If there were fantasy Rookie drafts held today (1 Viewer)

[biggamer3]

Interesting how guys can move in a couple weeks time in value

Chris Johnson will likely bump Mendenhall out of the top 4 spots

 

[biggamer3]

My top 4:

1) Chris Johnson

2) Run DMC

3) Forte

4) Steward

 

[ChuckLiddell]

DMac

Johnson

Stewart

Royal

(Forte)

 

[EBF]

I think most people would have a four man first tier of Forte, Johnson, McFadden, and Stewart in some order. Mendenhall's stock has sunk while Jones, Rice, and Smith have held pretty steady. Eddie Royal would be in the top 6-8 mix depending on format.

That said, I think we're seeing the typical overreaction to early returns. I've been playing FF long enough to have seen this many times. A decent young RB comes in, plays pretty well, and gets hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I saw the same thing that's happening with Stewart/Forte/McFadden/Johnson happen with Anthony Thomas, Julius Jones, Laurence Maroney, Michael Bennett, Kevin Jones, and Chris Brown. That's not to say that all of this year's top rookie RBs aren't the real deal, but a couple of these guys will fade back into mediocrity over the next 1-2 years.

The only guys I would actively pursue right now are Stewart and Royal. I'm confident that both players are the real deal and will be useful FF commodities for the next 5-6 years barring injuries. I also think Mendenhall is a nice buy low candidate if you can find an impatient owner and/or if you can afford to stash him for a season or two. I don't have a great read on the rest of these guys yet. Most of them have shown encouraging flashes. Chris Johnson appears to be a dynamic player who will contribute in PPR leagues and possibly more. I still believe that McFadden's actual value is lower than his perceived value. Forte is living up to my Chris Brown comparison beautifully, generating a lot of early hype just like Brown did in his first season as a starter. I still think he's a pretty common talent in the big picture. Felix Jones and Tashard Choice look promising. I don't have much to say about Ray Rice or Kevin Smith yet. Need to see more.

We'll know a lot more at the end of the season.

 

[Garts]

Stewart

CJ

McFadden

Forte

Mendenhall

 

[biggamer3]

I think most people would have a four man first tier of Forte, Johnson, McFadden, and Stewart in some order. Mendenhall's stock has sunk while Jones, Rice, and Smith have held pretty steady. Eddie Royal would be in the top 6-8 mix depending on format. That said, I think we're seeing the typical overreaction to early returns. I've been playing FF long enough to have seen this many times. A decent young RB comes in, plays pretty well, and gets hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I saw the same thing that's happening with Stewart/Forte/McFadden/Johnson happen with Anthony Thomas, Julius Jones, Laurence Maroney, Michael Bennett, Kevin Jones, and Chris Brown. That's not to say that all of this year's top rookie RBs aren't the real deal, but a couple of these guys will fade back into mediocrity over the next 1-2 years. The only guys I would actively pursue right now are Stewart and Royal. I'm confident that both players are the real deal and will be useful FF commodities for the next 5-6 years barring injuries. I also think Mendenhall is a nice buy low candidate if you can find an impatient owner and/or if you can afford to stash him for a season or two. I don't have a great read on the rest of these guys yet. Most of them have shown encouraging flashes. Chris Johnson appears to be a dynamic player who will contribute in PPR leagues and possibly more. I still believe that McFadden's actual value is lower than his perceived value. Forte is living up to my Chris Brown comparison beautifully, generating a lot of early hype just like Brown did in his first season as a starter. I still think he's a pretty common talent in the big picture. Felix Jones and Tashard Choice look promising. I don't have much to say about Ray Rice or Kevin Smith yet. Need to see more. We'll know a lot more at the end of the season.

You say Royal in the 6-8, i say a good case can be made for a top 3 spot in this rookie group

 

[EBF]

I think most people would have a four man first tier of Forte, Johnson, McFadden, and Stewart in some order. Mendenhall's stock has sunk while Jones, Rice, and Smith have held pretty steady. Eddie Royal would be in the top 6-8 mix depending on format. That said, I think we're seeing the typical overreaction to early returns. I've been playing FF long enough to have seen this many times. A decent young RB comes in, plays pretty well, and gets hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I saw the same thing that's happening with Stewart/Forte/McFadden/Johnson happen with Anthony Thomas, Julius Jones, Laurence Maroney, Michael Bennett, Kevin Jones, and Chris Brown. That's not to say that all of this year's top rookie RBs aren't the real deal, but a couple of these guys will fade back into mediocrity over the next 1-2 years. The only guys I would actively pursue right now are Stewart and Royal. I'm confident that both players are the real deal and will be useful FF commodities for the next 5-6 years barring injuries. I also think Mendenhall is a nice buy low candidate if you can find an impatient owner and/or if you can afford to stash him for a season or two. I don't have a great read on the rest of these guys yet. Most of them have shown encouraging flashes. Chris Johnson appears to be a dynamic player who will contribute in PPR leagues and possibly more. I still believe that McFadden's actual value is lower than his perceived value. Forte is living up to my Chris Brown comparison beautifully, generating a lot of early hype just like Brown did in his first season as a starter. I still think he's a pretty common talent in the big picture. Felix Jones and Tashard Choice look promising. I don't have much to say about Ray Rice or Kevin Smith yet. Need to see more. We'll know a lot more at the end of the season.

You say Royal in the 6-8, i say a good case can be made for a top 3 spot in this rookie group

There are few rookies I'd rather have in PPR. I think what we're seeing in Royal is the second coming of Laveranues Coles. Some of these RBs have more upside in FF leagues, but few of them are as low risk as Royal at this point. I feel pretty confident that I know what kind of player he is and what kind of value he's going to sustain over the next 4-8 years barring injuries.

 

[TitusIII]

McFadden

C. Johnson

Forte

Stewart

Royal

Jones

Mendenhall

Smith

EDIT: Doh...

 

[Iron_Far]

DeSean hasn't played his game yet.

 

[Northern Voice]

McFaddenForteStewartRoyalJonesMendenhallSmith

Chris Johnson?

 

[TitusIII]

McFaddenForteStewartRoyalJonesMendenhallSmith

Chris Johnson?

Doh...too many C. Johnsons floating around in the NFL, I'd put him second behind McFadden...What a great year for rookie backs...

 

[switz]

I still don't have Forte in my top-4, he sits at #5.

McFadden, Stewart, Jones, Johnson. At least from a DYNASTY perspective. I just don't have confidence in Forte long term.

McFadden, bad team, but I think he'll be the go-to guy sooner than later.

Stewart, good, but in an RBBC for quite some time.

Jones, wouldn't surprise me if he gets the lion's share of carries at some point. He's far more explosive than Barber, and Barber seems to wear down with too much work.

Johnson, same concerns as with Forte about long term durability, but he is more talented than Forte.

Mendenhall I have concerns with... though he should be the guy next year if Parker walks... my concern is if they resign Parker. And right now they don't seem to have any faith in Mendenhall.

 

[Football Jones]

My eyes tell me Stewart, Forte, & Chris Johnson (no particular order) are the real deal. Sometimes rookies produce out of the gate, but your actual scouting report isn't as glowing. They may or may not keep producing due to their situation. However, the 3 RBs I mentioned have elite talent & will succeed anywhere, IMO. Forte, for one, doesn't get the credit he deserves (even tho people are starting to like him & pay attention). Most people like Stewart, & most everybody is falling in love with CJ now, but Forte, WOW, does this kid not have incredible natural running ability?

As far as WRs, longterm, I like Hardy, Thomas, & Simpson the most (no particular order). It'll take those guys awhile, tho. Royal deserves mention for already claiming a starting position & he's looked pretty good, but I'm not as high on his fantasy prospects as some FFers. Good prospect, tho.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think most people would have a four man first tier of Forte, Johnson, McFadden, and Stewart in some order. Mendenhall's stock has sunk while Jones, Rice, and Smith have held pretty steady. Eddie Royal would be in the top 6-8 mix depending on format. That said, I think we're seeing the typical overreaction to early returns. I've been playing FF long enough to have seen this many times. A decent young RB comes in, plays pretty well, and gets hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I saw the same thing that's happening with Stewart/Forte/McFadden/Johnson happen with Anthony Thomas, Julius Jones, Laurence Maroney, Michael Bennett, Kevin Jones, and Chris Brown. That's not to say that all of this year's top rookie RBs aren't the real deal, but a couple of these guys will fade back into mediocrity over the next 1-2 years. The only guys I would actively pursue right now are Stewart and Royal. I'm confident that both players are the real deal and will be useful FF commodities for the next 5-6 years barring injuries. I also think Mendenhall is a nice buy low candidate if you can find an impatient owner and/or if you can afford to stash him for a season or two. I don't have a great read on the rest of these guys yet. Most of them have shown encouraging flashes. Chris Johnson appears to be a dynamic player who will contribute in PPR leagues and possibly more. I still believe that McFadden's actual value is lower than his perceived value. Forte is living up to my Chris Brown comparison beautifully, generating a lot of early hype just like Brown did in his first season as a starter. I still think he's a pretty common talent in the big picture. Felix Jones and Tashard Choice look promising. I don't have much to say about Ray Rice or Kevin Smith yet. Need to see more. We'll know a lot more at the end of the season.

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson. I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Johnson

McFadden

Stewart

DJax

 

[Burning Sensation]

My eyes tell me Stewart, Forte, & Chris Johnson (no particular order) are the real deal. Sometimes rookies produce out of the gate, but your actual scouting report isn't as glowing. They may or may not keep producing due to their situation. However, the 3 RBs I mentioned have elite talent & will succeed anywhere, IMO. Forte, for one, doesn't get the credit he deserves (even tho people are starting to like him & pay attention). Most people like Stewart, & most everybody is falling in love with CJ now, but Forte, WOW, does this kid not have incredible natural running ability? As far as WRs, longterm, I like Hardy, Thomas, & Simpson the most (no particular order). It'll take those guys awhile, tho. Royal deserves mention for already claiming a starting position & he's looked pretty good, but I'm not as high on his fantasy prospects as some FFers. Good prospect, tho.

I agree, if you dont like Forte, you havnt watched him play. He is not great at anything, but is very good at everything. I think this is why alot of people dont like him, but this guy is the real deal, and will be around for a while.

 

[Football Jones]

BTW, I didn't mention McFadden in my post above. I've never been totally sold on him, but I've always had him ranked pretty high. He's not quite in my top tier of Forte/CJ/Stewart, but I'm starting to warm up to him. I actually was quite impressed in the 1st week when I immediately noticed he'd hit the LOS hard & be willing to bang if he had to. A good RB has to have a certain amount of toughness & it looks like he has that trait.

FF is an ongoing evaluation. It never ends. McFadden has moved up my board.

 

[moderated]

Stewart

McFadden

C. Johnson

Forte

Felix Jones

Kevin Smith

Ray Rice

Hardy

Royal

Matt Ryan

Slaton

Charles

D.Jackson

Devin Thomas

Mendenhall

 

[switz]

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson. I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

Weren't you really down on Felix Jones? Maybe you aren't a good judge of talent either I think the thing with Mendenhall is that you can't really tell if he's better or not at this point, because he has Parker, an established starter ahead of him. McFadden had Fargas (now hurt) and nothing else ahead of him, and Fargas only came on last season. Stewart had DeAngelo Williams, who was never the starter in Carolina, unless you count him as the default starter before this season. Forte had no one ahead of him. Johnson had LenDale White who was in an RBBC last season. Some of these RBs had easy roads to opportunity, while others haven't.Two weeks into a season is a bit premature to call someone a bad judge of talent, when they never argued against a guys talent, but their durability. And durability is really hard to predict.

 

[Burning Sensation]

1.Mcfadden

2.Stewart

3.CJohnson

4.Forte

5.KSmith

6.Jones

7.Rice

8.Royal

9.Mendenhall

10.Slaton

11.Ryan

12.Hardy

 

[bcr8f]

Interesting how guys can move in a couple weeks time in valueChris Johnson will likely bump Mendenhall out of the top 4 spots

Ray Rice is too low. Chris Johnson will flame out soon.

 

[Burning Sensation]

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson. I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

Weren't you really down on Felix Jones? Maybe you aren't a good judge of talent either I think the thing with Mendenhall is that you can't really tell if he's better or not at this point, because he has Parker, an established starter ahead of him. McFadden had Fargas (now hurt) and nothing else ahead of him, and Fargas only came on last season. Stewart had DeAngelo Williams, who was never the starter in Carolina, unless you count him as the default starter before this season. Forte had no one ahead of him. Johnson had LenDale White who was in an RBBC last season. Some of these RBs had easy roads to opportunity, while others haven't.Two weeks into a season is a bit premature to call someone a bad judge of talent, when they never argued against a guys talent, but their durability. And durability is really hard to predict.

Show me where i was really down on Jones? I was skeptical of him due to situation, but i never doubted he had talent. I would take him over Mendenhall, thats for sure.

Two weeks into a season is a bit premature to call someone a bad judge of talent, when they never argued against a guys talent, but their durability.

What are you talking about here?

 

[Football Jones]

My eyes tell me Stewart, Forte, & Chris Johnson (no particular order) are the real deal. Sometimes rookies produce out of the gate, but your actual scouting report isn't as glowing. They may or may not keep producing due to their situation. However, the 3 RBs I mentioned have elite talent & will succeed anywhere, IMO. Forte, for one, doesn't get the credit he deserves (even tho people are starting to like him & pay attention). Most people like Stewart, & most everybody is falling in love with CJ now, but Forte, WOW, does this kid not have incredible natural running ability? As far as WRs, longterm, I like Hardy, Thomas, & Simpson the most (no particular order). It'll take those guys awhile, tho. Royal deserves mention for already claiming a starting position & he's looked pretty good, but I'm not as high on his fantasy prospects as some FFers. Good prospect, tho.

I agree, if you dont like Forte, you havnt watched him play. He is not great at anything, but is very good at everything. I think this is why alot of people dont like him, but this guy is the real deal, and will be around for a while.

Yeah, Forte is just a natural-born runner. You always look for traits which will transfer to the pros & those loose hips are something that immediately stuck out like a sore thumb the first time I saw him at Tulane. I instantly got a flash of Calvin Hill that day. Kinda weird, LOL. His vision is top-notch, too. And he's got that God-given burst that a lot of taller RBs don't have. When you consider he's an outstanding pass-catcher & good blocker, he's got a package that few rookie RBs ever possess.It's just fun to see him produce when many people thought his OL would be too much of a problem to overcome. I had serious concerns, as well. And it very well may be a problem before this season is over if they have anymore injuries. Look out when he gets more help from the OL plus another skill player or two. I believe this kid will be a full-fledged FF stud in time.

 

[switz]

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson. I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

Weren't you really down on Felix Jones? Maybe you aren't a good judge of talent either I think the thing with Mendenhall is that you can't really tell if he's better or not at this point, because he has Parker, an established starter ahead of him. McFadden had Fargas (now hurt) and nothing else ahead of him, and Fargas only came on last season. Stewart had DeAngelo Williams, who was never the starter in Carolina, unless you count him as the default starter before this season. Forte had no one ahead of him. Johnson had LenDale White who was in an RBBC last season. Some of these RBs had easy roads to opportunity, while others haven't.Two weeks into a season is a bit premature to call someone a bad judge of talent, when they never argued against a guys talent, but their durability. And durability is really hard to predict.

Show me where i was really down on Jones? I was skeptical of him due to situation, but i never doubted he had talent. I would take him over Mendenhall, thats for sure.

Two weeks into a season is a bit premature to call someone a bad judge of talent, when they never argued against a guys talent, but their durability.

What are you talking about here?

EBFs big issue about McFadden was his BMI... isn't that what you were referring to?

 

[Crippler]

No league format

in my Start 2 QB league with 6 pt TD, I still think the top 2 picks would be Ryan and Flacco followed by Stewart, McFadden, Johnson, Forte and than probably Royal.

 

[biggamer3]

No league formatin my Start 2 QB league with 6 pt TD, I still think the top 2 picks would be Ryan and Flacco followed by Stewart, McFadden, Johnson, Forte and than probably Royal.

you are smoking something, EVEN in a 2 QB league

 

[EBF]

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson.

Did you miss Stewart's name in there when I mentioned those backs?All I'm saying is that I've seen a lot of young backs burst onto the scene and get way too much credit way too soon. Sometimes these players are legit (Peterson, Tomlinson) and sometimes they're not (A. Thomas, C. Brown). It usually takes more than one or two games to determine this, which is why I generally don't advocate knee jerk reactions unless a player looks spectacularly bad or spectacularly good.

Too often the FF community sees only the upside when considering flashy young prospects. The reality is that a lot of players show flashes of greatness. Few of them sustain it. It would be a mistake not to factor this into your analysis. The NFL is insanely competitive. Only the very best survive in the long run.

I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

As I've mentioned, the absence of performance isn't the same as poor performance. It is not correct to say that Mendenhall isn't living up to expectations. Pittsburgh's own GM said something along the lines of, "He's everything we thought he'd be." There's little concrete evidence to suggest that he's a disappointment. As for the stuff about being a poor evaluator of talent, I play in the toughest leagues with the savviest owners and often do very well. I don't think many people with extensive experience playing against my teams question my acumen. Truth is, I was writing about guys like Eddie Royal, Ryan Torain, and Matt Forte before they became trendy sleepers.

http://nfldraftguys.com/features/08_five_to_watch.php

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...att+Forte\

Forte is a likely 2nd-3rd round pick. He's better than Tony Hunt and Brian Leonard, who were high picks in lots of leagues last year. Unlike some of the other 2nd and 3rd tier backs, he's big and strong enough to be a starter at the NFL level. I expect him to contend for the top 12 when it's all said and done.

I know my #### and everyone who knows me knows it. That doesn't mean I don't miss. Everyone does.

 

[massraider]

Stewart. matter of time before he becomes the lead dog, and is in a better long term situation than DMC. McFadden broke some nice runs, but Stewart looks lot better to me.

 

[biggamer3]

So far the consensus after 109 votes has:

1) Darren McFadden

2) Jonathan Stewart

3) Chris Johnson

4) Matt Forte

It seems like Eddie Royal would be the 5th if it let me do that many rounds.

 

[Burning Sensation]

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson.

Did you miss Stewart's name in there when I mentioned those backs?All I'm saying is that I've seen a lot of young backs burst onto the scene and get way too much credit way too soon. Sometimes these players are legit (Peterson, Tomlinson) and sometimes they're not (A. Thomas, C. Brown). It usually takes more than one or two games to determine this, which is why I generally don't advocate knee jerk reactions unless a player looks spectacularly bad or spectacularly good.

Too often the FF community sees only the upside when considering flashy young prospects. The reality is that a lot of players show flashes of greatness. Few of them sustain it. It would be a mistake not to factor this into your analysis. The NFL is insanely competitive. Only the very best survive in the long run.

I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

As I've mentioned, the absence of performance isn't the same as poor performance. It is not correct to say that Mendenhall isn't living up to expectations. Pittsburgh's own GM said something along the lines of, "He's everything we thought he'd be." There's little concrete evidence to suggest that he's a disappointment. As for the stuff about being a poor evaluator of talent, I play in the toughest leagues with the savviest owners and often do very well. I don't think many people with extensive experience playing against my teams question my acumen. Truth is, I was writing about guys like Eddie Royal, Ryan Torain, and Matt Forte before they became trendy sleepers.

http://nfldraftguys.com/features/08_five_to_watch.php

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...att+Forte\

Forte is a likely 2nd-3rd round pick. He's better than Tony Hunt and Brian Leonard, who were high picks in lots of leagues last year. Unlike some of the other 2nd and 3rd tier backs, he's big and strong enough to be a starter at the NFL level. I expect him to contend for the top 12 when it's all said and done.

I know my #### and everyone who knows me knows it. That doesn't mean I don't miss. Everyone does.

Hmm, wonder if this is part of the problem?

 

[biggamer3]

It seems instead of just admitting you might be wrong, you compare guys that you dont like to Julius Jones and Chris Brown, and compare Mendenhall to Larry Johnson.

Did you miss Stewart's name in there when I mentioned those backs?All I'm saying is that I've seen a lot of young backs burst onto the scene and get way too much credit way too soon. Sometimes these players are legit (Peterson, Tomlinson) and sometimes they're not (A. Thomas, C. Brown). It usually takes more than one or two games to determine this, which is why I generally don't advocate knee jerk reactions unless a player looks spectacularly bad or spectacularly good.

Too often the FF community sees only the upside when considering flashy young prospects. The reality is that a lot of players show flashes of greatness. Few of them sustain it. It would be a mistake not to factor this into your analysis. The NFL is insanely competitive. Only the very best survive in the long run.

I am not trying to be mean, but it might be that you are just a bad judge of talent. Alot of people on this board, and in the NFL thought that Mcfadden was better than Mendenhall. Only you and a handful of others thought it was a good idea to take Mendenhall over DMac. One of these guys is living up to expectations while the other....well, hasnt.

As I've mentioned, the absence of performance isn't the same as poor performance. It is not correct to say that Mendenhall isn't living up to expectations. Pittsburgh's own GM said something along the lines of, "He's everything we thought he'd be." There's little concrete evidence to suggest that he's a disappointment. As for the stuff about being a poor evaluator of talent, I play in the toughest leagues with the savviest owners and often do very well. I don't think many people with extensive experience playing against my teams question my acumen. Truth is, I was writing about guys like Eddie Royal, Ryan Torain, and Matt Forte before they became trendy sleepers.

http://nfldraftguys.com/features/08_five_to_watch.php

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...att+Forte\

Forte is a likely 2nd-3rd round pick. He's better than Tony Hunt and Brian Leonard, who were high picks in lots of leagues last year. Unlike some of the other 2nd and 3rd tier backs, he's big and strong enough to be a starter at the NFL level. I expect him to contend for the top 12 when it's all said and done.

I know my #### and everyone who knows me knows it. That doesn't mean I don't miss. Everyone does.

EBF you have some great points in their, ignore the haters you know your football like few do.Enjoy your posts here

 

[switz]

I know my #### and everyone who knows me knows it. That doesn't mean I don't miss. Everyone does.

Hmm, wonder if this is part of the problem?

Love your selective highlighting. Focusing on the first, and not the latter. Come on BS, you are better than this. You insulted him, and then when he replies rather decently, you attack him again. Gimme a break.

I'm not even sure what you are attacking him for...

 

[Burning Sensation]

I know my #### and everyone who knows me knows it. That doesn't mean I don't miss. Everyone does.

Hmm, wonder if this is part of the problem?

Love your selective highlighting. Focusing on the first, and not the latter. Come on BS, you are better than this. You insulted him, and then when he replies rather decently, you attack him again. Gimme a break.

I'm not even sure what you are attacking him for...

How did i attack him?

 

[UnknownCoach]

BEFORE

McFadden

Mendenhall

Stewart

Jones

Johnson

Forte

Smith

Ryan

Rice

Torain

NOW

McFadden

Mendenhall

Stewart

Johnson

Jones

Forte

Smith

Rice

Ryan

Slaton

Torain

Not a huge difference. Its only been two weeks and everyone's role is about what I expected. Rice and Slaton are currently getting more action than expected but that's at least partially due to injuries. Torain's injury sucks because I think he'd be starting right now yet you know Denver will draft another back next year.

 

[biggamer3]

BEFOREMcFaddenMendenhallStewartJonesJohnsonForteSmithRyanRiceTorainNOWMcFaddenMendenhallStewartJohnsonJonesForteSmithRiceRyanSlatonTorainNot a huge difference. Its only been two weeks and everyone's role is about what I expected. Rice and Slaton are currently getting more action than expected but that's at least partially due to injuries. Torain's injury sucks because I think he'd be starting right now yet you know Denver will draft another back next year.

You might be the only one who likes Mendenhall in the top 2.Not saying he wont be great but its hard to put him in front of Steward and Johnson at this point

 

[Burning Sensation]

BEFOREMcFaddenMendenhallStewartJonesJohnsonForteSmithRyanRiceTorainNOWMcFaddenMendenhallStewartJohnsonJonesForteSmithRiceRyanSlatonTorainNot a huge difference. Its only been two weeks and everyone's role is about what I expected. Rice and Slaton are currently getting more action than expected but that's at least partially due to injuries. Torain's injury sucks because I think he'd be starting right now yet you know Denver will draft another back next year.

You might be the only one who likes Mendenhall in the top 2.Not saying he wont be great but its hard to put him in front of Steward and Johnson at this point

#2 who would you take, if held todayDarren McFadden [ 39 ] [27.66%] Matt Forte [ 17 ] [12.06%] Jonathan Stewart [ 46 ] [32.62%] Rashard Mendenhall [ 0 ] [0.00%]

 

[jurb26]

Very little has changed with my rankings, but here is where I'd rank them now:

1. McFadden

2. Stewart

3. C. Johnson (biggest mover)

4. Forte

5. Mendenhall (biggest drop)

6. K. Smith

7. Ryan

8. Flacco

9. Hardy

10. D. Jackson

 

[wonderdork]

1. J Stewart

2. CJ3

3. Forte

4. Felix

 

[comfortably numb]

I wasn't much of a Mendenhall fan, but I think it is interesting that after 2 weeks of play, he goes from 1-3 to about 7-10.

I can see the disappointment as he came in as the rookie who probably was expected to have the most impact early on, and has one of the least impacts thus far.

I think my main point would be after months/years of following said player, to knock him down after 2 weeks, with no injury issues is a bit short sighted.

Rookie drafts are more towards the marathon, rather than the sprint.

 

[biggamer3]

I wasn't much of a Mendenhall fan, but I think it is interesting that after 2 weeks of play, he goes from 1-3 to about 7-10.I can see the disappointment as he came in as the rookie who probably was expected to have the most impact early on, and has one of the least impacts thus far.I think my main point would be after months/years of following said player, to knock him down after 2 weeks, with no injury issues is a bit short sighted.Rookie drafts are more towards the marathon, rather than the sprint.

understood but Mendanhall should be behind Parker for likely this season and next, while the others will be featured backs thus the drop in rankings

 

[gdg76]

I might not still take Mendenhall with the third pick, but I don't feel bad about having done it

I have 4 quality starting RBs (AD, Reggie Bush, Michael Turner, and Thomas Jones) and I can only start 2.

I figure Mendenhall will be best in yr 3 or so when some of these guys have fizzled out. So I am fine waiting. Probably wrong but sometimes in dynasty "right now" is not what you need.

 

[Lash]

"""As I've mentioned, the absence of performance isn't the same as poor performance. It is not correct to say that Mendenhall isn't living up to expectations. Pittsburgh's own GM said something along the lines of, "He's everything we thought he'd be." There's little concrete evidence to suggest that he's a disappointment. """

would a GM admit and say "He's not adjusting well to the NFL and fumbles an extraordinary amount"?

 

[comfortably numb]

I wasn't much of a Mendenhall fan, but I think it is interesting that after 2 weeks of play, he goes from 1-3 to about 7-10.I can see the disappointment as he came in as the rookie who probably was expected to have the most impact early on, and has one of the least impacts thus far.I think my main point would be after months/years of following said player, to knock him down after 2 weeks, with no injury issues is a bit short sighted.Rookie drafts are more towards the marathon, rather than the sprint.

understood but Mendanhall should be behind Parker for likely this season and next, while the others will be featured backs thus the drop in rankings

Maybe, but there were not many people ( i heard none) who felt Mendy was 2 years away from being the starter back in June

 

[EBF]

"""As I've mentioned, the absence of performance isn't the same as poor performance. It is not correct to say that Mendenhall isn't living up to expectations. Pittsburgh's own GM said something along the lines of, "He's everything we thought he'd be." There's little concrete evidence to suggest that he's a disappointment. """would a GM admit and say "He's not adjusting well to the NFL and fumbles an extraordinary amount"?

You have a point. An organization will usually try to focus on the positive when asked about its young prospects. I remember back when William Green was struggling with the Browns, Butch Davis insisted that he was the real deal and that he reminded him a lot of Edgerrin James. People aren't always quick to admit their mistakes. That said, there's really no merit to the idea that a player is a disappointment just because he's failed to make an immediate impact playing behind a Pro Bowl caliber starter. It's an assumption with no factual basis. Lots of elite backs had very quiet rookie seasonseuce McAllister - 16 carries, 91 yardsBrian Westbrook - 46 carries, 193 yardsShaun Alexander - 64 carries, 313 yardsAhman Green - 35 carries, 209 yardsLarry Johnson - 20 carries, 85 yardsWillie Parker - 32 carries, 186 yardsRudi Johnson - 17 carries, 67 yardsIf you were myopic enough to downgrade a player on the basis of limited opportunities in his rookie season, you would've missed out on some of the elite FF backs of the last decade. The truth is, you can't definitely say what a player is or isn't until he's had ample opportunities to prove himself against real competition. Saying that Mendenhall must be a disappointment because he only has 10 carries in two weeks is pure conjecture.

 

[biggamer3]

Forte might be my number #1 if draft was done again today

 

[rock753]

I think most people would have a four man first tier of Forte, Johnson, McFadden, and Stewart in some order. Mendenhall's stock has sunk while Jones, Rice, and Smith have held pretty steady. Eddie Royal would be in the top 6-8 mix depending on format. That said, I think we're seeing the typical overreaction to early returns. I've been playing FF long enough to have seen this many times. A decent young RB comes in, plays pretty well, and gets hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I saw the same thing that's happening with Stewart/Forte/McFadden/Johnson happen with Anthony Thomas, Julius Jones, Laurence Maroney, Michael Bennett, Kevin Jones, and Chris Brown. That's not to say that all of this year's top rookie RBs aren't the real deal, but a couple of these guys will fade back into mediocrity over the next 1-2 years. The only guys I would actively pursue right now are Stewart and Royal. I'm confident that both players are the real deal and will be useful FF commodities for the next 5-6 years barring injuries. I also think Mendenhall is a nice buy low candidate if you can find an impatient owner and/or if you can afford to stash him for a season or two. I don't have a great read on the rest of these guys yet. Most of them have shown encouraging flashes. Chris Johnson appears to be a dynamic player who will contribute in PPR leagues and possibly more. I still believe that McFadden's actual value is lower than his perceived value. Forte is living up to my Chris Brown comparison beautifully, generating a lot of early hype just like Brown did in his first season as a starter. I still think he's a pretty common talent in the big picture. Felix Jones and Tashard Choice look promising. I don't have much to say about Ray Rice or Kevin Smith yet. Need to see more. We'll know a lot more at the end of the season.

You say Royal in the 6-8, i say a good case can be made for a top 3 spot in this rookie group

Over Desean Jackson?

 

[ThePittbully]

1.) Chris Johnson

2.) Matt Forte

3.) Jonathan Stewart

4.) DMC

 

[FUBAR]

How did I miss this thread 2 weeks ago?

Right now:

1. CJ3

2. Stew

3. Forte

4. DMC

5. Slaton

6. Jackson

7. Royal

8. Mendenhall

9. Ryan

10. Felix

11. Rice

12. Flacco

Obviously this will differ in different formats. Ryan/Flacco get bumped to 5 or 6 in 2 QB leagues.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

liar. this poll appears to be of average size.

 

[two_dollars]

1) Forte

2) Slaton

3) Stewart

4) Johnson