If Bush was the next Barry, but Mario was the next (1 Viewer)

[GregR_2]

I am, in fact, a fanatical Cheesehead

That is all you had to say. Your judgement is clouded. It is like me saying the 90's Cowboys teams were the greatest in history and then saying my homerism doesn't cloud my judgement. It does.

I at least admit it......

You're on a roll man. To top it off, I'd suggest telling Doug Drinen he never bases any of his opinions on actual facts or stats.GB the humor of someone accusing MT's arguments of being non-objective.

 

[Tau837]

Let's put actual players into the mix.  Would the Texans be better off with these starters:

1. Domanick Davis at RB and Reggie White at DE

or with these starters:

2. Barry Sanders at RB and Anthony Weaver at DE

I'd say #1, hands down.

I get your point, but I'm not real sure Weaver = Dom. Perhaps:

1. Domanick Davis at RB and Reggie White at DE

or with these starters:

2. Barry Sanders at RB and Jared Allen at DE

OK, I'll be honest and say I don't know much about Weaver or Allen. I simply used FBG's IDP ranking for DL and chose the highest ranked current HOU DL, which is Weaver, since Davis is obviously HOU's highest ranked current RB.Regardless, I think the point is the same.

 

[Buckna]

I'm a Texan fan and I say screw the fans.

If the coaching staff thinks Mario is the next greatest DE ever, take the DE. Fans are fickle, most casual fans know next to nothing about football, as long as you win games the people will come. Take the player that will help your team become a contender. Defense wins championships and RB's are plug and play these days.

The Texans are in a no-win situation, they don't seem to be interested in Vince Young so you're going to get crucified by a large portion of your fanbase no matter which other player you take. So what does it matter what the fans think? Remember when the Eagles fans booed the McNabb selection? Exactly, what do fans know?

Rant over.

 

[Tau837]

Found this on another blog this morning, from a Skip Bayless article:

Don’t get me wrong — Bush will be a Pro Bowl back. But Vince Young will be an MVP — especially if he’s allowed to strap his hometown team on his back and carry it into the playoffs.But here’s the punch line in Houston: The Texans have worked so hard to talk themselves out of Young that they’re now talking themselves into North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams. Huh?No doubt this could be a negotiating ploy. The Texans didn’t have a visit scheduled with Williams until after their first sit-down with Bush’s agent, Joel Segal, who obviously expressed some jaw-dropping contractual wishes. Still, the Texans aren’t the only team falling head-over-better-judgment in love with the 6-foot-7, 295-pound Williams.Baaa! go the NFL sheep. If one team expresses awe over a player, others begin to see greatness that simply isn’t there.In all my years following NFL drafts, I cannot remember a player rising so far so fast so late. Several sources say the Texans’ fascination with Williams goes beyond merely threatening to take him if Segal won’t ease off his demands. The Texans are genuinely considering him.Mario Williams doesn’t belong in the same paragraph with Vince Young.The best thing Williams has going for him is that Julius Peppers played down Tobacco Road at North Carolina, and Williams and Peppers have one thing in common. They’re both basketball tall. That’s about it.Otherwise, Williams doesn’t belong in the same zip code with Peppers. When I watched Peppers in college, he jumped off my screen. When I watched Williams’ 7-5 NC State team, he didn’t once catch my eye.An independent NFL scout who was assigned to three NC State games told me: “If they hadn’t told me to watch Williams, I wouldn’t have noticed him.”This new emperor doesn’t have nearly enough clothes to go in the first five picks, let alone No. 1.

Given that this is from Bayless, does this guarantee that Mario will be the next Reggie White?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Reggie White > Barry Sanders > Michael Strahan > Dwight Freeney

This is a weak argument.

I didn't make an argument. I simply revealed the truth in all its glory.I love Barry and believe he's generally underrated; but I think the difference between Barry and a merely adequate RB, in terms of its effect on a game, is smaller than the difference between Reggie White and a merely adequate DE.

Strange that you mention this, because it's been on my mind a lot lately.It's almost a question of marginal utility.

I've been wondering if anyone ever came up with a theory of which positions carry the greatest value to a team put into a number value. It could be as simple as saying DE = 10, RB = 5.

Basically the question the OP posed boils down to.. what's better for a team DE=10 or RB=10?

Before, I always felt that DE/OT were the "10" positions, but now I'm starting to feel like CB is more of a "10" than DE.

Would the Texans be getting more bang for their #1 pick buck by trying to upgrade a 3 DE to a potential 10, or a 5 RB to a potential 10.

Even if you only feel the DE has "9" potential, is that better than "10" RB?

For my $, I'm saying DE.

My vote would go to "COACH"

Well that goes without saying almost. But I am thinking in terms of maximizing value under the salary cap. Money is probably better spent on the oline/dline/secondary/qb than on the rb/wr/lb positions.