Is Carson Palmer Really That Bad Now? (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

Too many injuries, hes got Terrell Davis syndrome

He has a degenerative knee?Seriously, your posts are borderline spam.

Borderline? They are flat out spam. And useless.

Why is it spam? Lots of posters have links to personal blogs in their sigs.His posts may be almost as uninformed as KooK's and they are a strong argument against reading his blog but I do not consider them spam.

 

[SportsMumboJumbo]

Do you really expect Palmer to be great this year, losing a 90+ catch WR in tj houshmandzadeh is huge. Obviously it doesnt just give you another WR on the other end of Chad ochocinco, it takes away the double coverage that ocho faces.

 

[Chaka]

This guy threw for 4000 yds in like 3 consecutive seasons IIRC. He's a top notch QB with a solid WR crew. One game does not make a season. He will be fine.

I don't know what "IIRC" means, but he's worried about that knee when he gets some heat. I can see it, can you?

What part of "his big years were after his knee injury" don't you understand?

Be fair Jed, he's trying but five of the eight words in that sentence have more than three letters.

 

[thatguy]

palmer would have thrown for 300+ last weekend if coles could catch. Palmer looked fine imo.

Exactly what happened. Palmer played fine, the WRs (Coles, in particular) looked terrible.

Physically the passes looked good but clearly they lacked a mental edge. How can you expect receivers to catch poor mental balls?

 

[Buffaloes]

Do you really expect Palmer to be great this year, losing a 90+ catch WR in tj houshmandzadeh is huge. Obviously it doesnt just give you another WR on the other end of Chad ochocinco, it takes away the double coverage that ocho faces.

Getting Henry back and having Coles around should offset that loss.Do you really think there is any connection between the demise of Terrell Davis' career and Carson Palmer's current situation?

 

[John Mamula]

palmer would have thrown for 300+ last weekend if coles could catch. Palmer looked fine imo.

Exactly what happened. Palmer played fine, the WRs (Coles, in particular) looked terrible.

So do you think Palmer is too low then?If he played well as many are saying, why the low rating?

 

[Chaka]

Do you really expect Palmer to be great this year, losing a 90+ catch WR in tj houshmandzadeh is huge. Obviously it doesnt just give you another WR on the other end of Chad ochocinco, it takes away the double coverage that ocho faces.

I don't think the loss of Housh kills Palmer's value at all. Coles is the same age as Housh, averages 77 catches/year over the last eight years (with a better YPC than Housh). Henry finally seems to have his head on straight and Caldwell has been a big surprise. Ocho had one bad year with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB (shocker) but averaged more yardage over the previous three seasons than any WR in the league.I don't expect him to put up pinball type numbers (mostly because of the line) but 3500-3800 yards is not out of the question with 24-28 TDs. Even on the low end those numbers are very nice for a QB with Palmer's ADP. And Palmer's upside is as big as any QB in the game (except perhaps Brees).

 

[SportsMumboJumbo]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

 

[Chaka]

palmer would have thrown for 300+ last weekend if coles could catch. Palmer looked fine imo.

Exactly what happened. Palmer played fine, the WRs (Coles, in particular) looked terrible.

So do you think Palmer is too low then?If he played well as many are saying, why the low rating?

Because the guy that makes that list for FBGs is down on Palmer this week.

 

[John Mamula]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up

Link?

 

[Buffaloes]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

Wow

 

[thatguy]

Too many injuries, hes got Terrell Davis syndrome

He has a degenerative knee?Seriously, your posts are borderline spam.

borderline?I'd like to see how Palmer fares once Andre Smith gets back (remember, he has a broken foot). This o-line was already a poor one...I'm going to go search the Pool and see if I can find the o-line rankings that MoP did in the offseason.

Andre Smith is gigantic... And not in a good way, the guy is downright obese. It's no wonder he broke his foot but I'm wondering how long will it take for him to get into football shape once his foot heals? I can't imagine good things happening with a 390 pound man as one of the bookends of the offensive line.

 

[Chaka]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

 

[SportsMumboJumbo]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

Once you get an injury it is possible that it is in your head when you are playing. As a result of this you may play differenlty and less effective and become more prone to injury.And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee? Maybe, maybe not, but injuries definitly do get in their heads and make them play different

 

[Knobs]

Too many injuries, hes got Terrell Davis syndrome

He has a degenerative knee?Seriously, your posts are borderline spam.

borderline?I'd like to see how Palmer fares once Andre Smith gets back (remember, he has a broken foot). This o-line was already a poor one...I'm going to go search the Pool and see if I can find the o-line rankings that MoP did in the offseason.

Andre Smith is gigantic... And not in a good way, the guy is downright obese. It's no wonder he broke his foot but I'm wondering how long will it take for him to get into football shape once his foot heals? I can't imagine good things happening with a 390 pound man as one of the bookends of the offensive line.

I forget the poster that said seeing him run shirtless looked like two tubesocks stuffed with oatmeal flopping about. That said, he was a big pile of goo in college yet that didn't stop him from absolutely dominating the competition. If he had physically looked the part I have no doubt he would have been drafted higher.

While he bench press numbers were pathetic (iirc a couple kickers outperformed him), he was still a top 10 draft pick. And measurables alone do not make someone good. Also, being massive, even if it's a lot of fat, isn't always a bad thing. Vernon Davis can compare to some tackles in the league when it comes to bench pressing, AND he is an excellent blocker. Does this mean he would make a good RT?

 

[Knobs]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

Once you get an injury it is possible that it is in your head when you are playing. As a result of this you may play differenlty and less effective and become more prone to injury.And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee? Maybe, maybe not, but injuries definitly do get in their heads and make them play different

What about the people who already pointed out Palmer came back from his injury to post the BEST YEAR OF HIS CAREER?

 

[John Mamula]

And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee?

 

[Knobs]

Also, do injuries in college count? Because Frank Gore was a walking knee injury in college but he had an amazing season in 2006 and has missed 3 games in 3 years since turning pro.

What about Fred Taylor? After the start of his career did all those injuries get in his head? Did they cause him to play less effectively? Did he become MORE injury prone as his career went on?

 

[Chaka]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?

Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.

Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

Once you get an injury it is possible that it is in your head when you are playing. As a result of this you may play differenlty and less effective and become more prone to injury.And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee? Maybe, maybe not, but injuries definitly do get in their heads and make them play different

You honestly believe this?Sure it can happen but where is the evidence that this HAS happened with Palmer or Brady? What has happened to Palmer this year to make you think his arm injury has changed his style of play? How did Brady's knee affect Albert Haynesworth pile driving him into the ground?

You're the sports blogger so give us some meaningful analysis for why you suspect this to be the case with Palmer (no I haven't read your blog and I likely won't if this is the type of analysis I can expect).

 

[thatguy]

Too many injuries, hes got Terrell Davis syndrome

He has a degenerative knee?Seriously, your posts are borderline spam.

borderline?I'd like to see how Palmer fares once Andre Smith gets back (remember, he has a broken foot). This o-line was already a poor one...I'm going to go search the Pool and see if I can find the o-line rankings that MoP did in the offseason.

Andre Smith is gigantic... And not in a good way, the guy is downright obese. It's no wonder he broke his foot but I'm wondering how long will it take for him to get into football shape once his foot heals? I can't imagine good things happening with a 390 pound man as one of the bookends of the offensive line.

I forget the poster that said seeing him run shirtless looked like two tubesocks stuffed with oatmeal flopping about. That said, he was a big pile of goo in college yet that didn't stop him from absolutely dominating the competition. If he had physically looked the part I have no doubt he would have been drafted higher.

While he bench press numbers were pathetic (iirc a couple kickers outperformed him), he was still a top 10 draft pick. And measurables alone do not make someone good. Also, being massive, even if it's a lot of fat, isn't always a bad thing. Vernon Davis can compare to some tackles in the league when it comes to bench pressing, AND he is an excellent blocker. Does this mean he would make a good RT?

Yeah, I suppose it's possible that's just his natural football build, but I think I heard some rumblings that the Bengals were concerned about his weight. I just can't imagine a guy that fat being able to handle the elite speed rushers.

 

[Chaka]

Yeah, I suppose it's possible that's just his natural football build, but I think I heard some rumblings that the Bengals were concerned about his weight. I just can't imagine a guy that fat being able to handle the elite speed rushers.

The first thing Mike Brown said to him after he signed was something to the effect of "Okay you got your payday now get your ### in the gym tubby."

 

[Knobs]

I understand where you're coming from - I'm also skeptical a man that...squishy...can be a great, or even good, tackle. But the way he absolutely crushed his peers in college makes me think he has a lot more talent than his physique would indicate.

I was hoping like Hell he would fall to SF.

 

[SportsMumboJumbo]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?

Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.

Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

Once you get an injury it is possible that it is in your head when you are playing. As a result of this you may play differenlty and less effective and become more prone to injury.And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee? Maybe, maybe not, but injuries definitly do get in their heads and make them play different

You honestly believe this?Sure it can happen but where is the evidence that this HAS happened with Palmer or Brady? What has happened to Palmer this year to make you think his arm injury has changed his style of play? How did Brady's knee affect Albert Haynesworth pile driving him into the ground?

You're the sports blogger so give us some meaningful analysis for why you suspect this to be the case with Palmer (no I haven't read your blog and I likely won't if this is the type of analysis I can expect).

It has been suggested that Brady suffered that injury against Haynesworth because he did not steup in the pocket like he had the chance to, which he did pretty much effortlessly before the knee injury. Is it true, I obviously have no idea, its just a possibility.

 

[Buffaloes]

It has been suggested that Brady suffered that injury against Haynesworth because he did not steup in the pocket like he had the chance to, which he did pretty much effortlessly before the knee injury. Is it true, I obviously have no idea, its just a possibility.

What's different with Palmer's situation that led you to make this definitive statement?

Too many injuries, hes got Terrell Davis syndrome

 

[Chaka]

It has been suggested that Brady suffered that injury against Haynesworth because he did not steup in the pocket like he had the chance to, which he did pretty much effortlessly before the knee injury. Is it true, I obviously have no idea, its just a possibility.

What's different with Palmer's situation that led you to make this definitive statement?

Too many injuries, hes got Terrell Davis syndrome

I don't think there could be a worse comparison. TD was physically incapable of playing, it had absolutely nothing to do with desire, heart or anything remotely related to anything other then the fact that he was physically incapable of playing.

 

[Chaka]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?

Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.

Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

Once you get an injury it is possible that it is in your head when you are playing. As a result of this you may play differenlty and less effective and become more prone to injury.And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee? Maybe, maybe not, but injuries definitly do get in their heads and make them play different

You honestly believe this?Sure it can happen but where is the evidence that this HAS happened with Palmer or Brady? What has happened to Palmer this year to make you think his arm injury has changed his style of play? How did Brady's knee affect Albert Haynesworth pile driving him into the ground?

You're the sports blogger so give us some meaningful analysis for why you suspect this to be the case with Palmer (no I haven't read your blog and I likely won't if this is the type of analysis I can expect).

It has been suggested that Brady suffered that injury against Haynesworth because he did not steup in the pocket like he had the chance to, which he did pretty much effortlessly before the knee injury. Is it true, I obviously have no idea, its just a possibility.

"It has been suggested..."Really? That is your entire premise?

Okay, we're done here.

 

[Buzzbait]

I don't think Palmer is that bad now but his offensive line sure is. It's a very, very bad o-line. How good do you really expect him to be when he has no time to throw?

Bingo. Palmer is fine and so is OchoCinco. The three issues last week were the OL, Coles (FOUR dropped passes) & Brat's play calling (the guy is way to predictable).Palmer isn't the issue. In any case GB on the road looks like a tough matchup unless Cincy gets down early. If so Palmer might put up nice numbers playing catchup.

 

[twr]

I don't think Palmer is that bad now but his offensive line sure is. It's a very, very bad o-line. How good do you really expect him to be when he has no time to throw?

Bingo. Palmer is fine and so is OchoCinco. The three issues last week were the OL, Coles (FOUR dropped passes) & Brat's play calling (the guy is way to predictable).Palmer isn't the issue. In any case GB on the road looks like a tough matchup unless Cincy gets down early. If so Palmer might put up nice numbers playing catchup.

or he could throw a serious number of INTS like cutler....

 

[Bayhawks]

My point is that once you get one injury the injuries start to pile up, which is exactly what happened to TD and now Palmer

I know KooK has no relevant arguments to contribute to this thread but you I am still trying to figure out.Is Tom Brady going to suffer from injuries piling up? Should we downgrade him?

Palmer had two completely unrelated injuries. The knee injury was back in Jan 2006 and he put up two incredible seasons afterwords so that is a complete non-factor. Now if you tell me that you think the elbow might not hold up for 16 games, I would concede that point because it might not. But so far that is clearly not the case.

Give us something more then baseless conjecture.

Once you get an injury it is possible that it is in your head when you are playing. As a result of this you may play differenlty and less effective and become more prone to injury.And Tom Brady did suffer an injury in the offseason to his shoulder, was this a result of his knee? Maybe, maybe not, but injuries definitly do get in their heads and make them play different

You honestly believe this?Sure it can happen but where is the evidence that this HAS happened with Palmer or Brady? What has happened to Palmer this year to make you think his arm injury has changed his style of play? How did Brady's knee affect Albert Haynesworth pile driving him into the ground?

You're the sports blogger so give us some meaningful analysis for why you suspect this to be the case with Palmer (no I haven't read your blog and I likely won't if this is the type of analysis I can expect).

It has been suggested that Brady suffered that injury against Haynesworth because he did not steup in the pocket like he had the chance to, which he did pretty much effortlessly before the knee injury. Is it true, I obviously have no idea, its just a possibility.

So wait.....You believe that Palmer is no longer a great QB because he had a knee injury over 4 years ago. Since that injury, he posted two years with 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs, but he suffered an injury to his elbow 3 years after the knee injury, and you believe that this is because the knee injury (two years later) "got into his head" and made him change his style of play? And you think that Brady's knee injury last year made him more susceptible to getting pancaked into the ground under Albert Haynesworth?

And despite all of this, your sportsblog calls for Chris Henry to be a sleeper WR in 2009, and the Patriots to be the sleeper team to beat in 2009?

I don't get it.

 

[Caesar]

And one of Palmer's INT's was on a Hail Mary.

I think the other INT was on a tip that I thought the reciever could have caught. It was a little high, and it is hard to tell on a streamed game. Someone tell me if I am way off on that one. Either way, I thought Palmer looked fine. I hope Coles just puts that game behind him. I know he is better than that.

 

[Buffaloes]

And one of Palmer's INT's was on a Hail Mary.

I think the other INT was on a tip that I thought the reciever could have caught. It was a little high, and it is hard to tell on a streamed game. Someone tell me if I am way off on that one. Either way, I thought Palmer looked fine. I hope Coles just puts that game behind him. I know he is better than that.

Champ Bailey cut in front of Chad Johnson on a quick slant and tipped it straight into the air where Wesley Woodyard was able to outjump a few players for the INT. Maybe not the best throw Palmer could have made, but it certainly wasn't an egregious error either.

 

[The_Underachiever]

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[Cookiemonster]

I'm dumber now. This thread is too much.

Back to the topic... I like Palmer to put up good yardage, a score or two, get sacked a few times and throw a couple/few INTs. If your league penalizes for INT's I don't like him. If picks don't hurt your score, he's a good play.

It is not a way to be dumb and say stuff and the like so I just know and you have to get it.

*Two people in this thread will be able to make sense out of the previous sentence.* All words of 4 letters or less. I don't think I'll be back in this pool anytime soon.

 

[gonzobill5]

I'm dumber now. This thread is too much.

Back to the topic... I like Palmer to put up good yardage, a score or two, get sacked a few times and throw a couple/few INTs. If your league penalizes for INT's I don't like him. If picks don't hurt your score, he's a good play.

It is not a way to be dumb and say stuff and the like so I just know and you have to get it.

*Two people in this thread will be able to make sense out of the previous sentence.* All words of 4 letters or less. I don't think I'll be back in this pool anytime soon.

stuff has 5 letters.Palmer will be fine, play him against weaker pass rushes or poor secondaries. GB is neither of those, so its the bench for him this week.

 

[Verbal Kint]

The pessimist in me says he's lost his mojo. It started with the knee, and the Oline has gotten progressively worse. He lost his confidence in the pocket and lost the swagger. He's afraid to air it out deep and take his chances.

That said, he seemed to find "it" on the last drive against the Broncos.

 

[Chaka]

The pessimist in me says he's lost his mojo. It started with the knee, and the Oline has gotten progressively worse. He lost his confidence in the pocket and lost the swagger. He's afraid to air it out deep and take his chances.

That said, he seemed to find "it" on the last drive against the Broncos.

Once again I ask for any shred of evidence to support the notion that he has lost mojo or confidence or anything even remotely relating to the mental aspects of the game. Two of his best seasons came after the knee injury, including the season that started 9 months after the injury.The o-line is bad. That I accept.

The elbow may not hold up. That I accept

He has lost his mental edge. This I cannot accept in light of the fact that all the evidence proves this is not the case.

Are KooK, SportsMumboJumbo and Verbal Kint just three aliases spewing the same misinformation over and over or is one of you going to actually provide some evidence to support your, up to this point, indefensible position that Palmer has become gun shy? Any evidence, even one single shred of an iota of evidence would be much appreciated.

 

[Spin]

I understand where you're coming from - I'm also skeptical a man that...squishy...can be a great, or even good, tackle. But the way he absolutely crushed his peers in college makes me think he has a lot more talent than his physique would indicate.I was hoping like Hell he would fall to SF.

 

[John Mamula]

Palmer looking solid today as expected.

 

[Chaka]

Palmer looking solid today as expected.

Agreed. Palmer's mental balls were very solid today.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Agreed. The line held up well too.

 

[valhallan]

That pick 6 looked like a rookie pass, but overall he appears to be back to his top-10 form.

:relieveddynastyowner:

 

[Northbound Train]

:relieveddynastyowner:

WORD But I did sit him in 2 leagues for Garrard cause of the FBGs man love for Garrard....if not for some garbage time points I'd have been real