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Impacts of the changes in St.Louis (1 Viewer)

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Let's hear some views on the situation here. Linahan is said to be demoting Greg Olsen and taking back the offensive play calling. Couple that with Frerotte starting for at least a couple weeks, what will be the impact on the WRs of St.Louis and Brian Leonard? I've heard that Incognito is going to be back this week. Are we seeing the beginning of a small turn around in overall offensive production for the Rams?

 
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Let's hear some views on the situation here. Linahan is said to be demoting Greg Olsen and taking back the offensive play calling. Couple that with Frerotte starting for at least a couple weeks, what will be the impact on the WRs of St.Louis and Brian Leonard? I've heard that Incognito is going to be back this week. Are we seeing the beginning of a small turn around in overall offensive production for the Rams?
I'm a Rams homer. I think this is good news, Bulger is obviously in no condition as was evident in the game v Dallas. If you watched the last couple of games Bulger is missing on his bread and butter passes (i.e. deep-ins, quick outs) that he's made in prior years. Frerotte knows the offense very well having played under Linehan in the past, so no huge drop off. I'm not sure about Linehan taking over the play calling from Olsen, last year he did the exact opposite. The Rams are in trouble from management down to the product they put on the field every week. The poor draft selections and questionable FA pick ups is catching up with them. On a side note, is there a bigger FA bust then Drew Bennett?
 
Let's hear some views on the situation here. Linahan is said to be demoting Greg Olsen and taking back the offensive play calling. Couple that with Frerotte starting for at least a couple weeks, what will be the impact on the WRs of St.Louis and Brian Leonard? I've heard that Incognito is going to be back this week. Are we seeing the beginning of a small turn around in overall offensive production for the Rams?
I'm a Rams homer. I think this is good news, Bulger is obviously in no condition as was evident in the game v Dallas. If you watched the last couple of games Bulger is missing on his bread and butter passes (i.e. deep-ins, quick outs) that he's made in prior years. Frerotte knows the offense very well having played under Linehan in the past, so no huge drop off. I'm not sure about Linehan taking over the play calling from Olsen, last year he did the exact opposite. The Rams are in trouble from management down to the product they put on the field every week. The poor draft selections and questionable FA pick ups is catching up with them. On a side note, is there a bigger FA bust then Drew Bennett?
Issac Bruce haven't practiced yet this week, so we might see Drew Bennett starting as WR2 this week. Maybe he'll have his first productive game this week
 
Doe McMichael finally start making an impact this week with this news?
Frerotte was the QB in Miami in 2005, and McMichael posted 582 yds and 5 TDs that year. So maybe the familiarity will increase McMichael's numbers starting this week.
 
I think the Rams O will be much better. Bulger was so afraid to take a hit that he locked in on one player and threw. No check downs. This resulted in lots of incompletions and picks. Hopefully Frerotte can spread the ball out more by check down and throwing to guys that are open rather than the first read...

 
Good news for the Rams offense...maybe B.Leonard a sneaky-sleeper pick this week...hear that Mr. Bryant?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...17?OpenDocument

Rams update: McCollum at left guard with first unit

By Jim Thomas

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

10/03/2007

As the Rams opened practiced Wednesday, Andy McCollum was at left guard, Richie Incognito at right guard, and Milford Brown was at right tackle (with Brandon Gorin getting some work at right tackle as well) with the starting unit.

Wide receiver Isaac Bruce wasn't practicing because of a hamstring injury, but cornerback Fakhir Brown was practicing for the first time since his four-game NFL drug suspension.

And yes, Gus Frerotte was at quarterback with the starting unit.

McCollum hasn't played left guard since the 2003 season, when he was the starter for the entire season there on the Rams' most recent NFC West championship squad.

McCollum was beaten out by Brett Romberg for the starting center job this season in training camp.

 
Just a few opinions, would love to hear feedback from other Ram diehard homers.

Bulger healthy or broken is a bad start.

Greg Olsen is a ##### and comes from nowhere special and doesn't deserve the offense he was given. I believe he was O coach of the Lions in 05 and Harringtons QB coach. In 05 the lions had the 27th ranked passing, 26th ranked rushing and 28th ranked scoring Offense in the league. The 2005 Lions had a ####ty, sack filled offense, just like Olsen was coaching his way to this year as well. I am stoked he is demoted.

Linehan did fine with play calling last year, even winning a few with another banged up O-line. He is too conservative and takes almost no chances unlike wild man Martz who would go for it on 4th and 8. The Ram receivers are not creating the seperation that they used to. Holt and Bruce have looked fair at best, age is taking a toll. And as someone pointed out, Bulger is not hitting his normal passes. He missed 5 easy Outs last weekend alone.

The O-line is a much bigger issue then people lead onto. The 3-4 defense of Dallas created so much pressure that Demarcus Ware was in the backfield almost every play. Any play action or delay handoff or fake pass/handoff resulted in a sack or a hurried play. Olsen did not adjust at the half and was crushed, calling the same plays that took too long to execute. The Rams front 5 can not block a decent DL and until they fix this they will have to rely on quick play calls.

Relying on quick play calls is difficult. If they send a 5 man rush then you have to find the 'open' man in a big hurry. With 4 rushing but a horrible O-line you shoudl have some time but that has been impossible for the Rams.

Bulger had no time for check downs. It was sad. Literally he didn't have time to take a 4 step drop let alone chekc down to a RB. Although he tried a few times out of pure haste.

Drew Bennett, hard to call him a bust. The Rams offense is not utilizing the 3rd WR like they have in years past. He has strength and height but lacks the ability to seperate from the defense.

The Rams have had trouble since the big decision not to fight for Vermeil to stay. 1999 was the year they won it all, Vermeil had Martz and the WR's and Faulk were untouchable. The next year Martz took over and the special teams and defense instantly looked different. They made it to playoffs but lost the first round to the Saints. Boffed Special Teams did them in. Warner had an excellent year as did the entire offense. 2001 was their return to the Super Bowl, it could have been better but some impetuous calls from Martz showed why the Rams should have held onto the cooler headed Vermeil for all he was worth. 2003, 2003, 2004, 2005 werre more of the same. Poor special teams, wickedly bad defense and the introduction of injuries to our better O-linemen, like Pace.

The Rams are truly so far off from the competition that if they were to receive the 1st overall or 2nd overall pick, that they should trade it immediately and pick up as many O-line as they can.

Linehan won't lose his job this year but he will next year.

:lmao:

 
On Sirius NFL Radio yesterday afternoon they mentioned the Rams brought in Wali Lundy for a look. Brian Leonard was the hot pickup a week ago, but in almost every ranking he is now way down the list. Was his performance that bad last week that he may not be the man during SJax absence?

Minor has been terrible and Pittman nonexistent.

 
On Sirius NFL Radio yesterday afternoon they mentioned the Rams brought in Wali Lundy for a look. Brian Leonard was the hot pickup a week ago, but in almost every ranking he is now way down the list. Was his performance that bad last week that he may not be the man during SJax absence?

Minor has been terrible and Pittman nonexistent.
I think it's a combination of a couple factors
After the initial rush of getting a new "starter" people are just thinking the Rams offense won't be reliable points no matter who is in there (Sjax couldn't do much, why would Leonard be successful?)
With injuries to Cadillac, Henry, Jordan, Addai there are a whole lot more guys attracting attention this week - Young, Graham, Pittman, Keith, Fargas, Rhodes, etc.
People assume Sjax will be back soon, so there is limited value in leonard over the longer term.
with bye weeks, some marginal guys get cut to pick up fillins at other positions, and if leonard isn't viewed as having starter productivity, he's a prime candidate to go.I think a lot of people are taking a chance on some of these other flavor of the week guys since they see Leonards' upside limited by both timeframe (Sjax eventually returning) and situation. The others are more appealing on one or both of these fronts.

 
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Incognito is due back into the lineup soon, Goldberg is out a few weeks, is there any chance that Stuessie. can be back after the bye week?

Offensive production starts with the Oline.

 
Just a few opinions, would love to hear feedback from other Ram diehard homers.Bulger healthy or broken is a bad start. Greg Olsen is a ##### and comes from nowhere special and doesn't deserve the offense he was given. I believe he was O coach of the Lions in 05 and Harringtons QB coach. In 05 the lions had the 27th ranked passing, 26th ranked rushing and 28th ranked scoring Offense in the league. The 2005 Lions had a ####ty, sack filled offense, just like Olsen was coaching his way to this year as well. I am stoked he is demoted. Linehan did fine with play calling last year, even winning a few with another banged up O-line. He is too conservative and takes almost no chances unlike wild man Martz who would go for it on 4th and 8. The Ram receivers are not creating the seperation that they used to. Holt and Bruce have looked fair at best, age is taking a toll. And as someone pointed out, Bulger is not hitting his normal passes. He missed 5 easy Outs last weekend alone.The O-line is a much bigger issue then people lead onto. The 3-4 defense of Dallas created so much pressure that Demarcus Ware was in the backfield almost every play. Any play action or delay handoff or fake pass/handoff resulted in a sack or a hurried play. Olsen did not adjust at the half and was crushed, calling the same plays that took too long to execute. The Rams front 5 can not block a decent DL and until they fix this they will have to rely on quick play calls.Relying on quick play calls is difficult. If they send a 5 man rush then you have to find the 'open' man in a big hurry. With 4 rushing but a horrible O-line you shoudl have some time but that has been impossible for the Rams. Bulger had no time for check downs. It was sad. Literally he didn't have time to take a 4 step drop let alone chekc down to a RB. Although he tried a few times out of pure haste.Drew Bennett, hard to call him a bust. The Rams offense is not utilizing the 3rd WR like they have in years past. He has strength and height but lacks the ability to seperate from the defense. The Rams have had trouble since the big decision not to fight for Vermeil to stay. 1999 was the year they won it all, Vermeil had Martz and the WR's and Faulk were untouchable. The next year Martz took over and the special teams and defense instantly looked different. They made it to playoffs but lost the first round to the Saints. Boffed Special Teams did them in. Warner had an excellent year as did the entire offense. 2001 was their return to the Super Bowl, it could have been better but some impetuous calls from Martz showed why the Rams should have held onto the cooler headed Vermeil for all he was worth. 2003, 2003, 2004, 2005 werre more of the same. Poor special teams, wickedly bad defense and the introduction of injuries to our better O-linemen, like Pace. The Rams are truly so far off from the competition that if they were to receive the 1st overall or 2nd overall pick, that they should trade it immediately and pick up as many O-line as they can.Linehan won't lose his job this year but he will next year. :banned:
BTW it was Olsens play calling last year that fueled SJAX's tremendous numbers down the stretch. He took over play calling from coach after their bye week last year and proceeded to go from an average offense to a dominate running attack.I do agree that he will lose his job next year, he's not a good head coach.
 
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ThresherD said:
Just a few opinions, would love to hear feedback from other Ram diehard homers.Bulger healthy or broken is a bad start. Greg Olsen is a ##### and comes from nowhere special and doesn't deserve the offense he was given. I believe he was O coach of the Lions in 05 and Harringtons QB coach. In 05 the lions had the 27th ranked passing, 26th ranked rushing and 28th ranked scoring Offense in the league. The 2005 Lions had a ####ty, sack filled offense, just like Olsen was coaching his way to this year as well. I am stoked he is demoted. Linehan did fine with play calling last year, even winning a few with another banged up O-line. He is too conservative and takes almost no chances unlike wild man Martz who would go for it on 4th and 8. The Ram receivers are not creating the seperation that they used to. Holt and Bruce have looked fair at best, age is taking a toll. And as someone pointed out, Bulger is not hitting his normal passes. He missed 5 easy Outs last weekend alone.The O-line is a much bigger issue then people lead onto. The 3-4 defense of Dallas created so much pressure that Demarcus Ware was in the backfield almost every play. Any play action or delay handoff or fake pass/handoff resulted in a sack or a hurried play. Olsen did not adjust at the half and was crushed, calling the same plays that took too long to execute. The Rams front 5 can not block a decent DL and until they fix this they will have to rely on quick play calls.Relying on quick play calls is difficult. If they send a 5 man rush then you have to find the 'open' man in a big hurry. With 4 rushing but a horrible O-line you shoudl have some time but that has been impossible for the Rams. Bulger had no time for check downs. It was sad. Literally he didn't have time to take a 4 step drop let alone chekc down to a RB. Although he tried a few times out of pure haste.Drew Bennett, hard to call him a bust. The Rams offense is not utilizing the 3rd WR like they have in years past. He has strength and height but lacks the ability to seperate from the defense. The Rams have had trouble since the big decision not to fight for Vermeil to stay. 1999 was the year they won it all, Vermeil had Martz and the WR's and Faulk were untouchable. The next year Martz took over and the special teams and defense instantly looked different. They made it to playoffs but lost the first round to the Saints. Boffed Special Teams did them in. Warner had an excellent year as did the entire offense. 2001 was their return to the Super Bowl, it could have been better but some impetuous calls from Martz showed why the Rams should have held onto the cooler headed Vermeil for all he was worth. 2003, 2003, 2004, 2005 werre more of the same. Poor special teams, wickedly bad defense and the introduction of injuries to our better O-linemen, like Pace. The Rams are truly so far off from the competition that if they were to receive the 1st overall or 2nd overall pick, that they should trade it immediately and pick up as many O-line as they can.Linehan won't lose his job this year but he will next year. :sarcasm:
i think you're wrong about a lot of this, including the stupid idea of trading the 1st overall pick for a bunch of OL. you might check out recent chats at the st louis post dispatch with beat writers jim thomas and jeff gordon to get an idea of how linehan's tenure compares to martz's, as well as what the organizational hierarchy looks like.linehan taking back the playcalling looks like desperation and/or an attempt to deflect blame. a year ago everyone was giving him huzzahs for giving up the playcalling, showing that he was responsible for the whole team, or something like that. they also gave him huzzahs for hiring haslett, showing that he was mature and confident enough to hire such a competent former HC who otherwise could steal his job. now he's taking the playcalling back, and the defense is worse than it was under marmie, according to FO's metrics. anyway, suffice to say there is little evidence that anyone there knows what they're doing. they run the ball more these days then they did under poor ol mad mike. the moral of the story is be careful what you wish for.
 
dwashington said:
Incognito is due back into the lineup soon, Goldberg is out a few weeks, is there any chance that Stuessie. can be back after the bye week?Offensive production starts with the Oline.
steussie is on IR. if incognito is healthy, that would be a huge boost.
 
North said:
BTW it was Olsens play calling last year that fueled SJAX's tremendous numbers down the stretch. He took over play calling from coach after their bye week last year and proceeded to go from an average offense to a dominate running attack.I do agree that he will lose his job next year, he's not a good head coach.
that's how i remember it as well, north, though to be fair they were playing some weak competition down the stretch. i thought their problem sometimes last year was that the defense would get killed and they'd have to give up the idea of running Jackson a lot.i agree on linehan, though i think the bigger problem is shaw/zygmunt. when you say next year, does that mean he coaches all of 2008 as well?
 
didn't mean to come off so rude, thresher. about the idea of trading down for OL, here's how i see it: if pace comes back OK, they have a pretty good core with pace/barron outside and romberg/incognito inside. after that, it's just a matter of shaking out some depth. an upgrade over setterstrom would be nice, as would a young OT, but that wouldn't require trading away that first pick, which they could use on dorsey.

 
dwashington said:
Incognito is due back into the lineup soon, Goldberg is out a few weeks, is there any chance that Stuessie. can be back after the bye week?Offensive production starts with the Oline.
steussie is on IR. if incognito is healthy, that would be a huge boost.
Stuessie on IR? I thought they gave him an injury settlement and released him?
 
Tale of the tapeScott Linehan and Greg Olson have called plays for 10 games apiece since Linehan became head coach at the start of the 2006 season. Their numbers:Linehan Olson94.4 Rushing yards 119.6240.1 Passing yards 228.8334.5 Total yards 348.420.2 PPG 20.44-6 W-L record 4-6Source: NFL Network
 
dwashington said:
Incognito is due back into the lineup soon, Goldberg is out a few weeks, is there any chance that Stuessie. can be back after the bye week?Offensive production starts with the Oline.
steussie is on IR. if incognito is healthy, that would be a huge boost.
Stuessie on IR? I thought they gave him an injury settlement and released him?
oh yeah - that's right, actually. even so, i thought he was was going to be out a while. are we talking a possible return in november?
 
dwashington said:
Incognito is due back into the lineup soon, Goldberg is out a few weeks, is there any chance that Stuessie. can be back after the bye week?Offensive production starts with the Oline.
steussie is on IR. if incognito is healthy, that would be a huge boost.
Stuessie on IR? I thought they gave him an injury settlement and released him?
oh yeah - that's right, actually. even so, i thought he was was going to be out a while. are we talking a possible return in november?
I think his injury gave an initial timetable of Week 11 (at the earliest) of him being able to come back and play.
 
JR, you didn't sound rude to me at all. I am just like that commerical I do a lot of talking out of my ####. lol

St Louis won their first couple of games under Linehans offensive play calling and they in fact had a slow start. Olsens numbers from Detroit are not good and Harrington wasn't great under him.

The Oline is so beat up and really under sized. Compare stats with Dallas' Oline and you will see what I mean. Those beef cakes in NE are monsters too. I like Richie INcogneeeeto, I met him last week so none of this is personal, it's personnel.

Pace is the man but may never come back from his injury. We waited all last year for him and he got worked within two games.

I watch and read the 'beat' writers views, and yes they can throw stats like mad men however there is one fact here, The Rams under Linehan for their second year are 0-4 and there is NO HOPE IN SIGHT.

The defensive four had almost no pressure on Romo. Haslett's D must rush at leats 1 more guy to even think about getting QB pressure and by that time TE or WR are open. Like Witten last week.

I watch every game and particpate in the ClanRam forums so I do sort of know what I'm trying to say...

I like these forums a lot.

BRING IT

 
Awesome stats on Olsen versus Linehan, thanks. It is clear to me that both are doooosh-bags. Thanks for clarifying.

 
North said:
BTW it was Olsens play calling last year that fueled SJAX's tremendous numbers down the stretch. He took over play calling from coach after their bye week last year and proceeded to go from an average offense to a dominate running attack.I do agree that he will lose his job next year, he's not a good head coach.
that's how i remember it as well, north, though to be fair they were playing some weak competition down the stretch. i thought their problem sometimes last year was that the defense would get killed and they'd have to give up the idea of running Jackson a lot.i agree on linehan, though i think the bigger problem is shaw/zygmunt. when you say next year, does that mean he coaches all of 2008 as well?
I think Linehan gets a pass this year because of the injuries but if the team continues down this path next year as well, he will be out. I just don't think he is a good coach.Thanks for the stats BTW. I knew that having the #2 pick this year was too good to be true.
 
Linehan deserves to be fired. No question about it.

His play calling this week was horrible. Having success running the ball, he decides to let Frerotte lose the game.

 

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