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Indefinite Las Vegas Raiders thread - ☠ The Mork and Brady show ☠ (19 Viewers)

Only a matter of time until AOC is starting. Minshew is dreadful. He doesn't trust his arm (not throwing a number of easy quick reads to open guys) and he didn't even use his legs effectively.

He's bad, bad.
Agreed. But I doubt O'Connell is the answer.

I'd rather take a shot on a guy that turns into the next Jamarcus than go through another year like...the last twenty-two.


Apologies to Derek Carr, at least he gave us glimpses of legitimate hope, albeit rarely.
 
Minshew 's stat line belies his mediocrity.

25 of 33 (75%) for 257 yards (7.8), one TD, one Int and just about the worst fumble I have seen in a professional football game.

And he was so much less than his stat line.

Sorry, I pride myself on choosing not to take a negative stance as much as possible. I hate how I feel when I'm being negative.

But, #### it, there is zero point to this season for the Raiders. A wasted year. There will be some high points, maybe a big upset or two but, when the dust settles we'll have another mid draft position, a thin roster and no hope at a franchise QB.

And the defense looks so strong, even missing key parts. What a waste.
The D is strong, and let’s not forget the offense has Adams, Meyers, Mayer and Bowers.
Wasting key years of Maxx and Adams. Ridiculous.
 
Well they didn't have to give up on Derek Carr. He had a great game today.

We've seen those glimpses. And Carr won't face the Panthers for the next 16 games either.
Absolutely true.

Unfortunately, Carr>>>>>>>Minshew is also absolutely true.

At least I know this season is over already so I can focus on being a productive member of my household for three additional hours every Sunday.
 
Carr is solidly >>>>>> Minshew but it just a different style of treading water. I'd rather we tank with Minshew/AOC and if neither can get it done we push all the chips in next May. I was dying for us to make a move on Stroud and wouldn't have cared about the price. As a die-hard OSU and Raider fan I would have been ecstatic about that.

We'll see AOC soon enough I'm afraid.
 
I am not going to get sucked into talking about Carr but my biggest thing about moving on from him was doing so before you had someone in place to replace him. Hopes and dreams at the QB position just will not get it done in the NFL.

The defense was great. That is very encouraging- and even more so when a very important piece (Koonce) was not playing as well as his backup (Wilson). That likely put more on the shoulders of the guys with less rotation than Graham will want to do generally with those players back and you could see the dominance start to slip late in the game. The Dolts are built to take advantage of exactly that. Run, run and run and don't care if you don't move the chains early because eventually you will tire the D out and get some big gashes.

The game was lost on the INT and the two fumbles. The Minchew fumble was kind of a freak thing. I did appreciate his recognition to go after the ball though versus thinking it was an incomplete. I don't think Minchew was horrible, but he obviously was not the reincarnation of Stabler either. Other than that fumble and the INT, I caught two plays where he missed a better target. For example, Davante was clearly open and a yard from the 1st down line and instead he threw down to..... can't remember who, Bowers? who was 5 yards back and got wrapped up.

The Charger defense is very good. A 75% completion percentage will generally be good enough for us to win with the weapons we have and the defense we have. The bigger issue than Minshew was the inability to get the running game going. Both White and Mattison having 3 YPC is not going to get it done for us and as we saw, we want to control that ball so our defense is fresh and can remain dominant through the entire game. I wasn't seeing a lot of running space for White and Mattison. Hopefully that says more about the Dolt defense than it does our offensive line. The one good thing about that is that Getsy has a track record of getting the running game going.
 
Carr is solidly >>>>>> Minshew but it just a different style of treading water. I'd rather we tank with Minshew/AOC and if neither can get it done we push all the chips in next May. I was dying for us to make a move on Stroud and wouldn't have cared about the price. As a die-hard OSU and Raider fan I would have been ecstatic about that.

We'll see AOC soon enough I'm afraid.
I agree with this but the thing that kind of gets glossed over is that Stroud comment. It is more than likely that Mork vetoed that trade. And this gets to the heart of the issue with the Raiders. The guy making the final football decisions is incompetent.

It is very clear to me that Mork is a terrible evaluator of talent, and terrible at making FOOTBALL decisions. Besides the decision to not pull the trigger on Stroud, the decision to send Carr home and get zero in compensation stands out as a beacon. I can list other examples, but why tear open healed scars. As long as Mork has the final say this team is never going to win on a consistent level.
 
Carr is solidly >>>>>> Minshew but it just a different style of treading water. I'd rather we tank with Minshew/AOC and if neither can get it done we push all the chips in next May. I was dying for us to make a move on Stroud and wouldn't have cared about the price. As a die-hard OSU and Raider fan I would have been ecstatic about that.

We'll see AOC soon enough I'm afraid.
I agree with this but the thing that kind of gets glossed over is that Stroud comment. It is more than likely that Mork vetoed that trade. And this gets to the heart of the issue with the Raiders. The guy making the final football decisions is incompetent.

It is very clear to me that Mork is a terrible evaluator of talent, and terrible at making FOOTBALL decisions. Besides the decision to not pull the trigger on Stroud, the decision to send Carr home and get zero in compensation stands out as a beacon. I can list other examples, but why tear open healed scars. As long as Mork has the final say this team is never going to win on a consistent level.
No, it was McD that overruled the attempt. He wanted his noodle armed boyfriend to relive their NE days.
 
Carr is solidly >>>>>> Minshew but it just a different style of treading water. I'd rather we tank with Minshew/AOC and if neither can get it done we push all the chips in next May. I was dying for us to make a move on Stroud and wouldn't have cared about the price. As a die-hard OSU and Raider fan I would have been ecstatic about that.

We'll see AOC soon enough I'm afraid.
I agree with this but the thing that kind of gets glossed over is that Stroud comment. It is more than likely that Mork vetoed that trade. And this gets to the heart of the issue with the Raiders. The guy making the final football decisions is incompetent.

It is very clear to me that Mork is a terrible evaluator of talent, and terrible at making FOOTBALL decisions. Besides the decision to not pull the trigger on Stroud, the decision to send Carr home and get zero in compensation stands out as a beacon. I can list other examples, but why tear open healed scars. As long as Mork has the final say this team is never going to win on a consistent level.
No, it was McD that overruled the attempt. He wanted his noodle armed boyfriend to relive their NE days.
Do you know that for certain? I have read otherwise. Regardless, the Raiders’ history under Mork is littered with poor decisions. Until he gets removed from football related decisions the team is doomed for mediocrity.
 
Carr is solidly >>>>>> Minshew but it just a different style of treading water. I'd rather we tank with Minshew/AOC and if neither can get it done we push all the chips in next May. I was dying for us to make a move on Stroud and wouldn't have cared about the price. As a die-hard OSU and Raider fan I would have been ecstatic about that.

We'll see AOC soon enough I'm afraid.
I agree with this but the thing that kind of gets glossed over is that Stroud comment. It is more than likely that Mork vetoed that trade. And this gets to the heart of the issue with the Raiders. The guy making the final football decisions is incompetent.

It is very clear to me that Mork is a terrible evaluator of talent, and terrible at making FOOTBALL decisions. Besides the decision to not pull the trigger on Stroud, the decision to send Carr home and get zero in compensation stands out as a beacon. I can list other examples, but why tear open healed scars. As long as Mork has the final say this team is never going to win on a consistent level.
No, it was McD that overruled the attempt. He wanted his noodle armed boyfriend to relive their NE days.
Do you know that for certain? I have read otherwise. Regardless, the Raiders’ history under Mork is littered with poor decisions. Until he gets removed from football related decisions the team is doomed for mediocrity.
Gotta be honest, I never got the feeling that Mark Davis was the ego guy who thinks he knows better. That was his dad. IMO he's not Al, or Jerry Jones. He hires GMs, maybe not good ones but guys that it seems he turns over the keys to the personnel department.

I never got the feeling he was interfering with Gruden/Mayock or ####### McDaniels and I don't think he is with Telesco either.

Frankly he seems to be more focused on building the brand and increasing their value, as he should be.

Remember Mark Davis, when he inherited the President of the General Partner (yeah, waste disposal, that's what we do) was pretty much the "poorest" owner in the league. He's still bottom third but the franchise is much stronger financially since he took over. And it's not just because NFL franchises increase in value organically. The move to Vegas was genius. Just ask the Chargers how being a tenant in someone else's stadium is working out.

At any rate, even though I have already given up on 2024 I don't think Mark Davis meddling in personnel decisions is an issue. I mean, do we have concrete examples of him overruling his GMs?

Hiring bad GMs is a problem but ceding control to said GM doesn't appear to be an issue.

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Something's been gnawing since the game and I finally realized what it is. Getsy switched up the OL blocking scheme to more of a West Coast ZBS than the power scheme used last year. This new system does not fit Zamir IMO. He doesn't have the lateral movement or patience needed for it. Time will tell.
 
Something's been gnawing since the game and I finally realized what it is. Getsy switched up the OL blocking scheme to more of a West Coast ZBS than the power scheme used last year. This new system does not fit Zamir IMO. He doesn't have the lateral movement or patience needed for it. Time will tell.
Add that to the pile…
 
Something's been gnawing since the game and I finally realized what it is. Getsy switched up the OL blocking scheme to more of a West Coast ZBS than the power scheme used last year. This new system does not fit Zamir IMO. He doesn't have the lateral movement or patience needed for it. Time will tell.
That was my gripe with the hire. He wants to run his system and have the players adapt to the system rather than tailoring the system to the strengths of the players he has.
 
Something's been gnawing since the game and I finally realized what it is. Getsy switched up the OL blocking scheme to more of a West Coast ZBS than the power scheme used last year. This new system does not fit Zamir IMO. He doesn't have the lateral movement or patience needed for it. Time will tell.
That was my gripe with the hire. He wants to run his system and have the players adapt to the system rather than tailoring the system to the strengths of the players he has.
That was his problem in Chicago too. He cut Fields off at the knees quite figuratively the second season and tried to turn him into a QB that rarely left the pocket. Anybody with half a brain knows that's not Fields' game. He saddled him with a mind-numbing system that made him robotic and took away all his instinctiveness and all the traits that scared DCs to death. And Fields is no dummy. But he was never a Getsy guy. If he could have he would have gone with Bagent the entire season.
He's not a good OC at all. I'm still stunned he got the job. Like in Chicago, he'll be gone in two years from Vegas...hopefully sooner.
 
Something's been gnawing since the game and I finally realized what it is. Getsy switched up the OL blocking scheme to more of a West Coast ZBS than the power scheme used last year. This new system does not fit Zamir IMO. He doesn't have the lateral movement or patience needed for it. Time will tell.
That was my gripe with the hire. He wants to run his system and have the players adapt to the system rather than tailoring the system to the strengths of the players he has.
That was his problem in Chicago too. He cut Fields off at the knees quite figuratively the second season and tried to turn him into a QB that rarely left the pocket. Anybody with half a brain knows that's not Fields' game. He saddled him with a mind-numbing system that made him robotic and took away all his instinctiveness and all the traits that scared DCs to death. And Fields is no dummy. But he was never a Getsy guy. If he could have he would have gone with Bagent the entire season.
He's not a good OC at all. I'm still stunned he got the job. Like in Chicago, he'll be gone in two years from Vegas...hopefully sooner.
I like AP but I very much wish Davis had gone after Harbaugh instead.
 
The injuries concern me WAY more than the game itself . This was a little reality slap , they have to EARN their post game locker room cigar smoking . They showed real heart last season after getting shutout vs Minny and then crushing the Chargers on a short week , this is another gut check , lets see how they rebound vs a tough Ravens team.
 
Are the Raiders really this bad? Is the Defense really this bad? Is it all QB related? Asking for a friend.
Mishew was bad. I have never seen a QB more scared to pull the trigger on an open receiver. Multiple times there was an open Bowers or Adams in the flats or at the 1st down marker and Minshew clearly was looking at them, then decided to dump it off elsewhere. I simply can not comprehend it. I read a lot of Colts fans saying he leaves a LOT of yards on the field and I 100% get it now. Not only that but the thing that was supposed to set him apart from AOC (His legs/mobility) were hardly even used. Besides him our OL was also very poor (Kolton Miller likely had one of the worst games as a pro), Pierce made a couple inexcusable decisions on 4th down, our D started off great but eventually got gassed and even our elite K had a weak day.

Ultimately I think we will finish as a bottom 5-7 team with our QB situation.
 
We are interviewing a few people for the GM role. Champ has a few interviews with other teams like the Panthers and Commanders. I am not sure about the GM role but I know with the HC role we can not appoint AP as the HC and have to interview at least one other person. We also gave the staff permission to interview elsewhere which seems to indicate that AP is not locked in but on the other hand, this is not AP's staff so it might not be that much of a tipping of the hand.
The Rooney Rule requires we interview a minimum of TWO external minority candidates for each position.
are you sure its two? I thought it was one.

though I'm not 100% certain of this.
 
Are the Raiders really this bad? Is the Defense really this bad? Is it all QB related? Asking for a friend.
Mishew was bad. I have never seen a QB more scared to pull the trigger on an open receiver. Multiple times there was an open Bowers or Adams in the flats or at the 1st down marker and Minshew clearly was looking at them, then decided to dump it off elsewhere. I simply can not comprehend it. I read a lot of Colts fans saying he leaves a LOT of yards on the field and I 100% get it now. Not only that but the thing that was supposed to set him apart from AOC (His legs/mobility) were hardly even used. Besides him our OL was also very poor (Kolton Miller likely had one of the worst games as a pro), Pierce made a couple inexcusable decisions on 4th down, our D started off great but eventually got gassed and even our elite K had a weak day.

Ultimately I think we will finish as a bottom 5-7 team with our QB situation.
give the guy a game or two to get comfortable. the guy looked pretty good when he started in Jaxonville and I thought he looked good last year.

it could be that hes still getting familiar with the offense and his teammates.
 
I like AP but I very much wish Davis had gone after Harbaugh instead.
Similar except with anyone but Harbaugh - mostly because as a raging OSU fan I don't want to have to love anything associated with thex
I'd take Mike Shanahan back if I thought he would win games (he wouldn't).

Harbaugh is a winner and knows how to build a program. The Raiders are now in a division with a murderer's row of Head Coaches and AP looks like he's coaching the JV team.

Throw in another 8-10 years of Mahomes & Herbert and the possibility Bo Nix turns into something and... I have serious doubts that AP can cut it.
 
The game was bad. But not that bad. The turnovers and the oline play were the difference. Play calling wasn’t great, but maybe that was a product of terrible oline play.
 
The game was bad. But not that bad. The turnovers and the oline play were the difference. Play calling wasn’t great, but maybe that was a product of terrible oline play.
Possibly terrible o-line scheme, which is a much bigger concern.

Get ready for the Shedeure Sanders Experience in Vegas starting 2025!!! With The Deion Clown Car Circus as the opening act that never goes away. :wall: :wall: :wall:
 
I just watched the game again on replay. I must say, no big deal to me for WRs and DBs to get into a skirmish, but I was unimpressed by Crosby coming in and grabbing WR Johnston from behind to throw him down. Pick on somebody your own size, man. Crosby is a super impressive player, but that was weak IMO.
 
Something's been gnawing since the game and I finally realized what it is. Getsy switched up the OL blocking scheme to more of a West Coast ZBS than the power scheme used last year. This new system does not fit Zamir IMO. He doesn't have the lateral movement or patience needed for it. Time will tell.
That was my gripe with the hire. He wants to run his system and have the players adapt to the system rather than tailoring the system to the strengths of the players he has.
That was his problem in Chicago too. He cut Fields off at the knees quite figuratively the second season and tried to turn him into a QB that rarely left the pocket. Anybody with half a brain knows that's not Fields' game. He saddled him with a mind-numbing system that made him robotic and took away all his instinctiveness and all the traits that scared DCs to death. And Fields is no dummy. But he was never a Getsy guy. If he could have he would have gone with Bagent the entire season.
He's not a good OC at all. I'm still stunned he got the job. Like in Chicago, he'll be gone in two years from Vegas...hopefully sooner.
I like AP but I very much wish Davis had gone after Harbaugh instead.
I'm with you on this. I said last year I would sign Harbaugh as the new Head Coach. I want wins not pep talks.
 
are you sure its two? I thought it was one.

though I'm not 100% certain of this.
I'd take Mike Shanahan back if I thought he would win games (he wouldn't).

Harbaugh is a winner and knows how to build a program. The Raiders are now in a division with a murderer's row of Head Coaches and AP looks like he's coaching the JV team.
Oh me too or sure. Wins are all I care about. I would just hate having to do it. I loved (hated) Woodson when he was here and I was all-in on (dreading) the idea of drafting JJM - I think he's going to be very, very good in the NFL.
 
I just watched the game again on replay. I must say, no big deal to me for WRs and DBs to get into a skirmish, but I was unimpressed by Crosby coming in and grabbing WR Johnston from behind to throw him down. Pick on somebody your own size, man. Crosby is a super impressive player, but that was weak IMO.
:lmao: what? you have your teammates back on the field or you have no business on the field
 
I just watched the game again on replay. I must say, no big deal to me for WRs and DBs to get into a skirmish, but I was unimpressed by Crosby coming in and grabbing WR Johnston from behind to throw him down. Pick on somebody your own size, man. Crosby is a super impressive player, but that was weak IMO.
:lmao: what? you have your teammates back on the field or you have no business on the field

Crosby was probably just frustrated that Alt held him without a pressure in their one on one matchups, something no OL has done since week 9 of 2022. Great to see that Alt will apparently live up to the hype.
 
Biggest concern by far, well more than Uncle Ricardo even, is Getsy. Remember all offseason how much the offense struggled? Saw absolutely nothing last weekend to give me confidence about that side of the ball. OL looks to have regressed big time since last year. And AOC isn't viable as even hopium with OL playing this bad. No buenos.
 
"According to ESPN Analytics/NFL Next Gen Stats, though Crosby won six of his 18 pass rushes (tied for the fourth-best single-game such rate of his career), Wilson, Robinson and Snowden were a combined 0-10, with Robinson 0-7 on the edge."

Damn
 
No surprise that a couple of practice squad dudes struggled. That friggin' 2023 draft by those ******** - could have had Jalen Carter and the correct Byron Young (8 sacks as EDGE rookie), instead we're left with Tyree and have already ditched the wrong Byron Young.
 
The game was bad. But not that bad. The turnovers and the oline play were the difference. Play calling wasn’t great, but maybe that was a product of terrible oline play.
Maybe thats why Minschew got the job, hes more mobile than AOC and if the Oline hasnt jelled they need his style . AOC may get the job back when the oline can pass block better?
 
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Wanted Jalen Carter, desperately but won't complain because they signed Wilkins.

I still have hope for Tyree. Not sure why people turned on him so quickly. No one thought he was a reach or didn't deserve the high draft spot. He was coming off a broken foot and, unfortunately has had issues staying healthy. But to call him a bust feels premature.

I personally don't care what all us armchair GMs see, or think they see when they watch him play. He's a 6'6", 275 lb behemoth of a man, I'd like to give him a full year healthy before we close the book.

YMMV
 
For the first time since our inception in 2007, the diehard Raiders fan in my auction league changed his team name. It was The Silver and Black. Now it's WE SUCK.
 
Hmm, as an outsider looking in who just watched the condensed version of the game, I think... hmm, it ain't that bad guys. This was a trench war with both OLs overmatched. Momentum swung on just a few plays that went LA's way. A missed FG. Zamir's fumble (great play by Bosa). Dobbins two big runs. Ya know, Zamir was this close to tearing off a couple big runs too. The Raiders were a tough out. What did you expect? Greatness? I don't think that was ever realistic, but this team is tough and sometimes momentum will swing it's way and sometimes it won't. It could be worse. It has been worse. A better QB and play calling and this team is in the mix.

10am game in Baltimore isn't gonna make things better, but I'll take the 8.5 points and enjoy another trench fight. They're fun to watch... as an outsider looking in.
 

Harbaugh is a winner and knows how to build a program. The Raiders are now in a division with a murderer's row of Head Coaches and AP looks like he's coaching the JV team.

Throw in another 8-10 years of Mahomes & Herbert and the possibility Bo Nix turns into something and... I have serious doubts that AP can cut it.
Glad this has been brought up. I knew Pierce would be the worst coach in the division. No shame in that. But where does it stop? Worst coach in the AFC? Worst coach in the league?
And just to be clear I'm talking in-game decisions only. As a motivator, Pierce might be the best in the league.
Where's Marvin Lewis on game day? Is he on the field or in the press box or on his couch? I thought he was supposed to be Pierce's caddy on Sundays: "Go for it here, AP," "Punt it here, AP," "Throw the challenge flag here, AP."
I'm figuring nearly every other coach in the league would have been saying to himself on 3rd and 8 or whatever it was, "What am I going to do if it's 4 and (a long) 1 or (fill in the blank) after this play?" But it just doesn't seem like Pierce is wired that way.
This team isn't good enough to overcome having the head coach shooting its chances to win in the foot.
 

Harbaugh is a winner and knows how to build a program. The Raiders are now in a division with a murderer's row of Head Coaches and AP looks like he's coaching the JV team.

Throw in another 8-10 years of Mahomes & Herbert and the possibility Bo Nix turns into something and... I have serious doubts that AP can cut it.
Glad this has been brought up. I knew Pierce would be the worst coach in the division. No shame in that. But where does it stop? Worst coach in the AFC? Worst coach in the league?
And just to be clear I'm talking in-game decisions only. As a motivator, Pierce might be the best in the league.
Where's Marvin Lewis on game day? Is he on the field or in the press box or on his couch? I thought he was supposed to be Pierce's caddy on Sundays: "Go for it here, AP," "Punt it here, AP," "Throw the challenge flag here, AP."
I'm figuring nearly every other coach in the league would have been saying to himself on 3rd and 8 or whatever it was, "What am I going to do if it's 4 and (a long) 1 or (fill in the blank) after this play?" But it just doesn't seem like Pierce is wired that way.
This team isn't good enough to overcome having the head coach shooting its chances to win in the foot.
Seems like most coaches are too aggressive and go too often on fourth down. Pierce is the opposite, he's too conservative. I thought that last year when he was interim coach. The fourth down on Sunday in the fourth quarter is as bad a fourth down decision as you will see. Marvin Lewis was also conservative and not sure to what extent he is involved and what his role really is. I hope he is involved in preparation for the games not in game decisions.
 
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I know people don't like this kind of talk but (I think that is a dated and short sighted way of thinking) if they are bad enough to have a top 3 pick, even in what appears to be a QB poor draft class, they may be able to sell a guy like Ben Johnson on coming here to manage the rebuild.

If it means they fire Telesco and hire Brad Holmes's right hand man, even better.

In your heart-to-hearts you all know something like that would be the best possible, reality based*, outcome of the 2024 season.

*Yes, yes a miracle Super Bowl victory would be better.
 
I know people don't like this kind of talk but (I think that is a dated and short sighted way of thinking) if they are bad enough to have a top 3 pick, even in what appears to be a QB poor draft class, they may be able to sell a guy like Ben Johnson on coming here to manage the rebuild.

If it means they fire Telesco and hire Brad Holmes's right hand man, even better.

In your heart-to-hearts you all know something like that would be the best possible, reality based*, outcome of the 2024 season.

*Yes, yes a miracle Super Bowl victory would be better.
I can't see AP and Telesco being gone after just one year, nor should they be, unless the season is a disaster of epic proportions.
 
I know people don't like this kind of talk but (I think that is a dated and short sighted way of thinking) if they are bad enough to have a top 3 pick, even in what appears to be a QB poor draft class, they may be able to sell a guy like Ben Johnson on coming here to manage the rebuild.

If it means they fire Telesco and hire Brad Holmes's right hand man, even better.

In your heart-to-hearts you all know something like that would be the best possible, reality based*, outcome of the 2024 season.

*Yes, yes a miracle Super Bowl victory would be better.
I can't see AP and Telesco being gone after just one year, nor should they be, unless the season is a disaster of epic proportions.
Isn't it?
 
I know people don't like this kind of talk but (I think that is a dated and short sighted way of thinking) if they are bad enough to have a top 3 pick, even in what appears to be a QB poor draft class, they may be able to sell a guy like Ben Johnson on coming here to manage the rebuild.

If it means they fire Telesco and hire Brad Holmes's right hand man, even better.

In your heart-to-hearts you all know something like that would be the best possible, reality based*, outcome of the 2024 season.

*Yes, yes a miracle Super Bowl victory would be better.
I can't see AP and Telesco being gone after just one year, nor should they be, unless the season is a disaster of epic proportions.
Isn't it?
After a week 1 loss in a game they could have won? Not in my opinion. We clearly have a different idea of what a disaster of epic proportions looks like.
 
I know people don't like this kind of talk but (I think that is a dated and short sighted way of thinking) if they are bad enough to have a top 3 pick, even in what appears to be a QB poor draft class, they may be able to sell a guy like Ben Johnson on coming here to manage the rebuild.

If it means they fire Telesco and hire Brad Holmes's right hand man, even better.

In your heart-to-hearts you all know something like that would be the best possible, reality based*, outcome of the 2024 season.

*Yes, yes a miracle Super Bowl victory would be better.
I can't see AP and Telesco being gone after just one year, nor should they be, unless the season is a disaster of epic proportions.
Isn't it?
After a week 1 loss in a game they could have won? Not in my opinion. We clearly have a different idea of what a disaster of epic proportions looks like.
That's fair, and I am absolutely being an extreme alarmist and I recognize that. I'm pretty sure that's going to be my shtick in here this season. Please don't view it as coming from a place other than love & fun.

But I think it's fair to say the Raiders have zero shot at contending for anything this season.

I strongly believe they don't even have a shot at a one-and-done playoff appearance. At best they are facing yet another season where maybe their high point will be upsetting the Chiefs late in the season and then watching them go on to win another Super Bowl.

It's getting old. Honey, why sign Christian Wilkins, which is their best FA move in...decades? And then not get aggressive AF to make sure to get a QB that could make them competitive?

I love the new defense but I doubt they are the 2000 Ravens (unless Tyree suddenly turns into what I hope/pray he can be) and I don't think Minshew or O'Connell are Trent Dilfer. Which is a very low bar to not be able to achieve .

Darnit, I want a legitimate franchise QB already. It's been 25 years for goodness sakes. And please don't try to sell me on the parallels between Minshew & Gannon.

So, yeah I kind of view this season as a disaster already.

Sorry, I am certainly not trying to offend. At worst, in my heart I'm trying to maybe stir the pot a little. I'm still ride-or-die Raiders and that will never change.

At the very least maybe my shtick this year will provide people here with something to rail against.

And, if the Raiders post a miracle playoff run, let's say an AFC Championship appearance, I will ship everyone in here* a six pack of San Diego beer, which is unquestionably the best beer in the world!

No joke. I will absolutely back that up to any of you*



*I mean the regulars and who are also Raiders fans (sorry @BoltNlava , @ChiefD etc).
 
I will ship everyone in here* a six pack of San Diego beer, which is unquestionably the best beer in the world!

I assume this offer is extended only to Raiders fans in this thread. It is a great offer, because I agree with you about San Diego beer. :banned:
 

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