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Is Carson Palmer Really That Bad Now? (1 Viewer)

John Mamula

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So in looking at the weekly rankings, I am surprised how low Palmer is rated. Maybe it is me thinking back to his earlier years of being a top fantasy QB, but to see him rated in the bottom third of all QBs this week against a relatively easy matchup in GB has me scratching my head.

What am I missing?

 
He didn't play much of last year, then injured his ankle and had to sit out the preseason. He actually looked pretty good last game. The Bengals WRs looked bad...they dropped 8 passes IIRC. They will have to throw to keep up with GB...I think he's a top 10 QB this week. Just take some time to get comfortable since he hasn't played full speed in so long.

But, GB defense is no slouch.

 
you gotta give palmer a Mulligan for last week. he was still shaking the rust off. he hasnt started in almost a year, and from what I understand, it showed. While his numbers were okay, he wouldnt do this against a good defense.

the good news is he will have had another full week working with the offense, and I'd expect him to look a lot better this week. The bad news is the defense will be better than last game. I think the two will cancel each other out and you're probably looking at 250- 260 yards and 2 TD's.

 
The OL is weak and penalty-prone, leading to a poor running game and a lot of hits on Carson.

Denver's safeties played way deep and dared Cincy to throw short, then Coles and others obliged by dropping everything in sight.

Carson is now 7-14 in his last 21 starts. If they can't generate more than 7 points against Denver in Cincy, why expect much in GB?

 
With the way their Oline is having trouble finding Palmer time... and the way the Packers are looking to pressure the QB, Palmer might be lucky to finish the game upright.

 
I don't think Palmer is that bad now but his offensive line sure is. It's a very, very bad o-line. How good do you really expect him to be when he has no time to throw?

 
Can one hit completely change the destiny of a player?
Of course. But I don't think Palmer has taken that hit. As has been stated repeatedly his biggest problem is his O-Line.Cincy pretty much drove the ball at will v Denver but, as is typical the Bengals, miscues (by the WRs and O-line & long snapper) killed every drive.I am not convinced yet that GB is a dominant defense and they are certainly not a "must avoid" defense like Pitt and Balt were last season.
 
Can one hit completely change the destiny of a player?
Of course. But I don't think Palmer has taken that hit. As has been stated repeatedly his biggest problem is his O-Line.Cincy pretty much drove the ball at will v Denver but, as is typical the Bengals, miscues (by the WRs and O-line & long snapper) killed every drive.

I am not convinced yet that GB is a dominant defense and they are certainly not a "must avoid" defense like Pitt and Balt were last season.
Palmer has never been the same. Until he gets his head back, it will all remain the same. Is he mentally strong enough to overcome it? So far, no. Not enough fire in him.

Instead, he and his backers (like you) will always use his team as his crutch.

 
Well he can't scramble. The oline cant give him time to sit in there and step into throws. He doesnt look as tentative as I thought he did last year (pre-elbow), but I firmly believe he still has issues with people around his knees. He could still be good I think if he ends up getting a decent line, but without it he is an avg QB, sadly.

 
Can one hit completely change the destiny of a player?
Of course. But I don't think Palmer has taken that hit. As has been stated repeatedly his biggest problem is his O-Line.Cincy pretty much drove the ball at will v Denver but, as is typical the Bengals, miscues (by the WRs and O-line & long snapper) killed every drive.

I am not convinced yet that GB is a dominant defense and they are certainly not a "must avoid" defense like Pitt and Balt were last season.
Palmer has never been the same. Until he gets his head back, it will all remain the same. Is he mentally strong enough to overcome it? So far, no. Not enough fire in him.

Instead, he and his backers (like you) will always use his team as his crutch.
Never been the same since what? The knee injury? The injury occurred in Jan of 2006 (IIRC) in the 2006 season he threw for 4000+ yards and 28 TDs (62%+ completions). In 2007 he completed 65% of his passes for a career high 4100+ yards and 26 TDs. What more do you expect from the guy?So apparently his non backers (like you) will say he is finished when clearly that may not be the case.

Sir, I believe we have reached an impasse.

 
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Can one hit completely change the destiny of a player?
Of course. But I don't think Palmer has taken that hit. As has been stated repeatedly his biggest problem is his O-Line.Cincy pretty much drove the ball at will v Denver but, as is typical the Bengals, miscues (by the WRs and O-line & long snapper) killed every drive.

I am not convinced yet that GB is a dominant defense and they are certainly not a "must avoid" defense like Pitt and Balt were last season.
Palmer has never been the same. Until he gets his head back, it will all remain the same. Is he mentally strong enough to overcome it? So far, no. Not enough fire in him.

Instead, he and his backers (like you) will always use his team as his crutch.
He threw for 4k yards in both seasons following his knee operation. He threw for 4k 0 times prior to that.
 
It's his elbow and his mind compadres, not the 0line. Cedric ran behind that line.
So it's the elbow that you are concerned he has not recovered from either physically or mentally. And you have determined he is not back from those physical and mental injuries after one game where he completed 64% of his passes for 250 yards and a 7.5 YPA?That is some serious prognosticating you got going there KooK.
 
Guy's don't get your feathers in a panty bunch just cuz you don't know what your're talking about. It's okay.

 
palmer would have thrown for 300+ last weekend if coles could catch. Palmer looked fine imo.
Exactly what happened. Palmer played fine, the WRs (Coles, in particular) looked terrible.
Yup... I think at one point the commentators said he could have been something like 19/21 if his receivers could catch. Missed a TD by 2 inches, and one INT was a hail mary, two 15+ yard pass plays called back. I can really only remember 3 bad throws off the top of my head. Palmer looks fine.
 
palmer would have thrown for 300+ last weekend if coles could catch. Palmer looked fine imo.
Exactly what happened. Palmer played fine, the WRs (Coles, in particular) looked terrible.
Yup... I think at one point the commentators said he could have been something like 19/21 if his receivers could catch. Missed a TD by 2 inches, and one INT was a hail mary, two 15+ yard pass plays called back. I can really only remember 3 bad throws off the top of my head. Palmer looks fine.
mechanics wise palmer is one of the best in the game... he just needs some WRs that can catch the damn ball... if you have a better option i would sit him against green bay... their defense was nasty against the bears...
 
This guy threw for 4000 yds in like 3 consecutive seasons IIRC. He's a top notch QB with a solid WR crew. One game does not make a season. He will be fine.

 
This guy threw for 4000 yds in like 3 consecutive seasons IIRC. He's a top notch QB with a solid WR crew. One game does not make a season. He will be fine.
I don't know what "IIRC" means, but he's worried about that knee when he gets some heat. I can see it, can you?
 
Can one hit completely change the destiny of a player?
Maybe his destiny, but I don't think Palmer is damaged goods. It's a bad situation for many reasons but he still looks like a pretty good QB to me, just a bit rusty.
 
lol at the "Palmer Boyz".
Come on KooK you can add something more substantive than that...or have you lost your mental edge?
lol at Escondido.
Very insightful.I was honestly hoping that you could come up with even one argument in support of your premise in this thread but clearly you are scraping the bottom of the barrel and just resorting to insults, the last refuge of the intellectually defeated.Thanks for the :confused: trip, it helps me keep my mental edge.
 
This guy threw for 4000 yds in like 3 consecutive seasons IIRC. He's a top notch QB with a solid WR crew. One game does not make a season. He will be fine.
I don't know what "IIRC" means, but he's worried about that knee when he gets some heat. I can see it, can you?
I didn't watch the entire game, so I can't comment on that. The throws i watched him make seemed like they were on target, especially for not seeing any game action in like 53 quarters.IIRC= if I recall correctly
 
Well it's Palmer in a game where he will have to throw a lot vs Garrard in a similar situation with less to work with.

I'm going Palmer, I think.

 
Green Bays D will be able to collapse the pocket and force Palmer to shift and move to get comfortable which is just not something he does well. The corners and secondary should be able to stick with the receivers enough to cause even more problems. I can see cincy scoring and moving the ball but it will be a struggle for them this weekend.

 
Green Bays D will be able to collapse the pocket and force Palmer to shift and move to get comfortable which is just not something he does well. The corners and secondary should be able to stick with the receivers enough to cause even more problems. I can see cincy scoring and moving the ball but it will be a struggle for them this weekend.
I was hoping GB would get up big and they would have to throw alot. GB offense will be better correct?
 
Green Bays D will be able to collapse the pocket and force Palmer to shift and move to get comfortable which is just not something he does well. The corners and secondary should be able to stick with the receivers enough to cause even more problems. I can see cincy scoring and moving the ball but it will be a struggle for them this weekend.
I was hoping GB would get up big and they would have to throw alot. GB offense will be better correct?
Cincy has a good defense. I wouldn't assume GB has their way with them after watching them against Chicago.
 
Green Bays D will be able to collapse the pocket and force Palmer to shift and move to get comfortable which is just not something he does well. The corners and secondary should be able to stick with the receivers enough to cause even more problems. I can see cincy scoring and moving the ball but it will be a struggle for them this weekend.
I was hoping GB would get up big and they would have to throw alot. GB offense will be better correct?
well if they exploit the great weakness at right tackle then they could slow the offense. Barbre is really really bad.
 
lol at the "Palmer Boyz".
Come on KooK you can add something more substantive than that...or have you lost your mental edge?
lol at Escondido.
Very insightful.I was honestly hoping that you could come up with even one argument in support of your premise in this thread but clearly you are scraping the bottom of the barrel and just resorting to insults, the last refuge of the intellectually defeated.Thanks for the :banned: trip, it helps me keep my mental edge.
:hophead:
 
This guy threw for 4000 yds in like 3 consecutive seasons IIRC. He's a top notch QB with a solid WR crew. One game does not make a season. He will be fine.
I don't know what "IIRC" means, but he's worried about that knee when he gets some heat. I can see it, can you?
What part of "his big years were after his knee injury" don't you understand?
 

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