If Jay Cutler chokes away the NFC title game.. (1 Viewer)

[two_dollars]

..would you think less of him? The Bears look absolutely unstoppable now, and I expect them to make it to the super bowl but there is always a chance that they could loose to the packers. Players like Peyton Manning, who has a ring but has a lowly 9-10 playoff record and Donovan McNabb who is only 1-4 in conference title games who are referred to as 'chokers.'

Would you consider Cutler a 'choker' if he has a terrible game against the packers?

 

[moleculo]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

This will only be Cutler's 2nd playoff game, so I think it is too early to label his postseason performance one way or the other. The only way I would think it would have any impact on how people perceive him would be if he blows the game in epic fashion on a Leon Lett or Bill Buckner type screw-up.

 

[Bri]

I'd just think the same as all of 2010. I guess he's better than Bradford and has gone farther with a curiously similar WR corps.

ETA and that the Bears were crazy to not get a pick from the Rams for Iglesias who just rots on their PS. If they don't like him, there's no doubt the Rams could have used him and Bradford would have enjoyed seeing a familiar face.

 

[Barry Foster]

Ditto. It's only Cutler's 2nd playoff game. Won't think any less of him at all.

And people who say peyton manning is a choker really need to rethink that statement.

 

[BigA]

Everyone thinks less of him anyways. No biggie. Just more cutler bashing.

 

[TheChairman]

I'll think he's a great guy when he chokes away the game.

 

[mlball77]

If he has a horrible game, his biggest critics will feel validated to some extent.

If he has a great game, his biggest critics will be much quieter. (unless CHI makes the SB and he struggles in that game, then they’ll be loud again)

And I don't think Cutler has been in enough big games to earn or discredit a label of 'choker' just yet, regardless of what happens vs. GB this week.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yes.

Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

 

[moleculo]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

 

[RnR]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

 

[DrJ]

I wouldn't think any less of him.

let me clarify: I don't think it's possible for me to think any less of him. I fully expect him to choke away the game, if it is at all close.

Or, he could mount a game winning drive and remind Broncos fans of what it was like to have a franchise QB. Either/or.

 

[Tickle Monster]

If?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Yes.Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

I don't think he'll be considered an elite QB if he wins this game.

 

[Shawnky]

:X

Can we please stop with these threads. They're pointless fishing trips.

 

[harryhood]

Yes.Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

Aaron Rodgers is not yet Elite then?

 

[rzrback77]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Yes.Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

Aaron Rodgers is not yet Elite then?

He's an elite fantasy QB, yes.Then from there what is the definition of elite, how many do you allow in that club?Here's my top 5 Qb's if I were to have a team with only 1 year to play.1. Peyton Manning2. Tom Brady3. Ben Roethlesberger4. Aaron Rodgers5. Drew BreesSo if you allow No. 4 in the elite group, to me he is elite even without a SB. If elite means top 3, then to me I would not put him in the elite category.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

I will be just as surprised rzrback77. However, if they do win I'll be willing to change my opinion. It's hard to win a SB and if he can lead that team to a Championship, then he'll deserve for his naysayers like us to rethink our stance on him, at least that's my opinion.

 

[rzrback77]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

I will be just as surprised rzrback77. However, if they do win I'll be willing to change my opinion. It's hard to win a SB and if he can lead that team to a Championship, then he'll deserve for his naysayers like us to rethink our stance on him, at least that's my opinion.

How many changed thier opinion on Eli Manning? And even if they did initially, have they reverted back now to pre-SB winning Eli?

 

[DoubleG]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

"Big ego" <> "standoffish"There are a lot of reasons people are (or are perceived...or reported by the media to be) "standoffish" - ego is only one of the possibilities, not the only one.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yes.Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

Aaron Rodgers is not yet Elite then?

I was If you had read my other post about how stupid it is to say something like "A QB is 0-1 in the playoffs so he can't be considered an elite QB" is just as foolish as saying that "a QB who wins a Super Bowl is a great QB".A QB DOESN'T WIN OR LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES. TEAMS WIN FOOTBALL GAMES.Ahem.......Sorry, it drives me crazy when people say these ridiculous things.

 

[tdmills]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

I will be just as surprised rzrback77. However, if they do win I'll be willing to change my opinion. It's hard to win a SB and if he can lead that team to a Championship, then he'll deserve for his naysayers like us to rethink our stance on him, at least that's my opinion.

How many changed thier opinion on Eli Manning? And even if they did initially, have they reverted back now to pre-SB winning Eli?

The last punky QB in Chicago did pretty well.

Eli's play has regressed, lots of INT's.

 

[tdmills]

Yes.Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

Aaron Rodgers is not yet Elite then?

I was If you had read my other post about how stupid it is to say something like "A QB is 0-1 in the playoffs so he can't be considered an elite QB" is just as foolish as saying that "a QB who wins a Super Bowl is a great QB".A QB DOESN'T WIN OR LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES. TEAMS WIN FOOTBALL GAMES.Ahem.......Sorry, it drives me crazy when people say these ridiculous things.

Nobody cares about your posts. You rarely post anything of value, you're lucky I haven't blocked your content yet. Hence, many others have probably already done this.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

I will be just as surprised rzrback77. However, if they do win I'll be willing to change my opinion. It's hard to win a SB and if he can lead that team to a Championship, then he'll deserve for his naysayers like us to rethink our stance on him, at least that's my opinion.

How many changed thier opinion on Eli Manning? And even if they did initially, have they reverted back now to pre-SB winning Eli?

I changed my opinion of Eli after that win. I'm not sure you can ever really revert ALL the way back, you can't take that ring away nor can you ever erase that great run he had that season.Cutler hasn't won anything yet but if he does go all the way, I'm willing to give him that credit. That's a big IF though even with 4 teams left.

 

[Gachi]

Did you just seriously copy and paste my thread??

 

[12punch]

you're lucky I haven't blocked your content yet.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yes.Only good QB's win the big games. He needs to win this game to be an elite QB.

Aaron Rodgers is not yet Elite then?

I was If you had read my other post about how stupid it is to say something like "A QB is 0-1 in the playoffs so he can't be considered an elite QB" is just as foolish as saying that "a QB who wins a Super Bowl is a great QB".A QB DOESN'T WIN OR LOSE FOOTBALL GAMES. TEAMS WIN FOOTBALL GAMES.Ahem.......Sorry, it drives me crazy when people say these ridiculous things.

Nobody cares about your posts. You rarely post anything of value, you're lucky I haven't blocked your content yet. Hence, many others have probably already done this.

Thanks for your input.Carry on with your blocks now. See if you can get to "M"

 

[flapgreen]

tdmills>mrpack

 

[Warrior]

If they win, it will be because of the defense.

If they lose, it will probably be because Cutler's 4 INT's overshadowed solid defensive play.

 

[identikit]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

 

[Mr.Pack]

tdmills>mrpack

And here I was thinking the only couple of Bear fans I don't mind here are you and Limp Ditka.

 

[FUBAR]

I will be very surprised if Cutler leads the Bears to a Super Bowl championship. However, even if they do win, I will still think that he is a punk with a big ego. He was that way at Vanderbilt and also at Denver. There are too many reports of his standoffish behaviour for me to not belive them.

I will be just as surprised rzrback77. However, if they do win I'll be willing to change my opinion. It's hard to win a SB and if he can lead that team to a Championship, then he'll deserve for his naysayers like us to rethink our stance on him, at least that's my opinion.

I'm happy to see some people have an open mind, Cutler draws more criticism than any other QB and only most is warranted.

 

[FUBAR]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

IMO, they're the least complete team and most stoppable. Winning will require Jay to play really well.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I wont think any less or more of him regardless of what he does. He is going to game manage and the defense is going to flex its muscles if the Bears can win. Cutler isn't on any kind of stage of his career where failure equates choking. There isnt any surprise factor.

Having said all that, I am really thinking the Bears do win this Sunday because of that stifling defense and the home crowd. I know everyone is hoping for the Packers in the big game, but I think Cutler can game manage his way to a win over the Pack. Doesn't make the second coming of Joe Montana.

 

[two_dollars]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

IMO, they're the least complete team and most stoppable. Winning will require Jay to play really well.

Not sure what you mean by least complete, I feel they are right on par with the other teams..Offensive ppg:

1) Green Bay 24

2) Pittsburg 23.5

3) NY Jets 23

4) Chicago 21

Defensive ppg:

1) Pittsburg 14.5

2) Green Bay 15

3) Chicago 18

4) NY Jets 19

Special teams rankings:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

1st - Chicago

5th - NY Jets

16th - Pittsburg

27th - Green Bay

 

[FUBAR]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

IMO, they're the least complete team and most stoppable. Winning will require Jay to play really well.

Not sure what you mean by least complete, I feel they are right on par with the other teams..Offensive ppg:

1) Green Bay 24

2) Pittsburg 23.5

3) NY Jets 23

4) Chicago 21

Defensive ppg:

1) Pittsburg 14.5

2) Green Bay 15

3) Chicago 18

4) NY Jets 19

Special teams rankings:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

1st - Chicago

5th - NY Jets

16th - Pittsburg

27th - Green Bay

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

 

[flapgreen]

Chokes away? What is that?

 

[two_dollars]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Team Rushing yards per carry (NFL rank):1) NY Jets 4.4 (8)2) Pittsburgh 4.1 (17)3) Chicago 3.9 (23)4) Green Bay 3.8 (25)And one can make the argument the packers have improved with Starks being a fresh legged running back, so yes, Chicago is pulling up the rear in the rushing department, but the Bears are bringing the most balanced offense as well.As far as the WR's are concerned, they have the fewest big names, and they don't have a fantasy stud. They are the fastest WR core left by far, and have no true stud to shut down. I think this works to their favor more than it hurts.They have the 2nd best rush defense in the NFL and fast physical corners. They have 2 pro bowl LB's, and a solid front 4 led by DMVP candidate Peppers.On offense, they key really is Cutler's and Martz' performances along with the pass protection. There will be no surprises by either team. Cutler's decisions is big issue, he has likely the strongest arm in the NFL and throws the best deep ball. If he can stay comfortable and has, it doesn't matter who is covering the WR's. That however is true for most NFL QBs.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Team Rushing yards per carry (NFL rank):1) NY Jets 4.4 (8)

2) Pittsburgh 4.1 (17)

3) Chicago 3.9 (23)

4) Green Bay 3.8 (25)

And one can make the argument the packers have improved with Starks being a fresh legged running back, so yes, Chicago is pulling up the rear in the rushing department, but the Bears are bringing the most balanced offense as well.

As far as the WR's are concerned, they have the fewest big names, and they don't have a fantasy stud. They are the fastest WR core left by far, and have no true stud to shut down. I think this works to their favor more than it hurts.

Can't agree with this. Besides Ward - the rest of the steelers are all about being fast

 

[FUBAR]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Team Rushing yards per carry (NFL rank):1) NY Jets 4.4 (8)2) Pittsburgh 4.1 (17)3) Chicago 3.9 (23)4) Green Bay 3.8 (25)And one can make the argument the packers have improved with Starks being a fresh legged running back, so yes, Chicago is pulling up the rear in the rushing department, but the Bears are bringing the most balanced offense as well.As far as the WR's are concerned, they have the fewest big names, and they don't have a fantasy stud. They are the fastest WR core left by far, and have no true stud to shut down. I think this works to their favor more than it hurts.They have the 2nd best rush defense in the NFL and fast physical corners. They have 2 pro bowl LB's, and a solid front 4 led by DMVP candidate Peppers.On offense, they key really is Cutler's and Martz' performances along with the pass protection. There will be no surprises by either team. Cutler's decisions is big issue, he has likely the strongest arm in the NFL and throws the best deep ball. If he can stay comfortable and has, it doesn't matter who is covering the WR's. That however is true for most NFL QBs.

Let's rank the teams by position.Coach: Steelers, Jets, Packers, BearsOverall Offense: Packers, Steelers, Jets, Bears (Bears were bottom 5 in yardage and 1st downs on the year, #21 in points.)Quarterback: Packers, Steelers, Bears, Jets (big separation from GB/Pit to Chi/NY)Running backs: Steelers, Jets, Bears, Packers (I think this is pretty big advantage over the Packers, but Starks has played well)Receivers (incl. TE): Steelers, Packers, Jets, Bears (frankly, this isn't close)OLine: Jets, Steelers, Bears, Packers (this seems close among all 4)Overall Defense: Steelers, Packers, Bears, Jets (a strength for every team, but looking at the stats, this is how it falls out)DLine: Steelers, Bears, Packers, Jets (I could be completely wrong here, it's my impression)Linebackers: Steelers, Bears, Packers, Jets (all 4 are pretty good)DBacks: Packers, Jets, Steelers, Bears (all 4 have a pretty decent advantage here)Just my opinion, but the Bears are in the bottom 2 on every offensive position and half the defensive positions. D is a strength for all of these teams. And the other 3 coaches are IMO better. Tomlin is well ahead of the other guys, Rex seems to be right now too.

 

[DoubleG]

The Bears aren't any more 'unstoppable' than the other 3 teams still alive.

IMO, they're the least complete team and most stoppable. Winning will require Jay to play really well.

Not sure what you mean by least complete, I feel they are right on par with the other teams..Offensive ppg:

1) Green Bay 24

2) Pittsburg 23.5

3) NY Jets 23

4) Chicago 21

Defensive ppg:

1) Pittsburg 14.5

2) Green Bay 15

3) Chicago 18

4) NY Jets 19

Special teams rankings:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

1st - Chicago

5th - NY Jets

16th - Pittsburg

27th - Green Bay

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Apparently you have forgotten that during the regular season they have beaten two of the other three teams left. HTH.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Like the vast majority of NFL QB's, Cutler is capable of being as electric or putrid as his supporting cast allows him to be. Chicago's O-line has been very hit-or-miss all year. When the running game is getting stuffed Cutler (read: damn near every QB) tries squeezing the ball where it doesn't belong and flat out hurrying throws to avoid the rush.

IMO, this game falls squarely on the shoulders of Forte and the O-line for the Bears. Cutler's day will probably be the by-product of whatever happens there. But...as always...it'll be Cutler's fault if he loses a fumble and throws two picks while Forte's 75 all-purpose yards on 23 attempts is glossed over.

Such is the life of an NFL quarterback.

 

[FUBAR]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Apparently you have forgotten that during the regular season they have beaten two of the other three teams left. HTH.

by a total of 7 points. They also lost to the Packers. Look, I'm not saying the Bears won't win, they very well could, but the comment about the Bears looking absolutely unstoppable is one I completely disagree with.

 

[DoubleG]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Apparently you have forgotten that during the regular season they have beaten two of the other three teams left. HTH.

by a total of 7 points. They also lost to the Packers. Look, I'm not saying the Bears won't win, they very well could, but the comment about the Bears looking absolutely unstoppable is one I completely disagree with.

There are "style points" in the NFL now?Here are the records of the 4 remaining playoff teams against each other this season:Bears - 2-1 (week 17 to the Pack)Packers - 2-1Jets - 1-2 (Lost to both NFC teams still alive)Steelers - 0-1 (The Steelers lost to NYJ)To say that the Bears are the "least complete team and most stoppable" (which you did in post #34 - which alone is blasphemy!) is just nonsensical.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I wouldn't think less of him because I didn't think much of him to begin with. He's exceeded my expectations so I see him in a better light as a player than I did no matter what happens Sunday.

 

[FUBAR]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Apparently you have forgotten that during the regular season they have beaten two of the other three teams left. HTH.

by a total of 7 points. They also lost to the Packers. Look, I'm not saying the Bears won't win, they very well could, but the comment about the Bears looking absolutely unstoppable is one I completely disagree with.

There are "style points" in the NFL now?Here are the records of the 4 remaining playoff teams against each other this season:Bears - 2-1 (week 17 to the Pack)Packers - 2-1Jets - 1-2 (Lost to both NFC teams still alive)Steelers - 0-1 (The Steelers lost to NYJ)To say that the Bears are the "least complete team and most stoppable" (which you did in post #34 - which alone is blasphemy!) is just nonsensical.

head to head records in the regular season matter now? I stand by my statement, the other 3 are more well rounded teams with the possible exception of Green Bay's running game.

 

[Controller Johnny]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Apparently you have forgotten that during the regular season they have beaten two of the other three teams left. HTH.

by a total of 7 points. They also lost to the Packers. Look, I'm not saying the Bears won't win, they very well could, but the comment about the Bears looking absolutely unstoppable is one I completely disagree with.

There are "style points" in the NFL now?Here are the records of the 4 remaining playoff teams against each other this season:Bears - 2-1 (week 17 to the Pack)Packers - 2-1Jets - 1-2 (Lost to both NFC teams still alive)Steelers - 0-1 (The Steelers lost to NYJ)To say that the Bears are the "least complete team and most stoppable" (which you did in post #34 - which alone is blasphemy!) is just nonsensical.

head to head records in the regular season matter now? I stand by my statement, the other 3 are more well rounded teams with the possible exception of Green Bay's running game.

I love it when people give their opinion as fact.

 

[RudeDog]

I wasn't terribly impressed with the Bears against the Seahawks, their running game is nothing special, their WRs are lacking. When I compare them to the other teams, their only real strength is special teams.

Team Rushing yards per carry (NFL rank):1) NY Jets 4.4 (8)

2) Pittsburgh 4.1 (17)

3) Chicago 3.9 (23)

4) Green Bay 3.8 (25)

And one can make the argument the packers have improved with Starks being a fresh legged running back, so yes, Chicago is pulling up the rear in the rushing department, but the Bears are bringing the most balanced offense as well.

As far as the WR's are concerned, they have the fewest big names, and they don't have a fantasy stud. They are the fastest WR core left by far, and have no true stud to shut down. I think this works to their favor more than it hurts.

They have the 2nd best rush defense in the NFL and fast physical corners. They have 2 pro bowl LB's, and a solid front 4 led by DMVP candidate Peppers.

On offense, they key really is Cutler's and Martz' performances along with the pass protection. There will be no surprises by either team. Cutler's decisions is big issue, he has likely the strongest arm in the NFL and throws the best deep ball. If he can stay comfortable and has, it doesn't matter who is covering the WR's. That however is true for most NFL QBs.

Let's rank the teams by position.Coach: Steelers, Jets, Packers, Bears

Overall Offense: Packers, Steelers, Jets, Bears (Bears were bottom 5 in yardage and 1st downs on the year, #21 in points.)

Quarterback: Packers, Steelers, Bears, Jets (big separation from GB/Pit to Chi/NY)

Running backs: Steelers, Jets, Bears, Packers (I think this is pretty big advantage over the Packers, but Starks has played well)

Receivers (incl. TE): Steelers, Packers, Jets, Bears (frankly, this isn't close)

OLine: Jets, Steelers, Bears, Packers (this seems close among all 4)

Overall Defense: Steelers, Packers, Bears, Jets (a strength for every team, but looking at the stats, this is how it falls out)

DLine: Steelers, Bears, Packers, Jets (I could be completely wrong here, it's my impression)

Linebackers: Steelers, Bears, Packers, Jets (all 4 are pretty good)

DBacks: Packers, Jets, Steelers, Bears (all 4 have a pretty decent advantage here)

Just my opinion, but the Bears are in the bottom 2 on every offensive position and half the defensive positions. D is a strength for all of these teams. And the other 3 coaches are IMO better. Tomlin is well ahead of the other guys, Rex seems to be right now too.

This alone invalidates your entire post. Revis alone is better than any other team as a group.

 

[RnR]

Like the vast majority of NFL QB's, Cutler is capable of being as electric or putrid as his supporting cast allows him to be. Chicago's O-line has been very hit-or-miss all year. When the running game is getting stuffed Cutler (read: damn near every QB) tries squeezing the ball where it doesn't belong and flat out hurrying throws to avoid the rush. IMO, this game falls squarely on the shoulders of Forte and the O-line for the Bears. Cutler's day will probably be the by-product of whatever happens there. But...as always...it'll be Cutler's fault if he loses a fumble and throws two picks while Forte's 75 all-purpose yards on 23 attempts is glossed over. Such is the life of an NFL quarterback.

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