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Indefinite Tampa Bay Bucs thread: Somehow not on the list of teams to never have won a Super Bowl (1 Viewer)

Gargoylez said:
If Lovie isnt into Glennon, equal to the talent in this draft IMO, he isnt going to want any of these qbs. So QB is off the board for the first pick. End of story.

WR is the biggest option with Ebron or Mack if they are there.
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Key there is IMO. What you think doesn't matter to TB organization.

 
Gargoylez said:
If Lovie isnt into Glennon, equal to the talent in this draft IMO, he isnt going to want any of these qbs. So QB is off the board for the first pick. End of story.

WR is the biggest option with Ebron or Mack if they are there.
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Huh? All 4 of these QBs have better draft grades than Glennon did.

 
The more I hear of Carr's stock rising the more I think he may be the QB they want. They brought Garrapolo in, and met with him at the senior bowl, so he could be the plan if they don't get one in round 1.

 
Quez said:
The more I hear of Carr's stock rising the more I think he may be the QB they want. They brought Garrapolo in, and met with him at the senior bowl, so he could be the plan if they don't get one in round 1.
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Aren't all the "QB needy" teams meeting with all of the QB's though?

McCown isn't the future obvoiusly. If Lovie and Tedford don't like Glennon they should take the guy they do like at #7. I've been pretty adamant about not wanting a QB there, but if the front office decides one of these players is worthy I trust their judgement. It would be nice to have a decent signal caller in town for a change.

 
Yeah, QB doesn't fill an immediate hole if they are going to start McCown, but it may be a wise decision. If McCown or Glennon don't work out then we are forced to take one next season. I think this is a pretty strong QB class, and who knows what next year will look like.

 
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Gargoylez said:
If Lovie isnt into Glennon, equal to the talent in this draft IMO, he isnt going to want any of these qbs. So QB is off the board for the first pick. End of story.

WR is the biggest option with Ebron or Mack if they are there.
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Huh? All 4 of these QBs have better draft grades than Glennon did.
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So what you are saying is that a "draft Grade" from 2013 is what you are basing Glennons worth on? Seriously man, has this man done something so horrible to you that you have to bash him at every turn? Sooo Is Bridgewater better than Tom Brady because Brady's draft grade was worse? That is the logic you are imposing.

Glennon. Entered into quite possibly the worst NFL scenario there was last year as a rookie. Josh Freeman ordeal, Banged up line, banged up team, crazy coach, infections, etc.

Threw for 60% completion, 19 TD's and 9 INT's. No one in there right mind would say what he accomplished was anything but pretty damn good... again, considering his surroundings. That is fact, that is in the NFL record books, this is not conjecture or prediction... THAT HAPPENED.

I am not the only one who doesn't like this QB class... most people are not claiming any of these guys to be the next Luck and most of them being fairly high risk.

The Bucs need weapons. Evans would be perfect for what they are trying to do. I do not assume that I know what they will do, but if they pick a QB, that use of a high pick is as good as the number font on their new putrid jersey's.

 
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I've been bashing Glennon since October. Has nothing to do with his draft grade other than the context of the quote I was replying to.

 
Another way of looking at it is that if they don't feel Glennon can be elite, then they roll the dice on a rookie QB who could possibly become elite. If that doesn't work out, they do the same next year. An elite QB is obviously very important.

 
bucsbaby said:
Another way of looking at it is that if they don't feel Glennon can be elite, then they roll the dice on a rookie QB who could possibly become elite. If that doesn't work out, they do the same next year. An elite QB is obviously very important.
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But why would you be throwing first round picks away? If you could grab some weapons for a pretty good QB, and drafting quality starters and backups to shore up the weak links. My point is, Glennon, after one year pro, did not do bad at all, in fact better than most considering the crap pile he played for. Do we want a team rolling the dice with Gabbert / Ponder type QB's? Not me, not any real GM IMO.

Roll with McCown, have Glennon there, who will play better than average, if McCown goes down or plays like crap. Get elite players like Evans, or Ebron or Mack if he falls... much less risk, and makes the team much better than any QB in this draft... and again its my opinion.

 
Another school of thought is if you have a dominant D, you can win Superbowls with less-than-elite QBs who play well enough to win. I would be happy if they took a stud defender in the 1st. I wouldn't want a WR in the first though unless they are a Calvin clone.

 
People who were saying VJax would flop in Tampa were way wrong though. The guy has been a beast and a class act, worked hard, etc. He's thrived there. In fact, he's been the best offensive player by quite a margin.

 
Grahamburn said:
bucsbaby said:
Gotta predict offense. Either OL or WR would be my guess. With Mike Williams being kinda iffy, they don't have much after VJax.

Edit to add: Another possibility would be a QB to groom while McCown is a stopgap. Not enamored with that based on the reviews of the QBs so far.
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They're in a pretty good spot in most draft scenarios now after filling so many holes. I would prefer Watkins or Evans, but one of the tackles would be nice as well, but do any of the LTs fit on the right side? Maybe all 3 or at least 2 of the top QBs will be available and they can back up a few spots if Clowney, Watkins, Mack, and the tackles all get drafted 1-6? That could really be a worst case scenario if nobody wants to move up for a QB.

It's hard for me to envision a QB being the pick. Why go out in free agency and spend all this money adding starters only to break in a rookie at the most important position on the field? A QB with that pick basically has to start right away. That being said, all of the starters they added are 28 or younger, so there is some time to break in a young QB. So, groom Glennon if that's the plan. I don't see why any of these 3 players (Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel) are head and shoulders better than him. Draft a guy in the 5th. They still need someone else.

Aaron Donald intrigues me. He projects as a 3-technique tackle, and the Bucs obviously have one of those in Gerald McCoy, but if you're building a relentless pass rush he's the cream of the crop from the interior. Mold the line after the Seahawks and just keep sending fresh players after the QB.
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I'm betting this is our guy.

 
Grahamburn said:
Grahamburn said:
bucsbaby said:
Gotta predict offense. Either OL or WR would be my guess. With Mike Williams being kinda iffy, they don't have much after VJax.

Edit to add: Another possibility would be a QB to groom while McCown is a stopgap. Not enamored with that based on the reviews of the QBs so far.
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They're in a pretty good spot in most draft scenarios now after filling so many holes. I would prefer Watkins or Evans, but one of the tackles would be nice as well, but do any of the LTs fit on the right side? Maybe all 3 or at least 2 of the top QBs will be available and they can back up a few spots if Clowney, Watkins, Mack, and the tackles all get drafted 1-6? That could really be a worst case scenario if nobody wants to move up for a QB.

It's hard for me to envision a QB being the pick. Why go out in free agency and spend all this money adding starters only to break in a rookie at the most important position on the field? A QB with that pick basically has to start right away. That being said, all of the starters they added are 28 or younger, so there is some time to break in a young QB. So, groom Glennon if that's the plan. I don't see why any of these 3 players (Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel) are head and shoulders better than him. Draft a guy in the 5th. They still need someone else.

Aaron Donald intrigues me. He projects as a 3-technique tackle, and the Bucs obviously have one of those in Gerald McCoy, but if you're building a relentless pass rush he's the cream of the crop from the interior. Mold the line after the Seahawks and just keep sending fresh players after the QB.
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I'm betting this is our guy.
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Did you see McCoys tweets about not moving from the 3-tech tackle? Does that come into play?

 
Donald can play LE and the nose. It wouldn't surprise me either but I think we have a new QB between 8:00 tonight and pick 39 tomorrow.

 
I don't get the Aaron Donald love either. He plays a position that is already a strength in Gerald McCoy. McCoy already said he's not moving over. This seems like manufactured interest to get trade offers from Aaron Donald suitors.

 
I love Evans as a #2, but not necessarily as a #1. The new capologist has apparently set V-Jax highest salary on the team in his sights, and drafted his replacement. They could have drafted a solid #2 compliment in the 2nd or 3rd, but #7 overall should be #1 WR talent.

What I really like about this move is it is it is an immediate need. We aren't waiting on a QB to develop. Lovie has said he wants to win now. Hopefully we will be competetive next year.

I may have overthought the draft with the extra weeks. The Donald talk got to me a little. Like I said before, worst offense in league and an O pick is a no brainer.

Sounds like Love likes are QB situation, so Glennon is likely staying in board.

 
All the drafting qb talk was either smoke screen or pitched by moron media writers trying too make a story. Seriously. Drafting a qb there would have been the worst pick in the draft.

 
Do we bother with a QB now, since we kept Glennon?

Lee here in the 2nd would change the O dramatically.

 
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gump said:
Do we bother with a QB now, since we kept Glennon?

Lee here in the 2nd would change the O dramatically.
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Lovie said last night Glennon is the QB of the future. Every guard is still on the board. Oakland likely has their hearts set on Carr. I hope we end up with Su'a-filo.

 
I think WR is still a pretty big need, so that has to still be in play. Maybe the guard from UCLA? WR3 & OG are probably still the biggest holes if you had to point to something. Everything else would probably be a depth pick, which you could make an argument for needing at DL, DB, and LB.

 
Well, the receivers are very tall. I'll give you that. Not sure if Vjax is the "mentor" type but Evans could probably learn a ton from him obviously.

 
Quez said:
I love Evans as a #2, but not necessarily as a #1. The new capologist has apparently set V-Jax highest salary on the team in his sights, and drafted his replacement. They could have drafted a solid #2 compliment in the 2nd or 3rd, but #7 overall should be #1 WR talent.

What I really like about this move is it is it is an immediate need. We aren't waiting on a QB to develop. Lovie has said he wants to win now. Hopefully we will be competetive next year.

I may have overthought the draft with the extra weeks. The Donald talk got to me a little. Like I said before, worst offense in league and an O pick is a no brainer.

Sounds like Love likes are QB situation, so Glennon is likely staying in board.
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I would've preferred a QB but Evans is in no way a #2. He has Andre Johnson potential.

 
Hey, if you want McCown to look good, you give him two Scottie Pippens on the outside. Thought it was a pretty great pick.

 
Don't forget about Tim Wright. That makes for 3 massive pass catchers for the Bucs. This is going to be very difficult to scheme against.

If Evans could emerge as a #1 WR in the league that would be fabulous. V-Jax is expensive and won't be around forever.

As far as him being like Andre Johnson... I hope so, but I just don't see him the same way as I saw Julio, AJ Green, or other top of draft studs.

 
I definitely think questions about his quickness/suddenness are legit, but remember watching Manziel highlights, and thinking, well, that's a pick if that big mamma jamma didn't just take that ball away from those DBs.

He's a big WR that actually uses his size.

 
I thought I heard something about us having a former Texas AM staff member as a trainer or something now. Evans is apparently a workout warrior. I also like the fact that he is an ex-basketball player.

 
Lamarcus Joyner would be a great pick in the 2nd. He could be the future Ronde in this D.

Joel Bitonio looks like a guy that can play anywhere on the O-line. He is a possibility. The other top guards are Gabe Jackson and Su'a-filo. I don't think we go OT.

Marquis Lee or one of the other top remaining WRs could be an option.

 
They've certainly added pieces. D in FA and O in the draft. They've got to do it on the field though, it's a tough division.

 
gump said:
Herron seems like a great fit.
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He does. I liked the draft. Vjax and Evans outside. Our new TE and Myers playing on the line and Wright/Simms/Herron working inside the hashes. With Dougie running it. Sounds great.

 
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I've thought about it and have concluded that TB will open with a home win vs the Panthers.

Tedford and several offensive skill players will be great value drafts like Trestman's Bears and Kelly's Eagles last year. I really think Tedford's offense will impress.

 
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Should be a good competition to watch between Demps & Heron until Demps gets hurt.

I wonder how interchangeable Simms will be with these two.

 
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I heard Joebucsfan say today that Wright has been looking really good and has put on weight, but they want him to put on more to play TE. This was actually a fear of mine at the end of the season. I said "watch them make this guy put on weight and he will be slower and not as effective in pass game". Hopefully he can handle the weight and this doesn't happen.

 
Quez said:
Should be a good competition to watch between Demps & Heron until Demps gets hurt.

I wonder how interchangeable Simms will be with these two.
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I don't think Demps makes the team. Simms/Herron kind of makes him irrelevant now IMO.

 
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