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I just don't understand why Apple doesn't put a microSD slot, miniusb and hdmi port in these things. I will never buy one because of it. I guess I know why, you have to spend an extra $70 in accessories and $100 for a $13 flash chip. The genius of it is fanboys call this a "feature".
This seems like rational and unbiased posting. Welcome.
Could probably do without the 'fanboy' part, but let's ignore his point and focus on it instead. FWIW...the rest of it is spot on. Makes no sense to me as a consumer. Makes all the sense in the world for Apple as a revenue generator.
My comment was in reference to the one and the fanboy comments but yes I agree it's unfortunate they've not included those features. Of course, the pricing in his post is a bit absurd as well. Can get an HDMI out port, plus a card reader for about $30 total. The $100 for a $13 flash chip is a bit odd as well, unless he's talking about the upcharge from 16 to 32 and such... but every OEM has similar charges for capacity increases. :shrug:hen again, I don't want logic to get in the way of his overemtional rant. Carry on gsmayes. Work thyself into a lather. :thumbup:
I suspect his point is, at that price point, he shouldn't have to be buying "accessories" for iPad that are default to other products at the same price point.
 
I wasn't trying to start a battle. The only apple thing I own is an iPod nano from the generation right before they added a camera and FM (I think) to it.

At this point I'm seriously considering getting an iPad (not sure which version) and I'm trying to learn the pros/cons. The big problem is that generally speaking, I'm a value guy. My work schedule has me in hotels 4-7 nights per month and I'd want the iPad to allow me to watch stuff on the big screen while in bed. I don't want to necessarily hold the iPad to do so.

Wife and I are also taking a trip in August where we'll spend about 18 hours on a plane, so I'd like to have something for entertainment during that. The iPhoto/iMovie thing intruiges me as well since we have tons of pics and movies of the kids. I have friends that use nothing but Apple and swear by it...I just haven't really figured out the "why" yet.

If I have an iPad, and a Nano, and a windows-based home PC, are those things able to work together seamlessly sharing files and such or is that a pain?

 
I remember way back when the first ipad was announced...I thought what a dumb idea, who needs that, we have $300 netbooks, this thing is going to fail.I've resisted the tablet market altogether til now(somehow) but I think I'm jumping in here
I had the same questions, though I didn't think the idea was dumb, nor did I think it would fail. I still don't see the NEED for something like this with $300 netbooks and I'd suspect most folks don't buy iPads out of necessity. They're the trend now like Palm Pilots were back in the mid/late 90s.
 
I remember way back when the first ipad was announced...I thought what a dumb idea, who needs that, we have $300 netbooks, this thing is going to fail.I've resisted the tablet market altogether til now(somehow) but I think I'm jumping in here
I had the same questions, though I didn't think the idea was dumb, nor did I think it would fail. I still don't see the NEED for something like this with $300 netbooks and I'd suspect most folks don't buy iPads out of necessity. They're the trend now like Palm Pilots were back in the mid/late 90s.
I only bought one because my phone and laptop died on the same day and I wanted to get something to internet with in the meantime. Buying another laptop didn't really make sense to me with tablets out there.
 
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I remember way back when the first ipad was announced...I thought what a dumb idea, who needs that, we have $300 netbooks, this thing is going to fail.I've resisted the tablet market altogether til now(somehow) but I think I'm jumping in here
I had the same questions, though I didn't think the idea was dumb, nor did I think it would fail. I still don't see the NEED for something like this with $300 netbooks and I'd suspect most folks don't buy iPads out of necessity. They're the trend now like Palm Pilots were back in the mid/late 90s.
I only bought one because my phone and laptop died on the same day and I wanted to get something to internet with in the meantime. Buying another laptop didn't really make sense to me with tablets out there.
Did you look at a netbook?
 
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I remember way back when the first ipad was announced...I thought what a dumb idea, who needs that, we have $300 netbooks, this thing is going to fail.I've resisted the tablet market altogether til now(somehow) but I think I'm jumping in here
I had the same questions, though I didn't think the idea was dumb, nor did I think it would fail. I still don't see the NEED for something like this with $300 netbooks and I'd suspect most folks don't buy iPads out of necessity. They're the trend now like Palm Pilots were back in the mid/late 90s.
I only bought one because my phone and laptop died on the same day and I wanted to get something to internet with in the meantime. Buying another laptop didn't really make sense to me with tablets out there.
Did you look at a netbook?
Not really, no. I wanted something to carry everywhere in the house without damaging so my goal has been a tablet/desktop PC combination for a while. Breaking my laptop just accelerated the process. I wanted to wait a year or two on an Android tablet with good features to come cheap but the OS didn't feel ready and the price points were not low enough. I just wanted it for media consumption anyways.
 
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What TV panels even support Airplay at this point? I just got a Pioneer Receiver that does and it is real nice with this feature.

I will say that pushing 1080p content over airplay is just going to nuke bandwidth inside a home network. There will always be reasons to have cable connected hardware. Even if you have your content local to your ipad pushing that to your TV directly (lets not even get streaming in the mix here, yet) is going to be a real strain on the 2-Wire type systems people have more often nowadays.

Heck, one of the biggest complaints was lag on the original AppleTV just trying to push dvd quality streams over wifi (which is basically the same thing as airplay+ipad). I think the next appletv will support the gigabit routers, but those aren't really catching on for home use yet.

 
I remember way back when the first ipad was announced...I thought what a dumb idea, who needs that, we have $300 netbooks, this thing is going to fail.I've resisted the tablet market altogether til now(somehow) but I think I'm jumping in here
this is me
 
I wasn't trying to start a battle. The only apple thing I own is an iPod nano from the generation right before they added a camera and FM (I think) to it.

At this point I'm seriously considering getting an iPad (not sure which version) and I'm trying to learn the pros/cons. The big problem is that generally speaking, I'm a value guy. My work schedule has me in hotels 4-7 nights per month and I'd want the iPad to allow me to watch stuff on the big screen while in bed. I don't want to necessarily hold the iPad to do so.

Wife and I are also taking a trip in August where we'll spend about 18 hours on a plane, so I'd like to have something for entertainment during that. The iPhoto/iMovie thing intruiges me as well since we have tons of pics and movies of the kids. I have friends that use nothing but Apple and swear by it...I just haven't really figured out the "why" yet.

If I have an iPad, and a Nano, and a windows-based home PC, are those things able to work together seamlessly sharing files and such or is that a pain?
Yes - for the most part. Only downside is you will have to convert/obtain your video in a format playable on the ipad. Not a huge deal with some advance planning.I have had an ipad for 1.5 years now. To be honest I use it less then I used to. It is fantastic for travel, watching media etc as you describe. I used to use it a lot more for web browsing but find myself choosing the laptop more often then not now. Im a multiple browser window/multiple app at the same time guy - and its just too much of a pain with an ipad relative to a computer.

 
Also on the fence here. I've always used the latest iPhone. Currently have the 4S and it pretty much keeps me company when I travel. I travel for my job on planes 75% of the time. As long as there's a place to charge my iPhone in the airport, I have no problems watching a few hour movie or a classic baseball game or something of that nature. When I don't feel like watching TV, I have a good hundred books on my iPhone. I guess the only appeal for me is a bigger screen I suppose? I have good eyes, and can read easily on the iPhone, I don't know. I guess I never saw the point. I'll read through this thread and see if there's feature that would convince me otherwise I guess. I want one but not for any specific purpose, I guess, just to have one, which is a dumb move.

 
Also on the fence here. I've always used the latest iPhone. Currently have the 4S and it pretty much keeps me company when I travel. I travel for my job on planes 75% of the time. As long as there's a place to charge my iPhone in the airport, I have no problems watching a few hour movie or a classic baseball game or something of that nature. When I don't feel like watching TV, I have a good hundred books on my iPhone. I guess the only appeal for me is a bigger screen I suppose? I have good eyes, and can read easily on the iPhone, I don't know. I guess I never saw the point. I'll read through this thread and see if there's feature that would convince me otherwise I guess. I want one but not for any specific purpose, I guess, just to have one, which is a dumb move.
If I enjoyed reading and taking notes on my phone, I wouldn't buy an iPad. But as I continue to get older it's more difficult for me to comfortably read for an extended period of time on my phone. I also like to be online while I'm on the couch in the evening and having a laptop isn't as convenient as a handheld device. So for me the iPad solves both of these problems. Certainly not a necessity, but I think it will hit a sweet spot for me.
 
Also on the fence here. I've always used the latest iPhone. Currently have the 4S and it pretty much keeps me company when I travel. I travel for my job on planes 75% of the time. As long as there's a place to charge my iPhone in the airport, I have no problems watching a few hour movie or a classic baseball game or something of that nature. When I don't feel like watching TV, I have a good hundred books on my iPhone. I guess the only appeal for me is a bigger screen I suppose? I have good eyes, and can read easily on the iPhone, I don't know. I guess I never saw the point. I'll read through this thread and see if there's feature that would convince me otherwise I guess. I want one but not for any specific purpose, I guess, just to have one, which is a dumb move.
If I enjoyed reading and taking notes on my phone, I wouldn't buy an iPad. But as I continue to get older it's more difficult for me to comfortably read for an extended period of time on my phone. I also like to be online while I'm on the couch in the evening and having a laptop isn't as convenient as a handheld device. So for me the iPad solves both of these problems. Certainly not a necessity, but I think it will hit a sweet spot for me.
My biggest block is I don't read at all....
 
Does Airplay allow me to connect an iPad to the HDTV in my hotel room when I am traveling so I can enjoy a movie on a large screen?
Well i travel extensively and I rarely am in the room watching movies, however If you bring the wallet sized AppleTV box, then you get to enjoy the nice wireless experience of Airplay. That way you're not having to sit 6' away from the TV, or have to jump up off the bed every time you want to pause or rewind something. :shrug:If you're dead set on tethering your tablet to the TV via HDMI via physical cable then yes, you have to come off a whopping $28. :) If I had an iPad with retina display I'd likely rather watch the movie on that screen. Likely a much better picture than the in-room TV. :yes:That said... the MAJORITY of the "streaming" i do from my iphone or ipad is at home. Music, videos, etc... that thats much much better through airplay. I can have my iphone in my pocket, adjust playlists, songs from anywhere around the house. Cables are a dying breed. Old technology.
I love how every solution you offer is to buy something extra. Personally, I'm not too keen on spending $28 on something that I assume costs less than a dollar to make. And hey, if I'm going to spend $30 on a freaking cable, I might as well go with the AppleTV for $100.Apple makes good software, no doubt, but it's not worth the price premium they put on their hardware. I just don't get it, if they added these cheap features that don't really add to the cost much, it'd be by far the best tablet out there. Instead, they purposely cripple it for some people.
I think you're missing the point here. VERY few people use HDMI out to TV on their tablets. Apples Airplay is a MUCH better solution for the vast vast majority of people. It's integrated into a lot of home theater components now. My father just bought a denon amp that had airplay built in. Now he uses their iPad to control his home stereo system outside on their patio (zone 2) or inside (zone 1). Play music, watch TV, stream video, whatever. It's all one system and he loves it. THAT is what Apple is about. Apple pulled floppy drives and people flipped out saying "But people still use floppies!" Whatever. They died soon after and they still sold millions of iMacs. Apple refused to support flash because of the problems with it. PEople flipped out saying "You can't NOT support flash". Well not Adobe has abandoned Mobile flash and apple has sold hundreds of millions of iOS Devices. Flash is on it's deathbed. Apple DIdn't include Optical drive in Air, and is pulling it from MBP's soon. People will flip out saying "You CAN'T not have a CD drive". Bull####.They'll still sell millions of units and the CD will be dead soon. Apple doesn't include HDMI and instead provides super-easy wireless option that is light years ahead. A few of you guys are screaming "You CAN'T not have an HDMI output" Yet somehow they'll sell them by the dumpsterload and everything will continue to move toward wireless. IF you're dead set on doing things the old way (being tied to the TV with cables) then the iPad isn't for you. That's fine. But Apple has never been one to cling to old technology for the benefit of people who refuse to move on from legacy tech. Not now. Not ever. It certainly doesn't seem to be a problem to the vast majority of people. :thumbup:
 
I have no idea what airplay is and not sure I feel like looking it up.
If I understand it right it's a technology that lets you stream to your tv or other device.You need to buy AppleTV to stream videos to your tv currently. So to accomplish this you need to buy an AppleTV and IPAD. Music can be donw with other devices.It's much like streaming media from your pc to your xbox using windows media extender.I think
 
I have no idea what airplay is and not sure I feel like looking it up.
wireless streaming of audio/video/photos from your ios device
sounds cool.I do need to buy a new receiver. So, if I buy the right one, it will link up with my new ipad and/or iphone? That sounds pretty awesome. I see people in here complaining about having to buy added stuff though. Is there extra hardware needed?
 
I have no idea what airplay is and not sure I feel like looking it up.
Airplay is software in iOS. It streams content from iphone/ipad to the apple tv
I don't want an apple tv. Icon seems to say you can use it with other devices.EDIT: I caved and looked it up. So you need an AirPort Express? wtf. everything costs $100? jesus Apple loves to gouge people.
 
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I have no idea what airplay is and not sure I feel like looking it up.
wireless streaming of audio/video/photos from your ios device
sounds cool.I do need to buy a new receiver. So, if I buy the right one, it will link up with my new ipad and/or iphone? That sounds pretty awesome. I see people in here complaining about having to buy added stuff though. Is there extra hardware needed?
Unless it's changed you need to buy AppleTV for any pictures and video.Don't think any TV's have it yet. Some audio receivers support music through itunes/airplay
 
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I have no idea what airplay is and not sure I feel like looking it up.
wireless streaming of audio/video/photos from your ios device
sounds cool.I do need to buy a new receiver. So, if I buy the right one, it will link up with my new ipad and/or iphone? That sounds pretty awesome.

I see people in here complaining about having to buy added stuff though. Is there extra hardware needed?
You can either:Buy AppleTV ($99) : Which gives you netflix, pandora browser, Apps, etc in addition to streaming video/audio/etc via AirPlay. Similar to Roku, GoogleTV, etc but it's light years ahead with regards to integration if you've got other Apple Devices.

Buy a Airplay Enabled Receiver or like these Denon systems that have the tech built in. In addition there are iOS apps that give you full control of the denon receiver from anywhere. :thumbup:

 
Buy a Airplay Enabled Receiver or like these Denon systems that have the tech built in. In addition there are iOS apps that give you full control of the denon receiver from anywhere. :thumbup:
this is cool.I don't want an Apple TV. No way would that be worth $100 for me.

 
I have no idea what airplay is and not sure I feel like looking it up.
Airplay is software in iOS. It streams content from iphone/ipad to the apple tv
I don't want an apple tv. Icon seems to say you can use it with other devices.EDIT: I caved and looked it up. So you need an AirPort Express? wtf. everything costs $100? jesus Apple loves to gouge people.
:shrug:Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
 
Also on the fence here. I've always used the latest iPhone. Currently have the 4S and it pretty much keeps me company when I travel. I travel for my job on planes 75% of the time. As long as there's a place to charge my iPhone in the airport, I have no problems watching a few hour movie or a classic baseball game or something of that nature. When I don't feel like watching TV, I have a good hundred books on my iPhone. I guess the only appeal for me is a bigger screen I suppose? I have good eyes, and can read easily on the iPhone, I don't know. I guess I never saw the point. I'll read through this thread and see if there's feature that would convince me otherwise I guess. I want one but not for any specific purpose, I guess, just to have one, which is a dumb move.
If I enjoyed reading and taking notes on my phone, I wouldn't buy an iPad. But as I continue to get older it's more difficult for me to comfortably read for an extended period of time on my phone. I also like to be online while I'm on the couch in the evening and having a laptop isn't as convenient as a handheld device. So for me the iPad solves both of these problems. Certainly not a necessity, but I think it will hit a sweet spot for me.
My biggest block is I don't read at all....
So your secretary reads these posts for you? ;)
 
Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
 
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Also on the fence here. I've always used the latest iPhone. Currently have the 4S and it pretty much keeps me company when I travel. I travel for my job on planes 75% of the time. As long as there's a place to charge my iPhone in the airport, I have no problems watching a few hour movie or a classic baseball game or something of that nature. When I don't feel like watching TV, I have a good hundred books on my iPhone. I guess the only appeal for me is a bigger screen I suppose? I have good eyes, and can read easily on the iPhone, I don't know. I guess I never saw the point. I'll read through this thread and see if there's feature that would convince me otherwise I guess. I want one but not for any specific purpose, I guess, just to have one, which is a dumb move.
If I enjoyed reading and taking notes on my phone, I wouldn't buy an iPad. But as I continue to get older it's more difficult for me to comfortably read for an extended period of time on my phone. I also like to be online while I'm on the couch in the evening and having a laptop isn't as convenient as a handheld device. So for me the iPad solves both of these problems. Certainly not a necessity, but I think it will hit a sweet spot for me.
My biggest block is I don't read at all....
So your secretary reads these posts for you? ;)
I have accesibilty tools turned on, it drives my cube neighbors crazy
 
EDIT: I caved and looked it up. So you need an AirPort Express? wtf. everything costs $100? jesus Apple loves to gouge people.
I'm not sure $100 for a Wifi Hotspot / Audio Streaming hub is really gouging. There might be cheaper options out there (not sure if there are or not) but non that are on par functionality/integration wise. :shrug:And they can be had for $50 all day on ebay. :thumbup:
 
I went to Amazon and typed Apple TV into the search box. Only option I see there is $200.

I just got a Roku that does most of the same stuff for like $40 (and I don't even use that as I can stream netflix and other stuff through my new 3d blu-ray player, which also cost about $100).

 
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Apple tv is well worth it.

Dumb stuff like putting YouTube videos on your tv from your iPhone is great fun when you have people over.

I've had 5 iPhones in my house using my ATV taking turns showing videos.

 
Buy a Airplay Enabled Receiver or like these Denon systems that have the tech built in. In addition there are iOS apps that give you full control of the denon receiver from anywhere. :thumbup:
this is cool.I don't want an Apple TV. No way would that be worth $100 for me.
yep. I'll likely get rid of my appleTV when I upgrade my receiver this fall. My pop got a denon unit for $400 or so and it is SLICK. Not only is the sound fantastic (as you would expect from Denon) but the App + Airplay turns their iPad into the world's baddest remote control (in addition to being a great browsing/etc device) Anyways... point is: THIS is where it's all headed. The idea of being tethered to your TV with an HDMI cable is endangered. It's frankly silly when you have so many other great options out there to do things better.

 
I went to Amazon and typed Apple TV into the search box. Only option I see there is $200.I just got a Roku that does most of the same stuff for like $40 (and I don't even use that as I can stream netflix and other stuff through my new 3d blu-ray player, which also cost about $100).
It's 99 through Apple....
 
Apple tv is well worth it. Dumb stuff like putting YouTube videos on your tv from your iPhone is great fun when you have people over. I've had 5 iPhones in my house using my ATV taking turns showing videos.
my blu ray player has wi-fi and youtube, netflix, etc.it cost about $100 and it actually plays blu-ray discs. seems weird to pay $100 for this.
 
Anyways... point is: THIS is where it's all headed. The idea of being tethered to your TV with an HDMI cable is endangered. It's frankly silly when you have so many other great options out there to do things better.
I just searched on Amazon for receivers with Airplay as a feature and the only 3 I found were all Pioneer items.I agree. Wires suck.
 
I went to Amazon and typed Apple TV into the search box. Only option I see there is $200.

I just got a Roku that does most of the same stuff for like $40 (and I don't even use that as I can stream netflix and other stuff through my new 3d blu-ray player, which also cost about $100).
AppleTV is 99 bucks and supports 1080pHonestly though if you've already got a Roku then definitely don't need an ATV. (which you astutely knew).

if you're in the market for a Home Theater Receiver then strongly consider looking into Airplay Enabled ones. :thumbup:

 
Apple tv is well worth it. Dumb stuff like putting YouTube videos on your tv from your iPhone is great fun when you have people over. I've had 5 iPhones in my house using my ATV taking turns showing videos.
my blu ray player has wi-fi and youtube, netflix, etc.it cost about $100 and it actually plays blu-ray discs. seems weird to pay $100 for this.
Many things do YouTube my wii even my direc tv. But with ATV I can use my iPhone or iPad to search so much better then using a remote. Also like being able to show pics with it stream my videos from my iPhone to it.
 
Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
Apple TV is cool if you're running macbooks/imacs & iOS stuff. A waste if not.
Agreed. If you don't have iOS devices or don't have a ton of media hosted on iTunes on your home's media server, then a Roku is definitely the way to go.
 
Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
I believe you ordered the 32 GB ipad yes? So you paid $99 for a mere 16GB extra in storage space. No features at all, just storage space.Apple TV is a bargain compared to that.
 
Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
Apple TV is cool if you're running macbooks/imacs & iOS stuff. A waste if not.
Agreed. If you don't have iOS devices or don't have a ton of media hosted on iTunes on your home's media server, then a Roku is definitely the way to go.
I honestly don't care much about this stuff (streaming youtube, etc etc to my tv) but curiousfor any ripped movies on my home pc could I stream through apple tv? Assuming it needs to be converted?There is a reason I bought a 27in monitor for my pc :P
 
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Not an iPad question, but is the Apple TV upgrade a hardware upgrade or a software upgrade? I already have an Apple TV, am I going to have to buy a new one to get the new features?

 
Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
Apple TV is cool if you're running macbooks/imacs & iOS stuff. A waste if not.
Agreed. If you don't have iOS devices or don't have a ton of media hosted on iTunes on your home's media server, then a Roku is definitely the way to go.
I honestly don't care much about this stuff (streaming youtube, etc etc to my tv) but curiousfor any ripped movies on my home pc could I stream through apple tv? Assuming it needs to be converted?There is a reason I bout a 27in monitor for my pc :P
I stream movies directly from iTunes on my iMac. These are movies I have ripped to my iMac using handbrake.
 
Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
I believe you ordered the 32 GB ipad yes? So you paid $99 for a mere 16GB extra in storage space. No features at all, just storage space.Apple TV is a bargain compared to that.
well, that's to improve the functionality of a $500 ipad that I plan to use for the next 3+ years.I don't see how the apple tv would really get much use for me. I already have several devices that do basically the same thing. I don't own an apple computer and don't think I ever will. I just have an iphone and will have an ipad. That's about the extent of my apple ownership.
 
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Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
Apple TV is cool if you're running macbooks/imacs & iOS stuff. A waste if not.
Agreed. If you don't have iOS devices or don't have a ton of media hosted on iTunes on your home's media server, then a Roku is definitely the way to go.
I honestly don't care much about this stuff (streaming youtube, etc etc to my tv) but curiousfor any ripped movies on my home pc could I stream through apple tv? Assuming it needs to be converted?There is a reason I bout a 27in monitor for my pc :P
I stream movies directly from iTunes on my iMac. These are movies I have ripped to my iMac using handbrake.
Sorry should have mentioned windows pc - but not in wmv format. I forget what format that I ripped tooJust curious - as I'm teetering :)
 
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Its $99 . You probably drop that amount of singles at gentlemans clubs during your FBG pow wow's in vegas.
I guess. Just seems like a ripoff, although I feel that way about most things apple. Yet here I am.
I believe you ordered the 32 GB ipad yes? So you paid $99 for a mere 16GB extra in storage space. No features at all, just storage space.Apple TV is a bargain compared to that.
well, that's to improve the functionality of a $500 ipad that I plan to use for the next 3+ years.I don't see how the apple tv would really get much use for me. I already have several devices that do basically the same thing. I don't own an apple computer and don't think I ever will. I just have an iphone and will have an ipad. That's about the extent of my apple ownership.
yeah if you're not looking to dive fully into the ecosystem then no sense in getting ATV. Just grab a APlay enabled receiver and call it a day. Hell there are a bunch of older denon receivers that offer free AP upgrades over your network.I'm an Amazon Prime Junkie as well. Here's the http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004U403XQ/ref=asc_df_B004U403XQ1929666?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B004U403XQ my pop got for $550.

 
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