Is C.Palmer that good or is Green Bay that bad? (1 Viewer)

[Paprika]

Let me start out by saying I am a Cinci homer. And I was thrilled to see C.Palmer look good last night. But, the question on my mind is Palmer that good (when you consider his njury) or is Green Bay that bad?

I still would not take Palmer very high (I rode him to the championship last year) Last night was great. But, the fact of the matter is Plamer still has a serious injury and my grandmother could have ripped apart the GB defense last night.

For the record I have moved Palmer up to #6 behind

1/ P.Manning

2/ T.Brady

3/ M.Hasselback

4/ D.Mcnabb

5/ E.Manning

As much as I love the guy. There is just too much value to waste a high pick on a player that comes with such high risk.

Am I off base on this?

 

[Godsbrother]

Let me start out by saying I am a Cinci homer. And I was thrilled to see C.Palmer look good last night. But, the question on my mind is Palmer that good (when you consider his njury) or is Green Bay that bad?I still would not take Palmer very high (I rode him to the championship last year) Last night was great. But, the fact of the matter is Plamer still has a serious injury and my grandmother could have ripped apart the GB defense last night.For the record I have moved Palmer up to #6 behind 1/ P.Manning2/ T.Brady3/ M.Hasselback4/ D.Mcnabb5/ E.ManningAs much as I love the guy. There is just too much value to waste a high pick on a player that comes with such high risk.Am I off base on this?

Palmer looked great, I think he is back. But remember that Green Bay isn't all that good and it was preseason where defenses typically don't game plan against opponents.Still, I don't think any QB could have looked much better than Palmer did last night. I think Palmer should be bumped ahead of McNabb.

 

[redman]

The answer is "yes."

 

[JuniorNB]

Didn't Favre say that, talent wise, this is the best team he's ever been on?

 

[Davej626]

To see the answer here all you needed to do last night was watch the first five minutes. Cincinnati up by ten and GB had two turnovers. Turn out the light, the game is over.

 

[reg]

all of the above.

 

[massraider]

We weren't looking to see if he could pass against a good pass defense.

We already know he can do that.

We were looking to see if his knee is sound, and if he thinks his knee is sound. It is, and I think he does.

I know it is the nature of FF fans to look for any qualifier, or possible negative cloud, but the guy did everything except leg press Levi Jones out there.

 

[Warpig]

Green Bay is gonna be atrocious this year. Favre should have backed out gracefully. It's gonna be a long year.

That GB O-line was horrid. Sam Adams was a monster...was deep in the backfield every play. If he were a little faster he would have had a bunch of tackles for loss. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed. The CB's are laughable and they totally overpaid for Woodson. Pre-season my ####...ya still gotta play with some pride. Those guys looked like they gave up.

Oh. And Palmer is the next Manning...if not even better!

 

[Miscellaneous]

We were looking to see if his knee is sound, and if he thinks his knee is sound. It is, and I think he does.

As much disdain as I have for Theismann, he did have a good point about Palmer's eyes being downfield while a defensive lineman was grabbing his knee and twisting. The guy looks pretty close to 100%, health-wise, and confidence-wise.

 

[Funky_K]

Carson gets bumped up to #3 on my list.

He's headed for a HUGE year

 

[Rushmore]

The answer is "yes."

 

[Jagerbomber]

The answer is "yes."

Both. Don't expect that Palmer will abuse other teams like he did the Packers tho. And their schedule is a bit harder than last year's. So yea, he was always top 5 in my book but temper expectations a bit.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I leaned over to my friend and asked him, "is it just me, or does Philip Rivers look like Tom Brady?"

Timestamp: August 12th, 2006, End of first half, Chargers 14 Packers 0 -- Rivers 15/21 169yrds 1TD

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

 

[reg]

and here we go...

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

Well, he threw a bad slant to Ferguson that should've been picked. Didn't he make a bad screen throw as well? Plenty of bad decisions by Favre last night. He was not himself, unless of course that really is the new Brett Favre. I'm hoping it's not, for the sake of everyone in this state.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

And, Carson Palmer is very good, and so are the Bengals. A Super Bowl contending team for sure. The talent disparity between these two teams was extremely obvious.

And Charles Woodson looks like a horrible, horrible signing. If that's his best effort, I'd rather see Ahmad Carrol start.

 

[redman]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Touchy much?

 

[reg]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Where did I take anyones side? Don't try to drag me into this. I was just pointing out that the rest of this thread is going to become a worthless bicker fest. I am not getting involved.

 

[reg]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Touchy much?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

Well, he threw a bad slant to Ferguson that should've been picked. Didn't he make a bad screen throw as well? Plenty of bad decisions by Favre last night. He was not himself, unless of course that really is the new Brett Favre. I'm hoping it's not, for the sake of everyone in this state.

So...according to you he made two bad passes and that equates to "plenty of bad decisions'?The team is terrible but Favre wasn't as bad as some of you would like to think.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Where did I take anyones side? Don't try to drag me into this. I was just pointing out that the rest of this thread is going to become a worthless bicker fest. I am not getting involved.

Is that why you bumped Grid's Favre thread?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Touchy much?

No....I just want all of you experts to tell us about all those stupid mistakes AND bad decisions Favre made last night.

 

[redman]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Touchy much?

No....I just want all of you experts to tell us about all those stupid mistakes AND bad decisions Favre made last night.

Nah, given your repeated references to them it would appear you're all too familiar with each and every last one of them, so what fun would that be?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

Well, he threw a bad slant to Ferguson that should've been picked. Didn't he make a bad screen throw as well? Plenty of bad decisions by Favre last night. He was not himself, unless of course that really is the new Brett Favre. I'm hoping it's not, for the sake of everyone in this state.

So...according to you he made two bad passes and that equates to "plenty of bad decisions'?The team is terrible but Favre wasn't as bad as some of you would like to think.

I'm a Packer fan and I love Favre, but you're seriously over the edge. No matter what you think, Favre can and does make bad decisions. He did it last night, and he'll probably do it next week, and the opening game against Chicago. This is called reality. He is not Brett Favre circa 1996. He is Brett Favre circa 2006. He is not an MVP.The O line situation makes it even worse, as Favre did not look comfortable at all. Add in some drops last night, and there's plenty of blame to go around. But let's not make excuses for Favre's bad decisions.

 

[Big Score]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Where did I take anyones side? Don't try to drag me into this. I was just pointing out that the rest of this thread is going to become a worthless bicker fest. I am not getting involved.

What makes you say / think "I was just pointing out that the rest of this thread is going to become a worthless bicker fest." reg?

 

[redman]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Where did I take anyones side? Don't try to drag me into this. I was just pointing out that the rest of this thread is going to become a worthless bicker fest. I am not getting involved.

What makes you say / think "I was just pointing out that the rest of this thread is going to become a worthless bicker fest." reg?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

and here we go...

Ok Reg...you tell us about all the bad decisions Favre made last night and all those stupid mistakes he made.

Touchy much?

No....I just want all of you experts to tell us about all those stupid mistakes AND bad decisions Favre made last night.

Nah, given your repeated references to them it would appear you're all too familiar with each and every last one of them, so what fun would that be?

 

[redman]

Fla\/\/ed,

If you were running an NFL team for this year (2006), only, and you were choosing a QB for that team, which QB would you take, Favre or Palmer?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Bratt Favre's bad decisions last night:

Brett Favre fumbled the ball after it popped out of his throwing hand with no contact involved. Bengals safety Dexter Jackson scooped up the loose ball and took it to the end zone.

---This happens to Favre often. Why?

During the Packers' latest possession, Favre's pass on first down was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Favre was sacked. On third down, Favre's pass to Green was incomplete - and it looked as if the ball was knocked away by a defender.

---Two passes tipped/batted by defenders = bad decisions.

He did settle down a bit after those plays.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

Well, he threw a bad slant to Ferguson that should've been picked. Didn't he make a bad screen throw as well? Plenty of bad decisions by Favre last night. He was not himself, unless of course that really is the new Brett Favre. I'm hoping it's not, for the sake of everyone in this state.

So...according to you he made two bad passes and that equates to "plenty of bad decisions'?The team is terrible but Favre wasn't as bad as some of you would like to think.

I'm a Packer fan and I love Favre, but you're seriously over the edge. No matter what you think, Favre can and does make bad decisions. He did it last night, and he'll probably do it next week, and the opening game against Chicago. This is called reality. He is not Brett Favre circa 1996. He is Brett Favre circa 2006. He is not an MVP.The O line situation makes it even worse, as Favre did not look comfortable at all. Add in some drops last night, and there's plenty of blame to go around. But let's not make excuses for Favre's bad decisions.

I'm not over the edge. I didn't see as many bad decisions as some of you think he made last night. Yes, Favre does and will make bad decisions. Some of you make it seem like that is all he did last night. Of course, I didn't see anyone bashing Favre after his game against Atlanta.The Packers are not a good football team and of course that will affect Favre.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Bratt Favre's bad decisions last night:Brett Favre fumbled the ball after it popped out of his throwing hand with no contact involved. Bengals safety Dexter Jackson scooped up the loose ball and took it to the end zone.---This happens to Favre often. Why? During the Packers' latest possession, Favre's pass on first down was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Favre was sacked. On third down, Favre's pass to Green was incomplete - and it looked as if the ball was knocked away by a defender. ---Two passes tipped/batted by defenders = bad decisions.He did settle down a bit after those plays.

So now tipped/batted passes=bad decisions So....you bring up his fumble and the tipped passes as his "bad decisions". Wow..no QB ever has a pass tipped during a game.Take care guys

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Fla\/\/ed,

If you were running an NFL team for this year (2006), only, and you were choosing a QB for that team, which QB would you take, Favre or Palmer?

Palmer. Find me a post where I have stated that Favre is a top 10 QB.

 

[Big Score]

Soooo...has this thread been wrecked yet?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Bratt Favre's bad decisions last night:Brett Favre fumbled the ball after it popped out of his throwing hand with no contact involved. Bengals safety Dexter Jackson scooped up the loose ball and took it to the end zone.---This happens to Favre often. Why? During the Packers' latest possession, Favre's pass on first down was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Favre was sacked. On third down, Favre's pass to Green was incomplete - and it looked as if the ball was knocked away by a defender. ---Two passes tipped/batted by defenders = bad decisions.He did settle down a bit after those plays.

So now tipped/batted passes=bad decisions So....you bring up his fumble and the tipped passes as his "bad decisions". Wow..no QB ever has a pass tipped during a game.Take care guys

If a pass is tipped and almost picked by a defensive lineman, it's a bad decision. If a pass is batted away, it's a bad decision. If he's going to run around dropping the ball without being touched, like he did last season, that's just bad play in general. Favre seems to do that fumble without getting hit thing pretty often lately.Maybe it's a symptom of a bad team. That could be. I'm not saying this is all Favre's fault. Just saying he ain't helping all that much. Six-ten years ago, this team would be better because of Favre. Now, Favre is just another part of the problem. He's just not as accurate a passer as he once was. That's plainly obvious.

 

[ImTheScientist]

They were one of the best offenses last year, he was one of the best QB's last year. All the players from last year are returning. With all players from last year returning they can only get better. If you can grab Carson in the 4th, even though its normally best to wait on QB's, IMO you will be getting this years #1 ff QB in the 4th round.....you take him and never look back.

 

[Warpig]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

Well, he threw a bad slant to Ferguson that should've been picked. Didn't he make a bad screen throw as well? Plenty of bad decisions by Favre last night. He was not himself, unless of course that really is the new Brett Favre. I'm hoping it's not, for the sake of everyone in this state.

So...according to you he made two bad passes and that equates to "plenty of bad decisions'?The team is terrible but Favre wasn't as bad as some of you would like to think.

I don't wanna get into a pissing match with any Favre owners or Man-lovers. I think Favre is one of the best things to ever happen to the game. But, did you watch ANY of the game? I'll give him the fact that his WR's and TE's can't catch and aren't helping him out (maybe he should quit trying to throw the ball THROUGH them and just try throwing it TO them!). He's out there playing around like kids in the back yard...throwing ill-advised passes. Silly over the head passes, side-arm throws, under arm throws...what is he thinking? IF he plays the whole season he will easily lead the league in interceptions. He'll get in one of his "Oh-well, we suck anyways" moods and just start chucking it up there hoping someone with the same jersey on runs underneath it.He needs to retire and not make a mockery of himself. Let us remember the Great Brett Favre, not the "trys too hard" Favre.Oh...and Palmer is gonna be MVP this year!

 

[Aaronstory]

Bratt Favre's bad decisions last night:Brett Favre fumbled the ball after it popped out of his throwing hand with no contact involved. Bengals safety Dexter Jackson scooped up the loose ball and took it to the end zone.---This happens to Favre often. Why? During the Packers' latest possession, Favre's pass on first down was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Favre was sacked. On third down, Favre's pass to Green was incomplete - and it looked as if the ball was knocked away by a defender. ---Two passes tipped/batted by defenders = bad decisions.He did settle down a bit after those plays.

Oh my God. I actually think Flawed is wrong and you are right, but this is the DUMBEST posting ever. A ball slipping out of his hand is a 'decision'???? "Hmmm... I could hold on to this ball, or I could let it go...yep, I think I'll let it go!"A tipped pass? This is a result of the WCO and the shallow crossing routes that it calls for, not bad decisions...Favre looked awful, no doubt. But learn how to make a point...

 

[redman]

Fla\/\/ed,

If you were running an NFL team for this year (2006), only, and you were choosing a QB for that team, which QB would you take, Favre or Palmer?

Palmer. Find me a post where I have stated that Favre is a top 10 QB.

Good, so at least you have one foot in reality. Good for you!

 

[Statorama]

Palmer is going to be fun to watch. I'm REALLY interested in watching the Cincy/Pitt game to see if he's over the psychological aspects, and to see if the Steelers go a little easy on him. Before all the wolves come out regarding that statement, what I mean is they go full blast on him until they get up to him and just slightly pull up. If the Steelers hesitate at all, Palmer will light them up like the Fourth of July.

 

[GoinDeep]

Well beings that I'm not a fan of either team, I can say...I really am worried about Favre.

He's had a sack of steel for many years and has brought so much to the game that it'd be a shame if he was just killed and performed so poorly (like last year) that his own worshippers get sick of him.

Hopefully he'll put up good numbers and not suffer the year I think is in store for him.

 

[kylechoffman]

Um, GB defense made Phil Rivers look great so yes its GB Defense - they are awful.

Some showed concerns of the shutdown of CJ, but IMO last's nights focus wasnt about CJ, it was about Palmer moving the ball..

 

[Pedro Cerrano Fan]

Hey everybody - what record do you think is most likely to be broken by Favre this year?

I'm thinking it's the career INT record. That's stood for a LOOOOONG time too. Doesn't George Blanda own it right now?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Bratt Favre's bad decisions last night:Brett Favre fumbled the ball after it popped out of his throwing hand with no contact involved. Bengals safety Dexter Jackson scooped up the loose ball and took it to the end zone.---This happens to Favre often. Why? During the Packers' latest possession, Favre's pass on first down was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Favre was sacked. On third down, Favre's pass to Green was incomplete - and it looked as if the ball was knocked away by a defender. ---Two passes tipped/batted by defenders = bad decisions.He did settle down a bit after those plays.

Oh my God. I actually think Flawed is wrong and you are right, but this is the DUMBEST posting ever. A ball slipping out of his hand is a 'decision'???? "Hmmm... I could hold on to this ball, or I could let it go...yep, I think I'll let it go!"A tipped pass? This is a result of the WCO and the shallow crossing routes that it calls for, not bad decisions...Favre looked awful, no doubt. But learn how to make a point...

Fine, then he's just bad. He didn't choose to fumble, but he's surely choosing how secure he wants to be with the ball. His choices on that front aren't good, as he's fumbled just like that on many occassions. If you choose to be careless, you will fumble. That's a decision. The pass that was picked off was bad too. Does that make it all better for you? Are we really going to nicpick about Favre making bad decision and Favre just playing like horse####? Are all of the Packer faithful now going to admit that he just isn't very good anymore?I'll say this. Maybe it's not bad decisions as much as the guy's accuracy just ain't what it once was. I'm not the only one noticing either:"There have been times in camp, where I've wondered about Favre's accuracy." "He wasn't very accurate""On the interception, the ball skipped off Driver's hands. It might have been catchable, but it also was a high throw. "--Cliff ChristlAnd how many times have we seen Favre drop the ball without getting hit lately? I'm not the only one noticing that either. It seems to happen more often than other QBs. I'd be curious if anyone has an opinion on why that is, because I can't figure it out.And let me repeat this: I'm a Packer fan and I love Favre, but you're seriously over the edge. No matter what you think, Favre can and does make bad decisions. He did it last night, and he'll probably do it next week, and the opening game against Chicago. This is called reality. He is not Brett Favre circa 1996. He is Brett Favre circa 2006. He is not an MVP.

 

[redman]

Fla\/\/ed,

If you were running an NFL team for this year (2006), only, and you were choosing a QB for that team, which QB would you take, Favre or Palmer?

Palmer. Find me a post where I have stated that Favre is a top 10 QB.

Favre-

3,750 yards, 26 TDs, 18 INTs, 60% completion percentage

Good enough for around 4th last year (see Eli Manning's numbers).

 

[ookook]

I thought Favre looked okay overall. He got some bad breaks early (e.g., tipped balls by his own WRs, drops) and the fumble which seemed like a fluke.

But I did not think he made many bad decisions at all. I have seen MANY of his bad decisions, trying to force ball into silly places or throw 40 yards to a TE when it is 3rd and 2. I thought his decision-making looked fine. He was a little rattled early and settled down.

What I thought was most noteworthy was the Packers total inability to tackle. If the DEF is this bad, it will make Favre lots worse in the second half of games.

Oh, and Palmer looked a good as I expected/remembered.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I thought Favre looked okay overall. He got some bad breaks early (e.g., tipped balls by his own WRs, drops) and the fumble which seemed like a fluke.

That's the thing, it's not a fluke. It happens more than it should, and sure looks like he's just being careless with the football. I don't know, not protecting the ball sure feels like a bad decision to me.

 

[mightyeskimo]

That GB O-line was horrid. Favre has gone over the edge...stupid mistakes and careless decisions. The line is gonna get him killed.

His early fumble was a mistake but I wouldn't call it stupid. It was very hot and humid last night. Please tell us about all the careless decisions he made last night?

Well, he threw a bad slant to Ferguson that should've been picked. Didn't he make a bad screen throw as well? Plenty of bad decisions by Favre last night. He was not himself, unless of course that really is the new Brett Favre. I'm hoping it's not, for the sake of everyone in this state.

So...according to you he made two bad passes and that equates to "plenty of bad decisions'?The team is terrible but Favre wasn't as bad as some of you would like to think.

I'm a Packer fan and I love Favre, but you're seriously over the edge. No matter what you think, Favre can and does make bad decisions. He did it last night, and he'll probably do it next week, and the opening game against Chicago. This is called reality. He is not Brett Favre circa 1996. He is Brett Favre circa 2006. He is not an MVP.The O line situation makes it even worse, as Favre did not look comfortable at all. Add in some drops last night, and there's plenty of blame to go around. But let's not make excuses for Favre's bad decisions.

This is a great point! Favre is going to look like Joey Harrington vs the Bears last year after that game. It's not going to be pretty.

 

[Aaronstory]

Bratt Favre's bad decisions last night:Brett Favre fumbled the ball after it popped out of his throwing hand with no contact involved. Bengals safety Dexter Jackson scooped up the loose ball and took it to the end zone.---This happens to Favre often. Why? During the Packers' latest possession, Favre's pass on first down was tipped and nearly intercepted. On second down, Favre was sacked. On third down, Favre's pass to Green was incomplete - and it looked as if the ball was knocked away by a defender. ---Two passes tipped/batted by defenders = bad decisions.He did settle down a bit after those plays.

Oh my God. I actually think Flawed is wrong and you are right, but this is the DUMBEST posting ever. A ball slipping out of his hand is a 'decision'???? "Hmmm... I could hold on to this ball, or I could let it go...yep, I think I'll let it go!"A tipped pass? This is a result of the WCO and the shallow crossing routes that it calls for, not bad decisions...Favre looked awful, no doubt. But learn how to make a point...

Fine, then he's just bad. He didn't choose to fumble, but he's surely choosing how secure he wants to be with the ball. His choices on that front aren't good, as he's fumbled just like that on many occassions. If you choose to be careless, you will fumble. That's a decision. The pass that was picked off was bad too. Does that make it all better for you? Are we really going to nicpick about Favre making bad decision and Favre just playing like horse####? Are all of the Packer faithful now going to admit that he just isn't very good anymore?I'll say this. Maybe it's not bad decisions as much as the guy's accuracy just ain't what it once was. I'm not the only one noticing either:"There have been times in camp, where I've wondered about Favre's accuracy." "He wasn't very accurate""On the interception, the ball skipped off Driver's hands. It might have been catchable, but it also was a high throw. "--Cliff ChristlAnd how many times have we seen Favre drop the ball without getting hit lately? I'm not the only one noticing that either. It seems to happen more often than other QBs. I'd be curious if anyone has an opinion on why that is, because I can't figure it out.And let me repeat this: I'm a Packer fan and I love Favre, but you're seriously over the edge. No matter what you think, Favre can and does make bad decisions. He did it last night, and he'll probably do it next week, and the opening game against Chicago. This is called reality. He is not Brett Favre circa 1996. He is Brett Favre circa 2006. He is not an MVP.

As I said, I'm in your corner on this. But calling a ball that slips from the mans hands a 'bad decision' is foolish.And yes, Favre looks horrible, I am far from an apologist.