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I need help losing weight and getting back in shape (3 Viewers)

Hello my name is Shader and I fell off the wagon.  I went on a cruise and spent a long time preparing for it.

I enjoyed pigging out on my cruise so much that I never stopped once I got home.  

Time to hop back on the wagon of course but I just can't get the motivation.  The cruise reminded me that I love food and I've been unable to stop eating since I got back. :lmao:
This was me exactly except a different vacation.  I'm - holidays, work stress - just a bunch of excuses.  I will say I ####### hate this time of year for exercising/eating well.

 
I can do squats but I want to avoid anything that could potentially end up causing a setback on my knee or back. My goal for March is really not about the actual exercise but rather just establishing the lifestyle change to be active for at least 15 minutes a day. I know it is not "ideal" just as I knew how I approached Feb was not "ideal" with my severe calorie minimization and pretty strict eating routine. Just as I did in Feb with trying to retrain my mind and establish the lifestyle change- it is more about wiping clean the past and building from there for me. I am not worried about an exercise routine, any particular goals of weight loss or physical goals, or even the most effective way to lose weight in exercise. Right now, it is simply trying to establish a lifestyle of being active every day.

Yea, I know the powder is more economical. Any suggestions on best ones out there to try for taste and health?


I really haven't read this thread very closely so humor me with my initial thoughts.

Your calorie intake seems too low and that may impact your ability to sustain the diet.  I hate the word "diet" because it suggest a time period and most people just regain the weight after they return to their normal lifestyle.   I would bump up the calories AND the activity.  For an analogy, I wouldn't run my car on crappy gasoline.  1,200 calories give you more food options and 30 minutes is easily achievable, especially if you have a liberal definition of exercise.

Water is your friend - always good for you and it can satisfy "hunger" cravings. And get a good nights sleep.  What could be better for you than good rest and hydration?

 
This was me exactly except a different vacation.  I'm - holidays, work stress - just a bunch of excuses.  I will say I ####### hate this time of year for exercising/eating well.
I was doing so good. I had found a happy medium, had learned to eat reasonably and was happy with where I was.  One stupid cruise where I ate everything I wanted threw it all out of whack.  It makes me wonder if over-eating isn't similar in some ways to alcoholism.  It's like a disease.  

It's not like I've gotten super fat or anything, but I've probably gained 15-20 pounds in 2 months. Yeah a bunch of that is water weight, but it still sucks.  I gotta get back on track quickly.

 
I was doing so good. I had found a happy medium, had learned to eat reasonably and was happy with where I was.  One stupid cruise where I ate everything I wanted threw it all out of whack.  It makes me wonder if over-eating isn't similar in some ways to alcoholism.  It's like a disease.  

It's not like I've gotten super fat or anything, but I've probably gained 15-20 pounds in 2 months. Yeah a bunch of that is water weight, but it still sucks.  I gotta get back on track quickly.
Very similar story for me - months of doing great and losing, went on vacation and just stopped doing everything like I was.

 
Haven't read this entire thread yet, but I'll jump right in.  Started weight loss with 24 day challenge at 240.2 on Jan 4th and am currently at 218.4.  Portion control, several nights of basketball officiating, along with Spark/Catalyst have helped a ton.

Will read to see where everyone is at.

 
Curious as what time of day you guys work out.  

I've found I can only maintain a regular workout routine when I go mid-day; morning I can't get my ### out of bed in the winter and after work I'm too wiped out to think about the gym most days.

A few years ago I was doing the morning workout but again that was hard to maintain more than 3 days a week.  I've worked out after work a few times but my night schedule is too crazy juggling time with my daughter, ex-wife, whores, clothe shopping and making sure I have a few racks on me at all times to pull that off regularly.  So, about a year ago I started going at lunch; it's the one time of day that I never have meetings and I even turn down "lunch meetings" and opt for happy hour unless it's absolutely necessary. 

Since doing that I even workout on the weekends same time of day.  I'll actually get antsy around 11:00 every day now in anticipation of a workout.  I've been going 7 days a week since the fall now.  I run about a mile everyday before each workout to warm up and run 3 miles on my "off days".   I'm trying to "bank" some gym days because I know I'll be traveling a lot again in the spring. 

Oh and look at me.

 
Curious as what time of day you guys work out.  

I've found I can only maintain a regular workout routine when I go mid-day; morning I can't get my ### out of bed in the winter and after work I'm too wiped out to think about the gym most days.

A few years ago I was doing the morning workout but again that was hard to maintain more than 3 days a week.  I've worked out after work a few times but my night schedule is too crazy juggling time with my daughter, ex-wife, whores, clothe shopping and making sure I have a few racks on me at all times to pull that off regularly.  So, about a year ago I started going at lunch; it's the one time of day that I never have meetings and I even turn down "lunch meetings" and opt for happy hour unless it's absolutely necessary. 

Since doing that I even workout on the weekends same time of day.  I'll actually get antsy around 11:00 every day now in anticipation of a workout.  I've been going 7 days a week since the fall now.  I run about a mile everyday before each workout to warm up and run 3 miles on my "off days".   I'm trying to "bank" some gym days because I know I'll be traveling a lot again in the spring. 

Oh and look at me.
I prefer mornings, but with two kids leaving for school at 645am, I just can't.  Usually evenings out for kids sports as well.  Ends up being lunch/early afternoon.

I try to join the 5am bball run a few times a month when I feel like pissing off the wife by leaving her to get the kids going.

 
Usually immediately after work.  If I get into a relaxation mode it just doesn't happen.  I try to mealplan as much as possible and end up eating dinner at work a few nights a week, because I know if I leave work starving (1) I'll end up eating like #### and (2) I won't work out.  Double-whammy.

I am slowly prodding myself to join a gym in the office building so I can work out before actually going home at night, but I haven't gotten around to it.  I've actually never been a member of a gym....

 
No reason to count calories and starve yourself. Eat a ton of non starchy veggies, good high quality proteins like organic, chicken and grass feed beef, free range organic eggs etc. and cut out all the processed foods and sugar.  Start a push up and squat routine on Mon-Wed-Friday (4 sets of max reps possible every 5 minutes) and 4 minutes of  20 sec on/20 sec off burpee routine on Tuesday and Thursday. 

 
Curious as what time of day you guys work out.  

I've found I can only maintain a regular workout routine when I go mid-day; morning I can't get my ### out of bed in the winter and after work I'm too wiped out to think about the gym most days.

A few years ago I was doing the morning workout but again that was hard to maintain more than 3 days a week.  I've worked out after work a few times but my night schedule is too crazy juggling time with my daughter, ex-wife, whores, clothe shopping and making sure I have a few racks on me at all times to pull that off regularly.  So, about a year ago I started going at lunch; it's the one time of day that I never have meetings and I even turn down "lunch meetings" and opt for happy hour unless it's absolutely necessary. 

Since doing that I even workout on the weekends same time of day.  I'll actually get antsy around 11:00 every day now in anticipation of a workout.  I've been going 7 days a week since the fall now.  I run about a mile everyday before each workout to warm up and run 3 miles on my "off days".   I'm trying to "bank" some gym days because I know I'll be traveling a lot again in the spring. 

Oh and look at me.
When I failed to maintain a regular workout schedule it was because I tried to do them after work.  Too often my day ended like you said, with me not having the energy to get to the gym.  That was before wife and kids, so I can't imagine trying to do that now.  If I had no other option I'd force myself, but I would not be a six time per weeker.  I'd be happy with four.  I am not a morning person, so during the week that's off the table.  I'll do them then on the weekend (9 something usually) because I have enough time to get some coffee and other food into my system, but during the week?  No way.  The lunch workout has been my go-to for years and I've been able to keep with it.  I save $ by always turning down lunch invites and packing my own too.

 
No reason to count calories and starve yourself. Eat a ton of non starchy veggies, good high quality proteins like organic, chicken and grass feed beef, free range organic eggs etc. and cut out all the processed foods and sugar.  Start a push up and squat routine on Mon-Wed-Friday (4 sets of max reps possible every 5 minutes) and 4 minutes of  20 sec on/20 sec off burpee routine on Tuesday and Thursday. 


Totally agree.  The failure rate of the low-calorie/shake/blender/weight watcher diets in extremely high because it's unsustainable.  You're making yourself weaker and slowing your metabolism if not done correctly (which is usually the case).  Cutting the sugar was a huge plus for me years ago.  It's amazing how much sugar is in things like ketchup or things you 'think' is healthy like fruit juice.

I also cut beer a few years ago; I'll have an occasional beer when I go out but that's very rare.  I might have had 6 beers in the last 6 months.  A far cry from the days of having beers after work everyday.

Cutting processed meats was also a big win for me.  If I want a slice of pizza, no problem just cheese only.  If I'm in a rush and grab a quick breakfast, no problem just egg & cheese.  Most of my meals are consistently a protein and veggies.  Even when I go out, I went to an Italian restaurant last weekend; ordered Chicken Marsala but with veggies instead of pasta.  

 
No reason to count calories and starve yourself. Eat a ton of non starchy veggies, good high quality proteins like organic, chicken and grass feed beef, free range organic eggs etc. and cut out all the processed foods and sugar.  Start a push up and squat routine on Mon-Wed-Friday (4 sets of max reps possible every 5 minutes) and 4 minutes of  20 sec on/20 sec off burpee routine on Tuesday and Thursday. 
If you're really curious for some more reading on organic food and sustainability, read Michael Pollan.  "Organic" isn't the cure-all it's always made out to be.

ETA (from his website):

Organic food is more expensive; is it worth the money?
I like to say, “pay more, eat less.” There’s no escaping the fact that better food—whether measured by taste or nutritional quality (which often correspond)— costs more, usually because it has been grown with more care and less intensively. Not everyone can afford to eat high-quality food in American, and that is shameful; however, those of us who can, should. Doing so benefits not only your health (by, among other things, reducing your exposure to pesticides and pharmaceuticals), but also the health of the people who grow the foods as well as the people who live downstream and downwind of the farms where it is grown. So while it would have been much simpler to say “eat organic” instead I suggest eating well-grown food from healthy soils. It is true that food certified organic is usually well grown in relatively healthy soils—soils that have been nourished by organic matter rather than synthetic fertilizers. Yet there are exceptional farmers and ranchers in America who for one reason or another are not certified organic and the food they grow should not be overlooked. Organic is important, but it’s not the last word on how to grow food well.

Recently a handful of well-controlled comparisons of crops grown organically and conventionally have found appreciably higher levels of anti-oxidants, flavonoids, vitamins, minerals and other nutrients in several of the organic crops. Of course after a few days riding cross-country in a truck, the nutritional quality of any kind of produce will deteriorate, so ideally you want to look for food that is both organic and local.

But I think eating vegetables and fruit is so important that I buy them even when they’re not organic –and even when they’re not fresh. There’s nothing wrong with frozen vegetables, and they’re usually a bargain. Some canned vegetables are a great deal, too, though they often have too much salt. The key thing? Eat plants (including whole grains), animals, and fungi as lightly processed as you can find them at the prices you can afford.

 
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I really haven't read this thread very closely so humor me with my initial thoughts.

Your calorie intake seems too low and that may impact your ability to sustain the diet.  I hate the word "diet" because it suggest a time period and most people just regain the weight after they return to their normal lifestyle.   I would bump up the calories AND the activity.  For an analogy, I wouldn't run my car on crappy gasoline.  1,200 calories give you more food options and 30 minutes is easily achievable, especially if you have a liberal definition of exercise.

Water is your friend - always good for you and it can satisfy "hunger" cravings. And get a good nights sleep.  What could be better for you than good rest and hydration?
The calories is actually an increase from what I did in Feb (750-900 a day range). I have thought about doing 1,500 but my main goal is really about trying to rebuild a healthy lifestyle of eating. I have done well with even lower calories. I don't want to change too much of what I am doing right now because I really want to try to get the brain retrained into a new lifestyle of eating. I want to give myself enough room to start to make choices (I took that away from myself for Feb) but not enough room where the choices can get me in trouble.

The activity goal for this month is also about establishing training for my brain and not really about my body (not yet). I want to establish a habit of being active each day. I want it to be small enough and flexible enough that I can truly do it every day. With three small kids, a job, commute, etc it is not always easy. 15 min may be somewhat of a challenge but I think it is doable. 30 min would be much harder and I am pretty sure I would end up not hitting the goal.

Drinking plenty of water but mostly not having to worry about the hunger pains. The bigger challenge is the mental aspect of wanting to snack on something or chew on something because I am bored or otherwise not doing something that is keeping my occupied. But yea, I do drink plenty of water thru the day.

 
Curious as what time of day you guys work out.  

I've found I can only maintain a regular workout routine when I go mid-day; morning I can't get my ### out of bed in the winter and after work I'm too wiped out to think about the gym most days.

A few years ago I was doing the morning workout but again that was hard to maintain more than 3 days a week.  I've worked out after work a few times but my night schedule is too crazy juggling time with my daughter, ex-wife, whores, clothe shopping and making sure I have a few racks on me at all times to pull that off regularly.  So, about a year ago I started going at lunch; it's the one time of day that I never have meetings and I even turn down "lunch meetings" and opt for happy hour unless it's absolutely necessary. 

Since doing that I even workout on the weekends same time of day.  I'll actually get antsy around 11:00 every day now in anticipation of a workout.  I've been going 7 days a week since the fall now.  I run about a mile everyday before each workout to warm up and run 3 miles on my "off days".   I'm trying to "bank" some gym days because I know I'll be traveling a lot again in the spring. 

Oh and look at me.
Huge challenge for me. I am more worried about my ability to hit my goal of 15 min of 'activity' every day for the month of March than I was of eating under 1K calories for the month of Feb. And the biggest challenge is time. Mornings will NOT work. I know that- I have tried a million times and they always fail because I am not a morning person and even when I was in top athletic shape it would not work.

Now, three small kids complicate things greatly.

I might have to try the lunch time but that is hard as I only have 30 minutes and I am in dress shirt.

 
I've started working out after work.  It prevents me from cracking that first beer when I walk in the door.  Wife has had to delay dinner, and I sometimes eat it cold, but this seems like the best option for me. 

 
I've started working out after work.  It prevents me from cracking that first beer when I walk in the door.  Wife has had to delay dinner, and I sometimes eat it cold, but this seems like the best option for me. 
Yea, I think the more I am progressing right now by doing it my way rather than what others think is best (and have mostly tried before) there is no one right answer. I am convinced more than ever after what I am seeing as a very successful month for myself that each person is different. Each person has different things that work or don't work. I am not a morning person- so trying to establish a work out in the morning will fail but others will swear it is THE BEST time to work out. I had a guy yesterday tell me about this tea he drinks before lunch and dinner and has lost 45 pounds in less than a year because of it- well, that is great but I hate tea and coffee and will not drink them, so it does not matter how great it might be, it is not for me. I think you have to take experience and educated advice and help that shape your thinking but you also have to work with yourself and figure out what works. What is best for you.

 
I love going for a hike or bike ride during the work day.   Its really the ideal time for me.   I try to do that at least 4 days a week.  One downside to the summer is that its too damn hot to do that.  Mornings are really nice though and there's so much extra daylight so I switch the bike rides to then.

 
Totally agree.  The failure rate of the low-calorie/shake/blender/weight watcher diets in extremely high because it's unsustainable.  You're making yourself weaker and slowing your metabolism if not done correctly (which is usually the case).  Cutting the sugar was a huge plus for me years ago.  It's amazing how much sugar is in things like ketchup or things you 'think' is healthy like fruit juice.

I also cut beer a few years ago; I'll have an occasional beer when I go out but that's very rare.  I might have had 6 beers in the last 6 months.  A far cry from the days of having beers after work everyday.

Cutting processed meats was also a big win for me.  If I want a slice of pizza, no problem just cheese only.  If I'm in a rush and grab a quick breakfast, no problem just egg & cheese.  Most of my meals are consistently a protein and veggies.  Even when I go out, I went to an Italian restaurant last weekend; ordered Chicken Marsala but with veggies instead of pasta.  
The failure rate of paleo diets is the same as any other.  It basically comes down to this - is the will to lose weight greater than the will to eat your favorite foods on a consistent basis.  That's it.  There's a million ways to lose weight. Most fail.  All fail if you decided to go back to old eating habits.

 
I love going for a hike or bike ride during the work day.   Its really the ideal time for me.   I try to do that at least 4 days a week.  One downside to the summer is that its too damn hot to do that.  Mornings are really nice though and there's so much extra daylight so I switch the bike rides to then.
Its too hot to walk?  Where do you live?  

 
My own anecdotal experience is that if I work out early in the day, it's easier to maintain my eating goals.

For one thing, I'm never hungry after a big workout.  As long as I have been drinking water, I won't be hungry.  And I cannot speak to the physiology of how you feel after a workout, or what chemicals get released, and on and on, but yes, I feel great after a workout, but it is always easier to make the smarter decision at dinner that night if I worked out that .  

Those that can diet without exercise, I salute you.  I dunno how you do it.  You must be very, very busy.  

 
The failure rate of paleo diets is the same as any other.  It basically comes down to this - is the will to lose weight greater than the will to eat your favorite foods on a consistent basis.  That's it.  There's a million ways to lose weight. Most fail.  All fail if you decided to go back to old eating habits.

 
The failure rate of paleo diets is the same as any other.  It basically comes down to this - is the will to lose weight greater than the will to eat your favorite foods on a consistent basis.  That's it.  There's a million ways to lose weight. Most fail.  All fail if you decided to go back to old eating habits.
This is so true.  Ive don't low cal, low carb, Atkins, primal...

In the end the problem is me.  I love food.  

 
So, you are saying there is still a chance?
It's a shame, I love cereal.

Anyone ever live in a foreign country?  I had a major epiphany in London (just moved back).  

While I was there, I lost about 20 pounds in about 3 months.  Without trying.  It's funny, once I realized I was losing weight, I started paying attention, and watched what I ate, but the weight was dropping off of me anyway.  Basically, in London, they have real food.  It's difficult to find the garbage we eat on a regular basis.  

I'm not saying anything everyone doesn't already know about processed foods and such, but seeing it in practice was eye-opening.  

And it's not about organic.  It's just about it being food.  Funny how real food just flies through your body.   Now, I get as much food as I can from local, small producers.  Vegetables that are just:  vegetables.  

 
Here is one funny thing- I always planned on March 1st being a reward day for hitting my Feb goal of under 1K calories for each day. I was thinking of a hamburger for lunch. Now, as I get closer to it, I still want the hamburger but I am wondering if my body will be able to take it. I think I may skip the hamburger and get some pasta with chicken. I think my body will do much better with that.

 
It's a shame, I love cereal.

Anyone ever live in a foreign country?  I had a major epiphany in London (just moved back).  

While I was there, I lost about 20 pounds in about 3 months.  Without trying.  It's funny, once I realized I was losing weight, I started paying attention, and watched what I ate, but the weight was dropping off of me anyway.  Basically, in London, they have real food.  It's difficult to find the garbage we eat on a regular basis.  

I'm not saying anything everyone doesn't already know about processed foods and such, but seeing it in practice was eye-opening.  

And it's not about organic.  It's just about it being food.  Funny how real food just flies through your body.   Now, I get as much food as I can from local, small producers.  Vegetables that are just:  vegetables.  
Two thoughts on that:

1) Portions are also smaller. When I was in Spain back in late 90's- I had to order several sodas because they cans were half the American size. Same thing in general here- portions are huge vs Europe.

2) I have a customer who worked for Kraft. We were talking about he explained to me that when they split into Mondelēz International it was mainly because Kraft wanted to grow overseas but they couldn't because most of the stuff they sell here they could not get past the international equivalents of the FDA because all of these other countries have banned all of this stuff. Makes you think.

Also, I have noticed more and more brands are getting rid of all of that stuff. A lot of the processed food we have in the US seems to be moving towards more natural formulas. They just announced not long ago that a candy manufacturer was going to be getting rid of all the food colorings in their products. Moves like that- which is good but still, makes you think. Makes you pay attention. I have been using Fooducate ap a lot which is helpful and educational and helps make better choices but that thing is harsh. Pretty much nothing gets an "A" unless you scan a raw thing of broccoli.

 
Huge challenge for me. I am more worried about my ability to hit my goal of 15 min of 'activity' every day for the month of March than I was of eating under 1K calories for the month of Feb. And the biggest challenge is time. Mornings will NOT work. I know that- I have tried a million times and they always fail because I am not a morning person and even when I was in top athletic shape it would not work.

Now, three small kids complicate things greatly.

I might have to try the lunch time but that is hard as I only have 30 minutes and I am in dress shirt.
@Chadstroma

That's tough to pull off even if you're working out in your office.  You need at least 10 mins to warm up and another cooldown/quick shower.  Any chance in talking with your superior about coming in 30 mins earlier or something so you can do an hour lunch?  I know it all depends on the job but I'd have a hard time turning down an employee that asked me this because they want to be healthier.   In the end, the company is going to benefit more from a healthy employee in many ways.

 
A lot of the processed food we have in the US seems to be moving towards more natural formulas. They just announced not long ago that a candy manufacturer was going to be getting rid of all the food colorings in their products. 
My perception is that this is largely a marketing gimmick.  Most processed foods are still bad for you even when they are described as "natural" or with other descriptions that sound like they would be healthy.

 
That's good news, and I would be apprehensive.  

Companies can slap labels like 'heart healthy' on anything they want, and it doesn't have to mean anything. 

Consider:  You see bread with the label 'No High Fructose Corn Syrup!'   

Why the #### would a bread company need to tell you that, and moreso, brag about it?  Why the #### was there HFCS in there in the first place.  

People that have the energy and effort to do these bizarre diets could put in the same effort to getting real food, and see better long term results.  In my admittedly uneducated opinion.  

 
Here is one funny thing- I always planned on March 1st being a reward day for hitting my Feb goal of under 1K calories for each day. I was thinking of a hamburger for lunch. Now, as I get closer to it, I still want the hamburger but I am wondering if my body will be able to take it. I think I may skip the hamburger and get some pasta with chicken. I think my body will do much better with that.


Probably not.  The starch will be removed somewhat in the pasta making it more likely to cause you stomach distress over the bread if you've been gluten free 100% the last few months.

 
@Chadstroma

That's tough to pull off even if you're working out in your office.  You need at least 10 mins to warm up and another cooldown/quick shower.  Any chance in talking with your superior about coming in 30 mins earlier or something so you can do an hour lunch?  I know it all depends on the job but I'd have a hard time turning down an employee that asked me this because they want to be healthier.   In the end, the company is going to benefit more from a healthy employee in many ways.
Not an option in the current position (retail banking). I am hoping for a move in the near future on a position that has me out of the branches and if I got that- basically I could do whatever I wanted for lunches mostly.

 
My perception is that this is largely a marketing gimmick.  Most processed foods are still bad for you even when they are described as "natural" or with other descriptions that sound like they would be healthy.
It's all subjective really. Most processed foods are not healthy absolutely but that doesn't mean that they can't change things to make them healthier

It is the market moving to adjust to consumers. If High Fructose Corn Syrup is the evil of the day then you see marketing to showcase that OUR product does not use it or you come up with a product that doesn't and want to show that it doesn't. If Gluten is the new evil then all these cereals will adjust to it. But in general, there seems to me to be an overall shift generated from the consumer that is forcing companies to come up with "healthier" products

 
It's mornings for me. I LOVE working out in the morning. When I don't get a workout in, I feel strange all day. And it helps keep me motivated to eat less throughout the day because I know I just busted my butt at the gym and I don't want to negate that work.

But I will say I feel much stronger in the evenings when I work out then.

 
It's a shame, I love cereal.

Anyone ever live in a foreign country?  I had a major epiphany in London (just moved back).  

While I was there, I lost about 20 pounds in about 3 months.  Without trying.  It's funny, once I realized I was losing weight, I started paying attention, and watched what I ate, but the weight was dropping off of me anyway.  Basically, in London, they have real food.  It's difficult to find the garbage we eat on a regular basis.  

I'm not saying anything everyone doesn't already know about processed foods and such, but seeing it in practice was eye-opening.  

And it's not about organic.  It's just about it being food.  Funny how real food just flies through your body.   Now, I get as much food as I can from local, small producers.  Vegetables that are just:  vegetables.  
Part of it, especially London and other European cities, is that you do a lot more walking. They have real downtowns, etc. where you ride the subway in from where you live and walk to work, you walk to lunch, walk back to the subway station, etc.  Not nearly as much driving, and the lay out of the city is conducive to that. That is something that would be very difficult to pull off in America (well, more so Los Angeles than New York) where you essentially need a car to get you to work.

SO, more "real" food and more exercise throughout the day leads to less obesity.

 
I can't run outside anymore.  Even the parks here have too much going on for me to enjoy a run in them.  I prefer a climate controlled treadmill instead of crossing streets, dodging other people, bikes, dogs, dog #### and most importantly, the increased risk of being shot by a cop.

 

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