is 600. Pretty easy to hit.

That's a breakfast for a kid in middle school. No adult does this.

Says the guy who has 2 random hair pies for breakfast each morning.

What's a "hair pie"? If we're talking about eating ######, I always save that for a night time snack. Morning showers are all about me handling morning wood; should a wayward young lady choose to join me in the shower, expect to get posted up.

 

[cstu]

Gussy - take a look at this guy to see what can be done in two years.

 

[James Daulton]

Make it so your life isn't a rat race and it actually becomes quite easy to eat extremely healthy.

I'd love to be in a position to not work 50-60hrs/week (I mean, doesn't everyone?). Fact is, even with being pretty busy there are somethings that are quick, easy, and can be healthy. My grill gets a lot of use for just that reason.

45 years old

5'10'

187 pounds.

34 waste

I feel really good.

The highest I let myself get was 215 LBS and that was 5 years ago. In high school I was 175 pounds at my peak of physical fitness and playing baseball and tennis year round.

Almost exactly me at my highest and current. Goal is 169 (i.e. dip under 170) by summer. Sick of getting left in the middle of a hill by 140lb sticks with legs. That and getting to the top of Mt. Evans this summer will be much easier at 170 than 190.

What is your frame size though. I am a large framed guy. So ultimately I want to get down to 180....but that's tough as I do like to indulge in some foods that won't let me. LOL. I do like to eat.

Naturally a bit thicker than most. At my current muscle mass I'd hit 0% BF at around 155, so 170 is 10% BF. I'd be shredded and all kinds of awesome in the 165 range, but that is going to be really tough to hit.

Biggest issue is not hitting up more food after dinner, particularly on non-cycling days when I don't get the 1000-1500 calorie deficit easily.

Brother...170 at 10 percent

To get to 5 percent body fat you would be well under 150 lbs

I'm at right around 18% now at 188. Simple math (and yes I'm keeping this simple) gets me to 0% BF at 154.

Obviously I'm not getting to 0, nor am I even suggesting trying to. I'd like to get to 170, though, which at my current musculature level (which I'd like to keep!) is 10% or so, round numbers. At my very best weight I was 164, though probably less muscle on me then as now.

Your mistake is you're assuming that every pound you lose will be fat. I'm sorry to say that you'll lose a lot of muscle as well. By your specs, if you're at 18% bf, that means you have around 34lbs of fat. To get to 10% bf you have to lose 44% of that fat or about 15lbs. You will lose substantial muscle as well. So, if we assume your muscle loss at 50% of your fat loss (I'm making this ratio up, we're all different but you will lose muscle) that's a total weight loss of 23lbs for a final weight of 163. Pretty close to your best weight.

 

[NREC34]

Gussy - take a look at this guy to see what can be done in two years.

3 miles in 18 minutes is damn good.

 

[James Daulton]

Gussy - take a look at this guy to see what can be done in two years.

3 miles in 18 minutes is damn good.

That is a terrific time.

 

[cstu]

Here's a guy who went from this to this (90 lb. loss) in 6 months.

http://iamdez.com/2013/10/a-year-of-weight-loss-text-version/

 

[parasaurolophus]

Another dish we really like is spaghetti squash, tofu, and homemade tomato sauce. I actually bake the hell out of the tofu first since I hate the consistency of it when real moist. Sauce is so easy to make. Tomatoes, basil, garlic, mushrooms, salt. Dice and put in a pot. Heat on low until the mushrooms are real soft.

Eat.

 

[gussy]

Well today didn't turn out as planned, but I think I handled it well. Came home from work, wife was on the couch half asleep. Once or twice a week she works 5am to 2:30am which requires her to be awake around 3:45. I knew she wasn't cooking. I told her we could either go to the club or I was fine just eating leftovers from last night and leftover pork roast from Monday. She wanted to go get something. That being said, I had an entree off the gluten free menu, and kept things under my remaining calories. I had the chicken la piana, which is a small airline chicken roasted with palm hearts, a few cherry tomatoes on a bed of asparagus. I had brussell sprouts for my side and started with a salad and light italian dressing. We split a dinner role (weird) and ordered a bottle of Hall Cabernet. We both had 2 glasses of cab. With all of that I ended up with 815 calories and had 9 to spare. The chicken was not an "order again", but it was healthy. The other thing I considered was the stir fry vegetables on a bed of quinoa with shrimp, but I just had quinoa last night. So bad, went out twice, drank some wine, good, kept under my caloric intake and made better decisions and actually felt like I ate a lot of food tonight.

 

[James Daulton]

Well today didn't turn out as planned, but I think I handled it well. Came home from work, wife was on the couch half asleep. Once or twice a week she works 5am to 2:30am which requires her to be awake around 3:45. I knew she wasn't cooking. I told her we could either go to the club or I was fine just eating leftovers from last night and leftover pork roast from Monday. She wanted to go get something. That being said, I had an entree off the gluten free menu, and kept things under my remaining calories. I had the chicken la piana, which is a small airline chicken roasted with palm hearts, a few cherry tomatoes on a bed of asparagus. I had brussell sprouts for my side and started with a salad and light italian dressing. We split a dinner role (weird) and ordered a bottle of Hall Cabernet. We both had 2 glasses of cab. With all of that I ended up with 815 calories and had 9 to spare. The chicken was not an "order again", but it was healthy. The other thing I considered was the stir fry vegetables on a bed of quinoa with shrimp, but I just had quinoa last night. So bad, went out twice, drank some wine, good, kept under my caloric intake and made better decisions and actually felt like I ate a lot of food tonight.

Very very good. Now don't #### it up the rest of the night!

 

[gussy]

This Nebraska basketball team is making me want to drink, I can tell you that.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Gotta drink a lot of water

 

[DocHolliday]

Gotta drink a lot of water

Gonna rename mr sandwich to Bobby Boucher.

 

[mitchh1124]

Gotta drink a lot of water

thats a given...for health but it doesnt help one lose weight.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Here's a guy who went from this to this (90 lb. loss) in 6 months.

http://iamdez.com/2013/10/a-year-of-weight-loss-text-version/

This sounds bad, but what do you think his wife (guessing to his left in before pic) looks like these days?

 

[AAABatteries]

Question for you really fat guys -- does you gut hang over your junk? Like, when you look in the mirror when you are naked is your penis unable to be seen at all?

Go ahead and ask for pics - we won't judge.

 

[mitchh1124]

Hope everyone is eating a massive breakfast

 

[Annyong]

"You are the average of the people you surround yourself with."

My brothers been saying this. He read it somewhere.

I just started a new gig and a couple of these dudes workout after work and eat healthy lunches. Sure as ####, here I am taking a dump after a workout at 6:30am

 

[Todem]

His blood levels improved..not sure how that doesn't mean he's not more healthy.

If your blood work is good than you are more than likely pretty healthy dude.

I probably have a worse diet than anyone and I'm healthy and look solid

I eat anything from Arbys to zaxbys to 2 lbs of hamburger a day with rice roni packets.

It's fuel.

And the whole point of the professor was to prove that restricted calories loses weight. It's that simple.

Eat fish and rice if you want "healthy"

Your blood says one thing....but your muscles and brain health will be FUBAR. There is more to good health than just good blood levels.

It is not a healthy and real life changing way to lose weight, thats my point. I understand that doctors point too. But I hope he woukd never endorse a diet plan like that,

He will gain it right back. We all know calories is one of the keys, but what you eat is vital to real true good health,

So go ahead go on the little debbies and dorrtio diet...lose 50 pounds. Bet you still feel the #### just 50 pound lighter.

Come on man,

 

[mitchh1124]

What you eat doesn't matter as much as you think

I eat what I please though my goals are severely different than everyone's on this board.

I keep a box of moon pies in my car. Can't go anywhere without food lol

 

[culdeus]

What you eat doesn't matter as much as you think

I eat what I please though my goals are severely different than everyone's on this board.

I keep a box of moon pies in my car. Can't go anywhere without food lol

I'm trying to put mass on as well. I eat so much it's shocking. Hit my all time high LBM this past week. Not sure I can keep it up.

 

[Northern Voice]

Yeah, the amount of white bread I eat would cause a lot of the hardcore guys in here to lose their mind. I ate it while I was losing weight, and I've eaten it for the ~10 years since then where I've maintained the loss.

Toast with margarine a few days a week (protein shakes the other days, either way around 250-300 calories for breakfast including coffee).

Sandwiches for lunch another 4-5 days a week (made at home with real meat, not Subway/deli meat), plus usually an apple/banana and a granola bar sometime during the day.

Meat/veggies and another carb (potatoes, rice, pasta) at dinner time.

Easily under 2000 calories, easy to sustain.

 

[James Daulton]

There's way too much sense being thrown ITT recently.

We need more of "you can't lose weight eating carbs! Sugar immediately turns to fat! Breakfast revs up your metabolism for the day! Stop eating after 6pm!"

Yea, we need more of those.

 

[mitchh1124]

There's way too much sense being thrown ITT recently.

We need more of "you can't lose weight eating carbs! Sugar immediately turns to fat! Breakfast revs up your metabolism for the day! Stop eating after 6pm!"

Yea, we need more of those.

Lol people listen to what they are toldCarbs are used in all walks of life

Plants to humans

Fail to realize eating no carbs your body just makes them itself lol

What if you work night shift...when are you suppose to eat?????

Lol time = man made--body doesn't have any concept of time

 

[Northern Voice]

My thought on the "eating after 6 PM makes you fat/will limit your weight loss" is that people for years when dieting have gotten into the habit of getting out of bed and weighing themselves first thing in the morning, this is what we've programmed ourselves to do when trying to lose weight.

So if you last meal was at 5 PM and you had a calorie deficit that day, there is a very good chance the scale is going to show a lower amount in the AM than it did the morning previous. Likewise, if your last meal was at 9 PM, even if you did have a calorie deficit that day, the next morning you aren't going to see as low of a number, even though over the long term, the result is the same.

Anyway, that's my anecdotal take on the anecdotal thought that eating late at night hurts dieting.

 

[mitchh1124]

Yeah that's about the only reason, so no one binges at night.

Me personally, I want a nice meal before I sleep.

Keep my body full while I sleep 8 hours.

Scale weight is also overrated unless you have a scale goal IE moving up or down a weight class

If one works out and eats correctly. He can stay the same weight and make it look better ( recomp)

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

My thought on the "eating after 6 PM makes you fat/will limit your weight loss" is that people for years when dieting have gotten into the habit of getting out of bed and weighing themselves first thing in the morning, this is what we've programmed ourselves to do when trying to lose weight.

So if you last meal was at 5 PM and you had a calorie deficit that day, there is a very good chance the scale is going to show a lower amount in the AM than it did the morning previous. Likewise, if your last meal was at 9 PM, even if you did have a calorie deficit that day, the next morning you aren't going to see as low of a number, even though over the long term, the result is the same.

Anyway, that's my anecdotal take on the anecdotal thought that eating late at night hurts dieting.

Probably something to this. I think it's also just another strategy for cutting extra calories if people aren't tracking closely, if you stop eating by 6 you probably aren't going to consume as many calories overall. One thing that I think gets lost in the calorie-in/calorie-out, time, which calories are good/bad, etc., conversation is the psychological component. It's why things like skipping breakfast or not eating after 6 might work for some people but not others, even though the biology is basically the same.

There are a lot of strategies that can be effective, I think the biggest challenge for people is figuring out what strategies they can sustain. There's no universal right answer.

 

[James Daulton]

Yeah that's about the only reason, so no one binges at night.

Me personally, I want a nice meal before I sleep.

Keep my body full while I sleep 8 hours.

Scale weight is also overrated unless you have a scale goal IE moving up or down a weight class

If one works out and eats correctly. He can stay the same weight and make it look better ( recomp)

So much this.

 

[pack100]

If someone has a lot of weight to lose and are truly serious about getting healthy then they should do it anyway they can. If it takes eating #### to get down to a weight that will allow them to be more active and then eat better food then so be it. I don't recommend it but it's better to do something than nothing.

I think it might be worse physiologically and psychologically to lose 50 pounds and then gain it back, as opposed to just never losing it at all. That's just my opinion and isn't really based on a study.

This is the situation I am in. and it sucks. Lost 50 plus pounds doing fatballguys with keerock. We did weigh ins, had a spread sheet....Yup gained it all back. I suck. Freaking food.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

If someone has a lot of weight to lose and are truly serious about getting healthy then they should do it anyway they can. If it takes eating #### to get down to a weight that will allow them to be more active and then eat better food then so be it. I don't recommend it but it's better to do something than nothing.

I think it might be worse physiologically and psychologically to lose 50 pounds and then gain it back, as opposed to just never losing it at all. That's just my opinion and isn't really based on a study.

This is the situation I am in. and it sucks. Lost 50 plus pounds doing fatballguys with keerock. We did weigh ins, had a spread sheet....Yup gained it all back. I suck. Freaking food.

I've been there too, and I think one of the hardest things is overcoming the feeling of having "lost" all the work that went into getting into shape the first time around. It's demoralizing and can be a significant mental hurdle to getting back on track. What's worked for me is to try to spin it around in my head. I know I've done it before, so I can do it again. I can remember that when I was in the flow of eating right and exercising it never seemed that hard. But the first few days really, really suck.

 

[Todem]

"You are the average of the people you surround yourself with."

My brothers been saying this. He read it somewhere.

I just started a new gig and a couple of these dudes workout after work and eat healthy lunches. Sure as ####, here I am taking a dump after a workout at 6:30am

So damn true in every facet of life.

 

[culdeus]

Yeah that's about the only reason, so no one binges at night.

Me personally, I want a nice meal before I sleep.

Keep my body full while I sleep 8 hours.

Scale weight is also overrated unless you have a scale goal IE moving up or down a weight class

If one works out and eats correctly. He can stay the same weight and make it look better ( recomp)

So much this.

I track my LBM total weight and BF%.

I eat FAR more than I did 3 years ago weigh a total 20 pounds more and still fit in the same pants. All of this just mixing in more vegetable matter and lifting weights, not super heavy like 500 pound squats. Just decent amounts and slowly, very slowly, increase over time.

People ask me now how I look so young and my ### looks amazing. I use the same squat routine some hot instagram hottie uses I stole from the yoga pants thread. A girl routine. Sue me, it works.

 

[mitchh1124]

Heavy weight is good for powerlifting

Building muscle a nice high rep squat routine works wonders

Try to work up to 315 lbs for 20 reps

No one has little legs that can do that.

 

[culdeus]

Heavy weight is good for powerlifting

Building muscle a nice high rep squat routine works wonders

Try to work up to 315 lbs for 20 reps

No one has little legs that can do that.

I'm making progress, I'm in no hurry. I'm finding I'm limited by hamstrings now so having to add more there which has slowed RM a bit. Not super worried about it either way i'm not gonna go win some power lifting competition.

 

[mitchh1124]

So, you are doing hamstrings first now? thats good; always prioritize weak points.

 

[James Daulton]

Heavy weight is good for powerlifting

Building muscle a nice high rep squat routine works wonders

Try to work up to 315 lbs for 20 reps

No one has little legs that can do that.

Squats really are a fantastic exercise. Although, for hypertrophy I've always worked in the 8- 10 rep range. Thoughts?