Indefinite Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ Mork and Brady searching for a wet paper bag to see if Pete Carroll can still coach his way out of one ☠ (53 Viewers)

[Chadstroma]

Darius Slay being released. We added him, retain the important pieces- I think that is a top 3 defense in the waiting. (happy to see the optimistic Chad back guys?)

He's 34 and coming off a Superbowl win. CBs tend not to age well into their mid/late 30s - those that do, tend to convert to Safety. At this stage in the career, the risk is high that a player who comes to a struggling/rebuilding team does so only to chase the biggest contract still available, which is a terrible motivator once signed. If only offered more reasonable dollars, he either re-signs with Philly or goes to another contender. The current Raiders franchise isn't at the point where this type of signing has a good likelihood of success. They're likely better served retaining key core UFAs - Spillane, Butler, Chiasson, even Koonce and/or Hobbs - and then targeting younger, upside UFAs from other teams looking for 2nd or 3rd (rather than 4th) NFL contracts.

Why do you have to attack my optimism?

 

[Chadstroma]

I also thought he was younger

 

[LawFitz]

Darius Slay being released. We added him, retain the important pieces- I think that is a top 3 defense in the waiting. (happy to see the optimistic Chad back guys?)

He's 34 and coming off a Superbowl win. CBs tend not to age well into their mid/late 30s - those that do, tend to convert to Safety. At this stage in the career, the risk is high that a player who comes to a struggling/rebuilding team does so only to chase the biggest contract still available, which is a terrible motivator once signed. If only offered more reasonable dollars, he either re-signs with Philly or goes to another contender. The current Raiders franchise isn't at the point where this type of signing has a good likelihood of success. They're likely better served retaining key core UFAs - Spillane, Butler, Chiasson, even Koonce and/or Hobbs - and then targeting younger, upside UFAs from other teams looking for 2nd or 3rd (rather than 4th) NFL contracts.

Why do you have to attack my optimism?

You might just be one year early. There's a core to this team right now that if properly built upon, could get them to place where players like Slay will want to come for one last real run, rather than one last paycheck. Not there yet, but definitely not hopeless either... I've said many times, Owner-GM-Coach-QB-OL-DL ... Raiders may have made monster improvements on the first three this offseason, and were/are already loaded at DL (if Butler/Chiasson/Koonce stay and Wilkins gets back to 100% healthy). QB is a monster hole, and OL needs fairly signficant help still, even with adding a couple nice pieces last draft.

 

[Chaka]

Sleeper reporting the Raiders are shopping TE Mayer.

 

[Chadstroma]

Sleeper reporting the Raiders are shopping TE Mayer.

Yea, I saw that report to. I am not a fan of that but if Chip isn't going to use two TE (I can't really recall him ever doing so) then he is a luxury we don't need and could return some value. But as much as we use Bowers.... even if we don't use a lot of two TE sets.... wouldn't you want someone to fill in effectively? On the other side, whatever issues he had lowered his value to us and then also would lower his value in trade.

 

[LawFitz]

Without knowing details about Mayer's issues last season, it's difficult having an opinion here. Mental health is a topic to be taken seriously and empathized with, but if his issue is likely to pop up again, I could see why they would want to take the loss, cash in and move on. Sounds cold, but is essentially similar calculus that's done for physical injuries.

 

[kaso]

If this is true, I'm officially out on Sanders. To try to be fair to Sanders, maybe he wasn't interested in the two teams, or he may believe that the two teams have no chance of drafting him and viewed the meeting as a waste of time. Not sure. But if you're not showing passion at the combine, it worries me.

From X: Todd McShay says he heard from 2 separate teams that they left their meeting with Sheduer Sanders like he doesn't care

 

[joey]

If this is true, I'm officially out on Sanders. To try to be fair to Sanders, maybe he wasn't interested in the two teams, or he may believe that the two teams have no chance of drafting him and viewed the meeting as a waste of time. Not sure. But if you're not showing passion at the combine, it worries me.

From X: Todd McShay says he heard from 2 separate teams that they left their meeting with Sheduer Sanders like he doesn't care

Yeah, when push comes to shove, I’d rather avoid the Sanders Circus.

 

[LawFitz]

Only way I can get on board with Shade Sanders is if Brady stumps hard for him, given their past relationship. Otherwise, between the neon distractions and the lack of poise under pocket pressure, this guy has me spooked.

The Louisville QB might be the best of this rag tag bunch. His size and arm are definitely NFL caliber and while he doesn't have Josh Allen's legs, the guy can move when called upon.

 

[Chaka]

I think Josina Anderson, who is as trustworthy a source as there is, reported that apparently a QB coach from an unspecified team picking in the top 7 has been bad mouthing Sanders. Virtually every report about Sanders outside of that has been glowing.

I think the link is in the Sanders thread.

So... remind me, who is the Raiders QB coach?

 

[ICON211]

If this is true, I'm officially out on Sanders. To try to be fair to Sanders, maybe he wasn't interested in the two teams, or he may believe that the two teams have no chance of drafting him and viewed the meeting as a waste of time. Not sure. But if you're not showing passion at the combine, it worries me.

From X: Todd McShay says he heard from 2 separate teams that they left their meeting with Sheduer Sanders like he doesn't care

He may already know he is going top 5. Total guess on my part, but someone may have already told him they will take him if he is there.

 

[kaso]

Raiders.com has a Raiders Mock Draft Tracker.
4.0 is now available: https://www.raiders.com/news/raider...st-combine-edition-ashton-jeanty-jalon-walker

 

[Chadstroma]

Minchew released.

 

[Chadstroma]

Maxx extended!

 

[Chadstroma]

Alex Cappa G signed to 11 million two year deal

 

[Chadstroma]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

 

[LawFitz]

I've become a big fan of the thought of drafting Will Howard in Rd 3 (or even 2, if necessary). Jaxson Dart and Tyler Shough have NFL QB1 traits as well, but they've got hype trains behind them, which may push them up draft boards - Rd 1 seems plausible at this point for Dart, and Shough hype is gaining steam.

 

[Chadstroma]

DK requesting a trade.... reunion with Carroll?

 

[LawFitz]

Alex Cappa G signed to 11 million two year deal

Cappa's splendid first season in Cincinnati was ended with a Week 18 ankle injury and he regressed massively the following two seasons. He went from arguably the line's most stable player to one its most glaring liabilities last year. That trajectory wasn't worth the $8 million in cash he was set to earn this upcoming season. The Bengals will save exactly that amount in cap space as well. https://atozsports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals-news/bengals-release-alex-cappa-free-agency-guard/

Don't like the idea of Cappa regressing hard after injury. Raiders already facing that same issue with Kolton Miller last year.

Do like the idea of addressing OL aggressively. Potential bonus is this signing doesn't affect the supplemental draft picks award formula.

 

[LawFitz]

Maxx extended!

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Las Vegas Raiders are signing Pro Bowl DE Maxx Crosby to a three-year, $106.5 million extension that includes $91.5 guaranteed, making him the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history, per sources.

For the third time in four years, the Raiders are addressing the contract of their cornerstone player, this time cementing his relationship with the Raiders for the foreseeable future.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Maxx extended!

Was this a restructure? Wasn’t he extended/paid last year?

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

 

[LawFitz]

LOVE Maxx getting the biggie bag. Raiders had the money and he is a legit superstar. Good to pay him ASAP before FA opens; now he's their biggest recruiter for other quality FAs.

 

[Chadstroma]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

 

[LawFitz]

His name is DA RAIDERS and he rocks a customized Snake Stabler shield. His fandom cannot be tested.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

 

[Chadstroma]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

 

[Chaka]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

Tom Brady
Deion Sanders
Aaron Rodgers
Gwyneth Paltrow
Derek Carr
Geoffrey Lannister

 

[Chadstroma]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

The list would take too long to read.

 

[Zeppelin]

LOVE Maxx getting the biggie bag. Raiders had the money and he is a legit superstar. Good to pay him ASAP before FA opens; now he's their biggest recruiter for other quality FAs.

He is one of my favorite players ever. Have to love a defensive lineman that played EVERY snap in 9 of his 12 games last year. That's insane.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

Tom Brady
Deion Sanders
Aaron Rodgers
Gwyneth Paltrow
Derek Carr
Geoffrey Lannister

I’ve jokingly called Brady the greatest living American for about 15 years. The tuck rule was on the refs. Not him.

Have no feelings one way or the other on deion

A. A. Ron is a dooshenozzle of the highest order

Paltrow??

I never hated Carr. He’s what he is. A stat padding mid QB. Once his leg got broke. Done.

Joffrey Lannister is a giant turd

You left another giant turd, Siragusa, off the list.

gruden of course.

And all the usual suspects…horse face elway, etc

 

[CGRdrJoe]

sign Bosa?!!

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

Tom Brady
Deion Sanders
Aaron Rodgers
Gwyneth Paltrow
Derek Carr
Geoffrey Lannister

I’ve jokingly called Brady the greatest living American for about 15 years. The tuck rule was on the refs. Not him.

Have no feelings one way or the other on deion

A. A. Ron is a dooshenozzle of the highest order

Paltrow??

I never hated Carr. He’s what he is. A stat padding mid QB. Once his leg got broke. Done.

Joffrey Lannister is a giant turd

You left another giant turd, Siragusa, off the list.

gruden of course.

And all the usual suspects…horse face elway, etc

gallery? russell? romanowski?

 

[Chadstroma]

Siragusa... man, I had hatred for that guy. Would hate it when he was on the sidelines but still.... RIP

Romanowski? There was NO ONE I hated more in sports..... until he was our jerk (though I used other descriptions)

 

[fatness]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

Tom Brady
Deion Sanders
Aaron Rodgers
Gwyneth Paltrow
Derek Carr
Geoffrey Lannister

Geoffrey was horrible. He killed Ros. I'd move him up above Paltrow.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Crosby on Rodgers "I think he will have a big year this year and I hope it is in this town."

This would test my fandom. I can not stand Rodgers.

Man.... your list of who you can not stand and it will test your fandom is loooooooooooooong

It is? List 5

Let’s hear it.

Tom Brady
Deion Sanders
Aaron Rodgers
Gwyneth Paltrow
Derek Carr
Geoffrey Lannister

I’ve jokingly called Brady the greatest living American for about 15 years. The tuck rule was on the refs. Not him.

Have no feelings one way or the other on deion

A. A. Ron is a dooshenozzle of the highest order

Paltrow??

I never hated Carr. He’s what he is. A stat padding mid QB. Once his leg got broke. Done.

Joffrey Lannister is a giant turd

You left another giant turd, Siragusa, off the list.

gruden of course.

And all the usual suspects…horse face elway, etc

gallery? russell? romanowski?

Meh, chooch, split vote

 

[Chadstroma]

Some of the more noteworthy players released...

• Davante Adams
• Joey Bosa
• Evan Engram
• Tyler Lockett
• Darius Slay
• James Bradberry
• Javon Hargrave
• Gardner Minshew
• Jamaal Williams
• Devin Duvernay
• Dre'Mont Jones
• Roy Robertson-Harris
• Rayshawn Jenkins
• George Fant
• Raekwon Davis

Lockett, Bradberry, Hargrave and Williams are the ones that make me the most interested in seeking out potentially bringing to Vegas

 

[joey]

Some of the more noteworthy players released...

• Davante Adams
• Joey Bosa
• Evan Engram
• Tyler Lockett
• Darius Slay
• James Bradberry
• Javon Hargrave
• Gardner Minshew
• Jamaal Williams
• Devin Duvernay
• Dre'Mont Jones
• Roy Robertson-Harris
• Rayshawn Jenkins
• George Fant
• Raekwon Davis

Lockett, Bradberry, Hargrave and Williams are the ones that make me the most interested in seeking out potentially bringing to Vegas

You must have a typo in that list since you listed Minshew in a list of noteworthy cuts.

 

[Deamon]

Some of the more noteworthy players released...

• Davante Adams
• Joey Bosa
• Evan Engram
• Tyler Lockett
• Darius Slay
• James Bradberry
• Javon Hargrave
• Gardner Minshew
• Jamaal Williams
• Devin Duvernay
• Dre'Mont Jones
• Roy Robertson-Harris
• Rayshawn Jenkins
• George Fant
• Raekwon Davis

Lockett, Bradberry, Hargrave and Williams are the ones that make me the most interested in seeking out potentially bringing to Vegas

BRADBERRY!?!?!

 

[LawFitz]

Wild prediction... Raiders will reunite with Devante Adams when both Adams and 41-yr-old Aaron Rodgers sign with the Raiders, after they bend the knee to Brady and Maxx.

Raiders then take a QB in the early rounds to sit with ARod (and Brady) for a year or two, after taking Ashton Jeanty or a stud OT with their 1st rounder.

 

[joey]

Wild prediction... Raiders will reunite with Devante Adams when both Adams and 41-yr-old Aaron Rodgers sign with the Raiders, after they bend the knee to Brady and Maxx.

Raiders then take a QB in the early rounds to sit with ARod (and Brady) for a year or two, after taking Ashton Jeanty or a stud OT with their 1st rounder.

Not so wild prediction…this move sets back a rebuild another 2 years.

Hate the idea of bringing in Rodgers or bringing back Adams. Adams showed he was “me first” on the Receiver tv show saying that he cares more about his stats and performance over if the team wins or loses. Don’t want that near the Raiders again.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Wild prediction... Raiders will reunite with Devante Adams when both Adams and 41-yr-old Aaron Rodgers sign with the Raiders, after they bend the knee to Brady and Maxx.

Raiders then take a QB in the early rounds to sit with ARod (and Brady) for a year or two, after taking Ashton Jeanty or a stud OT with their 1st rounder.

Sounds awful. How many more A A Ron cronies will be signed?

 

[SDJohnny]

We traded for Geno Smith. A third round pick.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Geno.

 

[Chaka]

We traded for Geno Smith. A third round pick.

I don't hate that. I am very intrigued with what Chip Kelly can get out of Geno.

 

[ex-ghost]

WOW

 

[SDJohnny]

I love it. We still need some help at WR and OL but I'm excited. Draft is wide open now.

 

[Tau837]

How does Geno compare to Carr when Carr was let go?

 

[ex-ghost]

Get ready for some bad redzone decisions. It was very frustrating to watch as a Seahawk fan. I am happy to see him go.