Irving, Texas student arrested and suspended for making a clock (3 Viewers)

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I haven't seen anything in any of the reporting about him plugging it in. Can you please link?

I'm sorry...maybe GOD himself powered the clock...causing it to beep during class.This kid is well on his way to sainthood. He only needs two more miracles.

Instead of busting my balls...how about you tell me what you think happened here?

Is the kid the second coming if Tesla and found another way to power this thing?

You see that blue thing on the lower left with two metal rings protruding from it? That is where a standard 9v battery would get attached.

 

[bigbottom]

Nk...hmmm...what can we agree on then?

Are you saying you're willing to believe this kid over the school admin?

Based on what? You honestly feel this kid is on the level? He simply wanted to invent a clock (by simply putting it in a metal case...nothing more) and impressing his teachers? He showed the teacher in question...so why did he keep going? All an accident? He plugged it in during class by mistake?

Explain where you are on this and hopefully I can understand where you're coming from...Yes, because they overreacted and called in the police, got him handcuffed and arrested when they thought they had a young Muslim terrorist, or terrorist wannabe. To justify their overreaction they have been spinning it to make him look as bad as possible. I have seen interviews with the kid (when this first happened) and his account rang true to me.

Re: the bolded, I haven't heard any statements from the school on the topic regarding details of the incident. Perhaps I just missed them. Do you have a link?

 

[tdoss]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that? All I can find is him saying he built the clock.

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

You buy a clock...plug it in.See how long it goes before an alarm starts beeping.

I have an alarm go off when I don't want it to once or twice a month just because I had previously forgotten to cancel it.

Which changes what I said how?

He programmed it.

Should I have said "he forgot to cancel the alarm he programmed before it disrupted class"?

Does that really somehow make it better...fine. He forgot to cancel the alarm that he programmed to go off during class.

 

[tdoss]

Yes, because they overreacted and called in the police, got him handcuffed and arrested when they thought they had a young Muslim terrorist, or terrorist wannabe. To justify their overreaction they have been spinning it to make him look as bad as possible. I have seen interviews with the kid (when this first happened) and his account rang true to me.

And that hasn't been shaken in the least? Even in light of BB's well thought out bullet point list?

 

[Chadstroma]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He's referred to the device as his "invention."

Well then it shouldn't be hard for tdoss to provide that link.

 

[bigbottom]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that?

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

He's referred to the device as his "invention."

That's typically how alarm clocks work, though it's unclear here why the alarm went off during class.

Magic.

Btw, this is quickly becoming the dumbest thread in the FFA. Good job boys!

Not sure why it's dumb. I find this to be a genuine mystery. Was this a staged event, a racist and discriminatory overreaction to an wholly innocent situation, or something in between? The details that have been revealed have only deepened the mystery. I'm legitimately curious.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It is annoying in determining the truth that the school can't release more information.

 

[tdoss]

I haven't seen anything in any of the reporting about him plugging it in. Can you please link?

I'm sorry...maybe GOD himself powered the clock...causing it to beep during class.This kid is well on his way to sainthood. He only needs two more miracles.

Instead of busting my balls...how about you tell me what you think happened here?

Is the kid the second coming if Tesla and found another way to power this thing?

You see that blue thing on the lower left with two metal rings protruding from it? That is where a standard 9v battery would get attached.

I've stated battery a number of times. He either plugged it in or attached a battery.

Bottom line he powered it up during a class that another teacher already warned him about...

And I find it strange they'd film everything about this thing except the battery. Maybe that's what's in the mystery bag?

 

[tdoss]

No.

Ok...hmmm...what can we agree on then?

Are you saying you're willing to believe this kid over the school admin?

Based on what? You honestly feel this kid is on the level? He simply wanted to invent a clock (by simply putting it in a metal case...nothing more) and impressing his teachers? He showed the teacher in question...so why did he keep going? All an accident? He plugged it in during class by mistake?

Explain where you are on this and hopefully I can understand where you're coming from...

Yes, because they overreacted and called in the police, got him handcuffed and arrested when they thought they had a young Muslim terrorist, or terrorist wannabe. To justify their overreaction they have been spinning it to make him look as bad as possible. I have seen interviews with the kid (when this first happened) and his account rang true to me.

Re: the bolded, I haven't heard any statements from the school on the topic regarding details of the incident. Perhaps I just missed them. Do you have a link?

Uh oh...Biggie hit them with the link request.

This could get messy.

 

[bigbottom]

He's referred to the device as his "invention."

Well then it shouldn't be hard for tdoss to provide that link.

This isn't really a controversial point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11872942/Ahmed-Mohamed-after-clock-bomb-arrest-This-wont-be-my-last-invention.html

Video: ". . . . took my tablet and my invention" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE&t=0m30s

 

[Hov34]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that?

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

He's referred to the device as his "invention."

That's typically how alarm clocks work, though it's unclear here why the alarm went off during class.

Magic.

Btw, this is quickly becoming the dumbest thread in the FFA. Good job boys!

Not sure why it's dumb. I find this to be a genuine mystery. Was this a staged event, a racist and discriminatory overreaction to an wholly innocent situation, or something in between? The details that have been revealed have only deepened the mystery. I'm legitimately curious.

I am too, and appreciate the well thought out posts (like yours) and the genuine intrigue. But, as usually the trolling is turning this one south.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Best case scenario I can construct for this kid, and I grant this is wholly from my imagination, is as follows. The kid wanted to be a prankster and disrupt, in a way he perceived as silly, a class. He decides it will be funny if he can get an alarm clock into a class and maybe have it programed to beep a few times every ten minutes or so. He knows that if a teacher sees a clock that teacher will be on to it in no time. A teacher seeing a pencil case when they are looking for a clock, well maybe that goes unnoticed for a while, particularly if the plug is on a cluttered shelf. Mr. prankster disassembles the clock and puts it in a pencil case as per plan. He plugs it in and it goes off. Questions naturally arise. He hopes to play dumb. Assumptions are made then, in the vacuum of him remaining silent, about a bomb hoax. Those presumptions are not wildly out of line given the evidence. The kid is now confronted with something beyond his imagining. He was maybe prepared to get busted for making a beeping noise during class, but not for a bomb hoax. Scared, he clams up even tighter forcing authorities to press harder for info. The misunderstanding grows to where we are now.

Now me, personally, I tend to view this more or less exactly along the lines of the eminently reasonable Bigbottom. The foregoing was just a flight of fancy, an exercise in perception, my view, perhaps, on how a defense attorney might approach things.

Looking into the future I do not see the kid or his family making a court case out of this matter. If they did the information which is now sealed or protected would come out. I suspect he does not want that. I expect the authorities would love nothing more than to expound on the matter. I think this little pisser loves having the podium all to himself and to his supporters knowing that rebuttal by facts is not coming so long as he does not open the door to such.

Oh, I do think his ethnicity and perceived religion was a factor in how this evolved. I do not think it the definitive factor, or even the most important factor, but it is a factor, likely.

 

[bigbottom]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He's referred to the device as his "invention."

Well then it shouldn't be hard for tdoss to provide that link.

This isn't really a controversial point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11872942/Ahmed-Mohamed-after-clock-bomb-arrest-This-wont-be-my-last-invention.html

Video: ". . . . took my tablet and my invention" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE&t=0m30s

Ok then. I definitely agree that kid shouldn't be calling a clock he built with the circuit board from a Radio Shack clock his "invention".

 

[El Floppo]

my understanding is this...

kid likes to make crap out of electronics. calls the things he makes "inventions"... doesn't matter whether he invented something or not.

brought a suitcase with an invention that tells time digitally to school.

shows invention to 1st period teacher who is also science guy. science guy tells him to not show the invention to any other teachers.

next class, the invention starts beeping or otherwise making noise. next teacher asks him what it is and to show it- it's a clock, here ya go.

I find it entirely possible that after first period, he didn't take the battery out and just left the invention in his bag.

I find it entirely possible the kid reassembled parts a clock and hadn't considered that it would beep- or how to readjust the timer. I find that more likely than him programming the invention to beep during second period... if the latter is true- the kid's a bit of a ####.

just so I'm clear why this has hit 18 pages.... what's the fundamental talking point here? because it can't be about why or when something beeps or what his definition of an invention is? or I guess it can, this being the FFA and some of the inanity that accompanies it.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I know this, if the kid and his parents were interested in a truth seeking process regarding this matter they would agree to release all reports and records. They have not. yes, the law gives them the right to privacy, but it also allows them the right to not exercise that right.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I know this, if the kid and his parents were interested in a truth seeking process regarding this matter they would agree to release all reports and records. They have not. yes, the law gives them the right to privacy, but it also allows them the right to not exercise that right.

Would you release all of your kid's records just to satisfy the curiosity of the public about something?

 

[Harry Manback]

Shouldn't this "race baiting" event by the family be considered the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater?

Which race baiting part are you referring to? The part where they somehow knew in advance that the English teacher would find the clock? Or the part where they somehow knew in advance that the school would call the police? Or the part where they somehow knew in advance that the police would arrest him? Or the part where they somehow knew in advance that the media would pick up the story? Or something else.

Find it? From what I understand he showed it to his engineering teacher, who advised he keep it in his bag.

He then proceeded to show it to any teacher he could find.

no

Who cares about facts. They have spidey senses.

You're right, the facts are even worse.

He "accidentally' programmed the alarm to go off in the middle of class prompting his teacher to ask what it was. Did he plug it in? Did it have a backup battery? Why did he set the alarm for midday, and why did he turn it on in the first place after being told to put it away? Boy genius accidentally sets alarm clock?

 

[bigbottom]

I know this, if the kid and his parents were interested in a truth seeking process regarding this matter they would agree to release all reports and records. They have not. yes, the law gives them the right to privacy, but it also allows them the right to not exercise that right.

I think it's safe to say that the family is going for maximum exposure on this story. The kid released a video of his side to the story the very next day after the incident. He has been on numerous talk shows, sat for multiple interviews, and has been tweeting pictures of the swag he's received, the events he's attended, and his trip to see a lawyer. Now, the family has every right not to allow the school to disclose its records or reveal details of the incident. But their decision to do so cannot believably be premised on the family's desire for privacy regarding the incident in question.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I know this, if the kid and his parents were interested in a truth seeking process regarding this matter they would agree to release all reports and records. They have not. yes, the law gives them the right to privacy, but it also allows them the right to not exercise that right.

Would you release all of your kid's records just to satisfy the curiosity of the public about something?

No, absolutely not.

What I would do is authorize release of the limited relevant records pertaining to a specific incident if I was advocating a particular political interpretation of events and I wanted to prove I had nothing to hide.

To satisfy public curiosity when I had sought to remain private, no.

Do you believe your question is a reflection of the current scenario, or is it an inaccurate construct to score a point, an off topic and meaningless point, in a debate?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

my understanding is this...

kid likes to make crap out of electronics. calls the things he makes "inventions"... doesn't matter whether he invented something or not.

brought a suitcase with an invention that tells time digitally to school.

shows invention to 1st period teacher who is also science guy. science guy tells him to not show the invention to any other teachers.

next class, the invention starts beeping or otherwise making noise. next teacher asks him what it is and to show it- it's a clock, here ya go.

I find it entirely possible that after first period, he didn't take the battery out and just left the invention in his bag.

I find it entirely possible the kid reassembled parts a clock and hadn't considered that it would beep- or how to readjust the timer. I find that more likely than him programming the invention to beep during second period... if the latter is true- the kid's a bit of a ####.

just so I'm clear why this has hit 18 pages.... what's the fundamental talking point here? because it can't be about why or when something beeps or what his definition of an invention is? or I guess it can, this being the FFA and some of the inanity that accompanies it.

The crux is:

The kid's actions were nefarious in one way or another. He made his "invention" to look somewhat like a bomb in order to cause a stir or perpetrate a "hoax". Therefore his suspension/arrest etc was justified.

OR

The kid is a typical 14 year old goofball that really did nothing more that bring his half-assed "invention" to school because he thought it was nifty. School officials overreact because the "clock" somehow, might be mistaken for a "bomb". (and some are saying that the school officials and/or cops reacted this way because the kid is dark and a muslim).

WALA, GIANT THREAD

 

[El Floppo]

yeah. oof.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

yeah. oof.

Oh and now we have people proposing the theory that this was all orchestrated by the kid's family in order to make some point about Islamaphobia or something like that.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I know this, if the kid and his parents were interested in a truth seeking process regarding this matter they would agree to release all reports and records. They have not. yes, the law gives them the right to privacy, but it also allows them the right to not exercise that right.

Would you release all of your kid's records just to satisfy the curiosity of the public about something?

No, absolutely not.What I would do is authorize release of the limited relevant records pertaining to a specific incident if I was advocating a particular political interpretation of events and I wanted to prove I had nothing to hide.

To satisfy public curiosity when I had sought to remain private, no.

Do you believe your question is a reflection of the current scenario, or is it an inaccurate construct to score a point, an off topic and meaningless point, in a debate?

I'm just saying I would tell anyone that wanted me to release any of my child's records to the public to pound sand. Period, the end.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

my understanding is this...

kid likes to make crap out of electronics. calls the things he makes "inventions"... doesn't matter whether he invented something or not.

brought a suitcase with an invention that tells time digitally to school.

shows invention to 1st period teacher who is also science guy. science guy tells him to not show the invention to any other teachers.

next class, the invention starts beeping or otherwise making noise. next teacher asks him what it is and to show it- it's a clock, here ya go.

I find it entirely possible that after first period, he didn't take the battery out and just left the invention in his bag.

I find it entirely possible the kid reassembled parts a clock and hadn't considered that it would beep- or how to readjust the timer. I find that more likely than him programming the invention to beep during second period... if the latter is true- the kid's a bit of a ####.

just so I'm clear why this has hit 18 pages.... what's the fundamental talking point here? because it can't be about why or when something beeps or what his definition of an invention is? or I guess it can, this being the FFA and some of the inanity that accompanies it.

The crux is:

The kid's actions were nefarious in one way or another. He made his "invention" to look somewhat like a bomb in order to cause a stir or perpetrate a "hoax". Therefore his suspension/arrest etc was justified.

OR

The kid is a typical 14 year old goofball that really did nothing more that bring his half-assed "invention" to school because he thought it was nifty. School officials overreact because the "clock" somehow, might be mistaken for a "bomb". (and some are saying that the school officials and/or cops reacted this way because the kid is dark and a muslim).

WALA, GIANT THREAD

You are as good a person to ask as any. I frequently see "wala" or "wallah" written out on this board. Is this a purposeful and well recognized bit of shtick on this board that I have just missed, or is it that folks have no idea how to spell "voila`" so they take a poke and let it go at that?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

yeah. oof.

Oh and now we have people proposing the theory that this was all orchestrated by the kid's family in order to make some point about Islamaphobia or something like that.

Oh AND this story gets stranger and stranger every day. I'm willing to admit that I have no idea what the hell really happened.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

my understanding is this...

kid likes to make crap out of electronics. calls the things he makes "inventions"... doesn't matter whether he invented something or not.

brought a suitcase with an invention that tells time digitally to school.

shows invention to 1st period teacher who is also science guy. science guy tells him to not show the invention to any other teachers.

next class, the invention starts beeping or otherwise making noise. next teacher asks him what it is and to show it- it's a clock, here ya go.

I find it entirely possible that after first period, he didn't take the battery out and just left the invention in his bag.

I find it entirely possible the kid reassembled parts a clock and hadn't considered that it would beep- or how to readjust the timer. I find that more likely than him programming the invention to beep during second period... if the latter is true- the kid's a bit of a ####.

just so I'm clear why this has hit 18 pages.... what's the fundamental talking point here? because it can't be about why or when something beeps or what his definition of an invention is? or I guess it can, this being the FFA and some of the inanity that accompanies it.

The crux is:

The kid's actions were nefarious in one way or another. He made his "invention" to look somewhat like a bomb in order to cause a stir or perpetrate a "hoax". Therefore his suspension/arrest etc was justified.

OR

The kid is a typical 14 year old goofball that really did nothing more that bring his half-assed "invention" to school because he thought it was nifty. School officials overreact because the "clock" somehow, might be mistaken for a "bomb". (and some are saying that the school officials and/or cops reacted this way because the kid is dark and a muslim).

WALA, GIANT THREAD

You are as good a person to ask as any. I frequently see "wala" or "wallah" written out on this board. Is this a purposeful and well recognized bit of shtick on this board that I have just missed, or is it that folks have no idea how to spell "voila`" so they take a poke and let it go at that?

Arapahoe of nothing.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

my understanding is this...

kid likes to make crap out of electronics. calls the things he makes "inventions"... doesn't matter whether he invented something or not.

brought a suitcase with an invention that tells time digitally to school.

shows invention to 1st period teacher who is also science guy. science guy tells him to not show the invention to any other teachers.

next class, the invention starts beeping or otherwise making noise. next teacher asks him what it is and to show it- it's a clock, here ya go.

I find it entirely possible that after first period, he didn't take the battery out and just left the invention in his bag.

I find it entirely possible the kid reassembled parts a clock and hadn't considered that it would beep- or how to readjust the timer. I find that more likely than him programming the invention to beep during second period... if the latter is true- the kid's a bit of a ####.

just so I'm clear why this has hit 18 pages.... what's the fundamental talking point here? because it can't be about why or when something beeps or what his definition of an invention is? or I guess it can, this being the FFA and some of the inanity that accompanies it.

The crux is:

The kid's actions were nefarious in one way or another. He made his "invention" to look somewhat like a bomb in order to cause a stir or perpetrate a "hoax". Therefore his suspension/arrest etc was justified.

OR

The kid is a typical 14 year old goofball that really did nothing more that bring his half-assed "invention" to school because he thought it was nifty. School officials overreact because the "clock" somehow, might be mistaken for a "bomb". (and some are saying that the school officials and/or cops reacted this way because the kid is dark and a muslim).

WALA, GIANT THREAD

You are as good a person to ask as any. I frequently see "wala" or "wallah" written out on this board. Is this a purposeful and well recognized bit of shtick on this board that I have just missed, or is it that folks have no idea how to spell "voila`" so they take a poke and let it go at that?

Arapahoe of nothing.

Very good. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[jonessed]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that? All I can find is him saying he built the clock.

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

You buy a clock...plug it in.See how long it goes before an alarm starts beeping.

I have an alarm go off when I don't want it to once or twice a month just because I had previously forgotten to cancel it.

Without power?

 

[El Floppo]

my understanding is this...

kid likes to make crap out of electronics. calls the things he makes "inventions"... doesn't matter whether he invented something or not.

brought a suitcase with an invention that tells time digitally to school.

shows invention to 1st period teacher who is also science guy. science guy tells him to not show the invention to any other teachers.

next class, the invention starts beeping or otherwise making noise. next teacher asks him what it is and to show it- it's a clock, here ya go.

I find it entirely possible that after first period, he didn't take the battery out and just left the invention in his bag.

I find it entirely possible the kid reassembled parts a clock and hadn't considered that it would beep- or how to readjust the timer. I find that more likely than him programming the invention to beep during second period... if the latter is true- the kid's a bit of a ####.

just so I'm clear why this has hit 18 pages.... what's the fundamental talking point here? because it can't be about why or when something beeps or what his definition of an invention is? or I guess it can, this being the FFA and some of the inanity that accompanies it.

The crux is:

The kid's actions were nefarious in one way or another. He made his "invention" to look somewhat like a bomb in order to cause a stir or perpetrate a "hoax". Therefore his suspension/arrest etc was justified.

OR

The kid is a typical 14 year old goofball that really did nothing more that bring his half-assed "invention" to school because he thought it was nifty. School officials overreact because the "clock" somehow, might be mistaken for a "bomb". (and some are saying that the school officials and/or cops reacted this way because the kid is dark and a muslim).

WALA, GIANT THREAD

You are as good a person to ask as any. I frequently see "wala" or "wallah" written out on this board. Is this a purposeful and well recognized bit of shtick on this board that I have just missed, or is it that folks have no idea how to spell "voila`" so they take a poke and let it go at that?

Arapahoe of nothing.

half of one, six dozen of the other IMO.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Wait, the Arapahoe are involved in this? That changes things.

 

[Sweet J]

OPM and DW win the last 30 minutes of this thread.

 

[Chadstroma]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?

In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

 

[avoiding injuries]

Poor choices on both sides, but it seems like the kid brought this upon himself and is now taking full advantage of the situation. My only question is whether it was intentional.

 

[bigbottom]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?

In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

 

[Harry Manback]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?

In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

Are you confused why bringing a bomb like device to school is an issue?

If I painted an airsoft gun "gun metal gray" and brought it to an airport/courthouse, is that a problem?

 

[parasaurolophus]

yeah. oof.

Oh and now we have people proposing the theory that this was all orchestrated by the kid's family in order to make some point about Islamaphobia being attention whores or something like that.

fixed

 

[Chadstroma]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?

In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

Ok....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock as something cool and brings it in to show people. To people, it looks bombish.....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock to intentionally make it look bombish. To people, it looks bombish....

If something looks bombish- what are the teachers/administrators suppose to do? Correct me if I am wrong isn't the whole issue about how the teachers/administrators reacted?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

Ok....So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock as something cool and brings it in to show people. To people, it looks bombish.....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock to intentionally make it look bombish. To people, it looks bombish....

If something looks bombish- what are the teachers/administrators suppose to do? Correct me if I am wrong isn't the whole issue about how the teachers/administrators reacted?

No, it's what happened after they determined that the thing he said was a clock was indeed a clock. They had already reached that determination when he was taken down to the police station in handcuffs.

 

[Chadstroma]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

Ok....So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock as something cool and brings it in to show people. To people, it looks bombish.....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock to intentionally make it look bombish. To people, it looks bombish....

If something looks bombish- what are the teachers/administrators suppose to do? Correct me if I am wrong isn't the whole issue about how the teachers/administrators reacted?

No, it's what happened after they determined that the thing he said was a clock was indeed a clock. They had already reached that determination when he was taken down to the police station in handcuffs.

So, it is not racism that is the problem but the 'zero tolerance' policy's school's have these days?

 

[tdoss]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

Ok....So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock as something cool and brings it in to show people. To people, it looks bombish.....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock to intentionally make it look bombish. To people, it looks bombish....

If something looks bombish- what are the teachers/administrators suppose to do? Correct me if I am wrong isn't the whole issue about how the teachers/administrators reacted?

No, it's what happened after they determined that the thing he said was a clock was indeed a clock. They had already reached that determination when he was taken down to the police station in handcuffs.

So, it is not racism that is the problem but the 'zero tolerance' policy's school's have these days?

You're gonna upset Pete with this line of thinking.

 

[chauncey]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that? All I can find is him saying he built the clock.

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

Ahmed: um the teacher, the clock in fact was plugged in during the classroom, so it didn't go off in my backpack, it was plugged in, and i set a timer on there and i showed a student next to me, and uh, it went off, and the teacher looked around and said "what was that noise", and i just unplugged it immediately

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=801_1443042484

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

Ok....So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock as something cool and brings it in to show people. To people, it looks bombish.....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock to intentionally make it look bombish. To people, it looks bombish....

If something looks bombish- what are the teachers/administrators suppose to do? Correct me if I am wrong isn't the whole issue about how the teachers/administrators reacted?

No, it's what happened after they determined that the thing he said was a clock was indeed a clock. They had already reached that determination when he was taken down to the police station in handcuffs.

So, it is not racism that is the problem but the 'zero tolerance' policy's school's have these days?

Zero tolerance of what? Clocks?

 

[chauncey]

Nobody is splitting hairs here. Answer the question or stop saying they had a "zero tolerance policy".

My bad..."hoax bomb threat policy"...we good here or just wanna keep up the subversion?

They actually have those words in their list of school policies?

You tell me Pete. What's your school do with bomb hoaxes? Want to get into how your school "words it"?

We gonna play semantics over my definition of the word "is" next?

Always a verbal shell game with you.

Never a conversation or possibility of discourse...just hair splitting and nitpicking dumb siht.

Wait, the kid brought it to school and told everyone it was a clock and he gets suspended for a bomb hoax/ bomb threat? How is that Zero tolerance based on a policy and not bigotry? Kid didn't fake a bomb nor did he ever insinuate that it was a bomb.

Can't tell if you are trolling or just mentally challenged.

 

[chauncey]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed but if the kid goes to the White House and brings the clock.... is the Secret Service going to inspect it or let him just walk in with it to the President?

I'm sure they will inspect it. I don't think anyone here is taking issue with the school's decision to inspect Ahmed's device.

So, there is a concession that although it is not a bomb it could be construed as a bomb looking like device?In a concise explanation- what is the exact issue?

There are several issues, but the most prominent appears to be whether the clock looking "bombish" was intentional or accidental.

Ok....So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock as something cool and brings it in to show people. To people, it looks bombish.....

So, the kid makes or dismantles a clock to intentionally make it look bombish. To people, it looks bombish....

If something looks bombish- what are the teachers/administrators suppose to do? Correct me if I am wrong isn't the whole issue about how the teachers/administrators reacted?

No, it's what happened after they determined that the thing he said was a clock was indeed a clock. They had already reached that determination when he was taken down to the police station in handcuffs.

So, it is not racism that is the problem but the 'zero tolerance' policy's school's have these days?

Zero tolerance against what? Clocks?

FAKE ENGINEERS!!!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that? All I can find is him saying he built the clock.

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

Ahmed: um the teacher, the clock in fact was plugged in during the classroom, so it didn't go off in my backpack, it was plugged in, and i set a timer on there and i showed a student next to me, and uh, it went off, and the teacher looked around and said "what was that noise", and i just unplugged it immediately

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=801_1443042484

Wasn't aware of this little nugget. Could have saved us a lot time today.

At this point I'm willing to say that I have no problem with the kid being suspended. Still not on board with the police taking him to the station or threatening to charge him with a bomb hoax.

 

[El Floppo]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that? All I can find is him saying he built the clock.

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

Ahmed: um the teacher, the clock in fact was plugged in during the classroom, so it didn't go off in my backpack, it was plugged in, and i set a timer on there and i showed a student next to me, and uh, it went off, and the teacher looked around and said "what was that noise", and i just unplugged it immediately

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=801_1443042484

Wasn't aware of this little nugget. Could have saved us a lot time today.

At this point I'm willing to say that I have no problem with the kid being suspended. Still not on board with the police taking him to the station or threatening to charge him with a bomb hoax.

agreed.

this kid sounds like a really smart dip####.

 

[Hang 10]

At best he's a troll, at worst he's ISIS.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So he lied about inventing the clock.

Can you link a quote of him saying that? All I can find is him saying he built the clock.

He programs it to beep during class.

What are you basing this assertion on?

Ahmed: um the teacher, the clock in fact was plugged in during the classroom, so it didn't go off in my backpack, it was plugged in, and i set a timer on there and i showed a student next to me, and uh, it went off, and the teacher looked around and said "what was that noise", and i just unplugged it immediatelyhttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=801_1443042484

Impossible. No way this innocent little Thomas Edison intentionally disrupted class.