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[DA RAIDERS]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games.

So given the situation at hand, how many years, in your opinion, will it take to overhaul the o line, the rbs and the qb room to fit Betsy’s scheme? 4? 6?

Auto correct keeps changing Getsy to Betsy. I like it

I'm not saying Gesty is the right man for the job. What I am saying is that the GM needs to do his job first and that is to build a better team and that is through the draft, trading, and FA signings. To me that is the most important first steps in building a team. The hiring of OC and other coaches will coincide with the plan the GM has. Or at least I think that's the way it is suppose to happen.

Fair enough. But someone brought in Betsy. It wasn’t the correct choice. What now? Like now, not in some madden fantasy land where you’re starting a team from scratch. Betsy doesn’t fit this personnel or if you want to look at from the other side the players don’t fit him. What do you do? Roll over the roster or get rid of Betsy?

The keyword in my post was "coincide". The GM input is critical for coaching hires to fit the kind of team he wants to build.

So I’ll ask again. How long do you give 2 new hires to have their visions coincide? Betsy doesn’t fit this team and was a mistake. When do you cut bait? After switching 30% of the personnel to Betsy’s way, or now? Is TT supposed to start doing things for Betsy? I don’t think so. And I agree with you that hiring and firing coaches is not the answer. Hell, let Philbin run the offense and let TT have another draft and bring in someone with a shared vision before that draft.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ps. Fire Getsy

Do we really need to wait until the season is done to fire Getsy? I know it's unlikely it is in season, but haven't we seen enough?

I don't know if he has the potential to be a good OC or not, but first focus on building the team and that starts with the GM on draft day and then making affordable trades and FA pickups to fill the holes. I think it starts with the trenches and in their case, the OL. Of course if they are picking high you have to get a QB, but you also can't set him up for failure by not protecting him. I've seen so many highly rated QBs fail because they weren't set up for success. I've seen their confidence shot because they are laying on their back 65 to 70 times a year. Anyway, I ramble. The point is, hiring and firing coaches all the time probably isn't a recipe for success, building the team is.

Firing Getsy isn't the answer. Building a team starts with the GM.

Getsy and his scheme don’t fit the personnel. So either get new personnel or get an OC that will work with the current personnel.

I don't think the current personnel is working, especially on offense. The GM needs to hit a few home runs on draft day, FA pickups, and trading. Firing coaches isn't the answer.

While I agree with you, if the scheme doesn’t fit the players, who should adjust? One guy or 22?

I'm just giving you the order in which it should happen. The GM needs to do his job and draft / trade /; get FA good players, then get a coach to fit those players. Of course the right coaches are paramount, but players win games.

So given the situation at hand, how many years, in your opinion, will it take to overhaul the o line, the rbs and the qb room to fit Betsy’s scheme? 4? 6?

Auto correct keeps changing Getsy to Betsy. I like it

I'm not saying Gesty is the right man for the job. What I am saying is that the GM needs to do his job first and that is to build a better team and that is through the draft, trading, and FA signings. To me that is the most important first steps in building a team. The hiring of OC and other coaches will coincide with the plan the GM has. Or at least I think that's the way it is suppose to happen.

Fair enough. But someone brought in Betsy. It wasn’t the correct choice. What now? Like now, not in some madden fantasy land where you’re starting a team from scratch. Betsy doesn’t fit this personnel or if you want to look at from the other side the players don’t fit him. What do you do? Roll over the roster or get rid of Betsy?

The keyword in my post was "coincide". The GM input is critical for coaching hires to fit the kind of team he wants to build.

So I’ll ask again. How long do you give 2 new hires to have their visions coincide? Betsy doesn’t fit this team and was a mistake. When do you cut bait? After switching 30% of the personnel to Betsy’s way, or now? Is TT supposed to start doing things for Betsy? I don’t think so. And I agree with you that hiring and firing coaches is not the answer. Hell, let Philbin run the offense and let TT have another draft and bring in someone with a shared vision before that draft.

I can’t speak for the GM, but I would hope he has an idea of what kind of players he wants to build around and would have input to the hire of coaches to fit his vision. I can’t put a timeline on that, only upper management can.

 

[massraider]

I am sure we will get all the best coaches if they get 6 weeks, and a panicky QB before we ship them out.

 

[JohnnyU]

I am sure we will get all the best coaches if they get 6 weeks, and a panicky QB before we ship them out.

 

[Chaka]

I am sure we will get all the best coaches if they get 6 weeks, and a panicky QB before we ship them out.

Keeping Pierce was Mark Davis trying to get a do-over for Bisaccia. It wasn't a good football hire IMO, it was an emotional one. I don't think Pierce and Getsy are the guys you want at the helm when you bring in a top rookie QB prospect.

I hate to make any coach a one-and-done but if it was a mistake, then it was a mistake. No sense at throwing good money after bad. Obviously any new coach needs to be able to work with Telesco and I have made my position on this one very clear but I want a guy like Ben Johnson. A rookie QB needs an strong offensive minded mentor at HC or OC and I don't think the Raiders have that ATM.

 

[kaso]

I am sure we will get all the best coaches if they get 6 weeks, and a panicky QB before we ship them out.

Don't necessarily disagree. But it's not like the Raiders have been sitting atop the rankings of best coaching locations and this move would drop them to the bottom of the list.
There's a balance between keeping the future bright, and keeping the current players happy and engaged. Getsy offers help in neither of those two ends.

 

[Hankmoody]

I hate to make any coach a one-and-done but if it was a mistake, then it was a mistake. No sense at throwing good money after bad. Obviously any new coach needs to be able to work with Telesco and I have made my position on this one very clear but I want a guy like Ben Johnson. A rookie QB needs an strong offensive minded mentor at HC or OC and I don't think the Raiders have that ATM.

Regardless of how bad it was, we can't keep firing guys after a year/year and a half. We'll never get a strong candidate to take us seriously. You think Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik would even return our call? This is why we have Getsy and not Klingsbury or some other hotshot OC candidate. We're going to have to earn the right to get top guys interested in us, and that starts with committing to whoever we have and letting their process play out. Say what you want about Jerry Jones but guys would line up around the block for that job regardless of the state of the team because they know they'll get the full opportunity to make it work.

 

[Chaka]

I hate to make any coach a one-and-done but if it was a mistake, then it was a mistake. No sense at throwing good money after bad. Obviously any new coach needs to be able to work with Telesco and I have made my position on this one very clear but I want a guy like Ben Johnson. A rookie QB needs an strong offensive minded mentor at HC or OC and I don't think the Raiders have that ATM.

Regardless of how bad it was, we can't keep firing guys after a year/year and a half. We'll never get a strong candidate to take us seriously. You think Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik would even return our call? This is why we have Getsy and not Klingsbury or some other hotshot OC candidate. We're going to have to earn the right to get top guys interested in us, and that starts with committing to whoever we have and letting their process play out. Say what you want about Jerry Jones but guys would line up around the block for that job regardless of the state of the team because they know they'll get the full opportunity to make it work.

IMO top OCs would love to end up in a situation where they are picking their QB of the future from the best prospects in the draft.

I have zero faith in Pierce & Getsy to properly develop a QB.

 

[ICON211]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

We should have a pretty decently high draft position that we might be able to get a good QB?

I do believe this defense, if healthy, is a winning football kind of defense. So... another good is that none of these injuries are career ending?

I think that is all I got.

I agree. I guess being terrible enough to have a crack at one of the top QBs is a win this season. Hooray?

Last year I advocated tanking for Caleb (or Daniels). And I was only partially kidding. Two years ago I wanted to sell the farm for Stroud and, missing him to take the major risk with Richardson (looking to be happy that didn't happen).

I don't know if there is really a QB worth stumping for in 2025 (I know one who may make me a permanent fan another team because the circus that comes with him) but it's better than what's currently in the QB room. Sorry but Drew Bledsoe with less arm strength, processing speed and mobility isn't the answer (and Satan should give Minshew his soul back already because he's incapable of holding up his end of the bargain. Seriously, how did he get this far?).

Bottom line is we all know you don't go far in this league without competent QB play.

And yes, the potential of this defense and Maxx's career are going to be entirely wasted if they don't make an aggressive move to solve the quarterback problem.

We did attempt at Stroud for sure. @Sarlakticacid said he is seeing reports we went after Daniels (which I think was always known that we tried but did not know the details). Trades take two to agree, not just us wanting it to happen. 3 1st round picks is a haul and I am not sure you could give more than that... I mean, if we gave 4 1st round selections when the trade was done I promise you more than one of us would be in here talking about "this is why we suck and will always suck" Now, that would have changed once Daniels lit it up (and I have full confidence that is we did have Daniels, Kingsbury wouldn't have left us for Washington.) but has there ever been 4 1st rounds given for a higher draft pick?

I am almost positive you can only trade your first round pick two years out from the current draft. Teams are not even allowed to trade their picks past the next two drafts. The only way a team can offer more than 3 first round picks is if they own one from another team. If Raiders did offer 3 first rounders I think that was the max they were allowed to.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

I know I am a big driver of the negativity around here this season but, do you think I enjoy it? Of course not. But we've spent 20+ years trying to find silver linings and in 2024 we have, what?

Make me believe there is something good to find about this season, Chad.

It says a lot that the high point of our season is, getting a low second to mid/late third for Davante.

What else you got?

We should have a pretty decently high draft position that we might be able to get a good QB?

I do believe this defense, if healthy, is a winning football kind of defense. So... another good is that none of these injuries are career ending?

I think that is all I got.

I agree. I guess being terrible enough to have a crack at one of the top QBs is a win this season. Hooray?

Last year I advocated tanking for Caleb (or Daniels). And I was only partially kidding. Two years ago I wanted to sell the farm for Stroud and, missing him to take the major risk with Richardson (looking to be happy that didn't happen).

I don't know if there is really a QB worth stumping for in 2025 (I know one who may make me a permanent fan another team because the circus that comes with him) but it's better than what's currently in the QB room. Sorry but Drew Bledsoe with less arm strength, processing speed and mobility isn't the answer (and Satan should give Minshew his soul back already because he's incapable of holding up his end of the bargain. Seriously, how did he get this far?).

Bottom line is we all know you don't go far in this league without competent QB play.

And yes, the potential of this defense and Maxx's career are going to be entirely wasted if they don't make an aggressive move to solve the quarterback problem.

We did attempt at Stroud for sure. @Sarlakticacid said he is seeing reports we went after Daniels (which I think was always known that we tried but did not know the details). Trades take two to agree, not just us wanting it to happen. 3 1st round picks is a haul and I am not sure you could give more than that... I mean, if we gave 4 1st round selections when the trade was done I promise you more than one of us would be in here talking about "this is why we suck and will always suck" Now, that would have changed once Daniels lit it up (and I have full confidence that is we did have Daniels, Kingsbury wouldn't have left us for Washington.) but has there ever been 4 1st rounds given for a higher draft pick?

I am almost positive you can only trade your first round pick two years out from the current draft. Teams are not even allowed to trade their picks past the next two drafts. The only way a team can offer more than 3 first round picks is if they own one from another team. If Raiders did offer 3 first rounders I think that was the max they were allowed to.

Good point. I do believe you are right.... so, let's plug in what I wrote instead if offered 3 1st and 3 2nd's.... and the rest the same.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I love Mad Maxx but if he keeps taking the same route to the QB then he is going to do us more harm than good. The tackles were just riding him up field off the edges and the running backs were shooting through the 5 and 6 gaps for huge gains. Hopefully this is just because of his injury and having issues stabilizing on the ankle and not him punting the run game going for sacks on pass plays.

 

[DocHolliday]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I did not. I only said everyone gets to voice their opinion. I never complained about any opinions as you did.

Ok, got it, you were affirming my "right" to express my opinion on some of the opinions expressed regardless if it made you feel warm and fuzzy. Thank you, I appreciate it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You complain when there are too many negative comments about one of the worst teams in the NFL for the past 20 years. I stated that people share their opinions on a message board and it’s not up to you to determine what is said. I don’t care what you say about the team. I’m not trying to control anyone’s comments.

I don’t know how anyone could feel warm and fuzzy about this team as it continues to spiral downward. The great WR that cost a couple of early draft picks a couple of years ago just forced his way out to go to the Jets! If that doesn’t show how low this the organization is viewed by the players, I don’t know what will.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

 

[JohnnyU]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

My granddaughter has oppositional behavior. If you say it is red, she will argue until she is blue in the face telling you it is blue. I have a close friend that is the same way too. He was worse when he used to drink, but neither of us do that anymore, so that helps.

 

[Chadstroma]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I did not. I only said everyone gets to voice their opinion. I never complained about any opinions as you did.

Ok, got it, you were affirming my "right" to express my opinion on some of the opinions expressed regardless if it made you feel warm and fuzzy. Thank you, I appreciate it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You complain when there are too many negative comments about one of the worst teams in the NFL for the past 20 years. I stated that people share their opinions on a message board and it’s not up to you to determine what is said. I don’t care what you say about the team. I’m not trying to control anyone’s comments.

I don’t know how anyone could feel warm and fuzzy about this team as it continues to spiral downward. The great WR that cost a couple of early draft picks a couple of years ago just forced his way out to go to the Jets! If that doesn’t show how low this the organization is viewed by the players, I don’t know what will.

Clearly you are.

I am done with this though, in as much as "opinions in comments". No point in going back and forth.

 

[Chadstroma]

I love Mad Maxx but if he keeps taking the same route to the QB then he is going to do us more harm than good. The tackles were just riding him up field off the edges and the running backs were shooting through the 5 and 6 gaps for huge gains. Hopefully this is just because of his injury and having issues stabilizing on the ankle and not him punting the run game going for sacks on pass plays.

Keep in mind that he is playing through an ankle injury. This is a degraded Maxx. I have full faith that a healthy Maxx will eat like he has in the past.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

My granddaughter has oppositional behavior. If you say it is red, she will argue until she is blue in the face telling you it is blue. I have a close friend that is the same way too. He was worse when he used to drink, but neither of us do that anymore, so that helps.

I do have a very strong contrarian streak in me (though I have learned to check it be more balanced over the years but my natural state is that of a contrarian). I am extremely loyal, sometimes to a fault. I am as well as very empathetic and try to look through other people's eyes on subjects. I also like to be very analytical and in this case it is really about the why's and not just look at the final win/loss record.

Add that all up and I think it explains a lot of my positions.

 

[JohnnyU]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

My granddaughter has oppositional behavior. If you say it is red, she will argue until she is blue in the face telling you it is blue. I have a close friend that is the same way too. He was worse when he used to drink, but neither of us do that anymore, so that helps.

I do have a very strong contrarian streak in me (though I have learned to check it be more balanced over the years but my natural state is that of a contrarian). I am extremely loyal, sometimes to a fault. I am as well as very empathetic and try to look through other people's eyes on subjects. I also like to be very analytical and in this case it is really about the why's and not just look at the final win/loss record.

Add that all up and I think it explains a lot of my positions.

I wouldn't know anything about you and your opinions. I was just making a comment about my granddaughter and friend.

 

[Chaka]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

Uhhhh...I was always team keep Carr so...

Seriously, how did they let Carr go without a succession plan firmly in place? How did they not get any value in return for Care?

I was optimistic about giving McD###bag a second chance... man, I couldn't have been more wrong.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

 

[Chadstroma]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

My granddaughter has oppositional behavior. If you say it is red, she will argue until she is blue in the face telling you it is blue. I have a close friend that is the same way too. He was worse when he used to drink, but neither of us do that anymore, so that helps.

I do have a very strong contrarian streak in me (though I have learned to check it be more balanced over the years but my natural state is that of a contrarian). I am extremely loyal, sometimes to a fault. I am as well as very empathetic and try to look through other people's eyes on subjects. I also like to be very analytical and in this case it is really about the why's and not just look at the final win/loss record.

Add that all up and I think it explains a lot of my positions.

I wouldn't know anything about you and your opinions. I was just making a comment about my granddaughter and friend.

And I was expanding on it about me as it hit home.

 

[Chadstroma]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thanks @Chaka . It’s nice not being the voice of reality in here anymore. And it’s funny to not be the one sparring with @Chadstroma all the t8me.

Uhhhh...I was always team keep Carr so...

Seriously, how did they let Carr go without a succession plan firmly in place? How did they not get any value in return for Care?

I was optimistic about giving McD###bag a second chance... man, I couldn't have been more wrong.

I kept reading that he learned from his time with the Donkeys and had changed... so I got optimistic... then realized that same ole guy that wrecks a team.

 

[massraider]

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[massraider]

Just from the offense I have seen, and I haven't seen every play, I can't complain about Getsy. Unless he is coaching Minshew to throw picks, and telling the line to not run block well, and telling Zamir to not see the holes.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Just from the offense I have seen, and I haven't seen every play, I can't complain about Getsy. Unless he is coaching Minshew to throw picks, and telling the line to not run block well, and telling Zamir to not see the holes.

The scheme is wrong. Which is why the line looks like it can’t block and Zeus looks like he can’t run.

 

[ZADO]

Antonio Pierce Considering Changing Things Up With OC Luke Getsy​

After several bad performances from the offense, the Raiders are contemplating moving Luke Getsy up to the press box.

In his presser, Pierce was asked whether Getsy would be moved, and his response was that he's still in the process of making his decision. Even though it hasn't officially been decided yet, the fact that the Raiders are even contemplating it is damning.

Moving a coordinator to the press box is usually the last step they get before being fired, so this is a relatively big development for the team. After several bad performances by the offense, many fans are clamoring for him to be fired already.

Something has to change with this offense, and fast. If Getsy does get moved to the press box, hopefully that's able to inspire some type of change.

 

[JohnnyU]

Antonio Pierce Considering Changing Things Up With OC Luke Getsy​

After several bad performances from the offense, the Raiders are contemplating moving Luke Getsy up to the press box.

In his presser, Pierce was asked whether Getsy would be moved, and his response was that he's still in the process of making his decision. Even though it hasn't officially been decided yet, the fact that the Raiders are even contemplating it is damning.

Moving a coordinator to the press box is usually the last step they get before being fired, so this is a relatively big development for the team. After several bad performances by the offense, many fans are clamoring for him to be fired already.

Something has to change with this offense, and fast. If Getsy does get moved to the press box, hopefully that's able to inspire some type of change.

I always thought the OC to the press box was to give him a better eye of the field for better decision making, not as a last step before firing.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Antonio Pierce Considering Changing Things Up With OC Luke Getsy​

After several bad performances from the offense, the Raiders are contemplating moving Luke Getsy up to the press box.

In his presser, Pierce was asked whether Getsy would be moved, and his response was that he's still in the process of making his decision. Even though it hasn't officially been decided yet, the fact that the Raiders are even contemplating it is damning.

Moving a coordinator to the press box is usually the last step they get before being fired, so this is a relatively big development for the team. After several bad performances by the offense, many fans are clamoring for him to be fired already.

Something has to change with this offense, and fast. If Getsy does get moved to the press box, hopefully that's able to inspire some type of change.

I always thought the OC to the press box was to give him a better eye of the field for better decision making, not as a last step before firing.

I’ve always thought that it meant they couldn’t see the big picture on the field, moving them upstairs is to see if that helps. If it doesn’t, see ya

 

[ZADO]

Antonio Pierce Considering Changing Things Up With OC Luke Getsy​

After several bad performances from the offense, the Raiders are contemplating moving Luke Getsy up to the press box.

In his presser, Pierce was asked whether Getsy would be moved, and his response was that he's still in the process of making his decision. Even though it hasn't officially been decided yet, the fact that the Raiders are even contemplating it is damning.

Moving a coordinator to the press box is usually the last step they get before being fired, so this is a relatively big development for the team. After several bad performances by the offense, many fans are clamoring for him to be fired already.

Something has to change with this offense, and fast. If Getsy does get moved to the press box, hopefully that's able to inspire some type of change.

I always thought the OC to the press box was to give him a better eye of the field for better decision making, not as a last step before firing.

I’ve always thought that it meant they couldn’t see the big picture on the field, moving them upstairs is to see if that helps. If it doesn’t, see ya

Didnt McDaniel's move Graham up to the booth at one point?

 

[ICON211]

Getsy needs to be moved out of the stadium. I don't expect it to happen this year. I agree with Chaka that Pierce and Getsy is a recipe for disaster with a rookie QB. I don't have faith in either to handle a rookie QB properly. If your HC is not an offensive guy that is qualified to develop a rookie QB then your OC better be up to that task.

 

[Chadstroma]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

Kingsbury had an agreement to join. He backed out. As it goes... apparently Magic made a pitch to him and I am confident part of that pitch was "we will draft Daniels". He looks over to our QB's and says... yea, that sounds better and then says he wasn't happy with the years offered in the contract and bolted.

I feel like if Carr was there he would feel like he could work with Carr as a known asset and people around the league like him a whole lot more than you do.

Tae came to the Raiders largely because of Carr. By all reports, the frustration for Tae has been having to play with "pretty noodles" (which you could see how he absolutely had zero respect for if you watch Receiver. Then, apparently he really did not like Minshew as well but did like AOC. He made it clear his preference was to go to the Jets or NO. Why? Because it was Rodgers or Carr. If Carr was here, Tae wouldn't have been looking for the door. Understandably, once the Raiders cut Carr, Tae had some feelings about that and bringing in no one that is close to being better than him just compounded the "WTF did I come here again?"

 

[Chadstroma]

Getsy needs to be moved out of the stadium. I don't expect it to happen this year. I agree with Chaka that Pierce and Getsy is a recipe for disaster with a rookie QB. I don't have faith in either to handle a rookie QB properly. If your HC is not an offensive guy that is qualified to develop a rookie QB then your OC better be up to that task.

Unless there is a huge turnaround on the offense from here on to the end of the season, I have no doubt that the Raiders will fire Getsy. I believe Getsy was a "well.... who else are we going to hire?" kind of hire after Kingsbury left us a little high and dry.

 

[Chaka]

Just from the offense I have seen, and I haven't seen every play, I can't complain about Getsy. Unless he is coaching Minshew to throw picks, and telling the line to not run block well, and telling Zamir to not see the holes.

I'm pretty sure he's doing all of those things.

 

[joey]

Getsy needs to be moved out of the stadium. I don't expect it to happen this year. I agree with Chaka that Pierce and Getsy is a recipe for disaster with a rookie QB. I don't have faith in either to handle a rookie QB properly. If your HC is not an offensive guy that is qualified to develop a rookie QB then your OC better be up to that task.

Unless there is a huge turnaround on the offense from here on to the end of the season, I have no doubt that the Raiders will fire Getsy. I believe Getsy was a "well.... who else are we going to hire?" kind of hire after Kingsbury left us a little high and dry.

I think Getsy gets until the bye week to show improvement, and then he’s out.
Don’t we have a hundred “consultants” on the staff with loads of coaching experience ? (maybe just head coaching and not OC).

 

[Chadstroma]

Just from the offense I have seen, and I haven't seen every play, I can't complain about Getsy. Unless he is coaching Minshew to throw picks, and telling the line to not run block well, and telling Zamir to not see the holes.

Systems matter... Getsy may be a great OC if he has players that fit his system.... I don't know, but he is very much "this is my system" and expects the players to play in it. Not everyone is suited to play in all systems.

Probably the easiest way to explain that is you can have a CB that is great playing M2M and then goes to a team that plays a ton of zone and will suck. Or vice versa. See Nnamdi Asomugha leaving us for Philly (M2M heavy to Zone heavy) and DeAngelo Hall (zone to M2M) both being disasters.

 

[Chadstroma]

Getsy needs to be moved out of the stadium. I don't expect it to happen this year. I agree with Chaka that Pierce and Getsy is a recipe for disaster with a rookie QB. I don't have faith in either to handle a rookie QB properly. If your HC is not an offensive guy that is qualified to develop a rookie QB then your OC better be up to that task.

Unless there is a huge turnaround on the offense from here on to the end of the season, I have no doubt that the Raiders will fire Getsy. I believe Getsy was a "well.... who else are we going to hire?" kind of hire after Kingsbury left us a little high and dry.

I think Getsy gets until the bye week to show improvement, and then he’s out.
Don’t we have a hundred “consultants” on the staff with loads of coaching experience ? (maybe just head coaching and not OC).

Philbin is the only one with NFL OC experience. Not sure how long ago that was but it wasn't recent.

 

[ICON211]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

Kingsbury had an agreement to join. He backed out. As it goes... apparently Magic made a pitch to him and I am confident part of that pitch was "we will draft Daniels". He looks over to our QB's and says... yea, that sounds better and then says he wasn't happy with the years offered in the contract and bolted.

I feel like if Carr was there he would feel like he could work with Carr as a known asset and people around the league like him a whole lot more than you do.

Tae came to the Raiders largely because of Carr. By all reports, the frustration for Tae has been having to play with "pretty noodles" (which you could see how he absolutely had zero respect for if you watch Receiver. Then, apparently he really did not like Minshew as well but did like AOC. He made it clear his preference was to go to the Jets or NO. Why? Because it was Rodgers or Carr. If Carr was here, Tae wouldn't have been looking for the door. Understandably, once the Raiders cut Carr, Tae had some feelings about that and bringing in no one that is close to being better than him just compounded the "WTF did I come here again?"

I don't really see how Carr factors in to the Kingsbury situation. He was gone a full year before they tried to hire Kingsbury. And while it may be true that people in the NFL are higher than some of us in here on Carr, Daniels was a heisman winner who some people thought should have been the #1 pick and thought was a generational talent. Who wouldn't choose to work with Daniels over the Raiders QBs or Carr? Washington told him they were taking Daniels and he chose Daniels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt there were many other QBs Kingsbury would have rather worked with over Daniels.

 

[Chadstroma]

And as I was saying earlier...

“It's an exciting day for the Raider organization,” Davis said. “Although Tom can't play, I think he can help us select a quarterback in the future and potentially train him as well.”

 

[Chadstroma]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

Kingsbury had an agreement to join. He backed out. As it goes... apparently Magic made a pitch to him and I am confident part of that pitch was "we will draft Daniels". He looks over to our QB's and says... yea, that sounds better and then says he wasn't happy with the years offered in the contract and bolted.

I feel like if Carr was there he would feel like he could work with Carr as a known asset and people around the league like him a whole lot more than you do.

Tae came to the Raiders largely because of Carr. By all reports, the frustration for Tae has been having to play with "pretty noodles" (which you could see how he absolutely had zero respect for if you watch Receiver. Then, apparently he really did not like Minshew as well but did like AOC. He made it clear his preference was to go to the Jets or NO. Why? Because it was Rodgers or Carr. If Carr was here, Tae wouldn't have been looking for the door. Understandably, once the Raiders cut Carr, Tae had some feelings about that and bringing in no one that is close to being better than him just compounded the "WTF did I come here again?"

I don't really see how Carr factors in to the Kingsbury situation. He was gone a full year before they tried to hire Kingsbury. And while it may be true that people in the NFL are higher than some of us in here on Carr, Daniels was a heisman winner who some people thought should have been the #1 pick and thought was a generational talent. Who wouldn't choose to work with Daniels over the Raiders QBs or Carr? Washington told him they were taking Daniels and he chose Daniels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dount there were many other QBs Kingsbury would have rather worked with over Daniels.

It is about having a QB vs not.

 

[ICON211]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

Kingsbury had an agreement to join. He backed out. As it goes... apparently Magic made a pitch to him and I am confident part of that pitch was "we will draft Daniels". He looks over to our QB's and says... yea, that sounds better and then says he wasn't happy with the years offered in the contract and bolted.

I feel like if Carr was there he would feel like he could work with Carr as a known asset and people around the league like him a whole lot more than you do.

Tae came to the Raiders largely because of Carr. By all reports, the frustration for Tae has been having to play with "pretty noodles" (which you could see how he absolutely had zero respect for if you watch Receiver. Then, apparently he really did not like Minshew as well but did like AOC. He made it clear his preference was to go to the Jets or NO. Why? Because it was Rodgers or Carr. If Carr was here, Tae wouldn't have been looking for the door. Understandably, once the Raiders cut Carr, Tae had some feelings about that and bringing in no one that is close to being better than him just compounded the "WTF did I come here again?"

I don't really see how Carr factors in to the Kingsbury situation. He was gone a full year before they tried to hire Kingsbury. And while it may be true that people in the NFL are higher than some of us in here on Carr, Daniels was a heisman winner who some people thought should have been the #1 pick and thought was a generational talent. Who wouldn't choose to work with Daniels over the Raiders QBs or Carr? Washington told him they were taking Daniels and he chose Daniels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dount there were many other QBs Kingsbury would have rather worked with over Daniels.

It is about having a QB vs not.

I see it as being about having the chance to work with a big time QB prospect, coming off winning the Heisman trophy, that Washington thought so highly of that there was pretty much no trade they would have made and passed on him. Kingsbury going to Washington was all about Daniels not anything else or any other QBS.

 

[Chadstroma]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

Kingsbury had an agreement to join. He backed out. As it goes... apparently Magic made a pitch to him and I am confident part of that pitch was "we will draft Daniels". He looks over to our QB's and says... yea, that sounds better and then says he wasn't happy with the years offered in the contract and bolted.

I feel like if Carr was there he would feel like he could work with Carr as a known asset and people around the league like him a whole lot more than you do.

Tae came to the Raiders largely because of Carr. By all reports, the frustration for Tae has been having to play with "pretty noodles" (which you could see how he absolutely had zero respect for if you watch Receiver. Then, apparently he really did not like Minshew as well but did like AOC. He made it clear his preference was to go to the Jets or NO. Why? Because it was Rodgers or Carr. If Carr was here, Tae wouldn't have been looking for the door. Understandably, once the Raiders cut Carr, Tae had some feelings about that and bringing in no one that is close to being better than him just compounded the "WTF did I come here again?"

I don't really see how Carr factors in to the Kingsbury situation. He was gone a full year before they tried to hire Kingsbury. And while it may be true that people in the NFL are higher than some of us in here on Carr, Daniels was a heisman winner who some people thought should have been the #1 pick and thought was a generational talent. Who wouldn't choose to work with Daniels over the Raiders QBs or Carr? Washington told him they were taking Daniels and he chose Daniels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dount there were many other QBs Kingsbury would have rather worked with over Daniels.

It is about having a QB vs not.

I see it as being about having the chance to work with a big time QB prospect, coming off winning the Heisman trophy, that Washington thought so highly of that there was pretty much no trade they would have made and passed on him. Kingsbury going to Washington was all about Daniels not anything else or any other QBS.

It is pure speculation and can not be proved either way. But I feel like the chances of him staying rather than bolting for Washington would have been greatly increased with Carr still on the team.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Carr wouldn’t help this team. He might get them 1-2 more wins. Betsy has destroyed the run game. No qb will succeed without a run game. I was all for AP given the candidates available, but his rah rah crap is getting extremely old. Let’s see some more business decisions to see if he’s really manning the helm. #firebetsynow

Except.... chances Kingsbury would have stayed with Carr significantly higher than Minshew/AOC.

Tae would not have wanted to leave as well.

Obviously I can't prove those but they seem pretty logical to me.

Maybe. Carr is slightly above average. He has lots of stats. His mobility is middle of the road. who knows if kingsbury likes him. And “would have stayed” implies he was on staff. He never was. I think if you and I were the qbs kingsbury might have been more interested.

Maybe DA stays. Maybe not. He’s come across as a typical WR diva this year.

Kingsbury had an agreement to join. He backed out. As it goes... apparently Magic made a pitch to him and I am confident part of that pitch was "we will draft Daniels". He looks over to our QB's and says... yea, that sounds better and then says he wasn't happy with the years offered in the contract and bolted.

I feel like if Carr was there he would feel like he could work with Carr as a known asset and people around the league like him a whole lot more than you do.

Tae came to the Raiders largely because of Carr. By all reports, the frustration for Tae has been having to play with "pretty noodles" (which you could see how he absolutely had zero respect for if you watch Receiver. Then, apparently he really did not like Minshew as well but did like AOC. He made it clear his preference was to go to the Jets or NO. Why? Because it was Rodgers or Carr. If Carr was here, Tae wouldn't have been looking for the door. Understandably, once the Raiders cut Carr, Tae had some feelings about that and bringing in no one that is close to being better than him just compounded the "WTF did I come here again?"

I don't really see how Carr factors in to the Kingsbury situation. He was gone a full year before they tried to hire Kingsbury. And while it may be true that people in the NFL are higher than some of us in here on Carr, Daniels was a heisman winner who some people thought should have been the #1 pick and thought was a generational talent. Who wouldn't choose to work with Daniels over the Raiders QBs or Carr? Washington told him they were taking Daniels and he chose Daniels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dount there were many other QBs Kingsbury would have rather worked with over Daniels.

It is about having a QB vs not.

I see it as being about having the chance to work with a big time QB prospect, coming off winning the Heisman trophy, that Washington thought so highly of that there was pretty much no trade they would have made and passed on him. Kingsbury going to Washington was all about Daniels not anything else or any other QBS.

And since we’re talking systems. Daniel’s is better fit for kingsbury than carr.

 

[Chadstroma]

I see it as being about having the chance to work with a big time QB prospect, coming off winning the Heisman trophy, that Washington thought so highly of that there was pretty much no trade they would have made and passed on him. Kingsbury going to Washington was all about Daniels not anything else or any other QBS.

And since we’re talking systems. Daniel’s is better fit for kingsbury than carr.

 

[ICON211]

Anybody see Brady's entrance into Raiders headquarters? Looked like a big welcome party. I did not expect that.

Owners approve Brady's bid to buy into Raiders

Tom Brady's purchase of a minority stake in the Raiders was approved by NFL team owners Tuesday.

africa.espn.com

 

[kaso]

Anybody see Brady's entrance into Raiders headquarters? Looked like a big welcome party. I did not expect that.

Owners approve Brady's bid to buy into Raiders

Tom Brady's purchase of a minority stake in the Raiders was approved by NFL team owners Tuesday.

africa.espn.com

Lost opportunity for him to walk in and immediately fumble a ball

 

[krsone21]

Anybody see Brady's entrance into Raiders headquarters? Looked like a big welcome party. I did not expect that.

Owners approve Brady's bid to buy into Raiders

Tom Brady's purchase of a minority stake in the Raiders was approved by NFL team owners Tuesday.

africa.espn.com

Heck I was sitting here cheering when I saw the video.

 

[kaso]

Hard not to hear Adams speak here and not point the finger further at the Offensive play calling and QB play as the main reason he is no longer here.

x.com

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[DocHolliday]

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I mean... I get being down and feeling like a repeatedly beaten dog but damn the "we suck, always will suck and sucky suck" gets wearing when it already sucks to watch the team.

Yea... I get it. We are losing games and this is the same song being sung for 20+ years but damn.

If I want that in my life, I can go to one of the Facebook Raider groups.

People are allowed to voice their opinion. That’s kind of the point of these things whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not.

Which would include me, no?

You were the one that stated you are unhappy hearing with the negative opinion of others. Nobody said anything to you about voicing your opinion.

So, I am allowed to voice my opinion whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy or not, right? If so, then you did the same you are accusing me of though a whole lot more direct.

I did not. I only said everyone gets to voice their opinion. I never complained about any opinions as you did.

Ok, got it, you were affirming my "right" to express my opinion on some of the opinions expressed regardless if it made you feel warm and fuzzy. Thank you, I appreciate it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You complain when there are too many negative comments about one of the worst teams in the NFL for the past 20 years. I stated that people share their opinions on a message board and it’s not up to you to determine what is said. I don’t care what you say about the team. I’m not trying to control anyone’s comments.

I don’t know how anyone could feel warm and fuzzy about this team as it continues to spiral downward. The great WR that cost a couple of early draft picks a couple of years ago just forced his way out to go to the Jets! If that doesn’t show how low this the organization is viewed by the players, I don’t know what will.

Clearly you are.

I am done with this though, in as much as "opinions in comments". No point in going back and forth.

The problem is you have no argument. I NEVER tried to control the narrative of anyone’s comments. That was you and only you. If you don’t like fans being negative about one of the worst teams in the NFL over the last 20 years, you probably shouldn’t discuss the Raiders.

PS. The Raiders suck.