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Illegal immigration (1 Viewer)

Higgs said:
No doubt.  But in this particular case the illegal immigrant rape could easily have been prevented if they had simply returned him when he was caught entering illegally.
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So then he goes and rapes some other poor fourteen year old girl in another country. 

From a universal morality standpoint, how is that any different? 

 
Can someone explain to me how catch and release works?  I'm trying  to get across the border.  I'm caught.  Where am I released?  Can I just try to cross again?

 
Prince Myshkin said:
what do you do with the ones you catch? and what percentage of illegal immigrants will that get rid of?  
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That's the question we should be focusing on.  Personally I think there should be some form of amnesty for those who have been here a long time, crime free, and have contributed to the country.  We'd have to debate what those parameters should be.  But we can't even get past jump street when we've got insane policies like catch and release and sanctuary cities.  Hopefully we can put together a holistic solution, because the current state of things is completely dysfunctional.

 
I hate rape.  I hate when people post rape stories that I have to read, because honestly I'd rather enjoy my evening in my bubble, watch a tv show, chill w the fam, etc.

Id rather not think about the fact that approximately 40 people in the US alone have been victims of sexual assault since this thread began 2 hours ago.  When I wake up and check this thread in 10 hours another 200 people (in the US alone) will have been victims of sexual assault.

So it's a little sickening to see the outrage against rape blossom only when it finally lines up with people's political motivations.

If there is any group of people you hate or dislike, and you sit around and wait for someone in that group to "screw up", then you suddenly become ultra concerned with the plight of the victim and scream about the injustice...

That's kind of sick and no one is buying the fake concern for the victim.

Lets face it, everyone on this board hopefully hates sexual assault and no one is cool w it.  

Don't politicize one rape. That's not showing concern for the victim.  It's using her assault and her horrific experience to win arguments that bolster  your ridiculous and meaningless political opinions.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Again, you said before you are pretty close to "off the boat."  How would you feel if your people were treated the way you want the law to be enforced? 

I will tell you as a 3rd generation American I know what my people went through, you don't seem to have a clue.  It sucked, they were absolutely treated unfairly and your people wen through the same thing.  So to have your stance now, it's mind-boggling.  If you were some dumb slave-owning WASP i could understand, but you said you are of Irish/Italian origin.  Those people were treated like you are treating immigrants today.  It's terrible IMO. 
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I love immigrants, and I treat them extremely well.  They are the true underdogs of society.  They are hungrier and stronger.  They appreciate the country so much more.  I want them here.  I especially love South Americans.  Put Brazilian women at the front of the line.

But do it all legally.  That's all.

 
Higgs said:
Is that your opinion or fact?  I would think illegals would be more likely to commit crimes for a number of obvious reasons (legals are vetted, they are set up for success, and they followed the rules in getting here which seems to imply better character).
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For someone supposedly passionate about illegal immigration, you sure are ignorant to the basic facts.  

 
tommyGunZ said:
For someone supposedly passionate about illegal immigration, you sure are ignorant to the basic facts.  
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What facts?  I'm genuinely interested in knowing.  I've already evolved on this issue just based on what I've learned here.

 
Higgs said:
I love immigrants, and I treat them extremely well.  They are the true underdogs of society.  They are hungrier and stronger.  They appreciate the country so much more.  I want them here.  I especially love South Americans.  Put Brazilian women at the front of the line.

But do it all legally.  That's all.
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Yes, this is all correct. 

My buddy is a foreign service officer in Brazil, going to visit him next year.  :pickle: :banned:

 
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Higgs said:
What facts?  I'm genuinely interested in knowing.  I've already evolved on this issue just based on what I've learned here.
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It is a demonstrated fact that when we execute the simple solution, people learn they didn't actually want it solved.

 
Higgs said:
I love immigrants, and I treat them extremely well.  They are the true underdogs of society.  They are hungrier and stronger.  They appreciate the country so much more.  I want them here.  I especially love South Americans.  Put Brazilian women at the front of the line.

But do it all legally.  That's all.
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Ever been to rural Mexico or a Central American country?  Not the touristy parts, but the real parts? I saw houses made out of sticks.  Not logs. Sticks. Like this except not as nice.  Like if the wind picked up over 20 mph or so, you are rebuilding your stick house. No electricity, no running water, no floor.  F that noise.  If I lived there, I'm getting my ### here...legally, illegally, any way I possibly can.   

 
Prince Myshkin said:
Ever been to rural Mexico or a Central American country?  Not the touristy parts, but the real parts? I saw houses made out of sticks.  Not logs. Sticks. Like this except not as nice.  Like if the wind picked up over 20 mph or so, you are rebuilding your stick house. No electricity, no running water, no floor.  F that noise.  If I lived there, I'm getting my ### here...legally, illegally, any way I possibly can.   
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Absolutely.   If my family was living in those conditions and I could give them a better life by coming to the US illegally, that's an easy decision.   

 
I have an idea, let's take an incredibly tragic and genuinely rare situation and generalize it for political purposes, ignoring all other facts and data. 

 
If you grew up in the hood and understand OG rights on teenage girls, you wouldn't be very shocked by this story. 

What happened was terrible, not dismissing that at all, but let's be real here.  There were 85k rapes in the US last year, how many were commited by illegals?  20?  Less?  All gross, all terrible, but let's be real here. 

 
Long Ball Larry said:
If only there were no immigrants, there would never be any rape.  It's so simple, a baby could understand!
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See that is where the liberal rhetoric gets it wrong every single time.  What us republicans are fighting is Illegal immigration. Just to clarify I will state it one more time "illegal immigration". Any illegal immigrant that commits a crime such as rape or murder they should be immediately deported and any self respecting American Republican or Liberal should want to get rid of illegal immigrants that are rapists or murderers. 

 
timschochet said:
I will continue to repeat this because people refuse to accept it: every study that has ever been done on this subject shows that undocumented immigrants commit LESS violent crimes, per percentage, than American citizens do. As awful as these stories are, they are anecdotes, not representative of how undocumented people act, and they should not be used as a reason for policy.
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Yet if these illegal immigrants were not allowed to stay in the U.S. like the law says that poor girl would not have been raped. How anyone can argue otherwise I feel sad for them.

 
timschochet said:
Also- the OP is incorrect. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. Coming into this country without documents is a misdemeanor. But that doesn't make a person "illegal". There is no such thing as an illegal person.
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You are partly correct. The first time is a misdemeanor, however if they are deported and come back illegally again then it is a felony. So yes there are illegal immigrants. 

 
The point isn't that anybody is fine with what happened. The point is it's the exception not the rule. Pulling anecdotal evidence out of your butt to try to make a point applicable to millions of people is ridiculous. Especially when the facts are readily available to anyone who really gives a #### about having an informed view and it takes two minutes on Google to locate that info. So you have to assume someone that doesn't put in that two minutes about something they act passionate about is being deliberately obtuse for some reason. I wonder why they would do that? Do they like being perceived as lazy and uninformed? Or is it something else entirely?

 
Badm said:
Universal morality? What the hell is that?
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Yeah this is a real head-scratcher, right? Universal morality.. 

Like, what could that possibly be? I mean, the term morality I understand but universal morality? I'm ####### stumped.

If only I had paid attention to the vocabulary lessons in kindergarten I might not be sitting her absolutely perplexed right now.

 
NCCommish said:
The point isn't that anybody is fine with what happened. The point is it's the exception not the rule. Pulling anecdotal evidence out of your butt to try to make a point applicable to millions of people is ridiculous. Especially when the facts are readily available to anyone who really gives a #### about having an informed view and it takes two minutes on Google to locate that info. So you have to assume someone that doesn't put in that two minutes about something they act passionate about is being deliberately obtuse for some reason. I wonder why they would do that? Do they like being perceived as lazy and uninformed? Or is it something else entirely?
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In General Tso's case (@Higgs)... we already know the reasons.  They are much worse than being lazy and uninformed.

 
NCCommish said:
The point isn't that anybody is fine with what happened. The point is it's the exception not the rule. Pulling anecdotal evidence out of your butt to try to make a point applicable to millions of people is ridiculous. Especially when the facts are readily available to anyone who really gives a #### about having an informed view and it takes two minutes on Google to locate that info. So you have to assume someone that doesn't put in that two minutes about something they act passionate about is being deliberately obtuse for some reason. I wonder why they would do that? Do they like being perceived as lazy and uninformed? Or is it something else entirely?
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What is your argument for not preventing illegal immigration?  So far I haven't heard one.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
Yeah this is a real head-scratcher, right? Universal morality.. 

Like, what could that possibly be? I mean, the term morality I understand but universal morality? I'm ####### stumped.

If only I had paid attention to the vocabulary lessons in kindergarten I might not be sitting her absolutely perplexed right now.
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I think it means that we have to help everyone in the world.

 
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