Indefinite Tampa Bay Bucs thread: Somehow not on the list of teams to never have won a Super Bowl (1 Viewer)

[Grahamburn]

I agree QB is a great place to go with the 7th pick if any of the players are worthy of the selection. I don't see why any of these players are. I'd prefer the Bucs not end up like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, or Minnesota who have wasted early picks reaching for QBs who can't play in the NFL. They already made the mistake with Josh Freeman and it has cost the franchise 5 bad seasons now.

Safety really doesn't make much sense and the Bucs took a safety 7th two years ago. Corner isn't a glaring need. I wouldn't mind one of the OTs. The Bucs haven't taken an offensive lineman early in the draft since Davin Joseph, and it has shown. WR seems obvious. VjAx aging. Mike Williams being a knucklehead.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I agree QB is a great place to go with the 7th pick if any of the players are worthy of the selection. I don't see why any of these players are. I'd prefer the Bucs not end up like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, or Minnesota who have wasted early picks reaching for QBs who can't play in the NFL. They already made the mistake with Josh Freeman and it has cost the franchise 5 bad seasons now.

Not to argue with you, but Cleveland and Oakland don't belong on that list of teams that spent high first round picks on QBs. Last time Cleveland did it was 15 yrs ago on Tim Couch. Raiders have had 3 first round QB draft picks in 34 years.

 

[Faust]

Bucs go bold in free agency and score big under new management

 

[Grahamburn]

I agree QB is a great place to go with the 7th pick if any of the players are worthy of the selection. I don't see why any of these players are. I'd prefer the Bucs not end up like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, or Minnesota who have wasted early picks reaching for QBs who can't play in the NFL. They already made the mistake with Josh Freeman and it has cost the franchise 5 bad seasons now.

Not to argue with you, but Cleveland and Oakland don't belong on that list of teams that spent high first round picks on QBs. Last time Cleveland did it was 15 yrs ago on Tim Couch. Raiders have had 3 first round QB draft picks in 34 years.

I was just thinking about teams who recently spent first rounders on QB's. They're also the same teams who perrennially pick at the top of the draft. Weeden was still a first rounder. JaMarcus Russell. All I'm saying is taking these guys when they aren't a sure thing really kills your team, because you have to give them an opportunity to play and fail.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I agree QB is a great place to go with the 7th pick if any of the players are worthy of the selection. I don't see why any of these players are. I'd prefer the Bucs not end up like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, or Minnesota who have wasted early picks reaching for QBs who can't play in the NFL. They already made the mistake with Josh Freeman and it has cost the franchise 5 bad seasons now.

Not to argue with you, but Cleveland and Oakland don't belong on that list of teams that spent high first round picks on QBs. Last time Cleveland did it was 15 yrs ago on Tim Couch. Raiders have had 3 first round QB draft picks in 34 years.

I was just thinking about teams who recently spent first rounders on QB's. They're also the same teams who perrennially pick at the top of the draft. Weeden was still a first rounder. JaMarcus Russell. All I'm saying is taking these guys when they aren't a sure thing really kills your team, because you have to give them an opportunity to play and fail.

I hear your argument loud and clear. But look at the teams that drafted QB's in the new CBA era. The QB's that miss don't plunge their franchise into the abyss of cap hell like the did a decade ago. Look at the cap hell that Detroit is in right now. Taking a QB and missing early isn't nearly as traumatic as it once was.

 

[Grahamburn]

I agree QB is a great place to go with the 7th pick if any of the players are worthy of the selection. I don't see why any of these players are. I'd prefer the Bucs not end up like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, or Minnesota who have wasted early picks reaching for QBs who can't play in the NFL. They already made the mistake with Josh Freeman and it has cost the franchise 5 bad seasons now.

Not to argue with you, but Cleveland and Oakland don't belong on that list of teams that spent high first round picks on QBs. Last time Cleveland did it was 15 yrs ago on Tim Couch. Raiders have had 3 first round QB draft picks in 34 years.

I was just thinking about teams who recently spent first rounders on QB's. They're also the same teams who perrennially pick at the top of the draft. Weeden was still a first rounder. JaMarcus Russell. All I'm saying is taking these guys when they aren't a sure thing really kills your team, because you have to give them an opportunity to play and fail.

I hear your argument loud and clear. But look at the teams that drafted QB's in the new CBA era. The QB's that miss don't plunge their franchise into the abyss of cap hell like the did a decade ago. Look at the cap hell that Detroit is in right now. Taking a QB and missing early isn't nearly as traumatic as it once was.

It's not traumatic on the cap anymore, but it is traumatic on your team's chances of winning.

I'll give a little on a player like Manziel. Despite his flaws, that guy can flat out play. The sell out problem would disappear the day after he was drafted. He'd make enough plays to be competitive even with the mistakes the team would have to endure.

I just don't think Manziel fits Lovie's or Tedford's style, so I can't see them drafting him.

 

[Premier]

Manziel doesn't fit.

I would bet almost anything on a QB in one of the first two rounds.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

With all they've done in free agency, why not consider trading down? There should be plenty of teams hungry to step into that pick.

 

[Premier]

With all they've done in free agency, why not consider trading down? There should be plenty of teams hungry to step into that pick.

Depends on who is there but seems unlikely. This draft is super loaded, going to be hard for any teams to give up their premium picks.

 

[Gargoylez]

Sorry no qb for the bucs. If thats the case Glennon would be their guy. Glennon is as good or better than Any of the rookie qbs and proved he could play in the nfl under crazy circumstances. Why would they waste a top ten pick on a lateral player?

Lovie will want to stock defense, if mack drops, he is theres, donald?

 

[Tool]

Manziel doesn't fit.

I would bet almost anything on a QB in one of the first two rounds.

Agree.

 

[Grahamburn]

Sorry no qb for the bucs. If thats the case Glennon would be their guy. Glennon is as good or better than Any of the rookie qbs and proved he could play in the nfl under crazy circumstances. Why would they waste a top ten pick on a lateral player?

Lovie will want to stock defense, if mack drops, he is theres, donald?

I keep slobbering over the weapon potential on this team if Williams can get it together and Watkins or Evans are added to the group.

 

[Premier]

Sorry no qb for the bucs. If thats the case Glennon would be their guy. Glennon is as good or better than Any of the rookie qbs and proved he could play in the nfl under crazy circumstances. Why would they waste a top ten pick on a lateral player?

Lovie will want to stock defense, if mack drops, he is theres, donald?

It's pretty obvious they don't like Glennon at all.

 

[Quez]

Manziel doesn't fit.

I would bet almost anything on a QB in one of the first two rounds.

I think they like Garapolo.

 

[Quez]

This article doesn't make me feel to good about our LT.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1994994-understanding-the-context-of-anthony-collins-success-for-the-cincinnati-bengals

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/20/mark-dominik-signs-on-with-espn/

Nice to see former Bucs GM Mark Dominik land on his feet, after all those years serving the Glazers. I think he gets far too much criticism now that he and Schiano got run out Tampa.

 

[Premier]

Really? Other than managing the cap and the 2012 draft, what did he do well?

I see 5 years with no playoff appearances and a team with no depth.

 

[Quez]

He made the worst trade in the history if the NFL!

 

[Grahamburn]

This article doesn't make me feel to good about our LT.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1994994-understanding-the-context-of-anthony-collins-success-for-the-cincinnati-bengals

It doesn't, but I imagine you can cherry pick clips of the best LTs in the game and find them making mistakes against guys like Julius Peppers and Cameron Wake.

All offenses are running those short throws and screens. Tedford's offense certainly will.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This article doesn't make me feel to good about our LT.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1994994-understanding-the-context-of-anthony-collins-success-for-the-cincinnati-bengals

It doesn't, but I imagine you can cherry pick clips of the best LTs in the game and find them making mistakes against guys like Julius Peppers and Cameron Wake.

All offenses are running those short throws and screens. Tedford's offense certainly will.

That B/R report makes Collins look like a weak sister for sure, instead of an up and coming tackle. You should be seeing some red flags in that he's 28 yo and never had a full time role on his own team, and not rated very highly on the free agent listings for tackles. I'm not very happy about Penn signing with the Raiders, b/c he's a turstile in pass pro, but could at least run block well. But I think swapping him out for Collins may not be the upgrade you think he is. That and the Michael Johnson DE move are head scratching moves imo.

 

[Premier]

PFF had Collins ranked in their top-5 OTs last year IIRC. Good enough for me.

 

[Grahamburn]

I remember wanting Mike Jenkins when he came out. Welcome aboard.

The former first-round pick out of University of South Florida began his career in Dallas, where he spent the first five years of his career. The Cowboys chose not to re-sign him after the 2012 season and he signed a one-year deal with the Raiders last offseason. In 15 starts in Oakland, Jenkins had 65 tackles, six passes defended and two interceptions. And now he's joining the Bucs, who through the first two weeks of free agency have made themselves relevant in the NFC South.

Of course, there are no trophies for offseason roster-stacking. Put another way: While adding warm bodies looks good in March, we'll know a lot more in September and October. Jenkins joins a secondary that includes Verner, Johnthan Banks, and safeties Dashon Goldson and Mark Barron.

This defense is rounding into form. The sting of losing Revis has healed a bit.

 

[Quez]

I remember all the homers wanted Jenkins over Aquib. Bruce Allen definitely made the right choice on that one. He was horrible in Dallas. He was drafted with the expectations of being a top CB, which he will never be. Maybe he can develop into a solid nickel or #2???

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I remember wanting Mike Jenkins when he came out. Welcome aboard.

The former first-round pick out of University of South Florida began his career in Dallas, where he spent the first five years of his career. The Cowboys chose not to re-sign him after the 2012 season and he signed a one-year deal with the Raiders last offseason. In 15 starts in Oakland, Jenkins had 65 tackles, six passes defended and two interceptions. And now he's joining the Bucs, who through the first two weeks of free agency have made themselves relevant in the NFC South.

Of course, there are no trophies for offseason roster-stacking. Put another way: While adding warm bodies looks good in March, we'll know a lot more in September and October. Jenkins joins a secondary that includes Verner, Johnthan Banks, and safeties Dashon Goldson and Mark Barron.

This defense is rounding into form. The sting of losing Revis has healed a bit.

Jenkins should be a good slot corner around your starting CB's. Very reasonable price for solid depth.

 

[Premier]

Was Jenkins any better last year in Oakland? I imagine he will be the nickel/slot behind Verner and Banks.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Was Jenkins any better last year in Oakland? I imagine he will be the nickel/slot behind Verner and Banks.

that's exactly where he should be installed. He's ok, not good, not bad. A better player than the peanuts the Bucs are paying him. He's not a glaring weakness to be expolited, so your defense just got tougher to expose. he's a role player and will play his position well. Also Lovie's version of the tampa two should minimize his weaknesses.

 

[Premier]

Was Jenkins any better last year in Oakland? I imagine he will be the nickel/slot behind Verner and Banks.

that's exactly where he should be installed. He's ok, not good, not bad. A better player than the peanuts the Bucs are paying him. He's not a glaring weakness to be expolited, so your defense just got tougher to expose. he's a role player and will play his position well. Also Lovie's version of the tampa two should minimize his weaknesses.

Sounds good.

I wouldn't be shocked if this draft is all offense.

 

[Quez]

They had the worst offense in the league, and have done very little in FA to upgrade besides signing McCown. They HAVE to go very heavy on offense in this draft.

 

[Gargoylez]

They had the worst offense in the league, and have done very little in FA to upgrade besides signing McCown. They HAVE to go very heavy on offense in this draft.

I agree but Lovie has no love for young offensive talent, at least not qbs. I guess we dont have to worry about drafting one of these busts in the first. Id love if Mack fell...

 

[Premier]

@ChrisFischer07: #Bucs Mike Williams stabbed by his brother, in the thigh. @HCSOSheriff trying to locate brother for questioning.

So one way or the other we're gonna need another wideout.

 

[Quez]

Wow this is crazy. Hopefully it isn't bad.

 

[bucsbaby]

Bucs draft: WR, WR, WR, WR

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@ChrisFischer07: #Bucs Mike Williams stabbed by his brother, in the thigh. @HCSOSheriff trying to locate brother for questioning.

So one way or the other we're gonna need another wideout.

Holy ####

 

[Grahamburn]

Amazing how dumb this kid is. I guess he doesn't realize his contract isn't guaranteed?

 

[Quez]

This draft is pretty deep at WR, so they could be targeting a guy in round 2 or 3.

 

[Premier]

Sounds like Oakland isn't planning to take a QB at 5. One of the "big 3" (little 3?) will be there for us at 7 if they want it.

 

[Grahamburn]

Sounds like Oakland isn't planning to take a QB at 5. One of the "big 3" (little 3?) will be there for us at 7 if they want it.

The only guy I'd want is the one they won't take.

 

[Quez]

I don't know, Hou, Jax, and Cle. All need QB. So that's 3 right there without Oak.

 

[Premier]

Oh yea I think Cleveland passes on one too.

Unneeded disclaimer: I know nothing.

 

[Quez]

Will if the recent draft stock rumors are true, then the QBs will be dropping. It sounds like Clowney, Mack, Robinson, Watkins are going in the top 5.

 

[gump]

Bucs trade Zuttah to the Ravens for an undisclosed '15 pick.

 

[Gargoylez]

Lovie is not a young QB kind of guy... No one in the draft is head and shoulders above Glennon. Drafting a qb at 7 would be horrible imo. They go OT, LB or WR.

 

[Premier]

They have two good and young tackles in Collins and Dotson.

I could see drafting guard in round 2-3 but I would be stunned if they took a tackle, especially at 7.

 

[Grahamburn]

Will if the recent draft stock rumors are true, then the QBs will be dropping. It sounds like Clowney, Mack, Robinson, Watkins are going in the top 5.

Worst case scenario.

 

[Premier]

I love Bridgewater. If he falls to 7 I would be ecstatic. Hell I would be pleased if they went to 4 or 5 to get him.

 

[Grahamburn]

I love Bridgewater. If he falls to 7 I would be ecstatic. Hell I would be pleased if they went to 4 or 5 to get him.

I guess it isn't too horrible of a position to be in if they get the pick of the litter.

 

[Premier]

I love Bridgewater. If he falls to 7 I would be ecstatic. Hell I would be pleased if they went to 4 or 5 to get him.

I guess it isn't too horrible of a position to be in if they get the pick of the litter.

Yup. I like Bridgewater a lot, even to move up for him.

I like Carr but not at 7. If they went down to the teens for him I would be happy with that.

Don't like Bortles at all. Gonna bust IMO.

I do like Manziel but not for this staff or offense. Almost 0 chance he comes here I think.

 

[Premier]

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[Ministry of Pain]

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Them mu'#####as glow. Come on...

I refuse to wear those.

 

[Gargoylez]

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Them mu'#####as glow. Come on...

I refuse to wear those.

I second that, im looking into a local promo shop to get me some cool blank red jerseys, put names and numbers on them and sew the logos on. So i dont have to have the alarm clock arena team jersey.